3 Types of Pleasures

okay we're holding in kuntus the second shear that we're giving on page 31 in the overcoming folly edition or if you're using the regular text hebrew english it's pedic based chapter 2. of maymar allah the first mimer let's read the kitsur just to refresh our memory of what we learned yesterday the mimer begins with a posiken in your isn't only a locale and as uh avi very nicely uh showed us a possibility of where it is and really thankful to you for that so the word cheetah it's a root shadish is shita what said that having pleasure from things that are even permissible to you who are it's a desecration of the ways of tayden because he brings the safe rachino who interprets uh the prosecution theo to be uh to refer to dwara mohammed tarim as the ramban says he doesn't quote here that amban but it's the ramban over there on the posik if you want to check it out and the seif rahim enumerates it as one of the 630 mitzvahs and so too the altered in tanya chapter 30 uh supports this opinion and obviously being a great great grandson follows in his in his um opinion and that's why he says here who alvaro it is a desecration of the ways of tata where does it come from to indulge to to to come to this indulgence it comes from the yetzerhara who makes man go aside go astray mediterraneous from the way of truth if a gomula and once he gets you to do that he go he goes up to heaven to makatrik and he prosecutes vahu hassatan and that's why we call the hate sahara with the name sutton if you were wondering why does the yates a hurricane have two names he ate sahara and satan so what does the word sutton mean so one of the meanings of the word certain is to prosecute to to to ste stia also means to speak to prosecute against you he goes and gets you to do an aveda and then he takes that to heaven and he says you see so that's what we call the aids of honey you need not only yates or hara but the activity that the hate sahara accomplishes you know snitching snitching on the person to heaven is that snitching and prosecution is classified with the name pedigrees says that bill the mass of nader the truth is this indulgence that man indulges in it is utter stupidity i mean you don't usually find such a direct language and see this chabad in any in really this well in particular because where does it come to use the word other stupidity which is the english translation of snyder and why is it the next words we read with a question is this of creatures man is the choice he is the best of all creatures that hashem made and this best gravitates to hence we're this is utter stupidity it's like someone who has everything and then wastes it on all kinds of stupidity later in the my in the later in mimer 15 you look at on the english side note 18 he references that a note later in minor 15 chapters one and two the rabbi rashad will explain this term that man is so that will be an interesting discussion but as far as what's we're concerned over here this is his argument if he wasn't if he was just an ordinary fellow one amongst more creatures big deal big deal people but when you are peer on the brilliant they're the choicest you're the best you're excellence and you act so foolish and stupid this is this is this makes no sense four or five different types of pleasures let's listen take for example a pleasure from a delicious sweet and good food to the cheek to palette this is the lowest this also includes all pleasures of gosh miss the guff name bodily needs suzel tyne of bahamut we call that a bahami an animal like tynuk an animal loves to soak itself either in dirt or in water right look it gets pleasure from that well when we have a good hot bath and we need and and it's not for our health but just to say ah it's a machaya it's instead of going and helping someone a nursing home you you're saying it's a mahaya you know why it feels good well no problem but you're like a bahama a behemoth feels good also and so every type of taino of of of goofness of body if it's if it's bereft of spirituality it's kind of behind me let's continue an animal is drawn after good things for our even sweet things the feet ever baked based on its instinct it's nature and it knows no other good keem immate was there only this good and sweet thing and it's drawn after after this okay finished we finished now with thai nuke number one if you're making notes this paragraph is kind of one which is thai we call it goofy that is a little more elevated sophisticated and above this who can my hat because pleasant music pleasant sound this is more spiritual it's interesting that moshe myers just came on at this moment when the rebel ashab addressed something that he loves to do which is playing music so the rebel right here you came on right right when i'm finished when we just read the second line absolutely but what does he say about it motion now get ready he says although it's not at the bahamian it's not an animal course pleasure but it's still a bodily pleasure music is still in the realm of gosh me of a physical and a physical so yes it's not as coarse as gosh me but it's still gosh me and that's all he says about it one sec one second one second motion let me finish more of the paragraph and believe that it will get back to you i gotta cover some ground it's important so so here finishes here finishes guys here finishes the second thai nuke he doesn't say more about it so just to speculate and to philosophize is not the time right now let's go now to tie knock number three third type of pleasure that the rashab identifies and and you can you see that going one is more refined than the other so music youngest is more of a refined thai nook than eating sleeping and all the other gossipies number three moshe please turn off your mute a third time look which is even more sophisticated and refined is pleasure that we get from character middles of being a mensch helping someone i was going to spend some time explaining this and pay attention to the nuance of how he spins it okay i'm sorry to use those words but you know i think we know it's good to the way we understand the better if i said that those words take goodness and kindness when one does with someone else she has presented the person who by nature is a good guy a good man a good person he gets tremendous taino kind of niffler wonderous dino pleasure from being able to do a favor of a hazard for someone else yes now this is this is still within the third time that ever says now within doing good for others there are nuances let's see what he says yes there are also levels nuances if the doing of good if he's doing good who is is only coming because by nature he is kind beli without the the involvement of logic next page page 33 in other words why am i doing it because it feels good yeah i'm not thinking about it's right it's wrong i get a i get a high from doing the present to someone else let's continue he does good and kindness with anyone that come that he meets but we have honda without discerning whether he meets a drug addict or he meets someone who doesn't have to to pay rent he gives them both money and it makes him feel good to help people uh he has no inner focus and intent when doing good eating with this person this type of pleasure who god came to heinough bahami the rabbi rashad says i'm going to put that into the category the first category of an animalistic dino is gabriel very interesting because what's going on is there is the overpowering hit gabrut from the word gebor of tv is the natural love in other words this is such a deep point and important what's natural to a person doesn't mean that it's holy and it doesn't mean that it's spiritual it can be behind me it can be animalistic but it's that passion and gevorah that's in your character that says i'm going to do good regardless because i love doing good i may be what you're doing good is hurtful to the person or to others i don't care because it's about me oh it's about you as soon as you say it's about me that's never shabamis that's yay sahara that's that's the kind of guffny the lowest type of thailand as it's known that an animal is primary derived is only with instinct it doesn't have any das we don't mean we mean that it's das is totally subordinate to its middles so in order to justify its middles it has some dust but when he says it has no dos at all it means it doesn't have the human dust that we talk about the human mind um when a person conducts himself and pleasures and receives pleasure through his middle his character activity without the discernment of logic wow he's like an animal could you imagine some are writing a big check someone walking miles any and and you say he's like a behemoth why because he doesn't discern it's just all about him and makes him feel good because he has an uh a teva of tove now by the way that is not saying here that he's doing evil i don't want i don't want to get it you know he the point is he helping someone he's helping someone but as far as the person is concerned this is what this is still a tiny bahamian we're talking about i want to make it clear we're talking here about a human being a person and we say he has three so far three different kinds of tainook it's he so we're saying that this type of pleasure and this type of goodness that is natural for the person is the tiny bahami within the person uh let me take your question in a few minutes also harihuke is like an animal rather so so what should be so how should my middles how should my character and behavior be structured says that i'll tell you how call me this all human traits and character needs needs to be alpia dictated by logic chapters 12 and 17 and tanya moah shalit al-aleigh mind over matter that is man that is a healthy meter because then there will be times where you will not give even though you're wait you won't from the perspective of hesed you won't give because you'll say it's not healthy now we're not talking about rahman rahman is a different notion i'd say now even though he doesn't talk about it just to make it clear to you rahmanis means even though the person doesn't doesn't deserve i'm going to help them anyway but that's coming from the media we're not talking about middle school the attribute of mercy of compassion we're talking about needs to be dictated by logic and if it's not it's not healthy hazard it's an addicted hazard or in better english words it's about yourself and anything about yourself is not genuinely about the other person now as you know as far as let's say to dhaka that gomorrah said the gemara says the bottom line is the omni the poor person the poor person who needs help got the money whether whether you're genuine or not as far as the person is concerned it makes no difference he needs the help but in the mind we're not analyzing the person the other person who gets the help from his perspective he's right i need the help the fact that you're uh you're you're messed up and you're thinking that it's about you that's your issue and that's what the mimer's talking about the mime was talking about us not about the result of what we do but about what we do is it mind over matter or is it free love and giving without discernment which can be and lead to a big problem okay uh moshe meyers and then yoni briefly please go ahead okay uh just regarding what you said when i came on about music i hear what you're saying it's a more coarse uh pleasure or activity than let's say uh eating and so on no no no no just the opposite it's a more it's a more refined i got it wrong yeah that's what i meant to say it's less course it's more it's a higher level right yes yes okay but but yeah but yet you said it's still uh from the behemoth like it's still from our our physical goof yeah now the thing is i always understood ralph that music is one of the few things along with torah and other ministers that existed because we learned the malachi singh so maybe it's the kind of music we're talking about but music exists in all of us so then how does that how does that uh work out does it sound good okay it's not so good i'm gonna tell you a story that's a very sharp story and i would have not told it to you but it just came to me now and it's not going to i don't want you to take it as an insult to rip slow-mo i want you to hear the point okay i heard this from someone who was getting married in 1967 i heard it from him himself okay so he wanted to see have the alta river the bellatanya's niggin you know that we sing at weddings even though he wasn't a real a full-fledged liberator but he had respect and and he felt that this was an awesome for him to walk under to be under the hooper with his collar okay his his collar was from a very rabbinic lit home and uh she didn't go for it she said she never heard of it it sounds very morbid like what are you hacking me and and and this was this was 67 and you know that shlomo's nagum were becoming popular it was really taking off and and people heard about his house of love and prayer everything else so she said she wants a karl bakhtun so he the cousin uh had yahidus with the rubber with the barbecue rabbit 67 1967. yep and he and he presented the wrecker with the dilemma and he wanted the rebels opinion this is what the rebels said and it's it's so profound and deep and it's not in my opinion an insult of or anyone else the rapper said if and and and i don't oh one more thing he didn't tell the rebber that that his khala wanted one of slo mosby he didn't say that she wants another tune so the rabbit didn't even the rabbit didn't even know it's slo-mo versus the altar rabbit and the rabbit said if you want the tune of the other person to lead you to the fupa you should sing that too because it's the energy of the music that sets the tone for the cuppa and if you want the balatanya to be at the hooper you sing his song what do i see from the story this is the story that the story ends here okay he told me the story most people don't know about this is like a new story for people but he told me the story what do we see to me we see that music is so deep in the summer so deep in the soul that it's a it's an expression of soul like you say on one hand but on the other hand it comes through the filter of a mouth a mind and a heart and if the filter of the mind and the heart is whoever it is that's what you're getting and this is a very important point when we talk about music what music to listen to i'm talking about within jewish music non-jewish music not kosher music and not even discussing but within kosher music you have to ask yourself a question that's so important for the children and grandchildren excuse me the the the the the issue is what do i with what am i relating so i'm relating to music like you said it's it's more refined it's true it's more refined but it goes through a mind a heart a mouth those are the filters the the instruments and if the person or people represent a certain certain philosophy that's what you're getting so everyone has to decide what they want their chupa to to access that's all so that's my answer to you to your question of course music is uh of spiritual nature but nevertheless let's not kill ourselves moshe goes through a mind and a heart of a composer of a singer of a player and that's why they have to be eurasia mayan and when they're eurasia mayam then their compositions and their tombs are very very deep that's all and it you know it's like a classical chabad music i'm talking about old time the vegas night of meditative songs which to many sounds very boring and and and and you know depressing okay i'll use the word depressing to me to me i get a high from this music because i i try to find the soul within the music of the person and i know some i know the type of people who compose that music who would doubt them for four or five hours that with crying tears and and they didn't have them what to eat and they still governed then they prayed to hashem and they composed music coming for so to me that is a holy it's a real holy you know reminds me this is a little uh foolish but a point in los angeles when we lived in los angeles a woman a woman was at our house and she had just left the um the kabbalah center you heard of the kabbalah centers all over so i so i asked her do you have kosher mezuzas so she said yes so i said where did you get them she got them at the cabala center i said um did you ask to find out who the sofer was who wrote the mesusas she said yeah the sofa actually told me he wrote the mezuzas while he had his feet in water to function as a mikveh do you understand it's a question for ashkenazim to ask them to be barefoot according to the balatanya you're not supposed to be barefoot during prayer okay here you're not praying you're riding the mezuzah if you're a swarthy something else but i'm just saying like you know what what misha gas is this putting your feet in the in in a basin of water but to function as a mikveh i mean get your heads checked out i mean like you know what i'm saying is that people can be suffering people can be composers i don't want to go into it but i i know people that used to write torah and listen to non-jewish music at the same time would you would you listen would you read torah written by someone while non-jewish music was playing in the background i wouldn't but you'll say what does one have to do with the other what everyone is going to have to do with the other here is a piece of torah which is in holiness and where is it coming from with with a guy getting excited as he's writing he needs mental he needs mental energy so what does he listen to go usher music come on so you know we have to understand um so we have we have to we have to that these things do happen okay yoni and then we have to go yoni yeah yeah is a very beautiful story that was a really great story um there's actually there's actually one thing i wasn't going to say this because i didn't i didn't know you're going to talk about this but they say rip kaaba he never listened to right non-jewish and he wouldn't he wouldn't agree to play with somebody that listened to non-jewish music because he said it would ruin the whole orchestra the whole nagina right right that wasn't right that that's one of the things but but ready what i wanted to ask you is when we're talking about the third time this third time this time of where you the person thinks he's doing the mitzvah he thinks he's doing uh he's fooling himself he's really he's doing he's doing a bit stuff but he's not doing the shame shaman right he's doing it for himself right so what comes to mind i have a lot of friends in america and israel are both in han sala is that you know some people they do it you know some people have good intentions some people do for the rush there's like a rush when they get that pull on chavez and you know the night in the morning they're in shul and and they go they get they it it's like an addictive rush and and not necessarily you know 100 they're doing it for the mitzvot like doing it for that rush where they you know get the beeper and they get the phone and boom right like i said earlier the you got to save the life solo the bottom line that's what if if you're you know if you told me which is better not to do it or to do it the answer is to do it because the guy needs the help but here when we learn on my mercedes this is where you got to look into yourself and and refine yourself so the answer you only is continue doing it not to stop doing it but just know that it's much more than the rush and and and with the ableist help the person will get there because there's another issue another a mitzvah schleps a person into a good place one day in the second day and you'll see and we've seen this you can look on i i remember listening to a composer for all the singers he's now in his 60s or 70s you guys know who he is and and he he has a video and i was listening to him and you know i remember this guy 40 years ago with murkhy ben david you know in in brooklyn college in 1975 and if if you saw what i saw you would vomit okay i don't want to go into it girls and boys and swinging i mean it was like it was like so pressed it was so pressed you know and here he is 40 years later he's speaking like uh he that he learns every day and and you know what i'm saying and he's a hussain and and i see that okay people change the mitzvah slaps them in but of course it's good to start earlier so you don't have to wait 40 years and cause issues for 40 years you don't want to wake up when you're 70 years old and say i i made a mistake and i want to change my ways so that's why we learn a minor like this and we look at the facet that we do whether it be solo and everyone does test it so of course the bottom line is the person needs to help but from your own perspective we should refine that everyone have a great day i think we had a great year we'll learn tomorrow more zai gazant bye-bye thank you so very much