Aguda convention, R Chaim Zimmerman, Rabbi Shach & Rebbe - R' Avraham Shmuel Levine #7- RC Dalfin

We're here with Rabbi Abram. This is part seven of a wonderful special interview. Um we've been speaking about Henkin Raosa and uh please continue. I used to I there were two years that I went to the Audi convention Atlantic City. You remember which years? 1974. No 74. At the end of 74. Yeah. And the year following Yeah. November 74 and and 75. Yes. And because before that you never went, right? And and all the of those days with Hutner didn't come. Hutner didn't come. Noki. Yeah. Rifter. Yeah. Rev. I don't remember him. Maybe maybe he was there. Not I don't remember. Okay. But anyway, they were all there and there were 2,000 people and I was the only labawer there with my garb and all that. So they saw and this is 1974. 1974 like I said the women 74. Yeah. then or maybe lame because December already was December. Oh, it's lame but it's 74 in the English, right? Okay. Okay. Now, after Shabas Friday night, after they finished and you know and all that, everybody lined up to give shalom to the to the and the first one was then I think was supposed if he was there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Cutler was there probably too, right? Not at that time, but I think I told you. I don't remember, friend. Did I tell you my relationship with him? No, you'll tell me afterwards. Finish this first. Okay. So we all lined up and everybody goes through and they say good chabas you know there's no no time wasted and all that when I came I went over to I said chabas he says to me where you eating to eat come to me come to his table so you have there you know he everyone their eyes are popping out. Come to me. Come to me to eat in his room. In his room? Yes. Cuz he was leaving. Oh, he didn't eat in a public dining room. No. So that was Uhhuh. And was everyone saw that that he gave you, you know, extra attention. Well, you were close to him. Okay. Tell tell us now about you said Cutler. The funny part about it is that liked me very much and I really liked him or not. In what context do you have a connection with? Okay. He used to he was very interesting. He was a member of the gustab. Yeah. And he was very interesting. It was interested interested in what's going on and what's going on in right with the cl with the public. Yeah. So he asked me for a favor that when he comes to visit from his mother his mother used to live in B park. Yeah. And I'm 15 to 47. Right. when he comes there I should come and he wants to hear from me what's what's going on so all every time that he came you would go over to visit times I would go and he would come downstairs and we would walk around the block together oh you didn't meet in the in the apartment no he would walk around the block together for 20 25 minutes right you know listening and and we were very close very very warm person did you did you ever talk anything Kabad Labich with him. No. Mhm. No. Mhm. I uh well I I wanted I'll tell you there was uh you mentioned about came out with a letter to Nabi Gibble I think it was maybe later on with the parade with the parade and in support of the Babage parade parade parade right and following day there was a big barrage the revolution got letters saying how can you support such a thing on Sundays and all that so many you know right accusations and attacks. Now the the when I got when when gave me this letter or signed the letter supporting the parade, I didn't want him himself. So I went with Goshure Gosh also signed it. Uhhuh. And it's that I didn't have this when I didn't have this this letter. Yeah. With I would have asked to sign it. Ahm. He he was a friend of Laabage. No well he didn't not openly he wasn't against like his father right that way. No he's not at all because they say because he was raised by his his grandfather who used to Oh yeah. Yeah. So he was raised by his um did you have any contact with Kamki? Anything that comes to mind? No. Rafner? No, no. Any other of the Shiva's Gimm that uh I think came once. Who? He was from where? He was I think the son of I think he was the son of of I think. Yeah. Yeah. I had I had a relationship with the here with who? You had a relation with Yeah. In what way? What? Uh because was involved in these things. No. That was that was later on. I said that's when I came to Israel. Not when I was like, you had a relationship with in in here in Yeah. What? What? But I'm saying what was he involved with your Well, you see his his son-in-law is my So what's his name? Yosir. Yul. Yeah, he was. So he So I So I became friend with with with He was a Goyne. I heard her. It was a a vildo going he's related to my mother-in-law. And he said to me when during the between andb in the 80s. Yeah. He said to me once he said he doesn't understand this. I mean, you know, the Reb I know your Reb. He says, "You should know." He said, "I know." He would send through me. Every time he came out with a with a safer, he would send it to the Reb. Yeah. And he would write and his were always he would write about the Reb once in a generation. Yeah. And that to me was a big thing because I know he he probably felt he was a but so I was I once asked him what do you see in the Reb that you don't see in others in other Yeah. that what what do you see? So he said I want to tell you something is knows everything he knows and you talk to him but everything is the in other words when you have a reading he will read you the theus and you'll see you have no cash right he's this clarity of his mind this deepness of his mind is unprecedented Mhm. Mhm. And uh what was it when when it when the got his stroke in Yeah. in 1992. So they asked that people should go around to get and I went to him and this was before this was and he the reb at that time became 902 90 90 90 90. So he wrote to the Reb and he says amongst what he wrote to the Reb, he said this letter should be like and somebody came in who came to was sitting was was a novel over he had 10 children who passed away and he gave him his gave him his hand and he he rose rose up Right. Yeah. He made him well by raising him right hand. So this letter should be like ah giving that to make him well. Yeah. Now I'm going to ask you what we call a load a loaded question. Okay. In 19 I was by the river forat and Sunday by dollars. I I went by dollars on Sunday and uh the Reb gave me a dollar and I started walking by and Reb calls me back and he starts speaking to this gift of cinnamon and tell him over what we spoke about yesterday by the as he's speaking he gives me another dollar then another dollar ended up with $37 and he said we You tell him what we spoke about that by giving stock to Eid you make there's a bond it's a and even if this seed is even if he's over overseas and yeah and even in the gives me a smile even if one is one is one is a minor one is a major yeah and this there's a connection So, uh, so he So, you and you gave him the I gave I I gave him the $3 and he looks at the $3 and he says, "What should I do with these $3?" I said, "The Reb said, give it the stuff." He says, "Here, take the stuff. I have those." But he wasn't aim. No, no, but he No, but but he wasn't against the Bach, right? You know that I used to live in Boro Park. Yes, of course. Okay. Now, I have a question. I need you to really think about the answer before you speak. My research, I told you I wrote a book called Kabad and Punovich, which I have to get you because you'll have a lot to say. My research points to the following that Raf did not hate Loab and did not hate the Rebah. He had very strong disagreements with the Reba and Lababich in Shittita. Would you say that is correct or wrong? I want to hear your opinion because you're someone who knew these people or knew about them much more than I don't think it would be only there would be the reaction the way he acted would be that way. And I'll give you an example. We give an example. You take a look at the mas between the Rambam and the rivet. So you see there are sharp words from the riv and the ra. Absolutely. But the rivid was cla he knew Rambam from top to bottom. So he's able to say able to to attack the right. But of Yeah. He didn't know the No, he didn't learn any of that. He didn't learn any of No, he did. Right. He didn't learn any of the No. And he would say the Reb comes out. The Reb mentions about giving back. Yeah. So the Reb said brings you he gives you right. He said without looking without anything. This is against a sheet. This this is against a sheet. What kind of sheet? Right. That's the way I look at it. Let me ask you another listen. I don't want No, no. Just one one other thing. Um it seems to me that the the the he was most upset that the rebi interfered with Israeli politics and things in his role. He doesn't even live here. So why was like that? Why were all the other dead were not like that? Why it's only why he he you know that he he you know that he he was a rash in Ken stolen in in Europe but he was so against you as okay let's go on um but why was against if it's if it's negative okay I I hear I I think we we hear your opinion and fine