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The Massechta began with a kasha.
The avid.
What's going on over here? Hackle's
coming to be married or something and
whatever it's coming to be married it
seems to be a contradiction in my
schmoise. Whether that person is allowed
to shack the killer or whether that
person is only allowed to shack the
avid. So the Gamorah said
He turned to the great Rav Ashi and he
told Rav Ashi that I don't hear the
kasha. The whole
but every single time it says the word
is it killer? It says I'm a mirror. It
says
I'm a mirror. Then I wrote and they had
a whole exchange.
>> [laughter]
>> And after an eminent change of back and
forth between Rav Nachman and Rav Ashi
finally Rav Ashi turned to Rav Nachman.
And he told him let me explain to you
what's going on over here.
The reason I felt that you like it in
our mission
means that
despite the fact that you find elsewhere
that it could mean avid is because I was
bothered that if
it means
and
also means avid so then why does the
mission have to repeat itself and say
that whoever this is
or and by the way they could be avid. It
makes more sense that the
kind of the mission is telling me that
this person that's a servant from
the killer and also sometimes only be
the avid and the avid then is to try to
figure out when the killer and when be
avid. But Rav Ashi told Rav Nachman over
let me explain to you where I was coming
from. I'm not tossing casually. What was
bothering me was the words
and that's why I asked the question that
I asked. We mentioned that
So, the base of the to
makes a very subtle but profound deek in
the Gamara.
After Rab Aha bar Rava
gives Rav Ashi a little bit of a run for
his money as it relates to this kasha,
Rav Ashi says, "Let me explain to you
what my kasha was." Rashi says, "Where
was Rav Ashi's kasha?" The Gamara didn't
start with Omar Rav Ashi
rather it started
doesn't share with the effort stomach.
Rav Aha bar Rava heard this kasha. He
turned to Rav Ashi and they had a
shuckle of a dyer. So, what does Rav
Ashi mean when he says, "I'm not
shira kashali." Rav Ashi, you're taking
ownership of this kasha. You're becoming
baal a boss of this kasha. It's not your
kasha.
This is not your kasha. You're defending
the kasha. But, what did Rav Ashi mean
when he said, "I'm not shira kashali."
Toisvis [snorts] says, mashma shira Ashi
is a kasha. It sounds like from the
Gamara
of Rav Ashi I'm not shira kashali that
Rav Ashi was the one that asked the
kasha. But, I don't know if it's so in
the Gamara. Even though when we read the
Gamara in real time it didn't sound that
way. Says Toisvis, "From here there's a
raya shira Rav Ashi see the Gamara. That
Rav Ashi is the one that was masada the
Gamara. And it's for that reason it
makes sense for Rav Ashi to take
ownership of this kasha. I'm not shira
kashali because being that Rav Ashi is
the masada the Gamara either Rav Ashi is
the one asking the question or at the
very least Rav Ashi is the one who's
presenting this question in the seder of
the Gamara. But, Rav Ashi becomes baal a
boss. He becomes the manda omer of this
kasha because he's
the author of the kasha or at the very
least the presenter of the kasha. Hence,
it makes sense that even though it was a
stomach of the Gamara it should be
attributed to Rav Ashi and that's why
mamaduyik where Rav Ashi said, "I'm not
shira kashali."
It's interesting. This identical Sugyan
that you find right here
in
Chulin daf beis amud beis, you find in
another Gemara. This Gemara is in
Maseches Kesubos daf zain amud aleph. So
again, this is a Sugya that's learned in
Yeshivas. It's discussing the very first
Halacha of Maseches Kesubos, which is
besulin
l'yom ha'revi'i. And the Gemara had a
shaila whether or not it's muttar for a
chasan to be bo'el a besula rishona with
a besula on Shabbos or not. The reason
that is because when the dam besulim
happened through that bi'ah rishona,
there is going to be a chabura and
michter chabura. This is something that
a person is not allowed to do on
Shabbos. And this is what's going on. So
I'm just going to pick up one excerpt of
the Gemara. Rav Svid shari l'meval
b'chila b'Shabbos. Rav Svid said that
it's muttar to do bi'ah rishona on
Shabbos. Economically, some say Rav Svid
gufa bo'el b'chila b'Shabbos. That Rav
Svid himself once got married and the
bi'ah rishona was on Shabbos. Rav Yehuda
damri, Rav Yehuda shari l'meval b'chila
b'Yom Tov. He allowed a bi'ah rishona to
happen on Yom Tov. Not Shabbos, Yom Tov.
Omar Rav Pappa mishmei d'Rav Ammar. So
Rav Pappa said in the name of Rav Ammar,
lo teima b'Yom Tov d'shari hu b'Shabbos
asur. When the Gemara says Rav Yehuda
was mattir bi'ah rishona on Yom Tov,
don't think he's coming to be choilek on
Rav Svid. He holds that it's only muttar
on Yom Tov but not on Shabbos. Shabbos
is always much more chamur than Yom Tov.
Tu adin d'bi'ah rishona b'Shabbos nami
shari. Because the oigen Rav Yehuda
would hold it's muttar on Shabbos as
well. Aso, why did it say in the Gemara
Rav Yehuda shari l'meval b'chila b'Yom
Tov? Umaysa shari kacha hu. Because it
was a it was a real story. Rav Yehuda
shari l'meval. He gave a heter.
>> [laughter]
>> And the story happened to happen Yom
Tov. But if the story would have been
Shabbos, he would have issued the same
exact heter. Who said this? Rav Pappa in
the name of Rav Pappa. Mishmei d'Rav
Ammar. Rav Pappa said in the name of Rav
Ammar, b'Yom Tov shari, no. Rav Yehuda
was mattir on Yom Tov. B'Shabbos asur.
But on Shabbos it's going to be asur. So
machlokes is Rav Pappa and papa whether
or not when you were not able to
it was only
a puppy said
my puppy said no beyond the puppy
puppy turns to a puppy and he tells him
why would you hold that there's a
between and
I assume you would hold me to
would say that what do you want to say
that cuz what's the problem with a
there's a
on the other hand you're allowed to make
a
little
we don't be so happy to be with you
all the time
so
you should let me know
if you want to
but I'm happy with this never a time
that you're allowed to make there's no
way
therefore it's going to be awesome so
I'm happy to be happy with you all
the time
it should be to make
so this is old school once upon a time I
don't even like
they used to make
on right these were real
this is the real deal either way he said
it should be
to make on
the
other hand
you have the same
what's the problem with making
the problem is it's
the problem is
I don't
know
I'm always happy to be happy that's your
problem you're saying that if you say me
by a bill that means you should say me
when it comes to
a lot
it's regarding you it says the following
this is one of the foundational
principles in the other definitely when
you discuss the of smoking and showering
the other not for now but either way he
told them the epic words it says
double
I have a trivia question where does it
say that I'm in Vegas I'm in Chavez and
I was
either way it has to be a double that is
and a bill is is a davar shavah l'chol
nefesh, but mugmar is not a davar shavah
l'chol nefesh. So, the Pappas Papi, I
don't understand what he's asking. I
hope it's only mutar not on Shabbos, cuz
it's all predicated on what? It's
predicated on meitach. Are you going to
tell me if you say meitach for a beer
rishonah, you should say meitach with
regards to mugmar halacha? Mugmar has to
be a davar shavah l'chol nefesh. Can't
compare smoking to taking a shower,
right? That would be a contemporary way
of talking about this. But the bottom
line is mugmar halacha, mugmar beer
rishonah is a davar shavah l'chol
nefesh. You say meitach. As opposed to
when it comes to mugmar, that's not a a
davar shavah l'chol nefesh. So, look at
the Gemara. You ready?
Ready?
Amar lei Rav Achai bar Ravah to Rav
Ashi. So, Rav Achai bar Ravah turns to
Rav Ashi. He says, "El mi ata im hazoy?"
If that's the case, and this dam means
tsvi on Yom Tov, if somebody finds a
hesh, a tsvi on Yom Tov, hoyil de'einah
shavah l'chol nefesh, being that eat a
tsvi is not shavah l'chol nefesh, oyil
de'einah also l'mishchatei, maybe you
shouldn't be
allowed to uh shachtei. Meaning, you
tell me a new chiddush that the only
time you say
that something's called ochel nefesh is
if it's shavah l'chol nefesh. So, maybe
you shouldn't be allowed to shachtei a
hesh. Amar lei Rav Ashi turns to Rav
Achai bar Ravah, he told him, "Ano davar
hatzorech l'chol nefesh ka'amino." What
I meant to say was a davar that's
tzorech l'chol nefesh, and tsvi is
tzorech l'chol nefesh, so and tsvi is
shavah l'chol nefesh. We don't need the
sugiyah right now. This is not what
we're learning.
Rav Achai bar Ravah hears this whole
shmuze between Rav Papi and Rav Papi,
and he turns to Rav Ashi, and he asks
him a good kasha. He says, "El mi ata im
hazoy? How do you reconcile tsvi?" So,
Rav Ashi said, "Ano davar hatzorech
l'chol nefesh ka'amino." What I meant to
say was davar What I meant to say Rav
Ashi didn't say one word. We just went
through the entire Gemara, more than we
had to. He didn't say one for a reason.
He didn't say one word did Rav Ashi.
What does he mean when he said "Ano
davar hatzorech l'chol nefesh ka'amino"?
The terutz is, even though Tosafos
doesn't speak of the
it's the same
exact
and that [snorts] is when we come
and that's why just like it's
over here
even though he's not the one that said
it. The truth is
we don't have time for this right now,
but if you take a look at this stuff
like that
in a
with regards to a modern
in the event that she's trying to be
from the
and if you take a look at
that's a in you're going to find the
same exact signal. So at least four
places where this repeats itself. We're
in the middle of a
someone says something to me and I said
let me explain to you what I meant even
though didn't say one word. Oh, but the
it's this
that
we can
actually see that I got it.
If you take a look
on this
from going to
take and sue
uh tomorrow in the
and Rashi on that tomorrow. The over
there says
Rebbi
and
Reb Yona so far. Reb and Reb Yona was so
far. If you take a look at
Rashi says so far so far.
They were the end of the
I do names of
my tomorrow I say to tomorrow was not
written I say to I
bet I'm not in the mattress I say
[laughter] to I'm I say to
I say
to everybody would say whatever you
wanted to say.
The cover
the
the issue
who pay
>> And this is says Rashi, it's a very long
Rashi, what the Gemara means when it
says that Ravina and Rav Ashi was so
fair. So give me a bigger this Rashi
right here is Martin with this taste
this
in the base of the base and that is the
Rav Ashi and in the Gemara you see Rav
Ashi together with Rav Ashi
they were the ones that were
misattributed Gemara.
The truth is
this is an Indian that I believe is
connected to be Marsha
if for no reason other than
Baruch Hashem we do what we do and that
is we learn Talmud Bavli day in day out
rain, snow, or shine and we have a a
taste for stock way in the beginning of
school and that tells us who the author
of the Talmud Bavli is and it is good
day to delve in a little bit. But before
we do that we have to introduce a person
that I believe is one of the most
underrated in him of the late 19th
century and the early 20th century and
that is how going how good all Ruby is
good Isaac
Ruby wits or more popularly known as
Ruby is good Isaac Ruby or even
sometimes simply as
Ruby. [snorts]
So who exactly was Ruby is good Isaac
Ruby?
Ruby is good Isaac Ruby was born in the
1840s in Lita. He was a child prodigy.
At the age of 13 he had enrolled in the
Volozhin Yeshiva and he became a Talmud
movie of the base of the Ruby who was
the Yeshiva or one of the Yeshiva in
Volozhin at the time. As a matter of
fact not only did he become a Talmud
movie of the base of the Ruby but he
became a you did not fish the not show
true with not show at your my side with
the base
son a going a Godel with kind of a levy
soloveitchik. He became best best
friends with Rubenstein.
The
Rubenstein
was an incredible incredible guy. His
kiss was almost surreal.
Not just that, his way of learning, his
mahalik and critical thinking was very
much like that of his grace and rather
than base levy and his
and his father Rubenstein. So this was a
year who had an incredible incredible
because and in addition to the fact that
he had an incredible because he also was
a big London in the very brisk the
original the soloveitchik in the very
very lit vicious sense.
Rubenstein was also very street smart.
He was very politically astute and there
was a feeling amongst the owner that
being that he was blessed with this
kitchen he had to use it for the
class of
in fact if you're familiar with a little
bit of the the Jewish history
of Lithuania specifically of the
original I discussed this briefly this
morning with Sapphire. So original of
course had a Shiva and sometimes more
than
more than one Shiva but there was also a
position that was known as Gabby. So
Gabby today is probably what you would
refer to as the president of the Shiva.
So it was understood that the original
was going to operate with Shiva's but
also had to be someone that was to make
the big decisions and that person had to
be a little bit more worldly and someone
that was more sensitive to the political
ramifications of what the original is
going to do or what the original is not
going to do. The Gabby of the original
Shiva for the last 25 years of its
existence was Rubenstein which by the
way speaks volumes of who he was and how
he was respected in the world and also
with his relationship with Rubenstein
because Rubenstein of course was the
of the Rosh Yeshivas of Volozhin. But
the bottom line is, this was a Yid who
was a great, great gaon, but he was also
someone that had a certain instinct when
it came to understanding worldliness and
politics that transcended him and put
him into a very, very
>> [snorts]
>> unique category. Now, we all know that
the second half of the 19th century was
a very, very dangerous time for the
Jews. If not physically,
certainly spiritually. That was the
height of the Haskalah, and the the the
whole world of
looking at the Torah in a different way
was plowing through all parts of Europe,
and it had even penetrated the olam
ha-yeshivos.
One of the big sakonahs
that was unique to the olam ha-yeshivos
is that there were a few maskilim, whose
names don't have to be mentioned, that
had written history works. And they
started questioning what Yidden always
took for granted. They had this new
scientific method and approach to going
about history, and just because you
heard something from your father, heard
something from his father, doesn't
necessarily mean that we have to take it
at face value. And they started
writing newsletters, which eventually
became multi-volume historical works.
And these works started making their
ways into the schansten and the best
yeshivos.
And there was a big feeling that, even
though we tried to ignore, but at the
same time, this was too powerful, and
something had to be done. There had to
be some counter movement, because if
there's not going to be a counter
movement, you know, who [snorts] knows
what kind of churban is going to take
place.
Just to appreciate it a little bit
better, one of the ideas that were being
very much undermined in these
seforim chitzonim was the origin of the
Talmud, and exactly how things came
about. And it was considered to be very,
very dangerous to people that dedicated
their lives to studying the Talmud.
Regardless,
a group of rabbonim got together and
they decided that we have to be one of
our chevra, one of our people. Ein af
ein
By the way, those works were written by
former Yeshiva guys as well. But, right
now we need one of our chevra to go and
he's going to have to write a work
that's going to counter everything
that's been done. And they decided that
the person that's qualified to do this
is not other than our hero, Rabbi
Yitzchak Halevi. He had the credentials
from a bakius perspective. He had the
credentials from an oiker horim, from a
London perspective. And he also chapped
the matzav. He was very astute. And as a
result, they felt he's the one that
should go ahead and do it. As a matter
of fact, in the letters from Rabbi
Moshe,
>> [laughter]
>> there's a letter where Rabbi Moshe is so
excited when he hears that Rabbi Moshe
Isaac Halevi undertook this
work and he's going to go and he's going
to put something out where he's going to
show the world the truth and he's going
to
give credibility, unfortunately we've
come to this point, to our mesorah and
present the facts the way
that they really happened. Either way,
Rabbi Yitzchak Isaac Halevi, he took the
calling of the Gedolei Yisrael and he
embarked upon this project. And this
project became his magnum opus.
If you know, you know. It's what's known
today as a six-volume work. It's called
the Devarim Shelanu. The Devarim Shelanu
was written by Rabbi Yitzchak Isaac
Halevi. And the purpose of the Devarim
Shelanu was to go and it was to counter.
As a matter of fact, if you go through
Devarim Shelanu, over the years I've
gone through several segments of it.
It's very, very unique. First of all,
it's unique because it's in large part a
polemic. He quotes all the maskilim
sforim that you're not supposed to
learn. And he quotes them chapter and
verse. He had to. It was a rasha. He had
to do what he had to do. And as a
result, it a big chunk of Devarim
is literally quoting all these different
Seforim. Additionally, it's a history
work. So, you talk about classic history
works, Darchei Shmuel comes up in every
single intelligent conversation. But, on
top of that, it's also a real safer
because, as we're about to see, he made
incredible pilpulim and he answered
kashas and he brought rayos. So, you
have to make birchas haTorah before you
learn Darchei Shmuel. Maybe not for the
Seforim component and maybe not for the
Jewish history component, ask your local
rabbi, but there's a lot of pilpul,
there's a lot of Torah, there's a lot of
ray going on in these Seforim and it's
an incredible, incredible work. It was
authored by this great, great gaon who,
really, if you think about it, was
mesiras nefesh to dedicate years of his
life to do this and he did it literally
lehafsir atarah leyoshnah to make sure
that the olam hayeshivos would realize
and they would understand
that, really, their mesorah was the
proper mesorah. Now, it's interesting,
if you go through Darchei Shmuel, so
Rabbi Yitzchak Isaac Halevy was going up
against very formidable opponents,
right? The chevra, again, who we haven't
named, who wrote books, were very
intelligent people. But, at the same
time, Rabbi Yitzchak Isaac Halevy had an
unfair advantage and you see it in one
second and that is he was a much bigger
talmid chacham than they were. It wasn't
even close. So, his level of talmid
chacham is so gadol gadol. You know how
we get excited when we speak out some of
the Reb Chaim Brisker pieces? It's that
level and then merge that with Reb Chaim
Halevy Soloveitchik type of lamdus. So,
the the brilliance of Darchei Shmuel, if
you know where to look, is on a
different planet. And that was, as far
as we were concerned, looking at this
somewhat non-objective observers, it
gave him a tremendous, tremendous unfair
advantage. But, either way, that's what
the Darchei Shmuel is
and that's the introduction. So, believe
it or not, a big chunk of devarim she
ain't deals with who wrote the Gemara.
Now, you can say how could there have
been a debate of who wrote the Gemara?
How could there be a debate? We quoted a
Tosafot in Chullin daf bet, a Rashi in
Bava Metzia pei vav.
By the way, the Ramban in his Hakdamah
to Yad Chazakah, Rav Sherira Gaon in his
famous Iggeres say exactly what Rashi
and Tosafot say, that is that who is
mesader the Gemara? It was Rav Ashi. But
at the end of the day, internal it's In
terms of the chazal, it's one Gemara.
It's the Gemara in Maseches Bava Metzia
daf pei vav amud aleph. And even that
Gemara is a very vague Gemara. The
Gemara says Ravina and Rav Ashi sofrei
rav. What does sofrei rav even mean? It
means they wrote the Gemara? It doesn't
say they wrote the Gemara. It says they
were sofrei rav. So, Rashi says what it
means. But we're dealing with people
that weren't taking what Rashi said as
Torah mi Sinai. And as a result, Rav
Yitzchak Isaac Halevi in his Avodas
Hakodesh, where he, believe it or not,
has to defend this, so he needed to
somehow make the argument, again, using
the scientific approach, that Rav Ashi
wrote the Gemara, because that one blurb
in the Gemara in Bava Metzia pei vav
amud aleph wasn't enough for these
maskilim. And the fact that Rashi and
Tosafot said it, being that it's coming
from that one Gemara as well, they
didn't feel necessarily held that the
level of credibility. And therefore,
even though Rav Yitzchak Isaac Halevi
said it's poshut that I'm a first among
equals,
and if the Ramban writes it in his
Hakdamah, and Rav Sherira Gaon writes it
in his Iggeres, and it's a Rashi, and
it's a Tosafot, that this is the way you
have to learn the Gemara. Rav Ashi
Ravina sofrei rav. It's the teretz of
the teretz of So, it's poshut. It's
poshut that this is what it means. But
at the same time, at the same time, he
was sort of forced to go ahead
and try to come up with some scientific
proof from the Gemara minei ubei
>> [snorts]
>> that Rav Ashi is the one
that Rav Ashi is the one that
wrote the Talmud Bavli.
So, if you have access to the various
This is in chelek aleph, it's starting
from page 562.
You just turn page after page after
page.
Reb Yisrael Salanter made an incredible
observation. An observation that repeats
itself over and over and over again that
it's literally eif shel afar tam.
Just going to start with one Gemara and
then we'll get the gist of it. This is
the Gemara Maseches Kiddushin daf vov.
The Gemara there says [snorts] as
follows, "Pshita uh it's pashut nassan
lo get uh uh uh
a man would go with his wife, give her a
get, and say, "Harei at bas chorin."
You're now a a free woman, right? Sounds
like she needs a get. Lo yamor klum.
It's nothing because "Harei at bas
chorin" is not a loshon of geirushin.
What's the loshon of geirushin? You have
learn Maseches Gittin "Harei at muteres
l'cholin." If somebody would go with his
shifcha and say, "Harei at muteres
l'cholin." And you would say, "Harei at
muteres l'cholin." Lo yamor klum because
what's the loshon of shichrur? "Harei at
bas chorin." "Amor lo leistai." What
would you have if somebody went over to
his wife and said, "Harei at atzmi." You
are to yourself mao. "Mi amrinan?" Do we
say l'malacha kamala? That what he meant
was "Harei at atzmi" that now your
paycheck goes to me, moving forward your
paycheck you can keep for yourself. "I
demo l'gamrei kamala." Or maybe "Harei
at atzmi" means you're not just uh
your paycheck, but it means you're 100%
free, you're severed, you're not going
to be my wife anymore. This is the
Gemara Zevachim. Says the Gemara, "Omer
Ravina l'Rav Ashi." So, Ravina turned to
Rav Ashi and he said, "Tushma, bring
your raya." "Tanya b'Maseches Gittin
"Harei at muteres l'cholin." V'chulu
v'chulu." And that was his raya. Said
Reb Yisrael Salanter, "Why is it that
Ravina said his terutz to Rav Ashi? Why
did he say his terutz? The Gemara should
say, "Omer Ravina, I have a terutz.
Tushma." Doesn't say Ravina just said a
terutz. Ravina went and he said his
terutz to Rav Ashi. Now, bishlama had
Rav Ashi said something previously in
the Sugya that would explain why Rav
Ashi is talking to Ravashi. Ravashi had
said something
or if Ravashi would respond to Ravina
and he would say something after the
fact. That's why we're bringing Ravashi
looping Ravashi into this conversation
cuz he's going to contribute. Ravashi
didn't contribute one thing in that
Gemara in Kiddushin Daf Vav.
There was an Ibaya midat tochma. Ravina
is the one that said the tochma. There's
just one connect Amal lei Ravina lei
Ravashi. They want to know who Ravina
told this tochma to to Ravashi. And
there Rav said that this anomaly
where you have an Amora who's going to
say a teretz to a kasha in a Sugya and
rather than just say it, he's going to
address it to Ravashi despite the fact
that Ravashi wasn't mentioned earlier or
isn't going to be mentioned
later
is something that you find in Sugyas if
you know how to look over and over and
over and over again. He quoted Yoma Daf
Lamed Beis, Menachos Daf Vav,
Shavuos Daf Lamed Vav, Shabbos Daf Chof
Heh, Bava Basra Daf Pey Gimmel. He
quoted Bava Basra Daf Kuf Mem Ches, he
quoted Bava Metzia Daf Tzadik Vav, Yoma
Daf Mem Ches, Bechoros Daf Nun Hey,
Shabbos Daf Kuf Tes, Menachos Daf Lamed
Alef, Menachos Daf Nun Beis, Kiddushin
Daf Chof Alef, Sukkah Daf Mem Alef, Bava
Bava Kama Daf Tzadik, Yoma Daf Chof Hey
over and over and over and over and over
again. Where there's a kasha and an
Amora says it to a different Amora by
the way.
And an Amora whoever that is, it's Rav
Yermiya, it's uh
Rava bar Me Bar Neish, it's Mar bar
Ameimar,
Rav [snorts] Achas Saba. You just go
through these Gemaras. It's always a
different Amora. Every single one is
somebody else. And instead of just
saying the teretz, he says it to
Ravashi. And Ravashi's whole
contribution to the Sugya is that he's
the one he was the recipient. He is the
one that this teretz was told to. And he
said it has no havana. What's the pshet?
He said but it's poshet Cuz if you know
how to learn Gemara, if you're not a
historian, but you're someone that
actually went through every single
Gemara, you will know this. Rav Ashi has
a very unique role in the Gemara, and
that is he was the masader of the Talmud
Bavli. So, when terutzim were being
said, they weren't just being said, they
were being told to Rav Ashi. And the
reason they were being told to Rav Ashi
is because Rav Ashi had this very, very
unique role of being masader of the
Gemara, and being that he had this
unique role of being masader of the
Gemara, so he's collecting terutzim. And
that's why you have all these different
terutzim going and telling these things
to Rav Ashi, they're not telling it to
anybody else. In other words, we have a
Tosafos
that's based on a Gemara that's based on
a base, which we showed is a Gemara in
Kesubos daf zain, which we said is also
a Gemara in Kesubos daf same daf, also a
Gemara in Niddah daf same daf, where Rav
Ashi didn't say a word, and then at the
end of the sugiyah, Rav Ashi finally
said, "This is what I meant to say." I
guess four riots. Murdered four riots up
here, boy Adam Yocham Dover. There's no
question in the world. Rav Yitzchak
Isaac Halevi said, "I'm going to double
down on this Tosafos. I'm going to show
you how many times when even though you
don't have that very unique punchline
where Rav Ashi says, "This is what I
meant to say," but at the same time, the
amei ram are talking to Rav Ashi. And
being that they're talking to Rav Ashi,
it means Rav Ashi plays a very unique
role over here. What's this new unique
role that Rav Ashi's playing? The teretz
is he's the masader of the Gemara. It's
not one line in a Gemara in Bava Metzia
daf same daf that the Maschil could be
mefakpek on. This is the whole Talmud
Bavli. It screams it from the rooftops
that Rav Ashi is the one that was
masader of the Talmud Bavli. I'll tell
you something very interesting. Rav Ari
Bergman
from Lawrence, so he wrote his
dissertation
on Rav Yitzchak Isaac Halevi's Derush
Rishonim. It's called The Formation of
the Talmud. So, it's a synopsis with
a lot of chiddushim of his on this
thesis
of Derush Rishonim, specifically the
formation of the Talmud components.
There's a lot more going on in there in
the series shine him, but he's referring
specifically to this part. On page 117,
he brings this whole Indian. That this
guy is a guy lady made this observation
that you find Sugis with this Akasha and
an Amora is going to say a Teretz and he
tells the Teretz to Rav Ashi. Even Rav
Ashi wasn't mentioned prior, he wasn't
mentioned after. That's what he writes.
He says, "Today, Halevi's assertion can
be proven by computer-assisted research,
which validates his hypothesis. This a
feat not possible in earlier
generations. This author has tested for
similar patterns among the most commonly
quoted Amora. Rav Huna, Rav Chisda, Rav
Yosef, Rabba, Abaye, Rava, Rav Nachman,
Rav Papa, and Ravina. By checking all
instances in which answers were
addressed to them and verifying that
they were previously involved in the
same discussion. The phenomenon Halevi
found for Rav Ashi is not present even
once with any of them. The only Amora
that you're going to find this to, where
there was a Kashna and someone saying a
Teretz and he's addressing the Teretz to
Rav Ash to someone that wasn't mentioned
earlier or later, is going to be Rav
Ashi. And that's because Rav Ashi is the
one that was Masader. Rav Ashi is the
one that was Masader the Talmud Bavli.
So this Dikduk that Tosfos spoke out on
Chullin Daf Beis Amud Beis, which we
showed you see already from other
Gemaras as well. But really there's a
broader and a more general Dikduk and
that Dikduk repeats itself over and over
and over and over and over again. But
I'll tell you one other Dover Nifla
came as shocking news to me that I saw
as I was going through a little bit of
Derech Eretz Shine him. And this is in
Chelek Vav
and this is on page 80.
Who is the one that turned to Rav Ashi
right in the beginning of Maseches
Sukkot? Amalei Rav Aha brei de Rava Rav
Ashi.
Everything twice about the Amora of Aha
brei de Rava?
Abaye, Rava, Rabba, Rav Yosef, Rav
Yochanan and Reish Lakish, right? The
Seder Olam Rabbah that features so
prominently. Rav Aha b. Rava, I mean, we
know it's not the first time we heard
Rav Aha b. Rava.
We've definitely said the words Rav Aha
b. Rava a lot, but have we ever stopped
to meditate a little bit on
on that
name, Rav Aha b. Rava?
>> [snorts]
>> Rav Yitzchak Isaac Halevi says that if
you look, and be'ezrat Hashem we're
going to start finding it a lot. If you
look, you're going to see Rav Aha b.
Rava is mentioned countless times in
Shas. Countless, you can't count,
literally.
>> [snorts]
>> Not just that, almost every time he's
mentioned, he's talking to Rav Ashi.
This idea of Amaleh Rav Aha b. Rava to
Rav Ashi repeats itself close to 100
times in Talmud Bavli, where Rav Aha b.
Rava is not just saying something, but
he's talking directly to Rav Ashi. And
said Rav Yitzchak Isaac Halevi, who Gan
Lo Achshav, you ready for this? Rak Es
Ravina, we used to thinking of Ravina Lo
Im Da L'Yad Rav Ashi. Ravina was the
right-hand man, so to speak, of Rav
Ashi.
But if you know how to look, you're
going to find
the Halacha of the place that is tied
for all the way around that you find
with the sure part and parcel of the
equation.
But in a unique way, Rav Aha b. Rava was
next to him.
In the identical way that Ravina was
next to him.
Rav Aha b. Rava, once you know how to
look, you'll see, was on Rav Ashi's side
in the same exact way as Ravina was on
his side.
It wasn't just Ravina Rav Ashi, it was
Rav Aha b. Rava and Rav Ashi as well. In
fact, when you look at Ravina's
contribution and you look at Rav
Achabrei d'Rava's contribution in the
world of Rabbi Yitzchak Isaac Halevi,
who is the moreh d'asra
pointed by Rav Chaim Ozer Rav Chaim
Brisker of Brisk
to know this inyan, he said, "I'm
telling you Rav Achabrei d'Rava is
literally side by side." And how much
more meaning will that give to sing the
words of Achabrei d'Rava? How much more
meaning will that give to sing
the words "Amalei Rav Achabrei d'Rava"
"Amalei Rav Achabrei d'Rava Ravashi." In
other words, this beginning of Maseches
Chullin,
"Akol shochtin u'chatzilin." Who shochit
doesn't share with the oven? And I wish
fitz over the pshat of them this Gemara
for 2 days. And the Gemara began,
"Amalei Rav Achabrei d'Rava Ravashi."
Achabrei d'Rava, Ravashi. And then
Ravashi at the end says, "Amalei Anash
shochtin u'chatzilin and Tosefos you can
almost miss this Tosefos that almost
launched the Tosefos on the daf. And all
of a sudden the Tosefos throws in over
here that we can't write Ravashi see
that Gemara. And Rav Akiva the sent it
to Ravashi above Mitzvah daf Pev. This
inyan of understanding the names and
appreciating what's going on right here
isn't just a Tosefos insight in terms of
understanding Chullin daf Bais,
but it's a Tosefos insight in terms of
everything that we do. Understanding the
whole seder of the Gemara, understanding
Shas, where
Ravina
and Ravashi and Rav Achabrei d'Rava and
his Chavraya Kadisha they're sitting
down and they're going to write now the
Pirush on Maseches Chullin and they
begin "Akol shochtin u'chatzilin." And
Ravashi who's the head of this Chavraya
he puts it out there "Akol shochtin
u'chatzilin." Who shochit doesn't share
with the oven? What do you mean Ravashi?
Wait, Ravashi puts it out. What's going
on over here? And Rav Achabrei d'Rava
who's always as you're going to see on
his right side, he turns to him and he
says, "What do you mean? The key of Akol
doesn't mean that way." Ravashi says,
"Let me explain it to you." And then
they deliver some contemporary shot to
him like Rav Ashi's own shot and like
Ravina's shot to him and then they even
bring shot to him from the past like
Abaye and Rava. This is all in the seder
of the Shas. Let's be mesader. Let's put
it in writing. Abaye and Rava lived 100
years ago. I understand, but now we're
putting it down. Now we're going to
canonize it for generations. The bottom
line is it's an insight not only in
terms of understanding, in terms of
understanding this gemara right here,
but really it's a davar she yosam in the
klal lalamed al a klal kuloi. It's a way
of understanding the entire klal of
exactly the seder of the Shas. So just
end.
That is so one of the things that you
discover when you learn the story of
Rabbi Yitzchak Isaac Halevy is that as
we mentioned he was someone that was
politically very very sharp and very
respected by all the Gedolei Yisrael
from the Chassidim to the Misnagdim to
the Litvisher to the Polishers to the
Deitcher. He was somebody that was able
to build bridges and was able to unite
Yidden in a very very very unique way.
As a matter of fact, if you know you
know, but Rabbi Yitzchak Isaac Halevy
was also very instrumental in the
founding of Agudas Yisrael.
Ad kedei kach, it's claimed that he's
the one that came up with the name
Agudas Yisrael. He's the one that in one
of his letters said I even have the
name. The name is going to be called
Agudas Yisrael because the objective is
going to be to beat unite all the
Yidden. And if you look at how far he
went to make sure every single Yid was
going to be included in his vision of
what Agudas Yisrael was going to be.
Ultimately not everybody joined to your
dual, but read his letters and you'll
see what he was trying to do. And he
said that's what we're going to call it.
We're going to call it Agudas Yisrael
because we're going to look away from
differences and we're going to make sure
we're going to unite all the different
Yidden. The way Rabbi Aryeh Bergman
concludes his dissertation is that it's
so interesting that the legacy of
Yitzchak Isaac Halevi was the
and a big part of the
maybe the
but a big part of the
was the formation of the Talmud and his
contribution that he gave to
in terms of understanding the Talmud a
few years after Isaac Halevi passed away
at the
which was hosted by
the idea of
came about which further cemented the
contribution and the legend of Isaac
Halevi you know it's interesting in
today's rate Isaac Halevi introduced us
to an
that maybe we never fully appreciated an
unsung hero of the Talmud Bavli of Isaac
the of
I think Isaac Halevi himself is one of
the unsung heroes of Jewish history a
name that the world has forgotten a name
that the world deserves to remember this
was a year that contributed so much to
the of
the way it is today he was a year that
was
at a time when
was at a tremendous corner he
the
of
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of the of the