#10&11 Z Schechter Mashiach G-d vs. Halacha Do I feel Guilt? Why didn't Rebbe groom a Successor?

this will be the final explanation of about the last 20 to 23 minutes of the resolvement interview that i did in 19 i'm sorry 2010 about 11 years ago when he was 85 years old and i would say that in these 20 minutes or so uh salman really uh spills the beans and uh you know i asked some very very pointed questions direct questions i let it all out because we're coming to the finale so first i asked him at some point does he actually believe that the rebbe sanctioned him using lsd as a spiritual means of feeling hashem feeling god and this was uh by the way he didn't he said it was his base thomas it was the 12th of thomas 1964. i heard from hasidim who were actually there and they overheard part of the dialogue that he mentions and it's exactly uh it's pretty much what he said the rabbi told them wants to say that him for a retreat and wants to have a good meditation another time silicone for good meditation which by the way throughout the video um i could tell you from researching lots of the things that he told me he said to the repertoire to him that they're pretty pretty accurate not exactly a hundred percent but uh fairly close and it's his memory like i said an earlier explanation that fey you know at 85 years old he doesn't remember exactly the day the year but uh pretty much i would say that um it's accurate he's not a liar okay he's not making up things at least not in these things that i'm identifying so anyway so i asked zalman do you take the rebbe's words as the green light giving you a green light to do your lsd trip two weeks later two weeks later after that 1960 july 1964 meeting with the rebbe in public and he said yes and i implied i disagree i didn't want to get you know combative with him the rabbit told himself i am for a retreat and for a good meditation so he takes that what's a retreat later on he says what's a retreat going into yourself deeper into yourself and when you take lsd that's when you really get deep into yourself and that to me is like scratching your ear this way okay instead of scratching it like this like this with my right hand i'm scratching my left air first that's what the rabbit said the rapper said yeah have a retreat have a good meditation and you know take psychedelic drugs there are there are there's a there's a there are letters in the rep but he writes clearly clearly in english that taking psychedelic drugs to as a way a mean a means to gain more spiritual uh connection to hashem to god and to feeling more connected is against the torah is not the jewish approach it's not the torah approach and this this is where you know where zalman you know where he went off on his own which he says later he admits there's a line in these last 20 minutes that i want you to listen to and pay attention where he says to me kirvas elokim is more important than halacha did you hear that do you know what that means feeling close to god in the way he understood feeling close to god should be and can be even if it means taking lsd is more important than jewish law goes out the window because kira said the kim is greater clearly that's a violation of and to understand that comment of his he says again more later in the in the clip and what does he say he says that he says that um he came to a point that he understood he speaks about islam shot on nephesh the world the time time space and the individual okay the acronym for that he doesn't say this i think but it's ocean like smoke which is interesting he's you know smoked up right he used lsd some form of a smoking experience anyway um he talks about living in the present and he go he refers back to what the rabbit told him in 1938 over there in belgium he refers back to it right now he says let me i want to go back to what what i started with and that's the way he explains jewish renewal because that's what he wanted to end with was his explanation why he started renewal and what he had in mind when he did he started renewing what it what he feels it's it is and can give to the jew to the world and the jewish world and what is that that the the the things in the past are the past it's not relevant now it's not relevant now and i think this is a a very very important uh nakuda a point that explains much of what he was and he says clearly that's where he you know went and he says he left the you know lubavitch in that sense at the same time listen to the way he answers my question when i ask him do you have guilt and he says do i have guilt of course i have guilt look look at his facial expression look at his body movements look what he says at the time now do do you believe it i mean when someone says he has guilt and he still continues at the age of 85 to lead the renewal movement with the philosophies and and ideas that he espouses espoused on this two-hour video much of which is contrary to halal that he said that renewal doesn't really adhere to and to allah do you believe when he says he's he feels guilt and i think the answer is yes and no so what kind of an answer is that but that's the mathias that's the the reality there is i feel guilt but at the same time i feel guilt that i have to express myself this way but i want to express myself this way because i believe that this is what the world needs now and he told over some classific stories in the of the past how what's relevant is what's happening now not what's happening in the past so again if you're the sort of person that that to you is not real guilt fine if you're able and under and willing and you understand that there is a place of truth on some level of that type of guilt fine so it's for you to decide not for me to decide for you another interesting point that he mentions in this uh in this segment of the video when i asked him did he think during the 1940s that the freedom you know what he answers he says you won't believe this again i don't know if those the exact words but just summarizing i actually thought more of the ramach being meshiach which is very interesting because he considered the previous rabbi his river and we discussed that on one of the explanations because of the emotional attachment yet when it comes to who is the mashiach the potential mashiach not the rayats it's the ramash and he says why he says because after a high level tough gimmu september 1943 when there was a dinner for the baby yeshiva and and and the rabbi salovey chick rabbi yosef the bear salvation was the guest speaker and he spoke so highly of the the work of lebowicz and of the previous celebrity was sitting right there and he picked up that ebba's hand to show the crowd that this is a real sadiq and someone who's worthy of their support and and zalman was there so he thought that the previous rap is going to say right after that and now we're going towards eric's role in other words that this i'm the mashiach without saying i'm the mushy and and then came rosh hashanah tufts and dalit 1943 hashanah and it was back to the basics starving learning crying during shiva and the call of duty altruisticular subsided slowly after that and he was very very disappointed and very hurt and i think that's what he means so meshiach will be expressed through the son-in-law of the rebel and being that he was close to the river throughout the fifties the stories that you he that he shares the yahidisin the private audiences the give and take where he challenged the rebel he says listen to what he says he says he always had like a good sharp answer a retort to my criticism you know and my understanding of that is like you know it impacted him and he says at some point he says if he would oh oh he's no he said later he says that if he would have told me not to take lsd i would not have listened anyway and the rebel knew that and that's why probably he didn't tell him that because he knew he wouldn't listen so he doesn't want you know the governor says what if she is shaking him while you're deemed it's better to be accidental than intentional regarding if you're doing a very do a transgression but anyway that's that's it wasn't part of the conversation just the thought that i'm sharing but going back to the mashiach issue you see clearly that he that he um is a great fan of that really you know and had like a dialogue with him on a one-to-one basis on you know in a very friendly way it's very interesting another point that he mentions towards the end is and i after i question who's going to be the successor to the renewal movement so basically he doesn't want to answer me and then you know but then he throws it back at me later and he says so you asked me about succession let me ask you who's going to be the successor for the rebber if the rebel made his main avoid his main activity going to the o'hal for so many hours and reading everyone's petition notes over there and praying for to hashem to help the people why didn't he take he says like a yo khan rabbi yo khan may be well and others like him to the o hell and train them how to read a crittle now that language just for you listeners is a very particular um nuance and language in hasidic world lane in acquittal to read a note a petition note it doesn't mean just to read it it means to know the nuances and what's hidden beneath the words of the petition note and someone who is a sadiq who so a holy righteous soul of assadic senses that and knows that and zalman's saying so if obviously he's saying like this i i'm now extrapolating i believe that the rebber knew how to read a crittle at the ohil he's not making light of that activity you know but he says if that's the case why didn't he train someone and he's also intimating you know the rebel was a smart man and and and meshiach is not here and he's getting older why didn't he do that so that was a rebuttal to me and criticism in a sense to to lubavitch i didn't want to you know uh you know respond because it would take away from the flow of the interview but just now that we're talking about it it's ridiculous why because first you have to be exotic then you can read a critter just to take anyone and train them like zalman tried and trained his people and the renewal movement doesn't make them shechters there isn't one person in the renewal movement that's like it doesn't exist and it never will exist and in fact the entire renewal movement is a very interesting phenomenon today and that's a discussion for another time so taking even the rabbi khan who is you know my teacher in hasidis and and and the crazer of the river and such a such a special person and everything else nevertheless it's not an effort and ever is a summer thing a soul thing it doesn't come through training it doesn't come through osmosis and zalman absalmon is arguing that you know kind of well it's the second best it doesn't work this way and i want to conclude now with the final point that he makes which this i feel does need a rebuttal where he makes a derogatory statement about oh well first thing he compliments the rebels genius of sending out lucha memiseries and he says even a lie listen to it he says that's even greater than kind of his innovation and he uses the word it's more american very very interesting it's more american you know so he acknowledges that admits that the rebber's style of is the best and even better than what he did nevertheless he's critical and he says that the shlokum are not sophisticated enough and they are not it's the the seven eight and nine emanations of the in the spheros of god which represent um behavior you know natsuki's endurance communication et cetera different practical tools to implement what the mind understands and what the heart feels and zalman is is um he's saying his his criticism is about this he says you know so they go they tell someone to put on film they knock him on the door they do those things but there's no sophistication you know does the person understand what he's doing do you work towards of waking up the soul and the person in the sense of a spiritual uplift and things like that well my dear absolument you're in donating now and i really believe that and our two hour nearly two hour video was most special and as absolute said no one ever got such footage before and that is true that's what i've been told by people who worked with him and saw his you know and for years so barak hashem that were able to have this and my response to his criticism constructive criticism i would say it wasn't coming from a place of bad and evil but it was coming from a healthy place but nevertheless there's a it's erroneous because hamas who will it the bottom line is action and this goes along with the whole that the whole idea of is greater than kirwa selokir so yes from where zalman's coming from that kiriva salukim feeling of god you know that that sense of of godliness and and being more godly and sophisticated and goes together the sophistication and and and the care of us elokim go hand in hand but since the torah and as stressed by lubavitch and the rebbe is a jewish law franchise religion religiosity and of course kabbalah soil accepting the yoke what's probably what's what has a priority is myself put the trillion on put the mezuzah on and simultaneously teach them but if it's a choice of not putting it on till they're taught to putting it on before they're taught put them on before they're taught and later they'll follow through hashem should help may god help us that in this course of discussing these things we all and i include all those that belong to the jewish renewal movement should realize