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#10&11 Z Schechter Mashiach G-d vs. Halacha Do I feel Guilt? Why didn't Rebbe groom a Successor?
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Rebbe will be Mashiach Closeness to G-d vs. Halacha Do.I feel Guilt? Whi didn't Rebbe groom a Successor?
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this will be the final
explanation of about the last 20 to 23
minutes
of the resolvement interview that i did
in 19 i'm sorry 2010
about 11 years ago
when he was 85 years old and i would say
that
in these 20 minutes or so
uh salman really uh spills the beans
and uh you know i asked some very very
pointed questions direct questions
i let it all out because we're coming to
the finale
so first
i asked him at some point does he
actually believe that the rebbe
sanctioned him using lsd
as a spiritual means
of feeling hashem feeling god
and this was uh by the way he didn't he
said it was his base thomas it was the
12th of thomas 1964.
i heard from hasidim who were actually
there
and they overheard part of the dialogue
that he
mentions and it's exactly uh it's pretty
much what he said
the rabbi told them wants to say that
him for a retreat and wants to have a
good meditation another time silicone
for good meditation
which by the way throughout the video um
i could tell you from researching
lots of the things that he told me he
said to the repertoire to him that
they're pretty
pretty accurate not exactly a hundred
percent but
uh fairly close and it's his memory like
i said
an earlier explanation that fey you know
at 85 years old he doesn't remember
exactly the day the year
but uh pretty much i would say that
um it's accurate he's not a liar
okay he's not making up things
at least not in these things that i'm
identifying
so anyway so i asked zalman
do you take the rebbe's words as the
green light giving you a green light to
do your lsd trip two weeks later
two weeks later after that 1960 july
1964 meeting with the rebbe in public
and he said yes
and i implied i disagree
i didn't want to get you know combative
with him
the rabbit told himself i am for a
retreat and for a good meditation so he
takes that
what's a retreat later on he says what's
a retreat going
into yourself deeper into yourself and
when you take
lsd that's when you really get
deep into yourself and that to me is
like scratching your ear this way
okay instead of scratching it like this
like this with my right hand i'm
scratching
my left air first that's what the rabbit
said
the rapper said yeah have a retreat
have a good meditation and you know take
psychedelic drugs
there are there are there's a there's a
there are letters in the rep but he
writes clearly
clearly in english that taking
psychedelic drugs
to as a way a mean a means to
gain more spiritual uh connection to
hashem to god and to feeling
more connected is against the torah is
not the jewish approach it's not the
torah approach
and this this is where
you know where zalman you know where he
went off
on his own which he says later he admits
there's a line in these last 20 minutes
that i want you to listen to and pay
attention where he says
to me kirvas elokim is more important
than halacha
did you hear that do you know what that
means feeling close to god
in the way he understood
feeling close to god should be and can
be
even if it means taking lsd is more
important than
jewish law goes out the window because
kira said the kim is greater
clearly that's a violation of
and to understand that comment of his he
says again
more later in the in the clip and what
does he say
he says that
he says that um
he came to a point that he understood he
speaks about islam shot on nephesh
the world the time time space and the
individual
okay the acronym for that he doesn't say
this i think but it's ocean like smoke
which is interesting he's you know
smoked up right
he used lsd some form of a smoking
experience
anyway um
he talks about living in the present and
he go he refers back to what the rabbit
told him in 1938 over there in belgium
he refers back to it right now he says
let me i want to go back to what what i
started with and that's the way he
explains
jewish renewal because that's what he
wanted to end with was
his explanation why he started renewal
and what he had in mind when he did
he started renewing what it what he
feels it's it is and can give to the jew
to the world and the jewish world and
what is that
that the the the things in the past are
the past it's not relevant now
it's not relevant now and i think this
is
a a very very important uh nakuda a
point
that explains much of what he was and he
says clearly that's where he you know
went and he says he left the you know
lubavitch in that sense
at the same time listen to the way he
answers my question when i ask him do
you have
guilt and he says do i have guilt
of course i have guilt look look at his
facial expression look at his body
movements look
what he says at the time now do do you
believe it
i mean when someone says he has guilt
and he still continues
at the age of 85 to lead the renewal
movement
with the philosophies and and ideas that
he espouses
espoused on this two-hour video
much of which is contrary
to halal that he said that renewal
doesn't really adhere to and to allah
do you believe when he says he's he
feels guilt
and i think the answer is yes and no so
what kind of an answer is that but
that's
the mathias that's the the reality
there is i feel guilt but at the same
time
i feel guilt that i have to
express myself this way but i want to
express myself this way because i
believe that this is what the world
needs now
and he told over some classific stories
in the of the past
how what's relevant is what's happening
now not what's happening in the past
so again if you're the sort of person
that that to you is not
real guilt fine
if you're able and under and willing and
you understand that there
is a place of truth on some level of
that type of guilt
fine so it's for you to decide not for
me to decide
for you
another interesting point
that he mentions in this uh in this
segment of the video when i asked him
did he think during the 1940s that the
freedom
you know what he answers he says you
won't believe this
again i don't know if those the exact
words but just summarizing
i actually thought more of the ramach
being meshiach
which is very interesting because he
considered the previous rabbi his river
and we discussed that on one of the
explanations because of the emotional
attachment
yet when it comes to who
is the mashiach the potential mashiach
not the rayats
it's the ramash and he says why
he says because after a high level tough
gimmu september 1943
when there was a dinner for the baby
yeshiva and and
and the rabbi salovey chick rabbi yosef
the
bear salvation was the guest speaker and
he spoke so
highly of the the work of lebowicz and
of the previous celebrity was sitting
right there and he
picked up that ebba's hand
to show the crowd that this is a real
sadiq and someone who's worthy of their
support
and and zalman was there
so he thought that the previous rap is
going to say right after that
and now we're going towards eric's role
in other words that
this i'm the mashiach without saying i'm
the mushy
and and then came rosh hashanah tufts
and dalit
1943 hashanah and it was back to
the basics starving learning crying
during shiva
and the call of duty
altruisticular subsided
slowly after that and he was very very
disappointed and very hurt and i think
that's what he means so
meshiach will be expressed through the
son-in-law of
the rebel and being that he
was close to the river throughout the
fifties
the stories that you he that he shares
the yahidisin the private audiences
the give and take where he challenged
the rebel he says listen to what he says
he says
he always had like a good sharp answer a
retort
to my criticism you know
and my understanding of that is like you
know it impacted him
and he says at some point he says if he
would
oh oh he's no he said later he says that
if he would have told me
not to take lsd i would not have
listened anyway
and the rebel knew that and that's why
probably he didn't tell him that because
he knew he wouldn't listen so he doesn't
want you know the governor says what if
she is shaking him while you're deemed
it's better to be accidental than
intentional
regarding if you're doing a very do a
transgression
but anyway that's that's it wasn't part
of the conversation just the
thought that i'm sharing but going back
to the mashiach issue
you see clearly that he that he um
is a great fan of that really you know
and had
like a dialogue with him on a one-to-one
basis on you know
in a very friendly way it's very
interesting
another point that he mentions towards
the end
is and i after i question who's going to
be the successor to the renewal movement
so basically he doesn't want to answer
me
and then you know but then he throws it
back at me later and he says
so you asked me about succession
let me ask you who's going to be the
successor for the rebber
if the rebel made his main avoid his
main activity
going to the o'hal for so many hours and
reading
everyone's petition notes over there and
praying for to hashem to help the people
why didn't he take he says like a yo
khan rabbi yo khan
may be well and others like him
to the o hell and train them how to read
a crittle
now that language just for you listeners
is a very particular um
nuance and language in hasidic world
lane in acquittal to read
a note a petition note it doesn't mean
just to read it it means
to know the nuances
and what's hidden beneath
the words of the petition note and
someone who is a
sadiq who so a holy righteous soul
of assadic senses that and knows that
and zalman's saying so if
obviously he's saying like this i i'm
now extrapolating
i believe that the rebber knew how to
read a crittle at the ohil
he's not making light of that activity
you know but he says if that's the case
why didn't he train someone
and he's also intimating you know the
rebel was a smart man
and and and meshiach is not here and
he's getting older
why didn't he do that so that was a
rebuttal to me
and criticism in a sense to to lubavitch
i didn't want to you know uh you know
respond because it would take away from
the flow of the interview
but just now that we're talking about it
it's ridiculous why
because first you have to be exotic then
you can read a critter
just to take anyone and train them
like zalman tried and trained his people
and the renewal movement doesn't make
them
shechters there isn't one person in the
renewal movement
that's like it doesn't exist
and it never will exist and in fact the
entire renewal movement
is a very interesting phenomenon today
and that's a discussion for another time
so taking even the rabbi khan who is
you know my teacher in hasidis and and
and the crazer of the river
and such a such a special person and
everything else
nevertheless it's not an effort
and ever is a summer thing a soul thing
it doesn't come through training
it doesn't come through osmosis and
zalman
absalmon is arguing that you know kind
of well
it's the second best it doesn't work
this way
and i want to conclude now with the
final point that he makes which this i
feel does need a rebuttal
where he makes a derogatory statement
about oh well first thing he
compliments the rebels genius of sending
out
lucha memiseries and he says even a lie
listen to it he says that's even greater
than
kind of his innovation
and he uses the word it's more american
very very interesting
it's more american you know
so he acknowledges that admits that the
rebber's
style of is the best and even better
than what he did
nevertheless he's critical and he says
that the shlokum are not sophisticated
enough
and they are not
it's the the seven eight and nine
emanations of the
in the spheros of god which represent um
behavior you know natsuki's endurance
communication et cetera different
practical tools
to implement what the mind understands
and what the heart feels
and zalman is is
um he's saying his his criticism is
about this
he says you know so they go they tell
someone to put on film they knock him
on the door they do those things but
there's no sophistication
you know does the person understand what
he's doing do you work towards of
waking up the soul and the person in the
sense of a spiritual
uplift and things like that well my dear
absolument you're in donating now
and i really believe that and
our two hour nearly two hour video was
most special and as absolute said no one
ever got such
footage before and that is true that's
what i've been told by
people who worked with him and saw his
you know and for years
so barak hashem that were able to have
this
and my response to his criticism
constructive criticism i would say it
wasn't coming from a place of
bad and evil but it was coming from a
healthy place but nevertheless
there's a it's erroneous because hamas
who will it the bottom line is action
and this goes along with the whole
that the whole idea of
is greater than kirwa selokir
so yes from where zalman's coming from
that kiriva salukim feeling of god
you know that that sense of of godliness
and
and being more godly and sophisticated
and
goes together the sophistication and and
and the care of us elokim go hand in
hand
but since the torah and as stressed by
lubavitch
and the rebbe is
a jewish law franchise religion
religiosity and of course kabbalah soil
accepting
the yoke what's probably
what's what has a priority is
myself put the trillion on put the
mezuzah on
and simultaneously teach them
but if it's a choice of not putting it
on till they're taught to putting it on
before they're taught put them on
before they're taught and later they'll
follow through
hashem should help may god help us
that in this course of discussing these
things
we all and i include all those that
belong to the jewish renewal movement
should realize