Rambam Mishenh Torah: Hilchos Avodas Kochavim Chapter 2 - Q & A

the yeshiva.net [Music] what would be the reason that uh amigadev is different that they place their hands that place their hands on him so there's one explanation that's given by the vilnigan in aldera celia and precious emery and he says it's similar to him kippur where the cayenne goddess places both of his hands on the scapegoat on the story that's going on zozo the positive says for some iron both of his hands on the goat that's alive and he so to speak it becomes the scapegoat or the goat that really carries so to speak all of the sins of the jewish people so the vilnigan says that this megadeth didn't only sin himself he caused so many other jews to engage in some form of in some sort of blasphemy because the witnesses heard it the witnesses then had to repeat it the last day before the verdict that they repeated to the court and the the day on them had to hear it so this man also caused them to sin so that is what they're placing so to speak on his on him that's what the villenegon explains in aldera the emmer gives another very interesting reason and i'm going to open it up to the end of parish's emir where we speak about the nike of shame hashem it's a maharal type of explanation which means it's a little complicated and a little abstract but i'm going to read it to you the guerrari guerriere parshas emmer morale says as follows all the punishments in toyota i'm going to explain a little bit all the punishments in today are essentially a reflection of the sin the punishments are not given in a vacuum they essentially represent the physical manifestation of the sin which is an incredible incredible idea he says somebody violates shabbos there can also be a death penalty but over there they will not say your blood is on your head why because it's based in that killed him he didn't kill himself he did something that caused them to be killed so you're not going to say his blood is mamish on his head but he said when somebody is mavari hashem when somebody is blasphemous he says there is no stronger there's no more stringent sin why should ahu pagan be he basically destroys he undermines the essence of everything it's the core of everything remember as i said before hashem it's called it's the essence of everything hashem is reality it's the essence of everything it's not even that he added another god you know trinity he he's adding another god to god you know god needs partners that's not what he's doing my god hashem is he's actually like you know he's he's cursing hashem he wants he wants god out he wants god to cease to exist right i think he said if there is a god then i would want to be god you know why is he god why is the why is he the powerful one of course very deep misunderstanding of what god is so he says so in a way megadeth is even deeper than avail zara because this of placing the hands on the head of the person doesn't exist even by the desire so he says that's why they say you caused it because here the miss is not coming from besdon that they judged you to be dead but rather kevin shachat but rather this person sinned a type of sin that is the worst sin there's no sin that is deeper than this there's no sin that is more powerful than this so essentially he detached himself completely from life that's what means not only are you responsible for it but the death happens in your head the death happens in your deepest place and he says also you have blemished the icker the head of everything you did not do something that's wrong you didn't only violate his will you were poignant you were poignant rush you know a person can experience wounds in different parts of the body but the moment the brain is dead or the brain is affected that has the most devastating effect he says hashem your poigman de rosh so that's in the head your own head which represents the head of reality in your head there is misa because you sinned against the head you sinned against the brain of reality and that's why you cannot have any more life there's no life anymore you detached yourself from life that's what the maharal of prague says next question why does the rambam argue if it's only al of dhalid nunyut or osa kevafke it's basically a question of how to learn the gemara the mishnah says in sanhedrin that you're only if you curse the shame and then the gemara says that it's the name of four letters so the argument is there ahmad says four letters means yod hey and vav and then hey and the rambam explains the gamora that the four letters is also all of dalai dunyud and then mufashim explain what are the two perspectives behind the me and the rambam it's beyond our realm today you have to learn through the whole surgery of the gemara it's it's it's an intense discussion over there but the rambam says he believes that you get skillet for both the rambam says that you're not going to read their literature their ammo says that you're not allowed to think about their ideas you know a lot of look at their images and so forth what about the mishna which says damash of la picaires you have to know how to respond to one apikaris so it's very clear that their album speaks about people who may not have the intellectual capacity to engage in these types of conversations because these conversations will only cause them to become demoralized and morally broken the idea is the rambam says that if you focus on these svarim on these books you will be lured into them or you might be learning to them like he brings clearly the passage that when a person starts researching how they worship gods other gods he's going to say oh let me do this as well but as i said earlier the rambam himself read this forum and the reason the rama read this forum was because rammum felt that an essential part of his mission and task is to help jews who have gone astray to be able to come back to yiddish and even to help gentiles to see the truth and not to engage in pagan idolatry and that's why throughout the generations there were those select jews who understood that they had the ability and the power to be able to delve into this literature not because this literature was enticing for them and they were looking for the truth that may be there on the contrary when they were delving into it it was simply as part and as a catalyst and as a springboard to be able to show how ridiculous it is how absurd how how obscene and how ludicrous it is so therefore then there is no there is no aveda but this is something therefore that is very relative and you have to be very it's relative to the person who is getting involved and you have to be very cautious only a person who has the strongest foundation in yiddish guy the strongest foundation and terry and munno and really has that that mind to be able to do that that person can engage in it so first of all you have to be very honest with yourself and you have to have a mentor and a teacher who can help you guide who can help guide you in this can help guide you towards this path or away from this path but from the logic that the rambam gives we can understand his perspective this is what the pharisees are all says and it's explained in many other safari what about jews who succumbed to our desire with no maliciousness they were not brazen they just never had knowledge of yiddishkeit no warning of the consequences they never understood it are they also lost forever do we not accept them for with chuva forever it seems so harsh no of course not the rambam clearly says we're talking about people who are brazen people who are malicious people who are doing it lahatha's to anger god people who are doing it publicly to destroy judaism a jew who maliciously becomes entrenched and available we're not talking about a jew who was ignorant a jew who was literally raised with absolute ignorance he doesn't know anything about yiddish completely not talking about that person the ramen himself later in hilharm in the last book shoftim we're going to be there in a while says that a jew who grew up without yiddishkeit you have to show them love and bring them back with love of course there's the famous khazanesh in yerede i think simon bays where he says that most of the secular jews of our generation go into the category of tinaka meaning children who were abducted and raised in places that are completely alien to judaism there's no blasphemy here there's no outrage there's no attempt to destroy their religion and their faith coming from a place of knowledge and education to be a mean you have to be an educated jew so it's completely in a different category completely not related to what the rambam is saying here the rambam says not to inquire about the details of aveda zara but he also says later in chapter 3 that the court has to be acquainted with all the details of how every avoid disorder has to be worshipped because if not they can't punish a person because there's a vast difference if a jew worship that idol in its own unique way or not how do you reconcile so it's obvious that when the besden is studying zara they have to study the methods that are used by each of a disorder but that's part of that's in order for them to understand the source that's a whole different type of learning they're not learning because they're interested in researching the desire can you talk more about the death penalty what is the death penalty what is this idea of stoning what is the idea of death penalty okay so later in rambam sanhedrin is going to discuss at length the death penalties and the different parts of it remember the rambam is extremely organized is not discussing the death penalty in judaism it's discussing the laws of idolatry so the rambam briefly says the death penalty is stoning what stoning is how they perform the death and that's going to be discussed in the section of rambam that deals with judges and judgments and courts and verdicts and the various penalty whether it's death whether it's lashes whether it's monetary compensation or other penalties so this is going to be discussed in the section of rambam that deals with the courts and the verdicts of the court the rambam is extremely organized so here he just tells you i want you to know that the one who's over the desire and the one who is my god they've get skiller what skill is i didn't explain yet there's a whole safer here this is the whole system of allah we're going to get to that in its proper place why doesn't the rambam say that the megadiff has to be warned it seems like he doesn't have to be warned because it just says that what that the moment there's addis he gets killer even without hasarah yeah so you're right the quest of missionaries of cairo says that it seems like from the ramen that somebody who curses hashem of these witnesses and you see that he did it maliciously he's liable to the death penalty and that's what the rambam says the moment is witnesses you get skilled and the ram is trying to negate hasra that's what the quest of mishnah holds however many many of the poisson disagree and they say that the rambam is not here to negate a warning the rambam is not discussing here by every sin that you need astra because again he's going to discuss later in al-qasan adrian that you can't punish somebody without a warning the rama doesn't have to keep on repeating it says that the way you have to understand this rambam is he's continuing what he said earlier he said that a megadeth can't retract his words tarq de dibur so therefore if he cursed in front of witnesses they can right away take him to bed and they don't have to wait and see maybe he's going to retract it later because of course they have to warn him before that's for sure and he has to accept the warning but it means that they don't have to wait afterwards because right away they could take him for skiller because there's no turkey dipper that is how many other mufashim explain their album that you do need to warn him and what does it mean to warn them as we'll see later that before he can be punished in any for anything they have to tell him that what he is about to do is prohibited and that's not enough they have to tell him exactly what the punishment is going to be if he does it and only if they warn him and they tell him that it's forbidden and they tell him the punishment and it's still not enough he has to acknowledge that he heard it and he understood it and that he wants to do it anyway and then when he does it then he is liable for the punishment which is why practically it was extremely difficult and i should say maybe almost impossible to get a lot of these punishments in reality because the processes to be able to make you liable to these penalties was extremely difficult as will be discussed at length in hilhair's son next question why didn't hiskiya inspire his children the gemara says he tried the gemara says he tried to do whatever he can the gemara says it's an unbelievable gemara he once took them to school in the morning menasha on one shoulder of shaking on another's shoulder and he was leading them to the credit to learn by a teacher tara you know what he hears he hears one of his boys say you know the head of our father would be wonderful if we can roast fish on it our father would be a great barbecue you know great fire pit roast fish on it and the other one said the head of our father would be great to be sacrificed for an idol for idolatry that's what he heard his children say and according to one version he threw off one of the children and that children that child was hurt and died some say it's literally he died some say it's metaphorically he was hurt his head was hurt but in any case riskier try to do whatever he can again not everyone says that rafaki was his child could be was another person and some even say that his child why would he name his child rafae which is the name of the general of syria of assyria unless it's the same person that's also this is a very fascinating discussion what happened to siskiyou's two children menasha and binary god willing one day when we learn tanakh together we'll get to that story as well we're not holding there yet you're asking are you allowed to look at a tsura dezara are you allowed to look at an image of a vaidhizaara so the rambam clearly says that you now let a look at the moos satsura you now let a look at musa sort of a deserter there's a big question in what if it was not made from a desert what if it was not made from a desert in other words it was just made for beauty not to worship let's say there's something they use for avoiding zara but this was made for beauty not for worship so tyson says in the message of memphis only if it was made for avoiding look at it if it was made to worship you then you're not going to look at it if it wasn't made to worship then you're allowed to look at it the way this says that the rambam also agrees and it would seem that way because the rama is explaining why you're not going to look at it you're not going to look at it because you may be lured into it it's like you're interested in it you're you're wondering about it that's what the rambam says that's why the rama says in your idea that if you don't want to enjoy it if your point is not to enjoy it you just take a look at it you happen to look at it you're not here to have a know from it the rama says it would be it would be permissible so it's it's a very interesting and practical question you know you go sometimes to museums and they have these old pagan idols are you allowed to look you have to turn away are you allowed to look at it or you have to close your eyes that's a very interesting question right especially was it's not made for beauty was made for by desire it's an old antique relic that they excavated somewhere you even allowed to look at it so from many pisco it seems if your mind is in the right place then you're allowed to look at it next question the shock in your day agrees with thai swiss yeah thank you thank you why does the rambam repeat in allah that israel desires like a guy for all matters that you need a jew and he's not like a jew who just didn't avair why does he say that well he wants to bring out that he's uh that he's that he's not like a jew who just did one of veda but rather had a guy called varov so you're asking why at the end he says again when he said in the beginning already that he's like a guy called what if that means a moment why does he have to repeat it that's what you're asking right so it's a good question i saw that the toure evan the toure evan gives a beautiful explanation toure evan says that the rambam repeats the words hareo mumtarakula to teach you and qualify that when he says ke goyle called varav he doesn't mean it literally you might think kaguya khaldhvar i mean he's not a jew anymore he's but not a jew he's a gentile that's not true certain allah because he is a jew he is a jew in fact it seems like from gemara sanhedrin israel who was said about this person and later we're going to see a rambo milk as gay or sure the ramen was going to speak about what a jew is in a positive sense and it seems like it includes this jew as well so when it says hare you kigai it means in issues that you need a jew and you need the trust of a jew then you treat him like an idol for example you want to make a minion he can't be part of a minion he's a jew but god be a minion he's not a jew leg writing save a traitor writing fill and write a message is writing a get shakthing an animal so the rambam wants to bring out when i said i don't mean that he's mama's not a jew we don't say that look i told you the kid is a jew yeah famous and over there if we're still considered hashem's children the mayor says you're always my child no matter what and he brings all the succumb which includes our famous big maharao and te pharao sister perez about this gemara and see free it seems like rabbi huda was the tour of may is your free practice and usually allah is like says because it may have brought forth succumb to prove that under all circumstances a jew is a jew as a jew as a jew so the rama wants to clarify that so the torah heaven says that the rambam therefore says that i want you to know that he's like a mashum and he's not a guy so even though in the beginning i said area if he finishes already don't say a guy is or some text saying you don't call a guy you're showing he's not a jew he's not a mushroom a mum means you have to be a jew to be a mummy a mum means somebody who violates the toyota to violate it you have to be responsible for the torah so rama wants to say that he's still a jew and he's a jew that you can't trust him with any of the mitzvos because unfortunately he is he he steeped into idolatry fascinating interpretation of the torah evan in other words i want you to know that he's a israel mumma he's not a guy we treat him but a lot of mitzvahs we treat him like a guy this is very very important there's a rambam a beautiful letter from the rambo megaeros hashma the rambam says that european benevot is going to be punished not only for creating idolatry but also for cooking on yomtif which was on a friday you cooked on yamtif on friday to prepare for shabbos without making an a-roof tough shilling if he's a guy he's allowed to cook without making an air tough shot where you excommunicate them privately you do it publicly do you ever mention you haven't been a what you're right he's a mum but he's a mummy he's a strong mumma he's strong muhammad means he's a jew who's prone to violate the whole thing he can't trust him with any mitzvah you bring him in for darwinian and they say when he says hashem he may be thinking you know heaven for you're going to answer have him answer kandace you can't have a man succumbed it's it's worthless that's what the rama means that's what the tory evan says has to emphasize not that he's not a jew if i would say go you would think he's not a jerusalem no he's a jew he's a mushum he's a yiddish and that's why there's others where he is actually very jewish if he betrothes a woman he says in front of witnesses she needs to get why she need to get a non-jew betrothed is a jewish woman she doesn't need to get it's not a marriage according to allah may be civil but why does she need to get she needs a get because he's a jew interesting stuff why does the ramen say a macabre noise you're asking we never accept him with truvia explained i'm not saying we don't accept him he says clearly we accept he says clearly they can do triva he says says beautifully their advance says that means we don't accept them but shuv island we cannot be sure that their truva is timeless it's such a beautiful interpretation in rama i can't be sure when somebody abandoned his father and mother and his heritage and his faith and his god yeah and he went over to the other side and he's worshiping idolatry we're not talking about somebody who's forced somebody who was given a choice of death we're not talking about that we're talking about somebody who did it be rutson now they come back you just have to be very sensitive you know you don't turn them right away into the jewish leader you have to know that there's a serious problem here we hope they're doing chuva but there's a certain you know there's a certain uh let's call it you have to be conscientious you have to be sober you can't just get drunk hashem knows some knows the truth but they really did true were they really the true has there ever been an idol that has claimed that it has taken us out of egypt well the the arab rav with the ego you know they they they they worshipped the golden calf and part of their argument was that this was responsible for the redemption the commentators say that the zodiac of the month of april the month of nissan is a lamb right and the zodiac of the month of ear is a shire is an ox and the eggel is a baby calf it's a baby ox so they claimed that the lamb was defeated by the calf in the zodiacs and heavens and that's why the jews managed to get out of egypt so that's why you should worship the golden calf this was their argument as a whole mimer explaining what their was and how they managed to convince the jewish people to engage in the in the golden calf tearing your garment represents the blasphemers separating himself from his core and creating a discont a discontinuity in the fabric of the universe a tear in the force similar to undoing a kasher salkayama that's a beautiful beautiful interpretation and i found i found one line in the record shove itself that's where i uh got this idea from okay now i'll pick a baller if you write the name you'd and hey and verve and hey milo meaning fully by writing out the numerical value of each letter since the hay and the love can be written either as hey aleph or heihei and love can be written as va vav of alavov they combine to four different totals of the numbers these are referred to shame of shame shame the name of 72 63 52 and 45 yes none of these add up to 86 none of these add up to 86 right but to be sure nugget gives another one and that's the one i told you you could let's do it together and you'll see now you'd have hey doesn't add up to 86. you'd have a adds up to either 26 we said right and the mili is 26. okay you're confusing two things you'd have hey is 26. if you write out fully you'd hey and then hey fully including the first letter you'll either get 45 52 63 or 72. but if you only use the letters of the melee not the original letters valid then you'll get your 26. you understand then you'll get your 26. so the opening letters and the filling letters will be identical you'd have a will be 26. and now look take a look above dollar is how much 10. hey aleph is how much six so it's 16. right above of is how much above of is how much 612. and then hey aleph so what's the cashman above dollar is 10 right so volv down don't now take away the youth now hey hey is 10 but take away the first hey so it's 5. so you have 10 and 5. so it's 15. volvo is 12. take away the first valve so it's only 6. so 15 and 6 is what 21. and now hey hey take away the first 10 you're not taking away the first letters that's why you're getting confused take away the first letter the last day is five so it's together 26. and the same thing you do with the ic don't count the uranus and the samakhan the yud right count in yoshi after count the valid and then the valve the valve and then in the sum of the not the same and in the last year they've done and you'll get to 86 that's the shot 45 52 63 73 is when you have the whole letter written out now you're asking if you write the name you see the militar which without the melee is equal to 86 you is your dev dollar is 20. again you're coming to 184. okay again you're making a little error here the gematria of the first letters and the gematria of the filler letters not the first letters take out the first letters is going to be identical you get it the youth and the hand of oven hayes 26 now the and the dollard and the second hay and the second vote and the second hey that's going to be 26. same is true with the oic you would vote as 86. your vote is 16. 60 and you're this 10. so it's 86. because if somebody is 60 and then you have 2 yards so it's 70 80 and then you have above is 86. now if you spell out the ud in miloi but don't use the yute just to use verv dalet and then vove and then memkhoff not samach and then and then you understand denver you'll have 86. now you want to know what's the connection what's the connection what's the connection to you see and why was this the name of rabioisi and is that connected to it it's all connected but it's beyond the realm of this class the one point is that the melody is that which is concealed in the letter it's not explicit when you say you'd and hey involving hey all you see is four letters you don't see the fillers when you say it you actually say it right but it's more it's more concealed and in the name youth kevke both are identical both are uniform that's the connection but again the details is beyond beyond the realm of this class i hope i hope now it's clear this class is brought to you by the yeshiva.net please help us continue the classes make even a small contribution at triple w dot the yeshiva.net slash donate