Changes in Chinuch from 1965-2023 - Emphasize learning & wanting to more Torah - Rabbi Chaim Dalfin

foreign [Music] dolphin I'm interviewing him about his experiences which uh only he has so many years so Robert house tell me what have you seen in the homes and in the yeshivas and the changes in hinook over when you began in 1965 and today in 2023 uh there is a lot to say about that the difference as far as the um relationship and the Yeshiva between the rebbies and the children in those days the uh the rebbe was like the uh the authority complete Authority and you when you came to Yeshiva you fell in place you know you just uh um the place means that you had to go along with the authority of the school there was no question so you liked it or not right you didn't there was no uh you could be uh set you know you gotta you got a punishment or can also so but it's like you know what we said before that the the the the the the catharity was basically punishments if you did not fall in line if you did not uh go along with it um and uh what happened and and therefore every every child felt that you know you just have to do what you're supposed to do and there was no matter of uh you know maybe you like the rep you dislike the rabbi or you dislike the principle you felt you know whatever it was uh uh but you felt you were just a person there that uh um figured there that was following rules of the school and you have to do it that was years ago that was the way I was in school there was no question about you know uh I I don't like it this way I don't like it that way or so nobody even listened to you if you said you do like it or don't like it this is the school and this is the way you have to do it and it's the way we tell you to do it and so forth so even when I started teaching that was also the same the same um excuse me the Outlook of the children that's what they you know you just follow whatever so they expect it yeah that's what you and you know if you broke the rules you paid for it as time is going on um kids were voicing their feelings about what they think is right and what they think is wrong whether it was a change of the outside world whether it was a change of uh of uh kids getting more freedom I don't know exactly what it what it was or what parents are speaking up or taking the part defending the children I don't know exactly what is the cause of it but the fact is that the kids felt that they had a bigger say in the running of a school running of the The Authority how it should be so forth and so on I can even mention that very quickly that we had a Geo in the Yeshiva for the kids they they had the organization they gave us like once they gave us the different things the sports discounts we had cards and you belong to this group and we had twice a year we had a big party or so I just want to make it fast over here um and uh and we had a court system the Geo made like if you they caught that they had monitors you had the badges a blue badge or a red badge and whatever that means you're a higher in line over there and if they caught you and they themselves made the rules in the school and if they caught you throwing a piece of paper on the floor you were reported you were given the summons and the summons Westford had a court the Geo had a court the boys themselves had a court and they would decide what to do it was becoming more and more that the kids are going to be the ones that are going to give make the decisions what how the discipline should be made and that's been a change that was the beginning that was a change because that was the way the world was going the whole outside was going that way right and to the point where the parents got their children got a bigger say in the discipline of the school the authority of the school the parents started taking a big apartment and now you're the child the rebbe was responsible to to the parents or to the uh uh the committee or whatever it was more so and it happened in all the schools I mean rebby told me that he was uh he was uh one one kid there was one kid in his class his father was part of the committee and unfortunately he lost his job and I'm not going to mention which famous Yeshiva or whatever it was he said face I know who it was I know the kid and so on and so on because the parents became much more involved in the school years ago it wasn't like that I mean was the uh the manal of the school that he was the boss and he said what it is and you don't like it Go Go doesn't say but it changed the whole thing changed so there's definitely a big difference as far as that goes and does it does so how do you um the pressure you have to adjust you have to adjust you have to find that where you have to explain to the parents and explain to the children and maybe change your ways your style of teaching also to that point where you have to satisfy the parents and the children and as I said today I asked the child what do you think is the punishment for it what it maybe I was a little bit ahead of the time yeah it sounds like it yeah maybe I was ahead of the time yeah um what what do you see since Kimmel Thomas the histalcos of our dear Eva how has that impacted World from what you could see okay as far as that goes and I just want to mention that uh everybody I I think would understand there is a gap we're missing a very very great thing that we had I mean the the rabbit's presence was something that's Irreplaceable and replaceable you know we can replace it how many people would just stand there and just watch the rabbit davony how many people just here were around the the getting a glimpse of the river the rabbit smiled to me the river the Rebel's word any word that the river said was you know you jumped you ran for it unfortunately we don't have that we don't have that yeah nevertheless however though um we have to realize though that the rabbit carried us very strongly and we have to try as best we can to make up for it and it has to become more of a ruachaira we have to bring it to our kids we have this show children I don't know why is it why was it when I was in school in Yeshiva why was it that we aspired to become Tommy we want to learn we want to become we want to I I maybe I shouldn't use the word but we want to become Learners okay I mean to make something of yourself make them right not because you want to become I didn't as I said I didn't mean the word guttle right you wanted to be uh wanted to learn you wanted to go for shots you wanted to go for you know you want to do something why is that unfortunately not him now and the rabbit carried us but now we have to replace it with something so we have to replace books see this we have to replace it okay I mean everything but the child is as when he's in the younger grades he's not he's not already he's not you know he's not thinking about he's going to become a Sleek right away as I may I mean he has a he knows the rebel one side he wants to do it but what are you doing in the meantime you're not just thinking about for 15 years right you got it to be your you got to learn too the rebel wanted everybody to be a time that everyone said to somebody says 770. I speak so much about learning why don't they follow me then also yeah why when I go like this the whole 770 is dancing when I speak about learning Tata it doesn't always uh follow with a immediate reaction right thank you for this wonderful third session and we will continue very soon [Music] foreign [Music] foreign