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Rambam Mishneh Torah: Hilchos De'os Chapter 2 - Q & A
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When Extremes Are Good for You This Q&A segment, is from class in Rambam the Laws of De'os, chapter two, which was presented on Wednesday Parshas Va'eschanan, 8 Av, 5780, July 29, 2020, streaming live from Rabbi Jacobson's home in Monsey, NY For Source Sheets: https://www.theyeshiva.net/jewish/7655
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[Music]
now i'm going to take some questions and
i know i owe you some answers so let's
see what's going on here
okay the story about the holy illusion
now you asked what's the story i was
referring to
they tell a story that the holy spirit
of religion once came to town
and
he
was asked by a very affluent and
prominent person in the town to come to
his home
and he said you know everybody all
prominent and distinguished people
always stay in my home
but the holy original did not accept
invitation instead
he went to the home of somebody who knew
was actually considered a very simple
jew
a simpleton and in fact
even some questions about his year
shamayim you know about his
his fear of heaven and how scrupulous he
was in certain mitzvahs
before delusional left
this man this wealthy affluent prominent
man comes to him and says i don't
understand
everybody knows how religious i am
everybody knows that i'm scholarly
everybody knows that i'm a great
philanthropist everybody knows that i'm
very god-fearing
you reject my invitation
to choose a home of somebody who's
morally
questionable in terms of certain mitzvos
so their helicarrier bisola russian
looks at this jew
he was a soul doctor so i guess he said
what he said
he said good question you ask
and i'll answer the question
it says in parties
hashem dwells among the jewish people
amidst their impurity so hazal
says
even when they're impure
the divine presence dwells among them
even when they're impure
but the gemara says in sight and the
rambam says
is perigimo
that somebody who is arrogant about
hashem says
him and i
cannot live
under the same roof hashem says i cannot
the gamora says the apostles hashem
called vale arrogance is is an
abomination by god as the rambam says
here it's
like you you replace god
trump says i cannot live with a balgaeva
in the same home
so the
said that drew's house may have tuma may
have some spiritual impurity but hashem
says i dwell there but i'm afraid that
in your home there's a lot of arrogance
says i can't live under the same roof
like arrogance she said i wanted to go
to a home where the shrine is manifested
and this was of course a way of
explaining
what the rambam is telling us here about
the unique dangers
of
and blindness that arrogance brings and
i should just say that arrogance
somebody asked a question arrogance is
sometimes very much associated with the
other extreme which is insecurity in
other words i have to be so arrogant
because there's nothing there and i have
to protect that endless void
of
the innate intrinsic sense of
nothingness
so i compensated even to myself
with this
bloated
senseless
pompousness
so the person is really living with
nothing there's no substance and that's
what the arrogance is coming to protect
and they sometimes do they they really
live that way in other words that's
where my brain goes to naturally that's
how i live
it's quite pathetic
and it's quite miserable
and
you know one has to have really
compassion for such a person it's i
think another reason why the rambam says
because
when i when when i understand even the
basic idea of what it means god exists
god exists means that my creation has
absolute meaning and purpose because he
created me and it was not senseless
so then i don't have to be arrogant
because there is a core that exists but
when that core doesn't exist arrogance
often replaces it
i'm going to address the other question
why do you need a soul doctor
the rambam said just go to the other
extreme you're angry okay don't respond
to anybody you're arrogant okay put on
schmattas
put on shmatus and sit in the back so
you have a clear path just live and
behave in the other extreme why does the
rambam say you have to go to a soul you
have to go to a soul doctor
another question was
do you remember what's the place of of
analysis of psychoanalysis of of therapy
of psycho of psychological inner work
and all of this
it's great questions and
i don't think i can
i'm capable of giving the authoritative
absolute answer to this i'm just sharing
some ideas that i thought of
and hopefully it can trigger further
discussion and i'm welcome to hear more
from you and you could put into the
comments in the yeshiva the yeshiva.net
about this because certainly this is a
very interesting conversation that moves
on first of all
the rambam believes that you have to
have somebody you can be open with
just like when i come to a doctor if i'm
gonna hide the illness and say i don't
wanna share it with the doctor
i'm afraid you know what he's gonna do
he's gonna take blood that's not good
i have to go to a dentist and show them
the teeth tooth that hurts and have to
go to a doctor and show them the limb
that hurts the same is true with a soul
doctor the ramen is comparing the
physical physician the physical healer
to the spiritual healer you have to have
somebody you can be open with i can
share with him or her my struggles my
dilemmas the issues i'm having with my
temperament with my character traits
with my behavioral patterns with my
habits that's number one
in parentheses a beautiful commentary of
the te ferris schlemmer of slime over a
dumps
it says when somebody is a leper right
the hoover la coin has to be brought to
the cayenne
the coin comes to him oh akain and the
kind has to examine it and he gives an
example it says
the queen represents
the person the
person of wisdom the soul doctor like we
say about the quran
israel they're the teachers of the
jewish people so he says when somebody
is a misery when somebody has a leprosy
physical or spiritual and emotional this
is what the rambam says you have to go
to a soul doctor you need you need a
sage you need a rabbit you need somebody
a mentor to be able to
somebody who has
wisdom spiritual moral wisdom to be able
to help you that's number one
another thing we see from the rambam is
there's no such a thing i'm a victim of
a certain temperament this is who i am
my father had shrama my grandfather had
shrama my zedan bubble all the way back
to adam and chava how we're traumatized
and therefore i rationalize and i
justify my behavior there may be good
reasons the rambam says
it may be part of my genetic disposition
intergenerational trauma you could study
epigenetics for that it may be nature it
may be nurture it may be what i was
taught it may be what has been
bequeathed to me it may just be part of
my bodily disposition fine but you're
not a victim
you're not a carbon
do not surrender to the
false and erroneous philosophy in life
this is who i am this is who i must
remain for the rest of my life i will
remain that narcissistic individual that
traumatized individual that angry
individual that arrogant individual that
fearful or insecure individual that
self-centered narcissistic individual
you're not a victim the rambam says
you're never ever a victim take
responsibility this does it's not about
blame this is about empowerment realize
that you have the potential
to reshape the pathways in your brain
that is what the rambam is teaching us
also how you see the primary focus here
is
actions
change
change your actions change your
behaviors change your habits
that is what
changes patterns it shifts
things in the brain now you ask a
question what about analysis what about
understanding this what about
psychoanalysis
the rambam does say we need a soul
doctor why do you need a soul doctor i
think there's two reasons
it may be more but i think there's basic
two reasons first of all the realm is
giving here a general outline but every
person is unique
so the wise soul doctor has to help me
figure out
what are the types of actions and
behaviors and habits and patterns i
should be engaging in consistently for a
significant amount of time to help me
shift back to the middle of the road
just to leave it up to the person who's
struggling with the issue may be very
very foolish i must have the advice of
somebody who's wise and somebody who's
objective and somebody who deals with
these realities and matters to be able
to guide me because it's such an
individual question based on the unique
dispositions and struggles and
challenges and complexities of the human
being because of the endless diversity
as he began chapter one the endless
diversity in people's perceptions and
temperaments and traits from one extreme
to another extreme there may be another
issue here
for me to be able to behave in this path
that the rambam describes
i have to be very very well aware of the
type of person i really am and the type
of person i aspire to be the type of
person i want to become in other words
my values have to be very very clear
because when i'm behaving in this way
when i'm going to the other extreme as
the rambam says i'm not responding
remember what does the ramen say i'm not
responding to somebody who's cursing me
and embarrassing me and i'm literally
like i'm not feeling it it's like i'm
not feeling
is this a fake thing or a real thing is
it a fake am i getting even more angry
and then tomorrow
i'm gonna go break his windows or i'm
gonna hate him for the rest of my life
then you're making it worse we call it
repression
this can't be with repression this has
to be with clear awareness this is not
the person i want to be
and i'm acting in a way that is aligned
with my true values that's a key issue
and that's why i often need a soul
doctor to be able to help me identify
who i really am and who i really aspire
to be
to be able to see that these character
traits are really aberration so
therefore when i engage in this other
extreme i'm not getting more angry and
more arrogant and more furious and i'm
just repressing it because ramen says
you have to make you don't fail that you
don't feel anything and really you're
now
simmering with such fury and such anger
and the revenge oh is it going to be
intense that's not going to work that's
like a game you're making it much worse
you know when somebody is
silent but the silence is not coming
from a choice and from a place of
healing it's coming from a place of
of deep despair and deep depression or
deep
suppression
so that's where we sometimes need we
always need a soul doctor and the soul
doctor perhaps sometimes has to explain
to me
why i have these traits or where these
traits are coming from so i should be
able to identify
the line i should be able to trace them
back to their source and then i can
actually say this is not me this is not
the person i really am it's not the
person i want to be it's not the person
i aspire to and now my behaviors
will be based
on a true awareness of who is the person
i want to be so now these behaviors are
embraced by my inner core by my inner
understanding of what a person is
so i'm not going to become furious i'm
just doing it because the soul doctor
said do this this this xyz i become a
robot and a zombie and now i'm even more
angry at my spouse or at my child or at
myself or at god or at the world or at
the community
i think this is important i hope you
understood what i said there's a lot to
say about this but i think this is
this is some very very important ideas
it is fascinating how much the rambam is
focused on actions on behavior behavior
behavior behavior because ultimately you
know we see it in our world today how
much
analysis sometimes takes over people's
lives and almost the objective is to
understand my dysfunction
the rambam says no no that's not our
objective this is a safer
i want to tell you how to live
not to understand your dysfunction i
want you i want you to get rid of your
dysfunction that's the
i power of
guide you in your life
next question
doesn't the gemara say a message
needs a little bit of arrogance it's an
excellent question in the gemara there
there's an argument
and
says
i want you to have nothing
and that's what it seems that the rambam
learned the gemara that there are
actually different opinions although
there are different interpretations in
the gemara when you look at the gemara
there are different opinions and it
seems like the rambam believes
the right thing is that when it comes to
arrogance
even a little bit of it is undesirable
like marshmallow
on
so it seems like indeed he embraces one
of the opinions in gemara i should say
there is an insight i saw from the tamar
tsadek somebody put it in the comments
of
he was the grandson of the balatanya
passed away tough reshave that's 18
and he says something fascinating he
says
that even though the rambam says you
shouldn't have any arrogance the gemara
means only atom
what means
he says a fascinating thing on
on pesach
when they brought the carbon aimer they
brought an offering from
from grain it had to be from barley
barley sauer
it was from
wheat
but here's the fascinating thing
everything in the basemekt all the meal
offerings were always matzah
and that's why they were edible on
pastel they're always mats
the exception is
to stay hallechem they brought two
loaves of bread on shivers and that had
to be from comets
the only exception
over there was
we know matzah represents humility and
muhammad which is the dough that's
rising and inflated at ferments and it
starts rising through the sourdough it
blows up
that's a metaphor for a certain form of
self-inflation arrogance shivers which
is mata
were presenting
over there they could be ashminished
they could be a little comets
and the
the the idea of this is
that the true talmud
the person who is completely aligned
with tara
the self-inflation is never about the
self
when a person is completely one with
torah then it's the exaltedness of tara
the moment it becomes about my personal
personal ego
then
it's not
then it's my own ego
is the idea that with tita
it's the power of toyota when a person
becomes one of tyra so it's the great
kite it's the stalt it's the pride of
tara but yet it seems from the rambam
that makes no exceptions and the rambam
holds that humility is the way to go to
an extreme and he even quotes it from
shrapnel who was the biggest
perhaps the brings
his proof that that's the because it was
the
but i think with those words
also tells us what humility means
humility doesn't mean that i am an
essential
worthless valueless insignificant
pointless creature maishrabenu certainly
did not think of himself this way on the
contrary he knew how he indispensable he
was to the narrative of
history to civilization to humanity and
of course to the jewish people as
explained earlier in the
in this year
i think there's somebody brought avoid
from the vilnigan
i have become even smaller from all the
kindness and all of the truth that you
have showed me i crossed as jordan with
the makgeolli of artesia
now i have two camps it's just
yakovino says i became even smaller from
all the kindness and all the grace that
you have showed me i became even smaller
so that's this
minute is the eighth path possibly in
the eighth parasha
in tanya in the gary sakaidesh in the
sec in the third in the
fourth section of tanya there's a letter
that balatania wrote when he was
liberated from prison in petersburg in
you test kislev and he says that why did
yakov
he says because whenever hashem shows
you abundant grace and abundant kindness
it's a divine revelation
and whenever divinity is revealed in
your life hashem is infinite so what
happens
the sense of i
becomes subsumed in the all-pervasive
infinity of hashem so the more divine
revelation the more humility because the
closer the more i feel hashem's presence
the more i feel the nothingness of my
egotism because in the presence of
infinity the i
is only an extension and a conduit and
completely one with infinity the more
distant from infinity the more the
separateness of the eye can emerge and
come to the fore and assume an
autonomous
identity which is essentially false
but in the presence of a revelation of
ain't safe so then the i naturally
becomes subsumed in the oneness of
infinity that's why
so maybe that's another homological
interpretation of talmud
who is really in touch with the divine
energy of terrorism
the ability to say mass the ultimate
ability of bitter of humility as
explained in in many sfarim especially
in this forum of muslim
siddhis so the talmud
has this
minus
the eighth the eighth partial eighth
passage okay next question
beautiful questions
oh this is a good question
why did the rambam not speak about the
humility
and anger in the first chapter he said
you have to go in the middle path
and only in chapter two does he say when
it comes to humility
and um
and calmness the antithesis of anger
there you should go to the other extreme
shouldn't have he made that exception in
chapter one why does he wait till perig
obeys to make this qualification
that is a very good question the
mufashim struggle with is the lesson
beginning with the mishnah and other
mufarsham it's it is strange because
it's like in chapter two there says by
the way those qualities i spoke about
last week last chapter to go the middle
of the road there are exceptions
the truth is
there's different answers that are given
and i think after all the answers it
remains still difficult
to understand
but it is interesting when you study the
structure of the rambam
chapter 1 he discusses how to balance
your temperament chapter 2 begins with
what that there are people who are sick
and they have to go to the other extreme
because they're sick the rambam now says
ah now we're talking about people who
have to go to the other extreme because
they're sick and therefore if they don't
go to the other extreme they're going to
lose it because they have become
spiritually ill so that says i'm now
going to talk about other middays that
you also have to go to other other
extreme even if you're not sick
mushroom wasn't sick spiritually and
still you need to go to the other
extreme that's the structure of the
rambam
but this question is a good question uh
i have not seen a real
satisfactory edge i've seen different
answers i'm not seeing a real
satisfactory answer
i don't have a question i just want to
tell you this was so good it's a
teaching that can make me better and
make life better yes this chapter of
rambam is uh
every chapter of rambam is a timeless
timeless
and priceless
gift and treasure
and this one too
what would the rambam say about bullying
i used to think i should just let it go
now i think it's better to stand up
since otherwise the bully may continue
bullying other people
well listen we always have to protect
victims from perpetrators
probably the best way to protect the
victim is to empower them
and teach them how to deal with the
bully and there's a lot of research and
literature that has been recently
published about this in other words
what's the best thing we can do for
children who are being bullied for some
in a classroom because the results can
be devastating and catastrophic so we
have to help
those victims
learn
how they can find within themselves the
best way and strength and means to be
able to confront the bully and you have
to judge every situation but one thing
is important don't be passive about it
don't be passive
we first and foremost have to help those
who are suffering and sometimes the
bully is also suffering you know in
hebrew the word for a bully is alam it's
the same letters like the word elaine
which is mute
sometimes people who are muted
they have to resort to bullying
so we also should take into
consideration if there's something we
can do for the bully
to help him or her
really get their lives together because
they're going to destroy themselves not
only other people but of course first
and foremost we have to protect anybody
who's being bullied
you spoke about two types of people who
are morally ill those
who don't know and those who know the
ones who know
hopefully we'll go to a soul doctor what
about the ones who don't know they
believe that bitter is sweet and sweet
is bitter how are they healed
i guess when you eat enough
dust and charcoal
you get sick enough to realize that
you're sick
the bible of mental health professionals
is the dsm
with succeeding numbers
this gold standard lays out criteria for
diagnosis the various mental illnesses
conditions
treatments medications etc
the problem is insurance in rich people
will pay for a professional and their
services
and meds and any treatment necessary
only if there is a dsm diagnosis
if there is an insurance code
the doctor in the code is always the key
to getting the pay
fine
but what used to be a character trait
like shyness is now given a diagnosis a
name
this one is aspergers this one is
schizophrenia this one is bipolar
this one has dysphobia that phobia this
eccentricity
therefore it goes into the dictionary of
illness there's an insurance code so the
funds will flow from the insurance
company and government to all those who
treat the condition
giving a title opens the door to flow of
funds and pronouns
the tendency is to always increase the
range of diagonal diagnosis the range of
dsm illnesses and so the system
especially the mental health system to
continuously expand
before the early 1970s homosexual
behavior was considered an illness then
it was removed from the list
i mentioned this only what would the
rambam say about all of this the rambam
speaks about soul doctors he speaks
about mental uh spiritual illness moral
illness he's speaking about a
professional
he compares it to a physical physician
but is it really the same thing
i know special needs individuals who
suffer from a disorder where they eat
non-edibles like plastic and paper
i know this so i know about this illness
that the rambam describes very well
it's a very very important question
you're asking
i'm certainly not in the position to
give an authoritative answer to this
however i think one or two or three
points would be valuable to make
and that is
giving things labels could be helpful
but sometimes they're also not helpful
because we put the person into a box
and when it comes to issues of the brain
the mysteries are so profound and so
intricate or so infinite
that even that which we know we know
that we have only scratched the surface
and that's why you'll see that the
rambam is very careful
about
those absolute labels that you know put
you in a box and it's almost sometimes
could be an excuse
for wrong behavior now you need a
balance sometimes people are struggling
with something and giving labels can be
helpful in the sense of seeking out
certain professionals certain treatments
certain vitamins certain meds certain
therapies there it is very helpful where
it becomes i think non-helpful is
where we quarantine the person and
confine the patient into this model and
that's it
it's easy for me the doctor i don't have
to research i don't have to investigate
i don't have to tune into deeper layers
i don't even have to speak to the person
i gave a label i gave a diagnosis take
your meds and leave me alone
and that is actually wrong
destructive
because it's so often not true sometimes
a person behaves and it's similar to
another type of behavior that has a
diagnosis but maybe the reasons are
different maybe the conditions are
slightly different maybe the remedy that
this person needs is different it's so
important to tune in to the individual
unique journey challenges struggles
opportunities and gifts of every person
and guide them from that perspective
and that's part of the function of a
real soul doctor
and it takes a lot of humility on the
part of the doctor and a lot of love
and being in tune to the person
i hope i
i
clarify this a little bit the way i
understand it
who decides what's a normal character
trait what's abnormal
torah
every community is it based on secular
professionals
the rambam clearly told us here this is
a safer of toilets to say
foreign is a blueprint
for human life a blueprint that comes
from the one who created the human brain
and defines for us what is the best way
to live
how we can live a life that is wholesome
and as a rambam says where you're happy
throughout your life you actualize your
life a life of balance a life of
equilibrium a life of meaning a life of
centeredness
and a life of purpose not a life of
extremes the rambam in chapter 1 and 2
describes the toyota's perspective which
is the divine blueprint for human
behavior and for human development
the soul can only be healed by
those are people of high spiritual
standing
doctors
don't have to live healthy
doctors sometimes they tell their
patients how bad it's to be obese and
they themselves suffer from obesity or
similar qualification
but the soul doctor
must be a person the rambam says he
himself is a
person who
lives by this wisdom lives by this
very well said
why does the rambam say that it's better
for the body to be silent la matasi
laguftiva sticker well
ask people who talk a lot and a lot and
a lot and don't stop
and you'll see what it does for their
body
the art of silence is very powerful you
know they say there are three types of
people
there are those who
talk
about other people they say small people
talk about other people
intermediate people talk about things
and greater people talk about ideas
whenever you're talking about other
people it's probably not good talk stay
away from it
like we'll learn later about gossip and
slander you know people come together
they're right away talking about people
analyzing this one that one and then
there's talking about things
you know idol chatter that says most
conversations are idle they're not
meaningful they're not significant
they're not real they're not authentic
and then there's communicating about
ideas
you went to a sheer you heard something
you're working on something something in
your life
that you become aware of
an emotional development character
development spiritual development
wisdom truth authenticity honest
conversation real relationships that
enhance our lives physically morally
psychologically spiritually as the
rambam says this positive talk is proper
talk and even here he says be careful
with words let the content exceed the
external words
can re people really next question and
people really live up to this ideal
never to be deceptive of anybody never
to give people false impressions and
manipulate them with a smooth tongue
if the rambam says this is how we should
live it means that we could live this
way
you don't have
i once heard from the laboratory a great
insight
he said you know
hashem asks of people to do what they
could do according to their capacity
he says let's think of this logically
imagine
you create a car
and then
you sell the car to somebody with the
expectation that the car could fly
not only is it ruthless it's also
illogical it doesn't make sense
and when the car doesn't fly you get
angry and you break the car
or you create a machine
and your expectations of the machine are
something that the machine can't do it
simply doesn't have
the mechanism to be able to do it he
says it would be foolish why do you
create something and then you expect it
to do something that you didn't allow it
to do it doesn't make sense he says it
was a very practical way of saying
hashem created every person every person
is a machine more than a machine but a
machine you have your capabilities you
have your potential then he asks the
machine to do something that it simply
can't do it simply can't do it's not
just weird it's ruthless it's wrong it
doesn't make sense and it's illogical
don't create me
to do something that i can't do
is a blueprint for life
yes we stumble we fail we learn from our
mistakes we're still going to get there
i'm america's truva but of course this
is something you could live by and i
want to tell you a secret
it's not when you start living this way
it's not as hard as you think in many
ways it's the easiest way to live
you know why people who lie have to have
good memories
people who are deceptive always have to
think
20 steps ahead
when you are not deceptive when you're
straightforward when you're honest when
you don't lie you can actually live
simpler easier smoother it's a much more
tranquil life try it you'll see
i'll give you a practical piece of
advice based on this rambo okay
every time in the day you say something
that's not true
even if it's a white lie or it's
deceptive
make a note of it
either a mental note or write it down
i'm an appointment and i'm late i'm late
to a class and i call the person i say
oh i'm stuck in traffic i'm not stuck in
traffic i left my house late that's a
lie
see everybody does it it's still a lie
that's not only grenavas das it's pushed
to lie i lied i'm not stuck in traffic i
left my home late you know let it do
that but even in geneva's dos i'm making
a simcha
in a hotel
i only have a certain amount of rooms
that i can give to people you know what
let me call this guy i know he's anyway
going to be in miami
i would love to have you at the bar
mitzvah no i wouldn't
i just know you're in miami so it's
wonderful i can extend an invitation and
you could think i'm your best friend and
i know you're not coming what do you
have a better deal that's called
deceptions neighbors i didn't hurt the
person i did i didn't even lie to the
person well if i say i really love it
maybe i'm not saying i want to invite
you but it's a false impression it's
like inviting you to my house to eat and
i know you're not going to accept the
invitation
every time you do this before you open
your mouth and say something make a note
i was just dishonest
and then
start deleting this from your schedule
from your patterns from your behaviors
and you'll see life is much easier i
know you know to yourself i only say
truth i don't deceive i never lie
i never not give false impressions what
i mean is what i say what i say is what
i mean this doesn't mean
that i have to reveal every emotion to
every person of course not there's a
famous expression in yiddish a league in
tarmin or zagan the members of
manufacture
sometimes it can be hurtful i don't have
to tell every person everything i'm
feeling that's not what the rambam is
saying but the ram is saying is what you
say should not be deceptive don't be an
echoed
a person who has this dual identity what
is on the inside should come out on the
outside what is that the outside should
be a reflection of the inside in other
words be a sincere authentic human being
of integrity i am telling you it's a
much easier
calmer
happier more tranquil wholesome way to
live
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