Pesachim 116a - Arvei Pesachim

the yeshiva dotnet okay the Gemara says that color i said 'but eres a looky-loo Hickory of ila when you when you learn the tire of the carbon Ellis I can being macro vanilla so sometimes pacer finishes where you still miss Pesach so when you learn sock them so you're still in Pesach see still have the area of pacer okay we are on Zion on mode Aleph all the way on the top three lines from the top cooked our Zion Amidala few seeps awesome cough design I'm at olive there's two dots three lines from the top yet the gomorian now addresses a whole new piece we learned in the Mishnah the last mission was on Kofi O'Donnell and Amidala and in that mission er the mission had told us that in the beginning of the seder after you poured and drank the first cup and you made kiddush they bring the vegetable which the person dips and and eats what what we call the the the carpus and they also bring for the person they bring matzah they bring Maurer Cazares which is the romaine lettuce and they bring her Isis and they bring also to cook dishes which we usually used is Roya and the bates ax the gargle and the egg they bring all this to the side which we call today the Kairos you have this area and the bates is called the Schnee taschlin and you have the Hazaras which is the mortar and you have of course the carpus and you have the her isis and you have the matzo basically what we have in the beginning of the meal that's clear in the Mishnah and the Mishnah adds our for peace anti-racist Mitzvah even though her isis is not a mitzvah we rebel as a burp subject says rabbul izza the son of Sadiq says that it is a mitzvah so the mission on Kofi adalat said even though it's not a midst we still bring car races wherever laws are of the son of RIP something says it is omits and then the mission of finishes them in the time of the base I'm encouraged when there was a base of my crush and you were doing the Seder there they also brought the body of the current pacer that was the mission on Corfu Dollard Hamid Aleph so the Gemara now says Eiffel P Shan erases mitzvot that the common say the tonic AMA says you bring her Isis even though it's not a mitzvah flag the Gemara big question the Eloi Mitzvah if it's not a mitzvah so then mission my my Silla why they bring her Isis in other words what's the point I understand if it's a mitzvah to bring her Isis for whatever reason which we'll discuss you bring it but if it's not a Mitzvah rabbul izza but the son of episodic says it's a mitzvah but if it's not a midst of why are you bringing sure isis i mean for that price you can bring oranges and you can bring apples and you can bring grapes I mean what's the crisis is essentially our fruits so why are you bringing the crisis sug the Gemara the answer to this is all made up a mihrab army said mission kappa the reason the timer holds you have to bring her isis is not because of us mitzvah but because of Kappa Kappa we learned earlier according to one interpretation that there are bomb brings is the second interpretation is a worm first amputation is that there's some acid or poisonous element in the sap of the lettuce and the crisis neutralizes that destructive component that poisonous element that's why you bring the crisis it's basically copper right so it's not a definition of a myth so it's more for health it's it's a hazard without it it's a health hazard which becomes a mitzvah yes in fact it becomes in some ways stronger there's an expression c'mere a second time a surah right we're more concerned with this Arcana than with an is sir an is sir there's issues of majority-minority you go court in the majority of case when it comes to Sakana you're always conscious even for a small minority always have to be cautious and concerned but the bottom line here is that it's not it's the Harrises neutralizes it I'm Maria bossy bossy adds the following copper the Xhosa comma if you do eat the poisonous element in the lettuce causes the lettuce or the worm coppers either the poisonous component or the worm in it two different interpretations that were brought earlier in the Raja bomb copper DeCosta the the the remedy for the for though from the poison and the letters s comma is to eat radish to eat radishes that will that will neutralize the damaging effects copper the coma but radishes can also have this acid so the remedy for that is karta to eat leeks leeks right oh yeah leek yeah cart these leeks the copper Dakar tea but that can also have some acid so then huh me me then drink warm water and by the way Reb amis has copper to hulu all of these poisonous elements there's always a remedy of kami me of drinking warm water I guess tea would be included in that drinking warm water yeah and the Gemara says now add the ha fever ha see in the meantime till they bring you the warm water and you're suffering from this name mahaki this is what you should say copper copper poison poison the fear no law I remember you will the shavanasa you seven daughters willis omni colossal and you eight daughters-in-law we have a few times in gomorrah that there were different look awesome different type of mantras and mystical not very easy to understand statements that were made for different remedies of different situations this is one of those will cost him one of these mantras that were stated that the gomorrah had a tradition it could be helpful for this for this type of poison till they bring the warm water hockey Varkey poison poison i remember you and i remember your seven daughters and your eight daughters-in-law what the symbolism is I don't know because the motion don't explain it but that some type of remedy that the Gemara had a tradition a verbal type of remedy that had its power it's called la hush like these I haven't seen there's a safer cold safer hora and the safer RF brings he says that he doesn't have a commentary on this he calls a Divya Kabbalah meaning it's a tradition it was received and it's a la cache and he says it's like a lot of these Khmer is a lot of these amulets that are written and these various mantras he says we don't know the reason we don't know where they come from but they had some tradition and they have some power to them that's what the safer are over the safer RF brings in more pain without a lot of refuses foods we say that they don't work perhaps yeah one of the famous rishonim in Ashkenazi was known as the Asura the O's Aroo at hospice Arkham he says that in his region where he lived they had a Minich to bake fresh matzo not only the first night of pace of but also the second night of Pesach you know they would bake Matz's in the home the commercial matzo bakeries didn't exist yet Erev Pesach in the afternoon or close to the night of Pesach already at night you could bake on Yom Tov they would make fresh nuts everybody in their own house that was the matzo that you ate and he said we had a minute to bake fresh months even the second night of patient even though you already had mats and it didn't get ruined over one day but there was a minute specially to do it and he says the reason is because based on this Gemara a very interesting this is Doris Arora who lived in them in the in the 13th century the 12th century he says because the Hazaras the lettuce has copper it has these poisonous components and the Gomorrah says here that the remedy for all types of copper whether it's in the lettuce or in the radish or in the leeks is what is coming me is the warm water so he says right before they say there we baked the matzah so that the matzah was very very hot and we ate the matzah at the career of together with the more and that would save us from all the problems that's what the Rings which is very very interesting so there are mother in a safe and dark emotion or a Higham he actually brings that from here you learned that it's good to have war matzah to keep the matzah warm and hot as a protector for the for the copper it's just a very interesting Minich based on this Gemara of much later much later generations so we see for me this come me me right that it's it literally how me me means like hat yeah hot I mean the Raj Babbar says cool awesome me me is my in common my in common is ruler that's why I translated as water because that's an Irish mom says Rashi OSIS has come me me the ishtam I am hymen you should drink hot water but we see from these were shining there is a Rua held that heat itself they come the heat component was very helpful for it so that would be the reason for the Carosa according to Tana kama it's basically an issue of health once you eating more it has to come with her Isis the car Isis are the neutralizes the acid or the poison or it kills the worm that may exist in the lettuce this doesn't mean every piece of Mara has it it means that it's possible it should exist and even if it's only a minimal minimal minimal and probability but since it's a probability therefore the column obligated to have crisis to avoid any type of Hazard no he lived he lived in huts loritts there is a Rua didn't live in act Estrada were to star him yeah there to do to star of course in I just saw they didn't have to make mats as a second night they didn't have an obligation to make sure enough to eat masters to second night I mean if you want me you don't have to Ptolemy it but in France Germany what matter from the sea you have to have it I guess warm I don't think it was hot he means warm ah you mean it food no he's saying you put brought the mats in the beginning of the Seder by the time you get to eating the murder takes at least a half an hour 45 minutes and if people are speaking a lotta so it's between the napkin so the heat is retained I don't know how hot it was but maybe a man I mean they covered it so the heat I guess they covered it right away so the heat was retained more but obviously wasn't burning hot it wasn't straight out of there couldn't be straight out of the oven because they brought the Matteson beginning of the Seder for her Isis to know cuz the Mishna says the Mishna says you brought her Isis even though it's not a mitzvah you're a Balazs of the son of Rep sonic says it is a mitzvah and the mercy azzam it's not a mitzvah while you're bringing it stop we don't do things so so there so the first reason is that it's a Canada myths was just a health concern now the goomar's gonna explain the second view yeah bilasa Brits are the climate mitts they're Balazs of the summer so that says it is a mitzvah Frank Morris has mine Mitzvah what's the Mitzvah what's the midst of her I know the mitzvot and martyr I know the mitzvot and matzah I know the mitzvot and having the carbon pacer we know the mitzvot and wine what's the midst of neurosis so the believe I'm Arab lady says that the hakama instituted her Isis a Charlotte up whaaa fascinating her osis was made with apples as a commemoration of the apple trees and the way the Rashi and there's mom explain it is that this is based on the very beautiful tradition that the Jewish women used to give birth to their children under apple trees the Gemara says a massacre site de la fere Aleph that the righteous women in Egypt obviously wanted and have children but they knew that if they have males those males will be cast into the Nile Delta so basically they had apple trees and they used to go and hide under these apple trees and give birth under these apple trees far away from the evil eyes of the Egyptians who were looking for the new Jewish children and God protected them under these apple trees where they would raise their children after the gomorrah says over the MSS decider and that's why it says and she assured him in chapter 8 takasaka pock ERT huh I have aroused you under the apple tree Shama she blow yelled the suckle but there you had your birth pangs over there you gave birth so this verse in the song of is paying testimony to this great event that happened under these apple trees or ablai v hold that for this the Cahaba made a special institutional in the night of Pesach you should eat crushed up apples which we call her Isis and you should take the mower and dip it in the Pharisees the morrow represents the subjugation and the Horatius represents the fact that despite the bitterness and despite the impossible circumstances the women would not stop having the conviction and the faith to create a new generation of Jews so that's already a whole different idea of the crisis the Pharisees represents that conviction that faith the divine providence even in these crazy difficult and unbearable circumstances that they're ready to create a new generation and it's very interesting because there's the famous Rashi in Paris vehicle that the key are the the washing basin and the Michigan the POSIX s was made from water was made from the mirrors the Maris at service who was donated by the women from the mirrors which mirrors is called Maris at service the mirrors that created the legions of the troops so Rashi brings over there that men were so downtrodden and so dejected and so crushed from the slave labor the last thing they were in the mood of was practicing normal family life and the women had special mirrors that they used in order to adorn them into to beautify themselves to entice and trigger their husbands and and ultimately give birth to new a new generation known as silver sash em for he bet samarium as a yacht so called servicer Shem the legions of God who left Egypt so these women took these mirrors and they donated it to the Michigan to the tabernacle and Moisture saw them and we should know what they were and why she rejected them as Rashi says Moses said it's assumingly it's a horror these mirrors were made you know to promote the physical physical arousal and desire it doesn't belong it doesn't belong in a holy place like the Michigan imal Erica there's borrow her she says I'm told Marsha take them a looka Vivaan alignment her coil this is more precious than anything else that was donated to the tabernacle because it's these mirrors that allowed the Jewish people to continue a lot of new generation to be created and not only that these mirrors became the washing basin through which the column would sanctify their hands and their feet every morning when they came into the Michigan in other words the sanctity the source of the sanctity of holiness came from the mirrors that they donated and and the uniqueness here was as the Marshall explained that they gave a lot of jewelry that wasn't a big deal but everything they gave was melted down into silver or gold and used silver gold copper but here wasn't melted down the mirrors were left intact when you looked at the washing base and you saw mirrors you saw yourself they weren't if they would be melted down it wouldn't have been an issue because you you transform them into a different type of material it's the same material but a different completely different image you melted down in you shape it the way you want here the finish was that it was used as a mirror so the idea of real a V is that this is what the horizon the horizon represents that commitment that conviction that faith that divine provenance of the apple tree this makes it a mitzvah not a biblical Mitzvah those anyway and how much to have her ASIS but it would be a rabbinic Mitzvah like the other mitzvahs of the Seder like four cups of wine like reclining like eating murder today when we learn of a carbon pay so one of them is also to eat car ices and you dip the murder in the Harrises yes that in the subjugation it's like you take them more and the morrow was dipped in this in these apples no I guess not everybody brought their mirrors and I guess if there were extra mirrors they used it for other things but the point is that the kheer was made from these mirrors I don't know how many mirrors the mirrors were made out of copper yeah nauseous what you're saying that they may be Kieren line I assume the mirrors were pretty small I'm sure I'm assuming they were tiny mirrors so the cure probably was a combination of many of those mirrors they were left intact Ya Ya Ya Ya because one of them I think it's Devin as it says what's the big deal they brought all types of things it even says they brought Kuma's and rashly says what's kumo Kuma's was a piece of jewelry that was placed in the most private place of of a woman so that is fine that much had no problem with so he says no they melted everything down on what they used they melted it down so what's the big deal with the mirrors because this is described as it remained mirrors that's the solution a sham said this is more precious than everything else a look of even alignment at cotton very fascinating idea this is what Rashi says it's the exact opposite of what their Vanessa says Devin Ezra says the exact opposite interpretation he says these were women who decided they don't want to have to do with the physical world anymore and therefore they gave away their mirrors the exact opposite fascinate exact opposite interpretation they says they just wanted to pray and learn that's what he says they feel etapa rebuking annamarie reaction and says a shallot it actually the her Isis is a commemoration to the clay because it ultimately looks like clay or mortar or cement which is basically earth mixed with water it has that look that's what the her Isis it was commemorating the tit the clay with which the Jewish people were charged it was part of the work the major work was to build the structures for para and create it create create cement create mortar plaster with destroy and the earth and the water that the Jewish people did that is what the her Isis represents so it's either the park the Apple or it's the tit but the common denominator of both is that it's part of the rabbinic mitzvos that are part of the Seder night that you dip the murder into this corrosive regardless if there's poison or not it has nothing to do with necessarily he may also agree that there was a health benefit he's not denying it that's not the discussion it may not be an argument in that sense there's a discussion about that but the point is that there's an element called a mitzvah here Amara byah byah said because there are two opinions he'll sit there for sorry slick ooh-hoo yay you need to make sure the cirrhosis is tart in other words place in it apples which has that sour tardy taste but Sardis lissom okay and you have to make sure that it's thick you should put in enough ground food into it then it should have the thickness Luka who you should be party say Charlotte Epoque because they're bleibt chah's us it commemorates the apple tree butts article is so mostly it should have a thickness to it say shal at it because the bureau Sherman tells us that it commemorates the clay so therefore you should have both components in the her Isis a very interesting very interesting idea is that the Rambam in hostess comets or mats a pair of Zion says that even the matzo you have to dip into her Isis their arm holes that even today's day he writes clearly the time of the base armistice they dipped the mats into the her Isis but he says even today you take the matzo and you dip it in her Isis and that's how you eat it just like the mortar we dip in her Isis because they shall atop was Rachel at it the mats are also we dip into her Isis and we eat it that is the view of the Rambam so when the gomorrah says here her isis is a mitzvah according to the bylaws are based on the mission ur that it's a mitzvah the ramen says if it submits for thumb only for the more it's also for the matzah you dip the matzah in cirrhosis and you eat it derive it says on those words of the Rambam za Havel this is vanity those are his that's his expression on these words or their AMA zaral to dip the mats into her Isis just a very fascinating argument I mean the good brockett's the wine the why it's not water yeah so we shake it off as the Gomorrah says earlier because the taste right because you want to taste though you don't wander you don't want to completely neutralize a taste of the martyr so you said anything saying you shouldn't eat so it's very interesting the the the Rockets over their abusive Rosen and his Seifert softness panic on the Rambam he says a very interesting insight what the argument between the ramen derive it is arrived it says evil it's vanity is a heavy so he says that the Rambam says twice you have to dip the mats and caresses one is when he describes this aid in the time of the besan McNish and one is when he describes this say that today the first time of the time at the base I make this derive it doesn't say doesn't argue with them which means that a coordinator gets over everybody holds it at the time of the base our mixers they would dip mats and crisis the question is about today this is where they arrive it gets very upset explains why what's the logic the answer is because matzah has two components to it matzah is unique maurer is a shoe Elizabeth the reason we eat Maura is because of bitterness it's for the subjugation the her Isis we see here is a shallot it it's because of the clay which the Jewish people were enslaved and had to build and make for para make and then build the structures of para even say hello to Park the apple tree they had to run away to the apple tree because of the danger of giving birth in their homes because the kids would be killed so he says the Mar and the Pharisees represent the elements of subjugation matzah has a dual identity on one hand we say matzah is left him only we learned before that matzah is the the bread of it's the bread of poverty right Lemoine II that's why we use a broken piece it's the bread of poverty hey laughs manya de alcalá vasana buyer the mitzrayim it represents the poor the poor man's bread on the other hand we eat matzah because they didn't have time to let the dough ferment because they were chased out of mitzraim so there's an element of of Guler there's an element of gulen mats now we see something very interesting and that is matzah even today is biblical matzah bisman has added a new book more today is rabbinic there's no Mitzvah of merited a minute Erica's mother says all you cannot eat with the carbon pacer today the rabbi's so the ruger Chavez says but what does this mean this means that at the time of the base on Victor's there was a mitzvah tea Mott's and there was a mitzvah tea tomorrow today biblically there's no Mitzvah tea tomorrow anymore because what's more amore is a holla after smarter is to remember this slavery so in the time of redemption they remembered the slavery but may not Toyota today you know if to remember the slavery so you don't have to eat Mariota de Sade okay the how come and said you should still eat tomorrow but man I tell you you don't need martyr matzah you still eat why he says cuz mats is not only for the enslavement mats is also for the gula so it's in the time of the base submitters when matzo had a dual identity of course you dip it in cirrhosis because car Isis also represents the enslavement but bisman Isaiah when we eat matzah man hot area and it's not safe alive this is only say Sheila Harris because the morrow we don't need today cuz murderer is only murder is only after so we don't eat Mario today so the matzah also lost that element she says there's no place to dip Mattson crisis because matzah represents liberation and Horatius represents subjugation so the matzah remains the voice from the her OSIS the question is and this is where the Rambam halls can the rabbi's institute something today that you're anyway doing i mean hot area with a new reason just like the institute to eat mario for slavery even though it's not mine operator can you say that they instituted to eat mac says they feel out dose when you already have a midsummer a toyota derive it says absolutely not and therefore there's no reason to dip it in the pharaoh so their arm holds Y and therefore he says even today you dip the mats in the horizons but the time of the base of McNish everybody with all they end up the mats into the pharisees but this is a great killers of the Rambam that even today you dip the Matteson crisis we don't do it because most of the poisk in this agree with the Rambam beginning with arrived it tonya kvass a durable economy we have a browser that supports rob Johanna who says that it's for the clay for the for the cement for the tit the price it tells us travelin you should mix into your her Isis different types of spices they Charlotte even different types of spices that will look like straw as a commemoration for the tavern for the straw that the Jewish people needed to collect in order to mix in to the mud to turn it into clay because the way they make the way they made bricks was how they make bricks they had to take straw and mud earth and water and bring straw and then make the molds and bake it in the Sun or in a furnace so they Charlotte Evan you should bring in also different spices that look like it and the high rises the price it says in the her Isis itself is a shallot it is a commemoration for the clay this is a clear support to Nabil Hana I'm Maria bilasa but if it's all the Gribble oz of the Sun of episodic said car car uranium tag or a high rock slab you shall I am let me tell you what the window vendors in Jerusalem used to say tagger a our merchants like people who have stores businessmen karach is windows through which you look out there was window vendors we have the expression mates it's men haha Rock'em right he looks out from the cracks from the from the peoples from the openings so Tiger Adha rock were the window vendors in Jerusalem this is what they used to say bore you with lula hem tavola mitzvah they would announce they would say come buy spices for the Mitzvah in other words they called car races a mitzvah which is your bilasa was trying to vindicate his position that it's not just a health hazard not to have her isis but it's actually a mitzvah and his proof was from the window vendors of jerusalem who used to call it a mitzvah and therefore he tine is that it is a it is a mitzvah i guess the fact that it became entrenched in the language of the window vendors meant that the tradition by the jewish people was that Horatius was a mitzvah I saw that yeah there's a tree Septimus extubate superior gimel or theft and bates and it says they said on a bilasa bin episodic and a bourbon show that show you can't even imbue shall i am call you make I am rebel aza wasn't just talking about other people he himself was a storekeeper he's one of the ten million but he himself had a store his whole life that was his business he had a friend of any new shall I am he was a company was a sport keeper and he lived in the time of the base on mikdash and the base major was destroyed in his days so when he's talking about the window vendor he's talking about his colleagues he said he wasn't a saying you know he walked by and he heard them say these were these were his his colleagues I saw they bring from the materia system brings into my Erie says that the reason they used Windows was only on Erev Pesach because Arif paste says most people didn't do work and in your shall I'm certainly they didn't do him a lock on era of pacer so therefore they didn't have their stores open they just had like you know at night sometimes you go l'hospital's the gas stations you can't go into the store they just have a window so the era of pace if the store wasn't open they just had a window and they used it they used it for things that he had to sell for Yom Tov he says that's why yeah that's why there were window vendors the same man the blossom Southwark is proving his position that car Isis is a mitzvah from the window vendors in Jerusalem we used to announce come buy spices for your Mitzvah for your her Isis because in the her Isis you put fruits you put like apples and then and other fruits for peers or almonds and so forth and then the oysters used to put some spices also ginger and Simon cinnamon those people who use it still yeah ah some don't use the spices they don't but originally that wasn't a Cana to put fruits in to put spices like ginger and cinnamon right yes yes yes yes yeah chef debate Cepeda gimel identifies in a bellossom and Sadiq and Abu shoal as people who were store keepers their entire lives in Jerusalem and this was in the time of the base image the end of the second base I makers data store on a more homiletic eleven I saw the d'epinay Menachem the not the present Gary ever but the previous Gary Pinterest Menachem alter says that it's a little strange that a bilasa brings the store vendors in true to them as a source that it's a mitzvah I mean on a literal level it's like what the Gemara says earlier in South Omaha Michael Hanley is Charlemagne anivia maintain of VMA the Jew sometimes in Jewish culture there are things that even if they're not prophets their children of prophets so when they do something or they say something there's there's something there don't dismiss it so probably that's what he means that the window vendors they know you know like you want to know the truth go to the window vendors don't go you don't always have to go to the base Madras you have to see what they say in the marketplace goes there yeah they just have like a certain element of tradition so all the arguments could be clarifying he says I'm a more homolytically vol he says that it says what's the lotion Marshall yes McCall Dodie he knows about Madonna Gloria macapagal-arroyo Margie Osmond our colonists mates it's Menaka rockin that God looks through the windows and he peeks through the Haraka Haraka my like little latticework yeah I rock him are like little cracks like in the door you have the peephole you look through it the other person can't see you so Marcius Monica Linus when you look through the window you could see I'm looking through the window you see me I see you matrix been a hawk and when you look through that little crack I see you but you don't see me so he says that in the time of colors in the time of Exile it's the print of matrice manat haram that god's providence is there but you sometimes don't see it because it's a noisy aster aster is concealed so so the her Isis represents as your blade said that they had an apple tree that even in the subjugation of Egypt they didn't lose their faith they went to give birth under the apple tree so he says that's the remiz that the window vendors in Jerusalem understood that even at a time of the urban he lived in the time of the Corbin there is still the the Karakum there is still the harsh Gaza even in the time of subjugation and that's what the horizon represents that's when he says the rebus is that in Jerusalem the window vendors represents the fact that they understood that God is still looking through the window and and and giving provenance for the Jewish people suck the mission of eightish the mr. Mishnah spoke about the first cup of wine then it spoke about bringing the Chiron the carpus and bringing the Matteson the Hazaras and the Horatius and the two dishes and the the sheep or the lamb and the time of the base--emitter dish this is done what happens now mozgovoy case Shanee you pour now the second of the four cups of wine of the night of the sage and it's called mazda because they used to dilute moscow means they used to pour and i loot the wine with water even though you're not drinking this cup now because you still have to say the Haggadah but as we know you fill up the second cup right now before you start saying the Hagaddah the can have been show you loveth and here is where the son asks his father he asks his father and as Rashi explains what's the question the question is why are we pouring a second cup of wine if we're not eating yet they didn't wash it you didn't eat yet you didn't start eating usually you drink wine in the middle of the meal here you pour a cup of wine and you're not eating yet and you're not drinking it yet you're gonna drink it only after that God so that's the first question that the child asks the father and that's why you pour the cup of wine right now the e main das bobbin if the child doesn't have the das the awareness the sophistication the knowledge to ask these types of questions aviv milan died his father teaches him to ask the question if the child is wise enough to ask the question on himself by himself why did you pour the second cup so Rashi and they rush mom explained that's enough you don't even have to ask anything else you could move on with the Seder however if the child doesn't have das then the father teaches them to ask the question and here the mission introduces what are the questions the father teaches a child to ask man astana Lila's at McCullough Leila's what makes this night different than all other nights Trabuco Lila listen Oracle comments of mozzarella is a cool a matzah remember this oh all the nights you come it's and matzah tonight only matzo Mahalaleel Santiago Casilla la Samar all the nights we eat very vegetables tonight we eat murderer now before he said cool IMATS he doesn't say cool a murderer because we're not only eating murder tonight we just had car pass Harper's could be potato or onions or other vegetables but we eat murder tonight we're matzah it's not like we eat oh so matzah we need only matzah we don't need summons that's why by mots it says cool I'd buy Mario just says more Trabuco la lista third questions on oil and buzzer all the nights we eat meat anyway we like Slee you can roast it you can have a barbecue shallow you can cook it very well movor shil well done before so you could cook it in the ordinary fashion charlyk means it's cooked for a long time you can eat as you want a lie lies there tonight who likes li the meat that we eat is completely roasted because the datoria obligates us vocalist a busser of Malaya as its Liege right you have to take the sheep or the lamb and roast it in the fire you now let her cook it in a pot you don't bake it in an oven yeah put it in a you put it in there in the fire itself with a spit it has two beats Li Li Lhasa cool I cool lights Li it's completely completely Slee this night which also follows the of Ben Tama that the second carbon that they brought often on air of pesos the carbon car Ginga also has to be roasted that's why he says going to say cool lights li now obviously we don't say this question today right here it's interesting we see a new question we don't say cuz we don't have cool it's Li this only applied to the time of the Mesa mix there's the Mishnah here is recording the ideal Seder and the ideal say there you asked us to Charlie asked this question but tonight today you can't ask this question because actually we're going to eat chicken or we're going to eat meat and it's not going to be roasted on fire it's going to be cooked or baked or sauteed however you make it but it's not going to be it's not going to beat sleep so this is very fascinating that this question does not apply today in fact our minute today is that we don't even eat roasted meat in the night of peso so actually not only we don't say it because we don't have to but according to the mimic we don't even do it it's inappropriate to eat sleep so this question was deleted the last question is summer color Leila's on new math bill and Pamela Salazar's napalm and the Gemara is going to make an election here but the way we read it now is shabak Holloway lists under there's different gears this year but let's read our new math bill and p'march us all the nights we dip one saliva as I step on him tonight we dip vegetables twice Karpis and then murder we're going to dip again so we had here for questions comments matzah murderer roasted meat and finally and finally the dipping those are those are the four questions the interesting thing is that nowadays this is what the Vilna Gaon writes in his Haggadah nowadays after the Corbin of the base of English we took out this question and we replace it with another question which question has Sabre reclining which the mission doesn't mention the Vilna Gaon hair has a very fascinating shop and he says that in the time of the base I'm ignition at a time of the mission that they couldn't ask that question because they always used to recline they reclined all year slaves didn't recline people who were eating on the run did it recline but a regular prominent person reclined so he's not gonna say manage spanner doesn't make sense because I Leila son Oakland Eurasian of mr. Bernard Ilah is a Kelowna masseur but no all nights of the year they would eat mr. Bern so he says that wouldn't apply in the time of the besan McNish but in later generations when reclining went out of style like today nobody reclines so you could say - tom hollie Lisette McCullough Leyla's that's the interpretation of the Vilna gone in his Haggadah the problem with this is according to the Rambam the Rambam in hills has come it's a matzo the scribes the say during the time of the baser McNish and the questions they asked and he puts five questions and the time of the basin McNish one is the roasted meat the carbon basis and also the question of his saber so it's obvious that according to the round mum he believes that the question of us say but was even at the time of the base on mikdash because there's an obligation for everybody to recline where other night is not an obligation you could you could not so he says clearly then at the time of the base i'm english it also had a question of a saber Laura was doing something the Mishnah this is the mission yes of course the mission was written after the Corp whining no so film ago and said that even at the time of the Mishnah reclining didn't stop right up to the curb mr. Mukesh it continued for hundreds of years later so even then the Mishnah wouldn't incorporated that's his opinion right yeah no no it continued for many years later he says at some point the first Tiger that we have the text of the Haggadah we have even though a lot of the text of that God that we have in Mishnah and we haven't set free which is even before the Mishnah or or it's it's it's it's it's not it's around the period of the mission er but the most text of that the majority is regarded that was formulated as our Haggadah is only for much later generations time of the we have the Haggadah of amram going the manuscript and british museum so that's already you're dealing with the 800 to 900 to 1000 s no no they had the Haggadah but i'm saying our text of the Haggadah fully formulated in such an organization we have only from later but it originates already in the time of the mission and even before the time in the mission or will soon see there's a lot of things we'll say was direct quotes from the mission so there's no question I'm just saying the gardens the villa makan says that this question was only added later as a substitute to the fourth question that they had to delete after the horbet [Music] no no not that I ever saw you know that at some point when they stopped eating with a saber a whole year the Vilna gone so they decided you know what let's put this in as the fourth question it's a very good question but I'm just saying when you look in the Rambam hostess come with some mats it's clearer than tell me they sent me there they asked all five questions yes so the Mishnah started off muscular cogentiva can have been soilless of if here that the son asks what does it mean here what do you mean here like not late or not earlier so the rash mom says can the first large bomb on the mission a condom is Zbyszko cheney you pour the second cup now I've been jealous of him in was awesome managed on a ship somebody encouraged any claim I feel it cuz now there's a big question why are you pouring the second cup of wine when you're not gonna drink it because we're not gonna drink this wine until much later when we finish the whole when we finish much of the Haggadah so that's the con this is the place to ask and that's the reason we're filling up the cup of wine to trigger arousal but that's only if the if the child is is attentive and conscientious and and is aware and if not the mission is served then you have to tell him what to ask this is Vera Bay new cable Mirabeau Rebbe Yaakov Ben yakir no Robbie no is Rashi the rash mom's grandfather our Rebbe Rashi his rib eye word teacher Rashi Raj mom was a grandson of Rashi who sat with him and learned by MCA calls him Rubino says he received from his Reba Rashi had a rapper named rabbi yaakov the son of rocker so he says not vikarna benzoyl but with Shane had been soil what does that mean that Shana bench saw what's with Shana Bandra the Shane leery means likewise what's likewise she says Kim Moy Kane Benoist slough cut the cane a means something else when the daughters of slough could come to Moshe at the end of the 40 years right and parishes PIMCO's and they say nagura why should we lose our father slavka died he had no sons only sons are in Haran heirs of the properties the assets of the parent of the father we're gonna go on Terra - so we're not gonna have anything and they weren't married either at the time they weren't married so we're gonna have nothing it's not fear so moisture goes to Hashem Hashem says Cain noise slavka diverse well this came to Iceland so rashly this came from the word like here Eva Connelly there is a basis to what the daughters of slavka are saying came to noise love cadaverous there is saying something right like you say km it's true it's authentic they're saying something right there's a basis to it bases in Hebrew is con a con as a basis kiri vasana the basis of the kheer in other words they're saying something rights like Cain is it's right that's true it's M s came Benoist love co-drivers c says Kalima denude she is show them as Ignis are close managed on the shana benzoyl if the right thing now for the Charle to ask like came be nice of it's the right thing for the child now to ask the question that's what Rashi heard phirni been a yak yak has been yucker not to the sama been troubled with Cana been Shia don't worry you'll get married because the answer of our Shem was not that they'll get married a lavish a look the answer was that if there's no sons the daughters actually get it so it's much more than that even before they got married it was a dinner Nicola on who our new dining Arusha that if there's no sons the daughters get it even if they're not married if they're married they also get it right later they happen to get married later that happened to get married and they actually had to marry in their own tribe Menasha exactly only for that generation because their tribe came to complain and said they're gonna get married and all the all the earth all the territory is gonna go over to their husbands and their children who are gonna be from another tribe they might be from other so they should marry from their own tribe they should choose whoever they want but it should be that too but that was only for that generation yeah yeah so that's the cane cane a bench oil so according to this according to the Rashi and rush mom it's clear that if the child asks about the cop you can go straight over the Marino if the child doesn't have das then the father teaches them to ask - Donna because you need to have questions and answers so the child asks on his own you're good if not teach your child to ask - Donna Lila's a McCullough Leyla's and let him ask and then you could move on with the Seder because there has to be the element of questions and answers this is the of ration or drama water you don't have to ask the mannish town you just need a question if the child asked the question you could move on I should just add that earlier and the Gemara uncuffed estimate Isis argued with this proposition and tae-soo says that even if the child asks his own questions he still has to ask the managed stamina because this is what the Summum established so going to ties was the way you have to read the mission is mozgovoy Hosseini the khan have been soil the manish tano and if the child doesn't ask on his own then teach him the Monash Tama so two ways of interpreting the mission does the child actually have to ask the man astana always that's the view of toy service the view of Rashi energy bomb is no the child asked on his own you could just move on and skip the man Astana which would explain why the man Astana see because according to the Rambam obviously there was the question of his saber also because he puts it into the time to miss some English but it's not in the mission now they're having didn't make up this zone question for the time of the base image he can't do that the diamond would emit so obviously there are had a text where it said the question of a saber but it doesn't say in our mission is either the Rama had another different version or a different Madras or a different source that we don't have in the Casal that they used to ask the time with the be submitted the question of a saber not like the Vilma gone he had that text or you could say that there was actually a time when there was no inherent text meaning based on Rashi and there are bomb it makes sense cuz Manesh done is not a real obligation it's just based on every child so you could feed any question to the child so that's why different children ask different things and there was no uniform text and then at some point they brought it all together they brought it all together and they made a system but originally the system was not inherent because it was more of a voluntary basis just to ask questions so you could be Yosa with different questions and that would explain why the Mishnah deletes has sabor even though even though the question was asked because at some point they did bring them together there should be a uniform system it's like by takea it says that according to many you could do two Kia varam you could do truly do Schwar to be true but then at the end they just made one system so there shouldn't be different when hoggin child asks the question yeah the reason you call him a hawk above the man Astana is I think this Mishnah because if he's a hawker me asked him on his own on his own yeah that's where the expression came aha come from the manage time yes tanana's oh yeah after we can't say anymore no the Mishnah is written after the hormone emission is recording the way they did in the time of the based on victors just like in the previous mission it said that by the based on victors they used to bring a sheep to the table the mission is recording Jewish history and Jewish law in its ideal form not only the way it's now we had to take it out in the time of the mission they all sat to take it out but the mission is riding the way it was ideally just like in the previous mission it says that in the time of the base I mix dish right they would bring the sheep for the carbon pacer so he's talking about the time of the base on mikdash they would actually bring so here - he stole mother time in the me salmon dish and and the bulk of it remains but this detail had to be deleted well the feeders shall been Aviv Malanda and the father should teach the child according to his das according to his capacity according to his comprehension meaning the answer to these questions not be uniform it should bass be tailor-made to your child mamala Calallen right you have to tailor the quest to the answer to him so don't just answer the same answer to all children it's based on his nos based on his ahsoka how do you tell the story says the mission of Maskull big nose so Messiah Bhishma you don't just begin by telling the good parts Maskull big nose you begin with the disgrace you talk about the challenge to struggle the darkness and then you conclude with the praise with the salvation with the redemption this is the foundation of how the Haggadah is created Maskull big no sir Messiah bushwalk in other words that redemption of Egypt as always you not just redeemed you redeemed from a place of Darkness the idea of UT's messiah is not that there's no struggle there's no subjugation there's no bitterness it's just all dandy and sweet and good the idea is no it begins with challenge it begins with goodness it begins with the grid with disgrace it begins with humiliation and it concludes with redemption that's the whole idea of ETS much time that's what you're telling the child Maskull big-nose the Messiah mashallah you're not telling the child that that life is about liberation and emancipation without struggle that everything comes easy that everything is sweet you tell the child that we have the capacity for transformation we always have the capacity for renewal that's the foundation of the Haggadah it's very fascinating that the hazael felt that has to be the message don't just talk about the good stuff talk about the journey the journey towards Redemption right the Dervish may I Rami ovid avi at Sigma call her Pasha Kula and the way you tell the story to your child is we're going to expound a particular verse in himesh the verse that begins with I Rami evade avi which is basically perishes kiss of like when you bring your basket of new fruits called bickerin so the plastic says you had to make a declaration to the coin in the based on Victor's to Hashem Vanessa - laughs national Akasha when you brought your Baku room your new fruits to the Cayenne in Yerushalayim right every every year after you had a new fruits you brought the Baku rim and there's a whole declaration and purchase key survey and what did you say i Romney IV Davi the man from I Rami try to destroy my father by jäger admit time my father went down to Egypt by yogur Shum and he lived there Bhima say Murat with a very small group by Hisham the guy God alot summer of and he developed into a big strong and great nation and we continued about the affliction and the enslavement and the cry of the Jewish people and that's the parsha those are the verses that we're gonna read in the Haggadah and expound on those verses and this line in the mission becomes the basis of the Haggadah once you get once we finish mahisha UMDA right what do we do say Ahmad ma be kesh lovin Hara me lasses lack of evolution mr I Rama IV Davi and then the rest of the Haggadah till we get to remand I'm lil till the last piece we're gonna drink the wine what is it people don't often realize this structure is very intricate it goes through those verses quotes a verse expounds on it like he says dyrus explains it and in that small verse and that small few verses you have the story because it's interesting if you were to if I would ask you if I were to tell you I want you to compose if God were sure comes and says every year pacer we have to tell the story to our children and I I choose you to write the text which text would you use you need a text to read in order to tell the story what do you think would be the logical text to use what would you choose ah I'm saying which which text if you have to choose a text to read so with which which parshas would you choose the higher you should sit down read partial mice partials Ferreria partials blowing you're done 'i'm the whole story we don't mention any effect don't just do the story read the story you have a beautiful story a sad story a happy story go through we don't do that we choose a few verses from partials cassava right little I'm Amish a few to three versus Mama's to three versus where we have the whole story compressed mamas in miniature form a Romney over WI yogurt um by various uh Noah midstream by a nooner by eating a lane to avoid the culture but neat circle are similar Kaveri saying no by ish masculine is an enemy some Elena Muslim say no by HC mmm it's trying be up Kazakh will be Zarina to you we take those few words and that becomes the text and that's what we expand on it's very interesting we don't use the original text of the story what do you think the reason for that is but you see that's what he says with Irish my ran me over Tommy actually you might call a partial cooler you take that partial from be Korean the very small miniature version of Jewish history literally in a few seconds those verses take a few seconds and that's what you expound and that's becomes the basis of the text of the Haggadah that you finished this parsha that deals with you Tia Smith sir I am and you're good isn't that interesting what do you think the reason for that is you never thought about this right but if you were if anybody here had to choose the text of that god you would have chosen another text like we don't even do the ten plagues the way that says in homage we say dubber after Bianca's Oakhurst I am and this is time and that spot him and it comes out to ten plagues it's Mama's the story contained in a few verses the whole story and then we expound on that story and we show how every word really contains the whole long story in choice vain but we don't do the long story we do the short story and from there we expound on the long stories it's very fascinating by the structure of the Haggadah your child never asked you this question this is the best question this is the best question so that I saw the mountain says I don't have a clear answer to this I'm just telling I'm bringing up the question but we see clearly the mission is telling us the structure don't go to Smiley's of an area boy I want you to go to Paris cassava which is not the story it's a completely of little veneer it's a mitzvah drew brings bit Korean and incidentally when you bring Bacall him you have to thank God when you thank God you go through Jewish history so one way of understanding it is because actually that's the way the tailor repeats the story at a later generation when you're bringing bickering that's how you repeat the story so I'm pacer we're repeating this story so we go to that pasture that does the repetition not the original story that's one way of looking at it the malbim says it's actually based on the fact that the whole idea is to teach it to the child so the trader says you don't always have to do an hour-long story sometimes it's ten seconds the whole story afternoon I think that's a very powerful idea it's a very powerful idea you know giving over the tradition is not long lectures look who's talking huh sometimes you lose the person yeah okay yeah exactly you you you take the story that's what the title does over there the two three pursue cumin you have it all and and the point is you have it all and that's what the how God that shows you I gotta says if you analyze each word Vineet saghai Yaron yeah no I'm Melana like I'd say no God God though if you take every word ultimately you can unravel the word and you'll have it all there and that's the idea we learned in the my movie Edyta tougher in Zion the gomorrah says la jolla la mission or them will tell me to be there a surah you should always teach the kids that in the kid sir in the brief ability you have to have everything everything should be there but it's in a way that's compact and presentable so since the Haggadah is about the child so the malbim says you do it very very brief and that's the whole idea you could put it into into the briefest way some children you can unravel it some children don't unravel it just just give it that way it's a very very a very powerful idea I think for education the Megillah you're saying is the opposite right longer than a megillah' longer than the Megillah but it's it's fascinating people don't ask her why would the hazael not choose the text that God wrote you have a text it's really a very powerful question like take that all this history now yeah like like to eat the whole story is written up beautifully it's one of the longest stories in so much three portions Smiley's animated by just sit down and tell the story and plagues you have it all here no we're deducing the ten plagues would be absolutely my tongue cuddle its constant to the sons perhaps right you saying it's harder here you can do a whole so like if you realize in the Haggadah when we say the ten plagues we don't say it as part of the story we say it as part of the - in the sukham of partially suffer we deducing it from the verses we don't say them a direct fashion maybe if you say too much they explain everything I hear yep okay pesos is interesting even after Pesach in the first line it says the Dogon said that one of the hardest things is to be for Simba off to do so [Laughter] you know many huh god this at the end of the say that has her salsa de pacer right the whole song has salsa de pacer the the ballot Anya now turban his a God that he didn't put in her salsa de Pesach so it says yeah the previous Lubavitch Rebbe said because doctor ever wanted to say uh spacer and X's Nations her salsa de peces means the Seder is over he was saying it doesn't end the light of pacer always continues so he mama should the Haggadah he deleted her sauce at the pace this class is brought to you by the achieve Annette please help us continue the classes make even a small contribution at triple w dot a yeshiva net / donate