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Rav Ashi Newman - Dealing With Your Childrens' Schools and Teachers When There Is a Problem At Home
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my own perhaps reasons for credibility
is that the bar hashem and the story
will be told over probably a couple of
times over this weekend as a sham
we had a Kip in berkshire we call her
equip the kid who wear hashem was in
pain so the w is was in pain and we CIT
dismember hashem it's already almost
Rakesh at least three or four years
since Parker Shem things turned around
and hostage him she's married and an
amazing amazing they spent yonder with
us and it's incredible incredible just
to see the issue so on one end I lived
this journey and it's a continuous
journey another hand my profession by by
by what I do as a living as I'm a man
now so I see both sides and if I hope
that I could bring some clarity to this
issue and what I find is many many times
is that as parents were very very
frustrated because we understand our
child and we know intimately what's
going on with that child and a lot of
times we feel that the Han hala whether
it's a man alum and he'll us whether
it's a motor whether it's a Rebbe are
not getting it and they're missing the
point
so I think I think that a lot of times
it's easy for us to say this is why my
child is suffering this is my child is
not succeeding in school and I think we
need to go ahead and say okay what are
we going to do about it so the first
thing I think we have to understand is I
always considered myself a Midna hell
who was always championing the underdog
and sometimes I got a lot of flack for
that because I was always the one that
the child that would get sent out of
class I was always his advocate of her
you know what case I have Tommy them not
tell me those and so I always thought
that I got it that's what I always
thought but until you have a child
that's going through what these chose to
go through you don't really get it so I
think the first thing we have to
understand is whether it's Amanda Heller
Amanda helis whether it's a more
rebby they may be the nicest sweetest
people but they don't get it they just
don't understand and all the
explanations we're gonna tell them will
only get them so far I didn't get it I
thought I did but I didn't get it now I
feel like I got it
and bar Hashem I have a whole different
approach to Hennis than I had before so
once we get that I think we could take a
step back and and and and deal with it
differently it's a different Mahalo
Cantina I mean I think we ourselves can
attest to that did any of us get it
before we got it we didn't
it's called twisted parenting for a
reason right we it's twisted once you
understand it and it's successful it
there is no other language and anyone
else is crazy and we're normal but from
their perspective we're crazy we know
better but they don't borrow some they
should never know that I think the most
important thing we can do is communicate
and sometimes we can do that and I'll
say this again I've had over that over
the past few years Sbrocco shrimp as the
years move on so there are parents that
are aware of my situation and if I've
had parents call me to discuss these
specific issues and one thing I've
always often I've done this is I tell
the parents give them in the helis or
the minal my number and I can talk to
them because I can talk their language
so one thing you can do is it doesn't
have to be me it could be avi it could
be someone else that you or that you
know over that gets it if they can
communicate and understand and it's
amazing how the light pole goes on with
these principles when they realize that
oh I didn't understand that and this is
also something Jenna has come a long way
in the last 20 years there are a lot of
really good principles out there that
really understand that want there are a
lot of them there are some of them that
are not and when you have that difficult
situation you have to deal with it but
many of them really do want to do the
right thing
and we all know that times have changed
and in regular mainstream Hashanah
it's not this it's a whole new world and
we all understand that and I think that
once we have that understanding I think
we deal with it it's a whole it's that
we can deal with it differently what
your child needs is an advocate someone
that's in their corner now a lot of
times that's us and our children have to
know no matter what we are in their
corner we are there for them and we will
do anything for them and a lot of our
children have this mentality and I want
to talk about that for a moment or at
least it's very very shortly why and
that why this happens of it's me against
the world and our children have to know
that we're there for them and we're
there to do anything we can for them it
also helps to have an advocate in school
I'll give you just a little bit of
background
our daughter even though despite the
fact that I am the minal but I'm not in
charge of the girls it's a different
division through her journey she ended
up getting kicked out of school she was
kicked out of school
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it was particularly painful obviously
because you understand you know you're
the man I'll what's going on
dealing with that we had two wonderful
people one in charge of this school one
of them who was really sweet and
understanding didn't understand the
whole if I could do rewind which
percussion we don't do maybe I would
handle things differently maybe I were
to sit down with them and explain to
them I myself was going through it so it
was hard to do but brakesh em everything
happens for a reason I make him inside
the governor punish him put us on this
journey there's another minute Alice who
didn't understand it all but what we did
have was a few very understanding people
in the school
tomorrow's they were makin FS who were a
lifeline for our daughter lifeline
because there was someone there that was
her advocate someone that were only
interested not in what she was learning
but who she was and what she was going
through so that's extremely important to
have someone an ally in the school that
gets your daughter and your son etc I'm
touching a few different topics there
and then again I do want to open up I'm
in a few minutes a lot of parents
struggle with the child that doesn't
want to go to school they just don't
want to go they don't want to get it a
bed they don't want to go so something
very wise that avi always says and again
I'm sure you've all heard this from him
if your child at 103 fever would you
send your kid to school would you force
him and say would you start bribing them
and pleading with them of course not
so of course that's a mindset to
understand that our child is a wholly
nefesh there's something something's
seriously wrong so you have to be in
tune to that you have to listen to them
because it's possible that there's a
reason they don't want to go to school
specifically and there might be
something that happened it might be
something a person that's happening and
you have to listen to them and you have
to really try to be my violin to try to
ascertain exactly what is wrong
another thing is is that as parents we
have a very hard time because we had
this preconceived notion in our head we
had this picture when our child was born
this is what is going to happen our
child is going to be here they're gonna
go to this school they're gonna go to
that seminary they're gonna go to this
yeshiva you're gonna marry this person
and some of the hardest things we have
to do as parents is readjust our
thinking in my own personal situation
are our daughter was asking to go to a
different school and we were not
listening again
that's what to banish unwanted and brush
em the journey is amazing and it was
great but that needs Sheila's calm you
have to ask
that's Torah for this but the main thing
is not to be married to that
preconceived picture you had in your
head again I think all of us understand
that we have to readjust our thinking
and it's not compromising its
understanding in the inner core of our
emunah and and be talking in the Rhenish
room it's understanding that what we
thought was wrong we were wrong and this
new picture is the real picture the one
that's gonna get us to where our child
is supposed to be
I want to share with you just before I
get a little free I wanted to share with
you am I suppose I think this is really
really also very crucial for us without
a moon in be Tahoe without understanding
that every step of the way was
preordained by their benefit just heard
with Shimon Russell talking about
brought me I'm Chi to meet serious of
lad this whole thing was was predestined
for us to go through so sometimes it's
not unusual and it's nothing to be
ashamed of we asked the question and why
we ask the question why and something
I'm gonna hopefully talk about
resolution and Sunday is that we we used
to walk around and see other normal
children and say why what what did we do
wrong what could we have done better why
is it like that why can't it be normal
but it's we understand with the moon if
we talk me and send it there's a picture
here there's a whole journey we're going
through so I want to share with you just
just one my so which I to me spoke very
very strongly to what we're going
through
miles Biederman mentions the story in
his over paisa that there was a rough in
a small town in the oppressed burg that
was doing bris Mila against the
government's wishes they acid it they
did not allow him to do it and he was
doing it anyway one day to deliver its
meal on a Gare and unfortunately the
wound would not close and this person
was bleeding profusely and the rub had a
big problem on a sense because if he
takes this person to the doctor they're
gonna find out that he did the bismillah
and his own life he wasn't worried about
but what would it do for all the people
of his entire town who knows even
surrounding towns could be in trouble
doesn't if he doesn't take him to the
doctor and the person dies faster shown
again it's gonna be a big problem
so if he takes him it's a problem if he
doesn't he didn't know what to do she
went to the Sam cipher in Pressburg and
the Sam surfer told him the only choice
that you have is that you and the gare
should go to the river and jump off a
cliff into the river and be mercy and
nefesh give up your life to save all of
the hidden all the surrounding towns so
I kind of sifakas to everyone if they
would like to jump into the river the
rub was Makabe Ava and the gear was
Macau boba Ava and they went to the
river and before they jumped off to set
Iranian movement I'm assuming we're
ready to do this and suddenly a man
walked by an older man he says what are
you doing we look like really sad didn't
want to tell him the man was insisting
you have to tell me what's wrong they
told him what's going on he said Wow
aren't you lucky I happened to have in
my my bag over here a special bandage
will take care of this care will take
care of him and he'll be healed
so they took care of this person quickly
the door did what he said and Berkeley
chemin stopped the bleeding turned
around and of course the person was gone
and he understood that it was Elio and
Navi that had come as asked was for his
mysterious nefesh he went back to some
savings as rebel if I was gonna be safe
it to Cle own Navi why couldn't you just
tell me I was gonna see her Liana me why
don't you take tell me and obviously
they think he knew the answer before he
asked the question
the some cipher told them that if you
want Gilly Elio if you want to see a
yeshua with that mysterious nephesh you
can't see it after you were willing to
be most inefficient that's the music I
see all of you our children our children
are so so special we know this they are
special missions and we as if it to have
a child that was chosen by the ribosome
to be unbelievably brilliant brilliant
in in in every facet of their being not
just a child that goes along with the
flow who so many do but a childhood
questions a child that is in a shaman at
once and desires and that's when they
get into
because they are thirsting for the
answers to their questions and that's
why they struggle in school because they
ask and when they're told not to ask
they ask more and then they get in
trouble and they resent that because
what they want is the Amis and many
teachers where Hashem again we're
getting better at this because we've
taught teachers if Rashi can say I don't
know then we can say I don't know but
there are many teachers who struggle
with that and they say what kind of
asking or hutzpah Kira etc etc etc all
the worst things possible for a child
who just wants answers because they are
at their inner core M s many of them are
also black and white and we all know
this and it's either right or wrong it's
a hundred percent this way or zero
percent the other way that's also part
of the package but at the inner core
they just want the truth and they get
knocked down and knocked down and
unfortunately that puts them in where
they are but this is also haschke that's
part of what we believe in they're
banished and depression does all this
reason because ultimately these children
are going to be the light of everything
they're the leaders as my daughter says
I was put in this position to help so
many people who work wanted to know and
she thanks to Bernie from every single
day for the Swiss that she had to go
through all the pain that she went
through
that's where oral children are going to
end up as the attitude is man but we
also are going to see this gilli elio
we're gonna see it but in order for us
to see we have to have mr. selfish and I
know that all of you understand what we
do is mr. snappish we give our lives we
give our soul we give every part of our
kishkes to these children
and I could be Mufti R to you that it
will be reciprocated a thousand times
over
even when they can't express it and even
when they can't themselves can't always
see it later on they will tell you that
they appreciated it and they were there
and they appreciate everything that we
do but we need to have that mysterious
nefesh that's the way the question
created the world we talked we just
heard we Shimon Russell in order for a
marriage to work it needs me serious
nephesh that's what mysterious nefesh to
me mysterious never shouldn't mean
willing to jump off a cliff
we serious that means giving over your
what you want for someone else so I
think that's important but there's also
another aspect I want to talk about want
to make sure that I have time for
questions at the end okay good I'll get
about five more minutes I just want to
just a couple more things in most
situations our children who are
struggling were once our should say are
the most brilliant gifted and we're
doing great and then the wheels came off
into other situations it's because of a
learning disability perhaps but in other
ways they were brilliant and gifted
because they brush em that's the British
rim creates us each one of us has miles
and Coronas and therefore they were
gifted in some way and all of a sudden
they stronger and they're struggling and
these are children that they know how
good they are they know how talented
they are and it pains them to no end
that they're having such a lack of at
Slava and it's a cycle that gets worse
and worse because the more frustrated
they get the more they act out and the
more trouble they get into and it just
makes it worse it's really important
that our children have the hybrid Satomi
them to presents and says that a person
has to have hot slaw a child needs to
have things that they're successful at
in order to feel good about themselves
in the secular world they hold Islands
of competence that's what they call it
so our children who are so gifted are
suddenly struggling so if you can find
something in school where they're good
at where they can thrive
that is so so very important let's say
that situation is not possible after
meeting with the principal and
discussing it because that's really
really important as we said sitting down
with them in a helman Alice and talking
about trying to paint the picture for
them to understand where we're coming
from if it can't be in school should be
somewhere else it could be after school
there could be and most of these kids
love our children these are kids who
want so much to give it's what
special-needs children if they can have
that little hour a day of feeling that
they're successful it pays dividends way
down the road it's so so important to do
I said before again if some people came
in late if you can't convey this you
know I make available to anyone that
once my telephone number I'm always
available to speak to the administration
to try to get them to understand I had a
situation of six months ago with a pet
with it with with parents that call me
we called the Mara helis she was
fantastic changed the whole schedule one
thing that principals struggle with and
and and I understand where they're
coming from is because I think we should
look at it ourselves one of the
questions parents always ask is what's
it going to do to the other children in
the family if we do this house it can
affect or think it's oberkugen once
you're doing TV for a long time you
realize it only helps but for man for
principal it's understandable they're
worried what kind of harsh ba is this
child can have on other people they have
responsibility in that at times behind
the scenes their parents pressuring so
we have to be sensitive to that too but
at the end of the day at the end of the
day we need to advocate for our child
and if our child can be in school they
should be in school we talked about
before I have make sure it's the right
school but if they can be in school they
should be if they don't want to go to
school so that's the situation we have
to handle on a day to day basis you
can't force them like we said but at the
same time we have to be listening to
them and try to encourage them as much
as possible
as far as again going back to the Shimon
Russell we a husband and a wife have to
be on the same page I can tell you as
sitting as a minal sometimes at meetings
and regular mainstream Ahana when
parents are not on the same page it's
very obvious and the child suffers in
this situation it's even more extreme we
have to have united approach to what we
want the Manalapan tell us to do I want
to finish with one thing I recently
wrote this you may have read it's
possible I know that I'll be sent it out
but I think this is so again a lot of
times you see something and it talks to
you this this talk to me all sort of
mild sweet have been on Pesach wrote
this is foul she said that a lot of
times we sit at the Seder and we take
the lady matzah the middle mats then we
break it in half
and we put the bigger piece away and a
person who doesn't know the end of the
story sits at the Seder and cries obey
its poor piece of matzah it's broken in
half hidden hidden away who knows where
it is everyone's running around and
handling it which have made even you up
and what that means it's being handled
by this person that person this person
that you don't know what is gonna be and
a person doesn't know they're safe mice
it doesn't know the under the story
could feel bad for this poor piece of
life you came in what's going on what
happens at the end after you come in
comes back to the Seder it's the most
hush of all no matzah sits as a clock
urban pest has the last and we eat it's
the thing that stays with us for an
entire year so I thought isn't this
exactly what we go through our biggest
piece our most precious child it's
broken
taken away it's not leaving and leading
a normal life isolated who knows who has
it a little but the end of the day
Ezra Chevy spark see out the dish Maya
what's gonna be is this piece this child
is going to be the most harsh of of all
the one that's gonna light the way for
everyone else but my experience is what
happens everyone gets presents from the
afikomen
these children is precious precious
Nokomis give all of us the greatest gift
and I have thanked my daughter over and
over and over again for giving us this
Montana of being able to become better
people to understand other people better
our children all grew from this
incredible journey each one of them is a
better person because of it and the
brach is that all of us should
understand it's so painful along the way
but we know that from pain comes growth
and from growth comes the ultimate
yushua
so it's painful it's difficult
understandably but the beneficial bench
each and every one with it just like we
saw our you sure they weren't eventually
also you'll see your you shoe as well
and along the way we have to make that
inch tablets to fight for our children
to believe in our children to accept our
children to love our children not
despite as if sherman Russell said not
despite but because of what they're
going through how brave are our children
then of putting up with so much pain and
so much suffering and they get up and
they work and they try and failure after
fair but they're continuing to go
because that's where they are so we have
to be marketed and appreciate that and
burnish your benches all with tremendous
issues now I'll take some questions
perhaps once that gonna just yeah okay
good because you asked me before so yeah
she's not happy so yeah okay mm-hmm
right okay
I know we have to listen to them but can
teachers are like make them abet them
they just I continue another one here
and maybe we'll think of a seminary
disability mr. they are - already
because you kind of like throw anything
it's sad I was like why don't you
anything
working
I'm trying -
why why are you so insistent that you
should finish up one more year why what
and another school is not an option
oh you took my just for the rest of this
year you say okay okay right
right here time within the last six
weeks of school that's what you're
that's what the questions so we talked
about little so we talked about
listening right you have to find out why
she doesn't want is it just because I is
it just because she doesn't like the
teacher she looks like or is it
something deeper than that there's
nothing deeper yeah that's that's well
that's what you have to be number one
thing you have to be we're wary of is is
there any deep reason why she doesn't
want to be there if there is then you
can't you can't
very judgmental probably not everyone
right
because of our situation let's let's
play the other end what happens if she
doesn't go back to school four six six
what happens because of what people will
say because of
some other people that
right
right so and so I don't know your
daughter so I'm answer this again anyway
I always you know I always tell people
like they're you know they have the
attend them on the roundtable clinic
discussions it's really it's very
superficial because unless you know the
situation you can't really answer a
Shila it's not possible so not knowing
you do it I can't really answer chef I
just want to say is this you have to be
- for hiker yourself to make sure that
you have no that you have to take
yourself out of it make sure there's
nothing to do with what you want and
what your daughter wants because no
that's all I'm saying
I'm saying is if we're worried about
when we make a decision about a child
they have to make sure that it's not
because of what it will look like
because of us but because it was a child
that sounds like it's very important
because we're all negated of it we have
to be but we have to make sure the
decision we make is in the child's best
interest not a kit so then a regular
clinic yes that you could assist you
finish this is six weeks briber if you
need to it's nothing wrong with that and
once that's where Schmoll kamenetsky
once about bribing and right he says if
you can afford it do it there's nothing
wrong with that give the money whatever
it is no problem at all he's on my face
if I have the money i bribe every kid in
my TV told me so there's nothing wrong
with that if it's a regular child you
can insist you can bribe and finish the
six weeks but just to make sure that you
that all the eyes that make sure that
you verify could really really analyze
it to make sure that it's a regular
normal typical situation just because of
what it is and you can and also be
empathetic I understand what you're
going through
if I had to do this I would also suffer
but it's six weeks it's six weeks we can
do this we can do this together and
every day she comes home and appreciate
what she's doing with yeah if that's the
situation I 100% yes whistle
teachers always right right right yes
okay it's a very good question okay so
what I would says is false 100 I think
we all grew up with that you know I
found that years later that my mother
would always find later on would make
the phone call they didn't even tell us
that they did it because in those days
you know we were growing up it is what
it was you have to deal with it a child
does need to know that you listen to
them so the first thing is you sit and
listen to exactly what happened the
first words out of your mouth shouldn't
be the Rebbe who's right the for instant
of 30 words this schaeffler tell me
exactly what happened
just tell me what happened I I the
empathy is real we're gonna get has to
be real
it can't be fake it has to be real I
really do flew it but one thing we have
to understand is and there's nothing
wrong with saying this is that the Rebbe
or the MOU are human beings the human
beings it's possible they made a mistake
it's very possible that's not okay and
the cover of the rough of the Rebbe oh
that's not and hopefully again this is
something we're trying to educate our
bayum and Mauro's to say we made a
mistake I'm sorry those two words are
the most empowering words and not
weakness its strength in children
respect strength so you could have that
conversation and say it's possible there
was a mistake mate it's possible this is
what we're gonna do okay I'm gonna call
the Rebbe the more I'm gonna call and
I'm gonna have a conversation with them
but one thing we have to understand is
that even when a rebel motor makes a
mistake we don't lose our hearts we
still maintain our respect because
that's position of authority that's
that's what the other exception for took
my red memory there are you know there
are mana so we have to respect that but
I think it's important that the child
understands that you have their back you
understand where they're coming from and
you will deal with it at the end of the
day sometimes they're wrong and they
could be wrong too but yes that I don't
think there's anything wrong with
approaching it that way yes
the point about how many kids are
seeking the truth yes so a lot of those
kids tend to go off with arabela's yeah
post post going through a dropper yeah
sure so how would you say is the best
way to initiate a way where we can
educate the masses right right more and
more schools are doing that I think we
have to be careful about that is because
you have to make sure the person who's
doing it has two qualities the one is
confidentiality the children can't be
afraid that the question they asked is
going to get back to the Manal mentalis
the Manalapan ellis have to appreciate
the fact that they're not going to know
who asked the question a lot of schools
they want to do the right thing but then
they'll come back to the child and say
we heard you asked this question and the
kids shattered I'm never gonna ask again
and then it's too late
you know Ward will take years to repair
the damage so you have to make sure that
it has to be person who will be
confidential has the ability to do that
to tell the principal I'm not telling
you who asked what this is a time for
the kids that be able to ask also have
to be a person who's honest obviously
qualified to answer the questions honest
and also that relates to the kids
because the kids need to know that they
can relate to that person to ask so
those are very important qualities more
and more schools are doing it and if
it's done right it's a fantastic
fantastic some schools do it like once a
month
some schools bring someone in which is
also helpful but it has to be a hundred
percent yeah I think we're getting there
we're definitely getting there because
children they just want enough
as I'll put down because those questions
that were irregular tasks you know and
you really just wanted the truth you
weren't doing anything wrong you just
miss information right we're starting to
get that now and mid-session let's hope
we can all fix that but yes that that's
it that's what has to happen the kids
need to be able to ask and it's not a
problem what other kids are hearing a
hundred percent we're not we should be
embarrassed and you shouldn't there's
nothing wrong so we're thing you know
it's a great question I'll get back to
you tomorrow we all do that with regular
person that's a cautionary key beggar
can't say you know I'll get back to one
same things we can ask our folk in to
the same thing yes
Shiba
right
he's upset by what he saw
I feel bad so they drop off going to
apology no and he that hurts him so he's
having his own struggle
you're 12 you
watching they do about them
who wants to do something about
yes
learning and he's there till the end of
the day so if he's coming at so when my
sons
great yesterday I got a call call
and
right so some of the things that we
talked about earlier will be very
helpful to sit down because again where
he's coming with us when I was coming
from he doesn't understand right
you know it again yes you do right so in
most situations like for example it
again and this is like such a typical
example if a child was ill and had to go
to the hospital every morning for
treatment with the man I'll be afraid of
what this going to affect the other
children of course not because everyone
understands that most situations other
children do not look at a kid coming
late and say oh I think I'm gonna do the
same thing they want it but I mean I'll
scared it's it's a fear but it's not
usually an unrealistic one it's an
unrealistic fair if throughout the
asylum has always been kids will come
earlier comes came late that's way it is
I think that the Manila students and the
the depth of why it's so important not
to alienate yourself you have to
understand that we're dealing with
something which is very serious and and
the more he understands that the better
off we'll be in again this is one of
situations where I have no problem
conversing with this manner how
hopefully again I don't know when it
comes to I'm not so but kind but the
hasidic eylem you know with the
literature him does manam I know most of
them but I think that it's more than
when I was trying to do his job but his
driver also is to make sure that your
son is it's taken care from the right
way and forcing him to come is not going
to help and in most situations that will
not affect anyone else
no you can always tell my tell me them
you don't understand a lot of times I'll
make one say why didn't I get the
dissing you don't know what other things
are in place you don't know which other
consequences or not consequences or so I
tell each child each child is depressed
if you walk past a hospital room I
thought might tell me this all the time
and you see this person getting a shot
and you're getting a shot and that one's
not getting a shot you wouldn't ask such
a question cuz you understand that every
person is it there every child is
different and if a child does want to
know from there now we're doing other
things with this Thomas there are other
things and that's it's not what's
business but again you just you know
what's important and you know how
critical this is and you have to anyway
you can't convey to the panel thank you
very much a good nourish I was scared