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>> Welcome to Inside Our Scroll, where the
books that we read and the people that
write them come to life.
On today's Inside Our Scroll, we
actually don't have the author,
but we are extremely honored to have two
of Crowley Israel's most beloved
brothers, Reb Avraham and Reb Shimon
Lefkowitz, Lakewood
Flatbush
Flatbush is out of town, right?
>> [laughter]
>> Um and the book that we've come to
discuss, which is a beautiful book,
super motivating. You want I told Rabbi
Yisrael Besser, who is the very talented
author, Yisrael Besser, that after I
read a third of the book or quarter of
the book, I wanted to just go learn.
Like that's the Avodas Hashem that the
book was able to foster. So the book is
about Reb Baruch Mordechai Ezrachi. I
know the Lefkowitz mishpacha was super
close to Reb Baruch Mordechai, and we're
here to talk a little bit about your
personal relationship to Reb Baruch
Mordechai, share with us some insights
and some stories, and I think this is
going to be a snapshot, a window into a
small percentage of the book. So if the
oilam enjoys this conversation, the book
is a hundred times better than whatever
this conversation could be. And listen,
Reb Baruch Mordechai was a million times
better than anything a conversation
could be. So let's begin. Um
Reb Avraham, we'll start with you.
What was the first time in your life
that you ever met Reb Baruch Mordechai
Ezrachi, the the noted Rosh Yeshiva
personality Marbitz Torah?
So Reb Baruch Mordechai was in our house
for I think over 45 years.
But we knew him also when we went to
Eretz Yisrael for Yom Tov.
And we spent Shabbosos and Yom Tov meals
in his like um uh
uh 200 square foot apartment.
And he had talmidim over there, and
that's where we were exposed to his
talmidim, to his energy, to his Kavod
HaTorah, to his Limud HaTorah.
How old were you when you like Do you
remember as a little child? We were
Shimon, I think we were maybe 10 and 11.
10 and 11 years old.
And all of a sudden a big personality
pops into your life.
It made us proud that that we were
connected to such a great Rosh Yeshiva.
Reb Shimon, how how did that connection
happen? How did
Reb Baruch Mordechai find your father
and your mother?
You know, it's that that's it's we're
still trying to figure that one out. Um
someone had made the connection.
Um and uh I still remember
um the first time he came to our house
was, I believe, uh
it was Purim time.
Maybe before, a little bit before.
Um
and uh
he was a new young Rosh Yeshiva who uh
uh
was just coming on the scene, as they
say. Obviously, his learning was
preceded this.
But uh he was just at first sight, he
was somebody at first sight. Didn't
matter if he's 21, 28, you you saw him,
you just fell in love with him. The way
he
presented himself, the way he's dynamic
in in
and you could see already, this is
this Rosh Yeshiva is going to be heard
from
for many years.
So um
we we were we were we always felt
so special. We came whether like
my brother Reb Avraham said, well, the
whether we were in Eretz Yisrael,
whether we were there for Shabbos, and
he spent a lot of Shabbosos with us in
America as well.
And um
it was always a special treat. He was He
always showed interest. It didn't matter
who was at the table, he was um
interested in everyone, and he gave
people attention.
Used to talk to Didn't matter if you
were uh
uh
young, old, or if you were uh what type
of
uh Yid you were. Yid you were. He He He
loved all Yidden, obviously. And he
would always find the right thing to
say.
That was the incredible thing. He always
found the right thing to tell people. As
chizuk or
a a compliment or a
little bit of a
jab? Uh
I wouldn't call it a jab, more like
constructive advice.
And uh it it just
it was it was a special special
relationship.
I have to say that you know, there are
many Roshei Yeshiva that they come
across, they're known for their their
godliness and learning.
And some are known for their godliness
in chizuk HaTorah.
But I believe he had so many different
facets about him.
It just wasn't just about the learning,
which
you know,
we we we all know
one day he could talk in Kodshim, the
next day he could be in Yevamos. And
I shouldn't say the next day, next hour.
He would go and give chaburos. Uh I
first remember the Yarchei Kallah.
Um I think I maybe I'm jumping ahead. If
I am, I'm sorry.
>> Go ahead. But uh in the Yarchei Kallah,
he would come to Yarchei Kallah and he'd
give on whatever the sugiyah was.
Uh he didn't need much preparation. They
told him, you know, but he I I
Upon finishing, he was heading over to
give a shiur to uh someone else in a
different Yeshiva in Yerushalayim.
And that's besides his own Yeshiva. Uh
uh
But but just from one to the other. So
So besides his learning, it just There
were so many facets facets about him. He
had his camp
that he he brought so many so many
uh Yidden back
to their roots and to to Torah. to Torah
to Torah. And there's so many stories. I
know so many stories that are in the
book that uh that uh
that we we we just amazed that he
would would talk to the way he would
present it.
Um there were many people who would uh
take to it, and they um
they they became big bnei Torah. Even
members of his Yeshiva.
He had the Reb Baruch Mordechai We
should We should take a step back here,
cuz I don't know if everyone knows about
the camp.
Do you want to share with us a little
bit about about his camp? So um
>> [clears throat]
>> I just want to mention something about
what Shimon said. You know, when Reb
Baruch Mordechai gave a shiur, it just
wasn't a shiur. It wasn't uh to give
over his mahaloch in the sugiyah. It was
a production.
It was like I would say l'havdil, it's
like you're watching an event, a sports
event. It was exciting. At the Yarchei
Kallah, everyone looked forward to his
shiur. And they were on their edge of
their seats saying, okay, what's he
going to say? How is he going to
respond?
>> at a good Yarchei Kallah you're talking
about? Is that a good Yarchei Kallah?
But anytime he spoke, it was just
it was exciting. It was exciting. He
brought an energy and a shlavus and a
simchas HaTorah
that we've seen. I mean, we we had many
Roshei Yeshiva in our house. We had many
rabbonim in the house, and they're all
very chashuv.
Reb Reb Mordechai, it was explosive when
he he engaged with us.
And the other thing that Shimon said
that about the
his his uncanny ability of focusing in
and understanding people.
I spoke to him, and I'm sure Shimon
spoke to him also, um just on personal
things.
And he was able to engage and get down
to the bochur to that level that, wow,
I'm talking to a friend.
And that compassion, that empathy that
he had,
that's that stays with us. If I want to
be a ben Torah, if I want to be a maggid
shiur,
he's the maggid shiur I would like to
be.
That's who you emulate. Yeah. That's
beautiful. Let's go back to the camp. So
cuz I think this is one of the most
interesting thing I did not know about
this. I knew about Russia, but I didn't
know about the camp in Eretz Yisrael.
And it's a big part of his life. Um he
had all the backing of the gedolim in so
many different ways.
Reb Share with us a little bit about
what was this camp?
So the camp, as far as I know, was a
camp which went on for a sometime in the
summer, maybe a week, maybe 10 days.
And here's the interesting fact how Reb
Baruch Mordechai, Roshei Yeshiva they
usually they take time off.
Dacha. He dacha.
But his dacha was being with
uh boys and teenagers which had no
affiliation at all with Yeshiva
and trying to embrace them and engage
them and give them a tam of Yeshiva.
So he had his Yeshiva bochurim, and they
had a matzav there, as we say today.
And his famous uh I guess crescendo was
his his speech that he gave to them, the
famous story with the Netziv, how uh he
said that when he make a siyum, that uh
they would have had a ta'anah if he
would have never written his Meishiv
Davar and his Ha'amek Davar.
And um
and he was an orator.
And people were just staring
and almost uh mesmerized
and caught in his web.
And they went on to be tremendous
talmidei chachamim and frum Yidden.
These are secular or very unaffiliated
with with with Yeshivas.
>> Or definitely people who didn't have the
the bnei Torah experience. Yeah. Um and
they
Yeah, like if you you're you have to
read the book to see this, how he hopped
them with his dynamism 100%.
>> But he'd ask them He'd set up a sugiyah,
a whole scenario, and then there would
be fire, and there would be a fireworks
show between this this And then a bochur
would say a good point. Who said that?
Who said that? To get Reb Baruch
Mordechai's attention, that you said a
good vart, was literally what propelled
the kid to go to Ateres, to go to the
Yeshiva. Just that alone. Just
unbelievable. Super dynamic. It's so
interesting what you were saying before,
Reb Shimon, that he could relate to
anyone, and he knew
The book opens and I'm not going to give
it away in a in a bomb shelter while
they're getting
pounded and he's literally going around
to every type and stripe in in the bomb
shelter and giving them exactly the his
that they need and he's a bocher.
And he's a bocher.
And he just took that and he grew with
it.
Okay, beautiful. What
did did as you became bochurim and
learning and listen, you're 10 and 9,
I'm sure the left goods house 10 and 9
was already a bocher but like 15, 16,
17, 18, did you bring your friends to
the house? Did they did you get did they
get an exposure to Reb Baruch Mordechai
or was it was a left goods family
secret?
You know, definitely our good friends we
we you know, who used to congregate and
Baruch Hashem our house was always
was always
buzzing with
my friends, or Avram's and
so so getting an opportunities to the
the their memories.
It was a interesting story that
I I'm not sure if it's in the book. I
don't know if it made it to the book.
The London School of Jewish Song.
Yigal Salanik. Yeah, of course.
We're all dating ourselves right now,
but it's okay.
The first year that they came, we had
six boys, I believe and um
uh one of the I guess
one of the Yigal's assistants
and at that time
uh
it was a very uh
Hamish atmosphere in the house and um it
ended up that Reb
Reb Baruch Mordechai was
uh um s- was sleeping staying downstairs
and um uh
the London School came that that uh
they flew in on that day and they're
very jet lagged. They were up the whole
night. So, what does a
what do boys do when they um
they have jet lag and they come from
London especially? What's the sport that
they It was about soccer. So, there was
a ball down on the in the basement and
um they started playing and kicking the
ball around.
And Reb Baruch Mordechai was happened to
be in the same area and um
uh one of the boys by mistake kicked the
ball and it landed right on the Reb
Baruch Mordechai.
>> Mordechai. Reb Baruch didn't flinch and
uh he he uh
he he just you could see, you know, some
people would be so can I and more than
night this and that. He wasn't can I. I
believe it was in the restaurant. He
kicked it back or like he he
>> [laughter]
>> That part I don't know if we could talk
about. That part definitely will not be
in the book. Right. We're not Yeah, I'm
not sure if this will even be in the
book. But um but like I said, he was
uh his his his heart, his his presence
was open to everyone. And he when we I
just like to re- I know it's we're we're
reiterating um
he knew what which crowd he knew his
crowd. He knew who to speak to he knew
what to speak about. If it was a good
convention, he knew. If it was Yeshiva
Show Bnei Torah, he knew what to talk he
knew how to talk to them. He just was
able to connect with that group with
that crowd. And
that's that's an unbelievable trait, you
know, when you have a Rosh Yeshiva who's
>> [snorts]
>> you know, you you're you're going to you
feel you feel like you predict what he's
going to say, but not him. He would come
out of nowhere. He'd come up with with
with he'd bring out an idea that that
it's just
you know, but it was for that crowd and
that crowd caught on to it and they they
just it was a You know, one he came to
the curl a number of times in Lakewood
and he spoke for us also in in Brooklyn,
but I remember one time he walked in and
he says, "Okay, what's all heading?" So,
I told him something
and he stopped. He was prepared with
something totally different. And I just
saw him stand there for 30 seconds. Oh,
okay. He had it. He came in and he spoke
to the curly and go light as young go
light, not just generally, you know, he
understood exactly how Shimon how Shimon
was describing him. As we grew older, we
grew a tremendous appreciation and it
was almost like an honor that we had
someone like Reb Baruch Mordechai.
And also I assume you know, when we used
to go there to stroll
you know, he's a Litvish Rosh Yeshiva.
But Melaveh Malkah, do you remember the
Melaveh Malkah?
>> Sure.
He had Melaveh Malkah
>> in the morning. And it was like like a
tish and the the the the just the
niggunim and the uplifting was
>> There was some bochurim there as well
who who played a keyboard.
>> They had a keyboard, they can imagine.
This is Yeshiva, right? You know, a
keyboard, but he he understood that
there's another dimension to Torah or
the most important dimension to Torah
and it's to learn it be simcha.
And it should be which is needed because
like you know, if someone's just going
to learn and not have that enjoyment and
realize that Torah could be exciting
he made it exciting.
His picture is hanging in your shul,
correct? His picture is hanging You want
to talk Share share what I mean.
Shimon, you could say that the table Oh.
Yeah.
Our our dining room table
>> [clears throat]
>> which when we were growing up we were
younger was a was a small table, the
dining room table. And many gedolim
visited. My parents had Baruch Hashem we
were exposed to many many gedolim, Reb
Moshe, Reb Yaakov, Novominsk Rebbe, we
had Reb Ovadia Yosef there and we also
had Reb Baruch Mordechai.
And the table as we grew and the family
grew, so we had a they my parents had to
make a decision whether or not it's
going to be the small table or we should
buy a new table and both my parents
insisted so many gedolim sat at this
table
that uh we should keep it and just
enlarge it. And he had a custom
furniture person enlarge the table and
Reb Baruch Mordechai sat at that table,
that dining room table. Um but besides
that, we have a round table.
And this is really uh something he
inscribed in his farm.
I don't know how many farm did he write
at that round table. So, the round
dining room table and he sat there for
hours and hours. Here's the scene. Reb
Baruch Mordechai gets off the plane,
comes in with his luggage, puts it in
the room and makes a bee line straight
to the table and he sits there for
hours. Do you remember Shimon like
people used to come to visit him? Sure.
And the table they
they stood there. They couldn't
interrupt him. It's like they stood like
10 ft away and he would not be I yeah, I
have to say my recollection I have never
seen him in our house besides maybe
eating at the
in the kitchen table I have never seen
him anywhere else. I've never seen him
on the couch. I've never seen him on the
phone. He was at that round table. This
I'm sure there's a picture there are
pictures in the book of the of him at
that round table.
That was it. That's where we knew I I I
I if you ask me to think of another
another place in our house where he was
it wasn't. He was never there writing on
the table with swarum all opened just
writing and writing and many times
oblivious to what's going on in the
house. Never things could have you know,
kids kids
kids young kids
people coming in and talking. It was
oblivious. He didn't say, you know, like
he didn't request or I need a more
quieter place. He was just closed out to
the world and he wrote and wrote and
wrote. Yeah. And uh Many swarum written.
>> Yeah, sure.
>> Do you know what else um One one second.
So, why is his picture hanging in your
shul? Oh.
Why is his picture hanging in your shul?
So, the table um after my after my
mother passed away so, we had to decide
what we're going to do with the table.
So, I have to give credit to our sister
Rochala
and she said, "You know what? It's
befitting that the table should be in
the curl and continue to do what had
what it did all those years
um enhance and have people sitting there
learning Torah."
So, we brought it into the curl into the
Yitzer. It fit perfectly as if it was
custom made for it. And we wanted the
people to have an appreciation that
they're sitting on Shulchan Orech. Zeh
ha shulchan lifnei Hashem. That's what
it says on the table on the plaque.
>> And there's a picture of all the gedolim
in the table.
And people like it's it's it's a
landmark. Wow, I could touch the table
that Reb Baruch Mordechai learned at.
And and people should know, if you're in
Lakewood or the surrounding towns, they
should come to your shul. What's the
address? Um
Address 940 East Kennedy.
>> 940 East Kennedy. You walk in the ultra
swarum, that table is there and all of
its honor and you can see which gedolim
sat there. I I learned at that table. It
was very special. Oh, you did? Yes, I
learned at that table. So, now I can put
another picture up.
>> [laughter]
>> I have to say
I have to say we've gone on this
conversation probably 15, 20 minutes
maybe.
We didn't mention
much about my father.
Olive Shalom. I think we should we
should
>> how that came I mean, your father
brought him to you. So, let's talk.
>> brought him. My father was his was his
go-to person when it came to
fundraising, when it came to just
guiding him, when it came to the baal
batish velt of how to approach different
people. He signed on loans. My father I
still remember because after he was
nifter, I there was still he had signed
on and he had postdated checks
to uh to the the person who who gave the
loan and um my father was was just his
it was like a brotherly
connection. Really was. Reb Boruch
Mordechai said
I think at the levaya after he was my
best friend.
That's a compliment.
>> friend. Cuz everyone felt that he was
their best friend. You read the book. It
is unbelievable how many people alone
are in the book. And we need to give
credit to Yisroel Besser cuz
there's so much information there's so
many divrei Torah beautiful divrei Torah
in there and he just manages like just
everything just flows so beautifully.
How did the kesher happen between the
Lefkowitzes and Yisroel Besser and Reb
Boruch Mordechai? That's what we need to
know. So I was at a convention
approximately 3 years at the convention.
Yes, around approximately 2 years ago.
And um
I was always in the back of my mind I
said who else is going to
talk about writing a book? So it has to
be us and I mentioned I mentioned to
my brothers I said you know we have to
do something there was such a connection
and he was a he was such a
a special uh
uh a godol
a special
So I said you know but you know how
things go you're moving on in life and
time's moving on. Also Sruly Besser I
was at the convention
doing one of the meals and Sruly Besser
comes over to me as I'm walking
>> [snorts]
>> to I guess I was going to head to the
washing station.
He says Shimon
what's about a book
on Reb Boruch Mordechai?
So I said
I know we're thinking about it but you
know how things go he says you've got to
write it you've got to write it. And
Yisroel Besser and I we go back we you
know I knew his grandfather of course
Reb
Chatzkel
and his father because of my father's
relationships
and so we were we we always met each
other and I said I said Sruly I said you
know I I want to do it.
He says listen
to his credit he says
I don't care if I don't write this book.
I don't have to write this book but this
book has to be written
no qualms about it.
So I said Sruly you are the you are the
star what Reb Boruch Mordechai is to the
godol you are to I I told him he was
sitting here I said you're Klal
Yisroel's pen.
>> [laughter]
>> Ooh that's good I like that line. And I
said you're the person and I
I just
took a step back he said he has such
enthusiasm who else than other than
Sruly Besser should write this book and
I said Sruly let's do it I'm ready we
made the decision right then and there
and a few weeks later you know it just
it just went on but but he was you know
he kept on saying by the way
it doesn't have to be me I said no Sruly
we're doing it we're doing it with you
let's let's get together let's work out
the arrangement and let's go ahead. And
I told him there's one thing I want from
this book exactly what you said a few
minutes a few minutes ago.
When a person finishes reading this book
he's ready close it jumps into the Beis
Medrash and starts learning takes out of
Chaim takes out of takes out of uh
Walks over to his round table and he
sits down and learns. And just learns
and that's what I wanted I want people
to be excited the gishmak of the way he
he he learned he made it so such a
gishmak when he would sit down and I had
occasion to talk to him learning of
course I
talked to him a lot more learning but I
don't know
and and he I was just so excited when I
finished learning with him I said I
can't believe it
everything didn't matter what Sugya
whatever I had a question on something
sat down he made it so gishmak
and I said that's what I want this book
Sruly put
that's if we can accomplish that
it's worth it everything's worth it.
I think that this book is so important
and critical for today's Yeshiva bochur
because it gives them an insight how
someone can learn and have that
excitement and have that gishmak and
it's so important today we get so
distracted with exciting things other
exciting things learning could be
gishmak learning could be something and
you Also Olam Haze it's not just Olam
Haba. Right. Right. Right. And you
you feel it so tangibly it's
unbelievable.
>> Really. It's unbelievable. That's great.
>> And I'm here to say I'm I'm hopeful that
your your hope will be realized and and
your goal as well that Yeshiva bochurim
you know like bottom
will open up the book
and they'll they'll get a hashkafa Torah
and they'll be like you don't have to be
a godol to love learning
and ahava Torah is for everybody and by
the way it's not just for men this book
cuz there's a lot about his rebbetzin
who was a superstar you know rebbetzin
is acronym for rebbe bitzina right? She
was huge part of his hatzlacha and she
herself was a tremendous educator and we
the time is short we should do another
another interview but like
there's a lot a lot of to learn from
this book history people middos divrei
beautiful divrei Torah one after the
next and um
my my advice is buy it um make sure you
block out some time and I don't know if
you'll be able to put it down which is
always a problem with Sruly Besser's
books
and to continue to to inspire us um I'm
>> If I could say one thing just only
because Reb Shimon I always want to
listen to you.
I've got to mention my our mother. You
know what I'm sorry to interrupt but I I
was just going to say the
same [laughter] thing I said we can't
stop before
>> to tell it's a story about my mother.
Mrs. Shoshana Lefkowitz correct? Mrs.
Shoshana Lefkowitz and the middos of Reb
Boruch Mordechai
after my father was nifter
at the Beis Aharon
Reb Boruch Mordechai said
we are not going to stop coming
to we your mother was always
the ba'al habayis of the house
and how could I not I'm not going to
come
because
Reb Yisroel's not here anymore?
I would just devastate her that was her
life when he used to come my mother
would work around her vacations with my
father so that when Reb Boruch
Mordechai's coming we got to be here
because she used to prepare the meals
for him and and whatever he needed set
up the the the room and accommodations.
But he said he said
we cannot I cannot
not come and of course we worked out all
the
the problems if you know whether there
might be yichud and all that stuff but
it all worked out and but he was
insistent that he is going to come what
a what a
middos of a godol.
And uh
that that multi-faceted person who could
be the Rosh Yeshiva the orator the
maggid shiur
and the unbelievable mensch and person
and thinking of the other person's
feeling.
That's something we all could aspire to.
Thank you so much this is a treat it was
a pleasure. Let's get another book out
there so we could do something else or
maybe we should do I don't know episode
two?
Actually I think you so much have a lot
of
Thank you so much. [clears throat]
>> [music]