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rami welcome to the show thank you so
much for being with us
thank you it's honor for me and it's a
double time honor
a privilege to be on a show
thank you tell us a little bit about
your service i know that
you know you served in the army at an
incredibly high unit
share us a little bit about you know a
little bit about you and your service
that we can get a better appreciation
for
for what what the service you've done
for the jewish people through israel
so first of all we have to remember i am
quite an alta kaka
probably everyone on the show understand
this word
sure for sure i was born in
53 in the kibbutz up north of israel
it was only 500 meters from the syrian
border
till 67 quite often the syrians
shouldn't
into the kibbutz like now around gada
on my childhood i grew up
of course in a different time but
more or less the same the shelter
was the second house wow
and so so i grow and suction understand
such a atmosphere so i can understand
very much what happened on the all the
settlement the kibbutzim and mushavin
around
the gaza strip so that was the
atmosphere where i grew up
after 67 the palestinians started to
rock it first of all you know it was up
north
only an hour ago the rocket for four
rockets from lebanon to the north part
of israel so
i grew up in a very
military tension at my childhood
and then 72 i joined the most elite unit
on the israeli
army now we can say the world
when i was soldiers 72
nobody should say the word on their lips
we always cheat if someone asked where
do you serve
so i have to say different answer but
not to say the word
say when i sir
how come i became an officer
at sierra madquel and i served there
for eight years wow and then of course
in the reserve
for oh not for better to say until the
age of 50
as an officer and somehow life
took me not always we can plan something
sometime it's happened
and at 76
i was on the front of fighting with the
terrorists in antebe
when we release 104
ostriches from the terminal over there
in
in antebe so i was an officer commander
on those
of the unit and
for years i knew that i was there
but then in 2016
we prepare for celebrating 40 years of
anniversary
for the success of the releasing the
ostriches
and somehow as again
you have a plan and him
has a different plan for you and
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i got a invitation from copenhagen
denmark
to share the story and since then for
the last four years
i was around the world when i said
around the world from the most west side
of
america canada to most east side
australia new zealand far east
of course all part of most of the
australia the america big cities
and i share the story for jewish
community
from the most orthodox community to the
most
the formic israeli who live in america
schools youth movement whatever
and christians who support israel as
well
and why i mentioned it
this jury because
it changed me a lot it wasn't just a
story
it gave me an opportunity to see
something which i couldn't see
when i was mostly in israel
i started to ask myself why
so many jews
from a different part of the jewish
spectrum
wanted to listen to this story because
most of them from the middle-aged
app they know the story they saw the
movies and
whatever so while they asked me to come
there is no organization who sent me
over the community asked me to come
yeah and he started to ask myself and
then i
asked because i was
wondering why i asked the people
who sat in the front of me sometimes
50 sometimes 500 why do you arrive
why do you live home
to listen to the story that you know
and slowly slowly i understood
something more clear
that there is there is two stories
one it's a israeli story about
the antebe operation and it's standing
mostly about the army
about the way that how we flew over
and how we release the ostriches and the
how we kill the terrorists etc
etc it's a very military
view on the operation while
for jews especially doesn't matter
what is their background
the operation
show them the connection between the
state of israel
and the jewish world the jewish
communities
the importance of the connection of the
connection that we are one family as you
said
that we are one nation
what is mean mutual responsibility in
many different ways it's not only
word it's subsidy so many
little things when you ask me to share
the story
it's just one little way to represent
it that we are one family and
i understood that
is our power we are only
15 million more or less
the only way to survive is by being
together to remind
us that we are standing
together here in israel in new york
wherever we are and it's not easy
as the life of jews it's not easy
way of living but still
i feel yeah that is the way and that is
my
inspiration and that is my motivation
and that's why i'm
so honored to be
together with you charlie thank you
thank you and and we feel that way it's
interesting whenever i get a chance to
speak to the soldiers
when i go to israel i always remind them
that they're not
soldiers for the for the state of israel
they're soldiers for the jewish people
and that's a bigger it's a bigger group
of people
and there are people from all over the
world
that have never been to israel or have
been to israel very
infrequently that that looks at the
israeli army
with pride and praise for them
and even right now what's going on in
gaza that
is constantly praying for the hell you
go you go to
synagogues across america and across the
world they're going to say amish
and a lot many of them never met hailey
it doesn't matter you're part of the
same family
what's what i'd love to ask you we'll be
a few minutes that i want to just sort
of delve in and of course
um there's so many pieces of the story
though now i want to talk to you about
courage about what it's like to be
how old were you there you couldn't have
been more than 20 20
how old was 23 you were 23
what was it like if you could just take
us into your mind when you're
on the plane no and tabby is
i mean are you kidding aunt hebby like
i always and heavy like i i i feel like
i know everyone
you know when you land and they shut the
lights off i mean i i've only seen this
story a hundred times you know say like
again debbie like
part of our history it's part of our
history if there was a holiday on
interviews
i'm saying like even exactly every piece
of ant
is in the brains of of of of us
when you're in the plane and you're
landing
right and if i remember the story they
there was a there was an issue and you
had to land
earlier and you took the lights and
there was it wasn't an easy even landing
but as you're coming down
how do you get the courage to do this
how do you have it's one thing to train
but where does the courage come from to
be able to
take on these missions that are so
dangerous
that are so high risk
at 23 years old it's a very good
question
and i'm not sure if i got a clear answer
for that
but at least i will try to
contain and focus on the
answer of what you ask i think first of
all
i grew up in the kibbutz where i was
born
in an atmosphere that
we should do whatever we could
for the state of israel
and if it's in your blood in your
gin this word it gives you
something to stand on your foot whatever
you are it's game for to the
idf through the army of israel
to fight against syria
and egypt in 73 war yeah
for young soldiers to drove
towards the fire and
they killed
but
they
defends the state the family
their friends it's mostly or my
childhood
i just read write something now about it
so that's the first thing the second
thing
which i think it was
gave me courage gave me some strength to
to do it
that years before
not in such a difficult
operation but in israel
almost everyone i found myself fighting
against terrorists
so you should run into hotel in tel aviv
probably your members
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or whatever so to be in a
just duration
without to act it's
strange you to fight against unknown
situation unknown people i didn't know
how that looked like africa not only the
ugandan army
soldiers it was the first time i was in
africa
right right so that is the second
thing the shared thing
i think it helped me a lot because
personally because i was in a duty
over there as an operation
commander i was occupied
so much by thinking what
i've got what i have to tell to other
before
what i have to do so and so so if you
are
active and not free of
thinking it helps you to
cross the fear right
you're thinking about what you have to
do you're not worried about your fear we
ask all the soldiers
the world field wasn't on the table we
asked
all the soldiers each one of them
who were on the four elkholes
they would like to be there as
in
that he is not feeling well
we understand and we took to
the last station before we flew down to
entebbe we took
extra soldiers in case someone would be
not in it
well enough to be on a plane
so only one out from
almost 240 who landed in antebe it's
nothing
and the extra soldiers who wanted to
be on the operation
was a waiting list much longer
than the people who are waiting for
their vaccine
wow so there were 240 soldiers that went
down to entebbe
yes 40 they were cru
40 air crew 12 doctors
md doctors and paramedics
and about 280
soldiers wow so what
down in entebbe if we can just do a
little bit more on end tubby down in
antebe
what was it like when you were when you
and you landed and there was confusion
everywhere was it just
following orders that you didn't know
where anybody was
how did the i mean i know it's a very
complicated operation we don't have that
much time but
i guess can you show us a little bit you
know
what was going on once you landed just
to that before you had those soldiers
before you had those
um those hostages in your hands was it
chaos or did everything go according to
plan like what happened
if you could share this a little bit i
know it's such a compliment i will tell
you
but i have an idea charlie
might be on the shabbat show
on mota esha but once very close to the
4th of july
this year when it will be 4
45 diversity for the operation
we will do a shabbat show and what's a
shabbat show
when i give a full story about it
might be it's a good idea it's a great
idea
around the world yes maybe we can
add this and we can make
great give a chance
to make others what do you think about
it i love it
i love it is it a good idea i love it
i love it yes
we can do it and it will be very very
successful because
for many in under
30 under 35
there is a chance to listen to someone
who
was on the ground over there i was
landing on the first hercules who were
landed in
antebe and as we stop
by the end of the runway we went
out only 33 soldiers on the front was
the black mercedes
everyone know the story how he
tried to cheat the terrorists
i was on a land rover jeep behind the
mercedes
so very much on the front and
the first minute
sharma which is a context and
explain why but the atmosphere
over there in antebe it was so
beautiful night
a lot of stars full moon
quiet it wasn't a feeling that
we are landing in an enemy
land it was a beauty
and relaxing after very
many hours of flying which is very
difficult flight we haven't got
enough time to talk about it just to be
out
to refresh air everywhere was green
you know in the middle of the summer in
bengal hospital everything is brown and
dry
and over there it was green parlor trees
grass
besides the road beautiful
night and i so enjoyed just to be
it wasn't just thinking okay in a
second or two we are going to fight but
to enjoy
and that is i can't understand the
the you know the shifting for
one thing to another
in a minute or two unbelievable so
that that that was that time
and when we met two london soldiers
on a road and
it was a bit disgusting now it's not
time to
discuss this but immediately
everything changed in my
head i felt
that i we are going to
fall it's going to be a
catastrophe again as it happened a year
before when we tried to save
life of high school students on a
northern
city in israel called ma lot and
unfortunately 20 almost 25 high school
students they were killed
and we felt 25
high school students teenagers they were
killed and now
i thought it's going to to be happened
again because we
meet the ugandan soldiers who surround
their terminal but
we drove we stopped the cars
next to the main doors and it was quiet
the surprise of the ugandan soldiers
and the terrorists and the ostriches
and the ugandan in the control
tower was the key
for succeed on the operation
wow the part and i can say
today you know if you are
at ease and not believe in god
so what you say it was a good luck
right and if you believe it was a end of
god
so in a meaning
it's just the same it was something that
you couldn't understand how that could
happen to be in the front
of the main door of the ostriches in a
second we should run
into the all
and now it's a question who is killing
who
who is killing first we knew from our
experience
the moment the terrorists will recognize
that we are there
the first action would be to kill the
hostages
experience we knew that
so the the question who is shooting
first
it's another key and the surprise it's
helped you to be the first one
and it took only about five to
seven minutes where most of the
terrorists
in the ugandan who were around they were
killed
and after 52 minutes only
from the moment the first aircraft
landed in a in antebe where
i was the fair hercules with the
ostriches
took off for mantebe
on the way back home only 52 minutes
wow all the operation which you are
still remember
took about 52 minutes and
from that point i would like to put one
maybe two important
story a jewish story because we are on
shabbat show
first of all i'm a second generation
of holocaust survivors
my parents lost most of their family
in poland during world war ii
and my last duty
was to lead the ostriches from the old
terminal to the plan who wait
to take them out and to see
to see ostriches
walking out with personal bed
some of them without shoes the mother
hold the baby
on their hand immediately the story
of the jews who walk to where
the crematorium will arrive
best train to auschwitz either tropical
and whatever
awake in my head but
together with a very
warm feeling of now we are
different now we are soldiers
of the israeli army of the state of
israel
the jewish state and we are here
to save life which is a very much a
jewish statement
we are saving life and not killing and
to be
there to lead the ostriches
wow i was so happy
to be on the ground it wasn't a question
of fear in
every second someone could open fire it
was dark around
but i was full of
purpose feeling that it's a
reason to do so
to take part of bring
the ostriches the jewish order that the
air crew the french herku back home
to their family and and i was lucky
to take power in such operation so
somehow you know god put me
over there and on the way back
the only thing what run in my head do
you know what was it
i fall asleep i was so tired
no time to think about the operation not
time to recognize what happened
just i fall asleep it was such an
intense
week we couldn't even thinking about
what next i just fall asleep wow
wow great the human aspect of it
so great on
2016 one thing before
and i would like to put it's very
important to me
in 2016 we gave a book
to the president of israel
ruby rivlin and i wrote
some word on the back page
and the last sentence was
i flew to antebe as the israeli
at the kibbutznik as a sabra
and i flew back for montebe
as a jew but it took me 40 years to
understand
the meaning wow
what a statement and and it's so
moving to hear you say it this way how
an operation in israel has so much
greater meaning
than just the people that went because
what you were doing really is what you
said it was
it was the purpose of the jewish people
to take care of each other
to stand up for each other to use
what hashem gives us to take care of
those that are
that are stuck and you're right you and
that's by the way why i watched the
story of my whole youth
it was because it's not an israeli story
it's a jewish story
it's a jewish story and it's a jewish
story especially
the generation after the holocaust
because we're
what you did in england
yeah and what's so special about
entebbias
it's relevant for today in many aspects
we can discuss that now we are recorded
for
shabbat show but yeah i
would be happy to discuss a few aspects
which
came out from yeah my experience in the
last year unfortunately
the virus stopped me in cape town
south africa and i was stuck here
who knows yeah what will be the
right time to go again to the world and
hopefully if you will find it a
practical or
the project inspire might be we can do
and what's a shabbat
show to give a lecture yeah so
first i want to thank you for coming
thank you for being with us
um thank you for what you do thank you
for your service and for being an
inspiration to all of us
um and i wish you uh shabbat shalom and
i also wish you
only good things for admiration
thank you and one question
one word i would like to say
about the situation that we are now
here in israel we can't just talk about
what happened 45 years ago
it's a time when we
should in many different ways to remind
ourselves everyone who want to stand for
the jewish people who want to stand
together with the
jews in israel who want to stand
with the jewish nation to be together
that is the only way it's not an easy
time
though in many aspects the world
criticizes us
not the official pity by the people on
the street
yeah and we should stand together
and pray together and be practiced
together
amen you're 100
i would like to say to tell to the
people which
unknown people but i know there would be
people on shabbat show
in some aspect you are on the front
and not me and not my people because in
some
aspect the front it's over there on the
media
on the street on the
show and we should
be together to tell their people that
we are not the devil on the earth amen
i we agree 100 percent and we need to
stand together especially now
thank you so much thank you so much to
meet your friend
nice to meet you yeah it's a privilege
my honor
totally my honor you're a hero you're
kidding you're right here right
now no please
don't use this word i'm a normal man
i am not a hero don't use it okay
thank you bye thank you bye thanks so
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