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>> Welcome to Inside ArtScroll, [music]
where the books that we read and the
people that write them come to life.
It's a pleasure to welcome Rabbi Yisroel
Asher Weiss to ArtScroll Studios. Thank
you.
Now, Rabbi Weiss, I'm particularly
excited to talk to you because 98% of
the people on Inside ArtScroll are
authors. And that kind of makes sense.
But it's just a snapshot inside
ArtScroll from the author's perspective.
You bring a whole different world into
the conversation. So so share with us
briefly
what do you do on your day-to-day and
why you're such an integral part of
production.
>> Well,
I have several jobs inside the
very, very complex process
that starts when an author writes or
translates a safer
and ends when we print the book
that most people that
read the books don't even know exist.
But
it's ArtScroll is known for being very
careful about the quality of our work
and the fidelity of the work to the
translations that we do from the
original to the translations that we do.
And that takes a tremendous amount
of hand-holding throughout the entire
process.
We need an author. After we have an
author, we have an editor. After we have
an editor, we have a reader.
Then
back from the reader to the editor
again.
And at that point, when we have a
finalized edited manuscript,
it's given to a whole bunch of people.
And it has to be read for many different
reasons. It has to be read to make sure
that the text, the Hebrew text, is
correct. It has to make sure that the
Hebrew text that we have on the top of a
volume and the Hebrew English text that
we have in our elucidations
match.
Then the Nikud, which often is done
in-house,
has to be checked to make sure that it's
correct.
The English has to be checked. The
sources have to be checked. The
readability has to be checked. And the
P'shat has to be checked.
We have separate people who do all of
those things.
So, every manuscript, I'm talking mostly
about the Hebrew English works like the
Paleyaus,
goes through four or five or six
different people who read the entire
manuscript
and send back
uh suggestions, corrections, ha'aros,
and many times they don't match.
There'll be three people who suggest
that something has to be corrected three
different ways.
And you can't put in all the corrections
because that'll just make the problem
worse.
There needs to be a clearinghouse where
everything that is suggested and
corrected has to come to one place
and then it's what we call merged.
So,
I'm the merger for the all of the or
virtually all of the Hebrew English
projects that we work on. Paleyaus, most
recently Rashi, Sefer HaShaylah
u'Teshuvah, but every project pretty
much that comes through the
uh
the mill, so to speak, eventually winds
up on my desk
and
it keeps me very busy.
Aside from that, I also edit certain
projects, Pele Yoetz having been one of
them, so.
>> Who translated the Pele Yoetz?
>> My son, Mosha, was the was the one who
translated Pele Yoetz for us. Baruch
Hashem, yes. I have several sons now
working for us translating various
works, so Baruch Hashem.
>> So, on some level, you're the behind the
scenes of the behind the scenes.
>> In a way, yes, but uh it it keeps us
very, very busy, and one of the literary
editors on many of these projects is my
rebbetzin, so
I work with her as well. So, Baruch
Hashem, it's a a family affair in a way,
but we keep
>> Just that your last name is not
Zlotowitz.
>> Can't have everything.
>> Rabbi Was, when did your relationship
with ArtScroll start?
>> So, I started uh working for ArtScroll
in 1990.
It's uh it's been a busy 36 years.
And originally
ArtScroll was just on the cusp
of
expanding tremendously. It was right
before the Mesorah Heritage Foundation
actually came into existence, which it's
now 35 years.
And we had just done a couple of the
volumes of the Shas at that point.
Makkos was done,
and Eruvin was done,
and Rabbi Zlotowitz, zichrono livracha,
was casting his net
to try to find people
to write
masechtos in Shas going forward.
And uh my
my I am have a masechta sort of at that
time
was Bava Basra, and I had learned Bava
Basra many, many times.
>> You couldn't pick a shorter one?
>> So, and
as many people know
Rabbi Sladowsky
was very, very close to Rav Dovid
Feinstein
who was my uncle.
And when he was looking for people to
write the sechtas, Rav Dovid suggested
that if he needed somebody to write Bava
Basra, he should please reach out to me.
I met him at a MTJ dinner, I remember,
in 1990 and he asked me to write a
sample. So, I I wrote Daf Beis.
I came in that that summer and I got
grilled by
a very determined group of talmidei
chachamim.
>> Can we know who they are? Or that's
>> Well, some of them are household names.
Rabbi Sherman, Rabbi Danciger, Rabbi
Chaskel Danciger.
Uh
Rav Rav Nossonel Kasnett,
Rav Binyomin Davis and Rabbi Davis was
were among them and Rosh Yeshiva Kollel,
Rav Hershel Goldwurm,
I still have the printout
which came on the kind of
printer that had holes on the side, if
you remember I don't know if you're old
enough to remember that is.
And I got the printout of Daf Beis back
from them with 57 hours
on it.
And I asked for a meeting. I said, "I
agree with some of them. I don't agree
with some others and can we sit and
talk?" And I came that day and we
schmoozed for a few hours. I won some, I
lost some. But after that, they decided
that they were willing to give me the
job. So, that's how I started. I started
as a
>> 57 hours on every forthcoming um
>> No.
>> No. That was the trial by fire. That
that's how it worked. We always get
hours, but that's that's you know,
that's what makes it so good because
everybody asks and one of the hidden
siyata dishmaya that ArtScroll has
always had
is that all of us
nobody is uh
stuck on doing it his way.
If we discuss something and
we come out, this is the chat that makes
the most sense.
Everyone is mevatel daas and
that's a very, very big reason I think
for our siyata dishmaya.
But I I worked for ArtScroll for 3 years
doing Bava Basra.
And in the course of those 3 years
it became apparent to Rabbi Eislandwitz
that it was not going to be possible
to give the mesechtas to single authors
and keep the pace that we had committed
to for klal Yisrael.
We did all of Shas
excuse me
in 15 years.
Two months a zman of Daf Yomi. We did we
did all of Shas.
And so we started breaking the volumes
into multiple pieces
and giving six or seven different people
the job of finishing a whole volume.
And it became very apparent that there
was a danger in doing that because if
one of your editors was a Brisker and
one of your editors was a Telzer and
both of them had a sugia that involved
the breira
you would get two notes explaining how
breira worked and they would not be the
same.
So we lost a certain amount of
consistency
as we were preparing.
So
this came to light when
when we had a
a problem in one of the volumes and
Rabbi Eislandwitz at that point came to
me. I was still in kollel. I was working
on Baba Basra only part time and he came
to me and he asked me if I would be
willing to take on the additional job
of reading the Gemaras
before they were printed and making sure
that everything was consistent.
And I was very happy to do it.
That's was in 1993 and I've been doing
that for the last 33 years
for all of the for the for the all of
the Shas and the Hebrew Shas and the
Chinuch and the Kitzur and all of those
Seforim that that people have Baruch
Hashem on their
bookshelves.
That's the process that they have to go
through.
And if we do a good job, they can't
tell.
So how deep does the consistency or the
congruency of of it go? That means let's
say let's pick your Braira example. In
Baba Basra, Kobi you edited the entire
thing so you know that you had to give
the same understanding of Braira in both
Sugyas. But let's say the Gemara brings
up Braira in Beiya. So once we've
done it already,
the idea in a perfect world is that the
editor who's doing Beiya knows that we
already printed
a different volume
and he looks there and he sees what we
did and he copies from that, not copies,
but adjusts it so it should match the
Sugya. As we got further into the Shas,
we got better at that. Obviously today
because of computer
technology that has improved, we're even
better at that.
It's not a perfect world because
everybody we we don't want to be
slavishly consistent.
That's not a maila.
Everything has to be a little bit
different. Sometimes Rashi used two
words that he didn't use in a different
Sugiyem. And we want to reflect that.
But we do have a good staff of people
who work very hard to have a lexicon
for each project. We're going to spell
this word this way. We're going to spell
Avraham, not Abraham. And again, over
the years we've adjusted. If you look at
the English Shas,
we use Genesis. We used Abraham. It was
a different daughter. Today, when we
print our Shas, we use Avraham. We use
Bereishis.
That was the decision. I think it's
already 15 years that we've been
switched over from the more scriptural
way of describing things because our
audience has changed.
The people are learning more. They're
more familiar with the with the Mekorot.
And because of that, we adjust with the
times.
But we always try, certainly within a
project,
to translate the same thing the same
way. If you have a a note that you
already wrote about a certain thing, you
try to use what you have already.
And
it's a job.
>> On a lighter note,
>> Yes.
>> you identified a big part of my trauma.
I learned Talmud and Brisk.
>> So you didn't even know where you were
going [laughter] with that. But you
understand exactly what I'm talking
about.
>> I didn't have a Brera.
>> [laughter]
>> It was totally B'di'eved in this case.
>> Very good.
Um
So you personally
learned every single daf of the
ArtScroll Shas from the beginning until
the end just to make sure that there was
congruency in it?
>> Starting I I I didn't have to do Eruvin.
Eruvin was done before
I
I was on board.
And Rabbi Reisman did a great job
anyway. So it really wasn't that much of
an issue with Eruvin because he did the
whole thing. He knew what he wrote and
he was looking at what he wrote. And
there were a couple of volumes in
between when I started the master when
we got to
I did them the second time around.
But initially, yes, once once I started
I read
probably every volume that that
Artscroll has published in Hebrew and
English. The gave me the ability to read
very quickly.
>> Wow. I I can't even begin to think about
how much information you have to absorb
and retain.
>> But then think about doing that with
every work with six copies of every page
because
everybody sends in their hours
>> You're the clearing house.
>> Exactly. I call it the back stuff. But
the beauty of it though is that although
I have to go through everything it
doesn't fall on me to solve all the
problems. A lot of them, the simple
ones, the ones that are straightforward
I take care of myself. But we have
amazing scholars
Rabbi Rabbi Goldwurm obviously left us
too soon, very early in the process. But
one of the people that carried the load
for many many many years who I was
worked with hand in glove for decades
was Rabbi Millerwitz of blessed memory
of blessed memory. Who also was an
amazing talent when it came to reading
quickly, didn't have to sleep. And
he could just answer you. Didn't matter
what you asked him. You call him up, you
would ask him and he would have an
answer. So that was a very valuable
resource. You battle him.
Uh Rabbi Shore of blessed memory.
Although I don't deal with him that much
directly but when we have a question
that needs an answer,
he makes himself available. Reb
Melinetzer Reb Elio has
sort of stepped into his father's shoes
to a certain extent, and he's always
available when a consultation is needed.
The rabbis Danziger, Apfel, and and and
Reb Chezkal, Reb Eli Hertzka, nobody
stints their time when I call because
they know that I'm asking because we
have to take a volume to print, and I
actually need an answer. It's not
something you can push off. So,
it gets done. It's It's a busy job. I
work late nights, but it gets done.
>> I I I want to double-click on something
you said before.
I was trying to put myself into the
shoes of an of an editor.
I'm talking about not an editor that's
editing a story book. An editor that's
editing Pela Yutes, Yisroel Avrohom
Avida, Yisroel
>> Sure.
>> And I give my RS I give my input,
and it gets ignored.
Or my input is not addressed.
At some point, does that create a
certain sense of rejection to the
editor? Or because everything is the
same shamayim, you let it slide, and you
move on?
>> Right. So, it's an interesting question
because there's many levels to it.
Editors are almost never ignored
because the way we usually work here in
ArtScroll
is that the author's job is to provide
the manuscript, the backbone.
He understands that we're not printing
when we're talking about a safer. He
understands that we're not printing what
he wrote. He's giving us the template to
to make better and to fix.
So, the author will give something to us
and sign off on it. Right. The editor is
responsible
for the thing that gets printed.
So, when the editor sends it to the
reader,
and the reader has his he's horas, the
editor is the one that fixes it.
So, his input is
essentially his is the ultimate input.
When it comes to pages, the horas that
we get
are on 5% of the work. It's not being
redone at that point.
And usually
these are things that the editor either
didn't think of,
would not have been worried about
because he didn't deal with the other
Gemara that became a problem.
So, most of the time the editors are
very happy. They say, "Thank you for
catching that." And usually the editors,
by the time I'm doing my work, are
already into the next volume, and
frankly they're very happy if I don't
bother them.
So,
the reader sometimes, I mean, it's an
interesting story, but Rabbi
Millerowitz, in the early years, when he
he was a reader on everything,
he said he used to play with his
children a game.
He used to have his sheet of horas that
he sent in.
They would take the printed volume, they
would open the printed volume, and they
would see, "Did they listen to me? Did
they not listen to me?" He said, "And
whenever they listened, they would clap.
And whenever they didn't listen, they
would say, 'Uh boo.'" He said, "After a
while, he stopped doing it because he
saw it with too many times that we
didn't listen." But the truth the truth
is that
nobody takes anything personally because
we're all here for the same reason. We
want to put out the most accurate
product that we can. And nobody should
think that
everything is perfectly
accurate. Nothing is perfectly accurate.
If you look at what the app people which
is another one of my jobs,
the the app people, when they put things
on the app, one of the things they do is
they look up every single source
because they have to hyperlink it.
>> Correct.
>> And sometimes the note number is wrong,
sometimes the sif number is wrong,
sometimes
a daf in your shul may be wrong.
Whenever they make a
change, before they make a change, they
have to send me an email detailing the
change and explaining why they did it so
I can just say, "Okay, approved."
Because we want to have a record of
every change that we make and why we
made it.
In the course of the last 10 years, I've
gotten thousands of such emails. There
are always little things that can be
made better because we're not AI, we're
human.
>> Good.
But my wife what when you when you
produce a very complex safer, let's say
a more esoteric safer,
like you say a Mishnah Berurah on
Yevamos on some level,
and it come the the buck stops at your
desk, are you thinking about the highest
common denominator or the lowest common
denominator?
Which I'm talking about the reader who
could could learn Yevamos on his own no
problem, but he's using the ArtScroll
maybe for that
insight that he couldn't get to.
>> it it's a very interesting example that
you pick.
We have a
I'm going to say a rule that we follow.
Things that we don't understand, we
don't try to explain.
And a lot of Zohar's,
parts of them fall into that category.
We had this in Ramban, we had it in
we had it in Chinuch to an extent.
We're having it now in Kli Yakar to an
extent.
And it was negaya in Yisod HaShoresh
HaAvodah, too.
Rabbi Wenzelberg in Yisod HaShoresh
HaAvodah together with Rabbi
Morgenstern, shlita,
did an amazing job
of bringing down the esoteric
to a level that we're comfortable
giving it to people to read.
To write, you know, this seat and this
the different things up in shamayim that
we haven't been zocheh to see yet,
to pretend that we understand how that
it would be that would be disingenuous
of us.
And we sort of have a
disclaimer note
that we use many times, which says, "A
precise description of X is beyond the
scope of this elucidation. We have
endeavored to provide only a basic
translation."
And that's what we do.
But we try hard
to give enough
so that the sense of what the Yisod
HaShoresh HaAvodah wanted, which really
is
how much how important this is,
how much a person has to care about what
he's doing when he's saying what he's
saying.
That's what we try to do. And the Yisod
HaShoresh HaAvodah was brilliant,
makes it very clear in the sefer itself.
He says, "You can't have the kavana that
you need to have.
You don't know how. But it doesn't
matter because God doesn't expect you to
do what you can't do. And therefore, if
you have the kavana, Ribono shel Olam,
please take the kavana that I'm having
and fill in the blanks the way you know
how."
That's what you should do.
So even the author of the Shulchan Aruch
himself understood our limitations.
We try to stay in our lane. We don't No,
we don't go past what we can do.
There have been certain things that we,
especially in Ramban, it happened when
they're very, very
Kabbalistic, we didn't translate them.
Because
it would not help to
give names to things that we can only
guess at what they mean.
Not everybody follows that when they
translate, but that that's that's what
we usually do in ArtScroll.
>> Are you responsible for some of the
translations
that really don't have an accurate
translation? I'm going to give you like
one example.
Do you know how ArtScroll translates the
word tum'at met?
>> Probably tum'at met.
>> Corpse tum'ah.
>> Corpse tum'ah, yeah.
>> Who Who thought of the I I would I was
looking at the recently cuz I'm starting
to look at I was Who thought of that?
>> Probably
Yisroel Danciger.
>> Okay.
>> I'm I'm I'm I'm just guessing. I mean,
if you wanted an example of one that I
was responsible for, it goes all the way
back to the beginning.
Hezekiah.
It was a question, how should we
translate Hezekiah?
>> Right.
>> Damaged by seeing.
>> line is it's
>> Right, that's when it came up. We
started
damaged by seeing. It It we thought it
was too clunky. We wanted something that
sounded a little more elegant.
So, we decided we were going to call it
visual trespass.
Right? Which is an elegant turn of
phrase.
You would be surprised
how much
blood, sweat, and tears
goes into how to translate one word in a
Mishnah. I still remember
a meeting which lasted
3 and 1/2 hours. Six of us
back and forth, up and down, how to
translate
Mishnan Ben Naim. Which is it's a
Mishnah in Bava Basra, it's an odd
meaning. The Gemara debates exactly what
it means, and we were trying to find a
translation that would work in the
Havamina
and also in the Maskana, because one of
our big rules in
the Shas was try not to give away the
show before the Talmud learns.
>> Like Rashi always says, the Gemara will
fire away.
>> Right. Exactly. Don't don't give away
the show. Even though
today's day and age
the the Magidei Shiur that that say
shiur
they don't do it that way. They give
away the show before they start. But we
were trying to train people to read, to
learn, how to learn. We didn't want them
to know everything until we fed it to
them a little bit at a time.
Literally took us hours, and I remember
we we ended the meeting, and we weren't
happy. And late late that night I got a
phone call from Reb Ely Hershkowitz,
and he said, "Yes, Sefas I got it."
And he told me, and he was right. And
that's what we went with. But these
things happen all the time. There's a
there's a healthy dose of
caring a lot,
but there's also a healthy dose of
Siyata Dishmaya. And and I could tell
you a hundred stories
of
somebody called me up a day before
something was supposed to go to print.
He said, "I was looking at this note
because I had to look at it for
something else, and there's something
wrong there you have to look at it."
And I would pull out the file, open up
the file, look at the page. It was
perfect.
There was a stupid mistake in the note
before, which passed everybody. Nobody
would have looked at it. It would have
gotten printed. The only reason I saw it
was because he called me to look at
something which was correct. And once it
was opened, I noticed that wait, that
that can't be right. And it got fixed
because
watches over us.
>> Your job literally reminds me of the
Khunya ben Akiva.
>> Yeah?
>> 100%
it's a awesome responsibility.
>> Baruch Hashem.
>> But it seems Baruch Hashem like you have
this after the Shmaya.
>> We we try we try very hard and and
everybody is very very focused on making
sure that we do
the best we can. We're not perfect, but
it's a lot of work.
I'm working now. We just finished uh you
know, everybody knows we we finished
we just finished Rashi at least at least
project and and and Robert project
you say the
they all came to a head at the same
time. So you'd say, "Oh, so there must
not be much doing."
Titus in the beginning of Sukkah and
turn it by Leo and the
Katanas and Kli Yakar and the second
volume
of Sukkah and
>> And the Mishnah Berurah and and the and
the
Rashi's in Hebrew.
>> Rashi's in Hebrew the Hebrew Hebrew
Hebrew projects I don't have to work on.
Baruch Hashem.
When the Hebrew Shas
started on the way
so the same work that I was doing on the
English Shas I was working on the Hebrew
Shas as well.
>> Wow.
>> And it wasn't good
for two reasons. First of all, my Hebrew
is fine when it comes to finding
problems. But if I had to rewrite a
note, my Hebrew is not on the level that
I would be able to write the note and
get it ready to print. English I can fix
a note and you can print it. In Hebrew I
can't do that.
And when a Hebrew volume and an English
volume came down the pike at the same
time, which happened a lot during those
years, I had to choose which one to do
first, and it was a problem because
nobody wanted to hear that the other one
had to wait.
So, I spent a few years working with
Rabbi Cohn.
>> Sure.
>> And he took over the Hebrew. So, Hebrew
only volumes Rabbi Rabinowitz
took over.
Rabbi Cohn
and and Rabbi Cohn now in Eretz Yisrael,
so I don't have to work with those
volumes. Baruch Hashem, I I'm I'm busy
enough with the with the Hebrew-English
stuff, but on a regular basis, I'm
working on five different projects at a
time. That's That's That's just a
regular Tuesday for me.
>> Amazing.
Um this has been a super fascinating
conversation. I feel like we just
started
learning and understanding. And Hashem
should just give you the siyata
d'Shmaya, the strength, the koach, the
stamina that for many, many more years
you should be assisting ArtScroll in
putting out the near-to-perfect products
that they produce. Amen. I Thank you so
much for your Thank you so much for your
time. It was a zchus. You're very
welcome.
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