Rabbi Yom Tov Glaser - Jewish Thought: Is There a G-d Dispute?

ok so this we're going to handle today we're going to handle the three biggest burning issues of Judaism in general and and really the ultimate issue is why is this relevant to me in my life why is this really make a difference and number one is is there a god number two is the Torah really God's will you know there's other people think God wrote books you know why is ours the definitive word of God as opposed to theirs right and and number three is even if you say these are that there really is a God and you say that sign I really happen who says the transmission of Torah is an accurate transmission right and get those three questions I think we'll do this in three parts we'll see how far we get with each part and we'll take it from there okay I like to go first of all with God question I'd like to go with the the simplest answer of all the answers it was brought by the rambam but we'll we'll make it especially clear and the simplest of all the answers is that we're handling three questions here is their God GOG of the turret mount sinai and three is how do we know the transmission of what is a Jew and how does that you live his life accurate today so we're going to go with the simplest understanding of God and that is that the that the world didn't create itself it doesn't stand to any reason or any logic for us to think the world created itself we know the world was created we know there was a time so to speak where there was no world whether you're a big banger and you believe that God created the world from you know a speck of matter and that was a condensed you know intensely condensed you know piece of matter that exploded into the Big Bang so before that little speck of matter there was nothing or you're into Genesis if you're into the book of Torah of Genesis before there was something that was not eat way you're starting with nothing and when you start with nothing and then you have something it's already defies all possible logic because everything in the physical world is cause and effect this table is the cause of a preview is the effect of a previous cause which which wherever they made this table whatever they made it out of also had a previous cause that created the metal for the table in the wood for the table everything it's always caused in fact everything comes back you know every chicken came from an egg right every tree came from a seed that was in a fruit of a previous tree in previous fruit so so everything in the world's cause and effect so why would I think that the the world itself was not caused by some kind of creator it had to have been made by a being because if there was absolute nothingness there's absolutely nothing to create it which means it would never been created even that speck that condensed piece of mask that they want to say the Big Bang started with even that wouldn't exist unless God created it to begin with because there otherwise there would be absolutely nothing yeah you wouldn't have that question because it's nothing how can you have nothing nothing doesn't exist anyway Oh like that you could say that just as well it happens to me we don't we know it wasn't meaning that there wasn't just a particle sitting around there was there we just we just know there wasn't in science we know there wasn't I wasn't the particle sitting around there was nothing there wasn't God doesn't exist in the way you think things exist for sure God doesn't exist how can something that have not that God doesn't exist but how can something have made something that always exists the world definitely ought doesn't always a world crew was created and and the world was created and began and went like if you're into Genesis it says in the beginning so there's the beginning if you're in a science so before the Big Bang there was and there began the world okay but God doesn't exist in physicality God doesn't take something of space and time what's the question he's not he doesn't have any existence he's pure that's what I'm saying where any concept you've ever had a God always exists has to have him it'd be this being that would that exist we don't have any not in any way you think existence exists doesn't but it would be it would be highly illogical that the world made itself from nothing and so we call that then they exist the way we would understand existing looking out of nothing and say that there is a we say the world cream out of nothing yeah and that nothing is what we call God we have no idea what it is just like you can't conceive of nothing and you might say there's nothing in my hands their fault full bear we can't the human mind can conceive of them as something but you cannot scientifically analyzed nothing not there there is no better'n nothing exactly except for what what's the big issue that makes us start wearing suits us and keep us and keeping kosher all it we already said it several times now Steve remember we have good common sense logic that what it's exactly what we said good that what forgot you knew I knew your name I didn't want to guess I know that's already breathe let's bring up another issue but but the point is for us is is that the the fact that there's a world here is why we call it God if there was not a world if God never made a world we would never call it God right just because there is a world doesn't necessarily created it see where'd it come from then out of nothing but that nothing probably had a lot to do with making the world there was no Home Depot a weird guy God got the world from Home Depot there was nothing not any not any physical form the physical universe God does exist how God exists but we have no idea what that is so if there was no world so it wouldn't exist anyway because it doesn't it's not made of anything there's no existence to it however now that we have a world that means that there's some being that has a lot of intention that made the world nothing doesn't make anything sorry nothing makes nothing nothing always makes not never changes no no you're doing great your your believe me your this is normally when someone talks to the teacher everyone else shuts down you're doing exactly what needs to happen right now you're keeping everyone in they do they do i do too i just been through this many times okay if you want to say that that mean it works I creo we can call it a creator and the once you start getting into the design then it goes even further wow what design but let's just say a creator right because nothing makes enough exactly will never understand we have no idea we are knowing that what Howard happened what happened well man Kabbalistic me they speak a bit about it but not a ton but the we know nothing about it we know a lot a lot more about the world than we know about God we don't know much about that we know nothing about the world well you have scientists with their theories and you have kabbalists with their tradition and we do and where the world come from itself what's itself what's itself is at itself none of that exists none of that existed either right not exceeding exists in space-time light nothing none of that stuff is God he didn't exist in any of that that's not what God is God is not light but where God is exactly the best word you could use it mean what does God mean to define the word God to find the word god I'm asking you to define I think that's important don't you define the word God you use the word God's you might as well know what you're talking about okay but those are all like like more about God's ability answer nothing he has no definition see well now you're going into design once you start looking at the design the answers because you look at the design you're like whoa this a there's no mistake one over that is so greater than one over infinity so what's going to have created created snarling monkeys right the question is like if you type of you SAT among key right Sanofi down and he just typed away what are the chances that he would come up with a Shakespeare right it would get would probably get less likely the longer types even though it seems like it should get more likely it's just never going to have the answer is never it will never happen over that whatever it is i replied were created from Jason if it was an infinite amount of time one over that no matter what it is probability y is scientifically wise work great so we're saying if the world d create was see that works against that argument because them because the the amount of that is is it's such a vast meaning uh I forgot what the mathematician said but it was something like you'd have to have like you know a quadrillion big bangs to create one earth and that would only happen if there's a god I mean it just would never happen and there was one bit the effect is the universe is not infinite the universe very finite and there's been one big bang and there was an earth that popped out from that so amazing beautiful there must have been a god and could say that no time a world like this would have been created you're right it would have been trillions of years more than that right but then you'd have to ask but then you'd have the whole issue of humans humans procreate another issue humans are major problem in that discussion because humans spend they spend all their time thinking about anti evolutionary the humans are like kind of anti evolutionary for various reasons but one of the most important is that that human beings incredible desire for understanding why or how God created us leads to non evolutionary things it leads to God awareness leads to working less because now you start like resting one day a week it leads to giving which makes you less apt to survive it it leads to me the whole human introspection and extra spection they discover the desire to to know reality and will lead first of all it just doesn't make any sense how we would have been developed such a way because it leads to non evolutionary findings we defy all norms of evolution and survival now there's a problem whenever you're talking probably there's always a probability of every possibility but but your loot you have to suspend all common sense at that point so you keep loving to go back to this probability business but your every time you do that you're suspending common sense no you're not you're suspending common sense what you're doing is you're trying to say anything is possible so we can get God out of our picture when the most simple you heard of Occam's razor in philosophy razor and some philosophy department outcomes razor is that the simplest answer is usually the right one you're going exactly opposite of Occam's razor it's very simple because because nothing makes nothing so the simplest thing is to say that this world was created there is none no even if you go Big Bang you'll notice every professor starts a big bank land I've been in the classes I've been in both in high school and college they always start with that spec they never you can't even discuss you raise your hand you get thrown out of class you want to talk about where the spec came from your trouble they always start with the spec well that's very convenient to start with this back let's talk about what was before the spec why common sense no not created from something use that language you'd say you'd have to say it was always there the spec of mass was always there that's where you'd have to say much more it makes the most common sense that the world was created because it comes from nothing there's no such thing as lighter specs and nothing I could tell you I taught this class to the MIT technion university of physics okay I taught it to the physics has not one person in there argued about the fact that the world's made of nothing but you somehow are arguing about it that's what they say they say the physicists say that there was definitely not a speck at one point the Specht was put there what put the spec there is a question mark we don't know they don't say that they say they don't know what puts bad because nothing exotic well nothing will certainly wouldn't make a world you can't you cannot because because the only way you could possibly figure out that would you need some kind of scientific measure you need some kind of scientific measure how do you how do you measure scientifically nothing mm that's a that's a bit of another subject but they but what they're trying but what you'd have to do is have some kind of instrument of measure that goes outside space and time you're never gonna have an instrument of measure that goes outside is design they know there's no such thing all physics all these things they do with particles proton Neutron electron quarks and gluons and and their particle splitters and then they have over in England and looking for the god particle all that stuff is theoretical physics because science is science ends where space and time begins second you have space and time you are no longer in science you're in theory now there's plenty of sciences theoretical because there's because no because theory is theory is basically it always leaves it a question mark what it's not a question mark at all giving up god no no no you understand you're misunderstanding a question mark when you go in in the in the physics of it if you just leave it as a question mark yeah which is what most scientists I meet like to leave it as okay I mean Hawking's has a bit of a foot spa to like start talking about atheism itself even the biggest atheists most outspoken atheists in the world in England what's that guy's name huh talkington even Richard Dawkins no longer claims to be an atheist you know about that he's at yeah he's he's now calls himself an agnostic and he's like what that's what he says basically but but there but now he went to agnosticism anyway the bottom line is is that the is that most scientists you'll meet will call it a question mark and they leave it a question mark meaning though I've had I had a major physicists in my class was amazing and he was in specifically the study of looking for the one unit of matter that that's the unit of all creation yeah forgot what it's called any but that's the job of theoretical physics anyway he himself said that the that the that it's always was a question mark and will remain a question mark in the world of science what made the world yeah but but the that's because they're scientists that's their job their job is to measure matter their job is to share their findings when they are looking for their look they're trying to look for some kind of observable phenomena that's the job of a scientist now here we don't have there's never going to be an observable phenomena because it's outside of time and space you can't observe something outside sendspace so you're relegated to theory whereas whereas when you discuss with such physics including the physicist who was in this class when you discuss with him that they that that di that nothing existed before there was something yeah you listening nothing existed before there was something so in Judaism we call that nothing God you explain to me why I'm saying that maybe you're just missing this what's your name yoni you know you tell me why am I saying it's God is hardly giving up no you're wrong that's not what I was saying that's I think though that's where you're off in what we're saying you gotta listen with a more diffuse thinking less lesser that's fine listen no no it's clear I think I think everyone's making this mistake a little bit but listen Gary this is it's very subtle but really important to get is that nothing yeah and then something means that but nothing had to have had a lot to do with the something whatever that nothing is yeah well then you'd never have a creation here we go ahead you never have a creation of the nothing's truly nothing if nothing's absolute nothing it's none notes it doesn't take up any space or time or anything it's not light it's not light energy it's not anything it's something that's completely and totally inconceivable but it set the world in motion if you want to be like we just did that's what I said call it call it a slaughter that's why we love the word God because God doesn't mean anything what does God me doesn't mean anything g OD the word g dash D means absolutely nothing in fact it's my favorite name of God by the way over all the other names we is Elohim Chuck hi odna you know olive salad known you would I my favorites actually this one you know why because it means nothing and that's what God really is doesn't mean anything so it's the coolest name of God because it really has no meaning every person you will ask will have a totally different definition and everyone's wrong because it has no definition not nothing created something nothing created something what right we're on the same page we've been on the same page I just I think we just had to get there somehow that's already going to what God's capable of God's not coming out of nothing the world's coming undone and God is nothing God is nothing okay perfect whatever your concept of God is exactly wrong any concept you've ever had a God is exactly wrong cuz it's nothing Roman keep going okay so there's really step two so step one is before there was something yeah there was nothing no there was just nothing there was absolute nothing is there was no relating to anything there was nothing no i didn't i said something had to had to have come from the nothing but right now there is no something this isn't had to do with it not but listen before just stick with this uni just go step by step before there was something what was there nothing nothing before there's some of there was nothing before the spec before anything before the light that made this bag of you notice it before light energy there was absolutely nothing we can't conceive of that and that nothing now it's impossible for there to be a world from that nothing unless of course that nothing has the ability to make the world that's not nothing made it Steve can you help oh why don't we do eternal universe so they first of all a lot of Eastern traditions go with eternal universe Hindu goes with eternal universe the reason we do it is number one is Jews which is our second subject of Sinai we believe this book's divine and it and it does say that there was a beginning this is Bray shoes but you'll see it translates in the beginning before there was Sinai yeah what there's and the word itself doesn't even mean beginning but the word duration but they but the point is is that they are tradition is that God created the world from absolute nothingness and then the world was created if you read the story I mean it's like have you read the jettison you ever read the book very good point that you need the Hebrew no but I'm just saying if you look at the story it's clearly talking about there was in the beginning of God's creating the heaven and the earth which would automatically tell me that there was a point where there was no heaven and earth but rather God created them I'm sorry this is based on the gist this is just what we got at Sinai now we also have the other reason we say is beginning meaning right now all we're doing i hope the only items face down on the steves question but they but what we're doing right now is just dispelling this eternal universe concept which is a more of an Eastern concept scientific findings oh you know what there was a period of time around Einstein's time where they wanted to say they were very uncomfortable with this expanding universe thing because if you say there's an expanding universe it means it's expanding from a point wait when you see something expanding it means it's expanding from a point that word started expanding what's the problem with that is they knew and everyone knows that once you start from a point where it expands from you have God because something had to make it a start for someone had to make it and make it start so what they won't had a theory of an expanding and contracting universe which would fit better with the Easterners yes wow that's an amazing question okay wait so you have that question why would God bother that's amazing we don't have an answer for that Judaism doesn't answer yeah it's a I see a question why would he create it finite as opposed to infinite I mean you have to understand June we don't believe you created it we don't exist this is all none of the creations ever left God's mind gender say what I'm saying so we are part of an infinite universe but as far as what your mot and what the little part of you that feels like it's in this room right now and the time started at ten ten we started and we had 11 and all that clicking away of time is all a figment of God's imagination because this this figment of God's imagination started then yeah it started at a certain point but it doesn't actually exist in any empirical or absolute existence it is completely subordinate and within the mind of God all physical existence watch what happens let's just go through this again before there was something there was nothing okay no before there was something you can't have anything that's the number one number two is that God is so just like there was nothing before something we call God we call that nothing I should really flip it around because that's going to come down here that nothing is what we call God okay that's what we call God which we've already discussed back and forth a million times you say why do you have to fall into God and I and I say because it's common sense because absolute nothingness would never make something number three and four are together there are the two things we know about nothing of God nothingness of God number one is that it is one okay meaning you can't have two nothing's that clear once you have nothing its absolute oneness it is a unified undifferentiated reality or lack of reality because there's no nothing there but it doesn't you know if you multiply nothing by 30 would you get it frame we're filer front what do you get nothing it's nothing and it has no parts what we're not sensing mathematics right now it's oneness it's undifferentiated oneness I just put one because in schmatte says Akkad but it's really what uh what re-sing it just doesn't have any parts yoni no no no math we're not math classes I've been doing this a lot of years I used to like just like a time I understand it's cool but that's why you're picking it up because you're picking it up on your radar some of you got anyone else picking up in the radar yoni's fighting you were to the rest of guys were with yoni i was with the Oni I was totally with yoni so but the thing is you guys are picking up on your radar for whatever reasons you guys pick that up in your writer yoni's been doing very good very good and I don't want to comment more but the but we're doing fine we're doing fine chill out I wouldn't take a deep breath and the butt but I have to explain something to Yanni and to the other four guys who are all cool with this discussion you've been cool with it you got the experience factor yeah okay so fine listen bit yeah re yeah that's why you're here probably because you have the experience to they would they what i mean by experienced factors they experience things where God would have to be you also had some anomalies that yeah so you have the experience factor yeah it's amazing it's made so many times by the way in my life I had the experience factor whereas like okay there's a god I can never ever deny that again and then like a monthly it was gone you know a month later is all out the window and we learned that the get the tour was given at Sinai in 40 days later we're sitting at the golden calf so the experience factor what we're learning from this is that the experience factor must be backed up by some logic to hang in there when the when the experience is gone and I don't know you know it's a memory of the experience and I need to be able to back that up but there's something else I want to share with everybody and then it's something called called diffuse thinking there's two types of thinking what what you've been doing right now has been and what the opposite of diffuse of focus that cute what yeah they're both critical thinking but diffuse thinking would be an aspect of critical thinking where there's you're going to get to the truth of it better it would be like um maybe like you ever seen those pictures where if you stare at them long enough you get to see something totally different that's 3d inside of it you ever seen those they were like popular like 25 years ago you know I'm done yeah so when you look at the picture you just pass a picture you like oh that's yeah kind of ugly a little ugly a lot of specs and everything but then someone says why are you staring to it for a few minutes you stare into it at one minute goes like two min ago three minor you're like I was getting a little boring they like just keep looking keep looking and then eventually boom you're in yeah so what happened what shifted because because the image you see inside that picture really is there what happened was when you were looking at at the beginning you're looking at with I'm gonna call it a cue cuz i dont on the right word but you're looking at with an acute with a cute thinking of critical thing you're looking at within an acute it's all you saw aspects and was getting quite boring standing there staring at those specs but what happened as you stared at it is eventually your mind allowed you into what's called diffuse thinking and in that diffuse thinking you got to see what's there and it really is there because the artist put it there was embedded in it was embedded inside there it exists but it only could come to the mind when you went to the diffuse thinking so I'm using that as an introduction i usually use i do a course in kampala my emphasis over the years has been in kampala but i usually use say what i just said you guys I'm said in years because I'm done the course in years but I used to do a course in Kampala it's a whole semester here university that was that started with teaching about diffuse thinking so you've been approaching this whole decision with a cute thing which I'm happy to do this is essential I'd come with you guys are I don't not here to like okay breathing on my level I'm with you so I want to be if you want to go cute thinking it will go cute thing but there is a point where the diffuse with your cute thinking can get a little too strong you start losing the fact that nothing has no parts once you can't agree with nothing having no parts you know a cute thing he's never going to get anywhere in this discussion whereas its various diffuse thinking is of course nothing has no parts you understand in diffuse thinking I know that 30 times nothing is nothing it has no parts it is an absolute undifferentiated whatever not it's an undifferentiated nothing now what's cool about that separate subject what's cool about that is if you go through this entire book never does it say there's one God you know you know it never says there's one gun in this book if anything it insinuates there's more than one God because you have the second commandment of the Ten Commandments is don't believe in all these other powers out there don't have it don't ascribe power to any deity or any other thing who said anything about other powers whoa like the tour itself admits there's other powers it admits there's some kind of metaphysical realm of power out there and it's saying but pledge your allegiance pledge your allegiance to the power of powers the medic Malcolm look I'm the king of kings right the power of all power but it never says that there's one God what does it say though in Schmeiser oh that's from the Torah would say hear o Israel the Lord our God the Lord is one absolute oneness the tort it doesn't say hero is the Lord oh god there's one of him it says here the Lord God the Lord is one its absolute undifferentiated oneness whatever the nothing is is one that's one of the commandments by the way thank them is that there is a God one of the other Commandments is that God is absolutely one so if you get the gods one if you just get that in your mind that nothing means undifferentiated the commandment it's like putting on a pair of to fill in it's like eating matzah on Passover it's like sitting in a sucka seriously I have to us think about this concept right now just think that thought that of undifferentiated oneness think that thought for a second you got yourself a midst it's one it's listed by the rambam as one of the 613 commandments is to just think about the fact that God exists in undifferentiated you got a mitzvah right there it's like you gave stuck or it's like you put on a mezuzah it's like you put on tefillin you all you have to just think about that for a moment or two just think about thee that before there was something there was nothing that we call God it's another Mitzvah that's in the ten commandments that you should believe there's a god is in the ten commandments and what is Rambam say because this old discussion has been Rama this is rom bombs first cause proof okay you guys realize we've been discussing Rambam this whole time this is rom bombs first cause proof and does he say that the first commandment is to believe there's God of the Ten Commandments nope he says you have to know the first commandment around mommy you must know who's got not believe he makes it very clear belief in God you did not fulfill a commandment you have to know belief is something that lacks evidence and lacks critical thinking as you were saying but it's something I would like to believe or something like like you must believe there's Emma ships coming for example I know I believe it yeah and what can you know I don't want to discuss it now because it's after four but they but normally I'd be open to it the but that knowing there's a god according the ramen by the way the right the rom bond argues and says belief is fine you fulfill a commitment believe in God but the rambam says no you don't if you haven't gotten to the logical steps and the rom ha speaking all the realms Rambam run on Vaughn room how Ron Paul you know what he says in his first line of the way of God derrickfish him he said he he went convenient waves it every Jew must believe and know that there is a first cause he says both and then he goes on first paragraphs about belief he says you get it from your parents when you're raised they teach about God you don't know anything buddy they tell you about God belief and then the second the third paragraph of the book is he defines the word no he says that you have to use your critical thinking after go think about which what we're doing now before there was something there was nothing that nothing is what we call God there is that God is undifferentiated that is that and again I wrote the word intelligence I could write a bunch of other words i could write consciousness i could write intention intentioned but because of the nature of nothing is to remain nothing get that the nature of nothing is to stay in that state of nothing the fact that it for some reason set in motion our world our creation means that it knows what it's doing it has some kind of intention whatever that nothing is it intended for creation otherwise would never because nothing just stays nothing as something that stays absolutely static which nothing could only be static stay static unless there's some kind of thing that puts in motion in this case there's no it it's nothing but a ball that sits on the table it stays on that table unless there's a force has to have some applied force to make that ball move whether it's gravity or it's wind or something else has to be applied to something here we're talking about nothing is nothing that devil eastes nothingness but if that nothing is suddenly like set something in motion which obviously did or we wouldn't be having this discussion right now here on earth it set something in motion so it must know what it's doing now again I could have written anything here I wrote intelligence just because that's the way they call an intelligent design and in science world of course you can lose your you could lose your status as a professor University for saying in tough back that intelligent designs like considered very unpopular in the atheist circles but that's the whole fight if you go online you'll see it all the fights on my blogs are intelligent vs random designer I don't know what the other term is they use whatever so that so anyway but the whatever the nothing is it knows what it's doing in a has to note is doing even before you get to design without design just the fact is nothing will stay statically nothing and the fact that kick the world into existence means that it knows what it's doing it's got intention okay man we got to start going into what's its intention and all that stuff at when you discuss I live there's there's going to be five and six but we're not going to do those right now Stevie have a question yeah he is that you said well that's exactly it's nothing and everything he is it means everything well because then that be because the everything didn't exist at one point so so therefore he's really because the first state if there's such a thing as first but there really is in this case because it's the beginning we're back to the beginning because the first state of God is nothing as we haven't gotten there that's that's number two it's well the story itself the story line goes into the actual creation of starts with light and then it goes to mineral and then it moves it like it's a it's the beginning of the metaphysical end physical space time continuum the entire space time continuum is what it means by in the beginning and you don't take my word veges read the next lines the next lines are going into this whole primordial soup that got created that ultimately then there was he distinguished this from that light from darkness local university oh I are synonymous to me right now I don't we don't call the universe infinite we call God infinite universe being it's not a question opinion weird everything's logic in this class this hour okay we still don't use term infinite universe because because it was created by an infinite being doesn't make it infinite just because something's made by an infinite being doesn't make it infinite how could an infinite being makes a an infinite being makes a match the entire university is an individual thing just happens to have an edge going to science oh you like to really you like to say there's no edge to the universe you don't believe in the expanding universe it may be flawed but there's still an expanding universe you don't believe in an expanding universe house oh really what is called the Big Bang Theory we forget the last word you don't like it I see why you don't like its theories I'm with you I agree with you on that but I don't know why maybe it's my upbringing me I'm brainwashed or something but I i tend towards discussing Big Bang maybe it's my audience most time my honeys you mean all the signs behind it not much more than the basics I learned in science classes yeah I don't know like the greater detail yeah it's scary now then you would be everything then you'd be saying right but because I look at the world from a tour perspective and a science Big Bang perspective I kind of looked at both ways but either way you're in here at the beginning and therefore the universe it can't be infinite because it's created automatically makes it finite because God is not the universe God made the universe he's God's the creator of the universe obviously God's mind would encompass the universe and that's a question what I can guide create something that's infinite it's an oxy more because second sums created it means it didn't exist once so it's automatically not infinite get that think about the word Creek think of the word created created implies it didn't exist before it was great it which means it can't be infinite holes apart holds our parts so let's just thing as a whole is not apart except when your time I God universe's definitely apart it's just one thing but it's not oneness it's made of many parts oneness has no parts yeah but it's but you break it down to its parts it's got tons of parts and that's what buddhists study all the parts of the metaphysical own yeah now the universe is one unit called the universe made of it all of its parts God is is an absolute one is made of no parts we're good now we're understanding each other I think we're good now it's just that you don't you don't necessarily believe that the world as you believe in tour but just believe it's missing okay listen that there's a lot of Rabbis lots more mean a lot from you for the last 3326 years who have been teaching Terra and they all agree that the universe is not infinite without any dissension like not even one like little ravage like I Xavier is evident you know not even one of those guys nothing zero three thousand doing it in 2 326 years whatever but but your eyes Steve I don't want to be rude but you got to understand the hood SPO of a guy named Steve at 29 years old walking any saying I did a well I don't I think they're misinterpreting it you raise it what I'm not I'm out of the words right now I met that the universe is not infinite but rather a being made it and it really does have a beginning that's what I'm saying and and that's agreed upon unanimously all the way through all the sages by the way those same sages don't believe we exist they don't believe any of it exists yeah those same sages all the way back all the rabbi's all the way back believe it's all imagine it's really an imagined natori thing of the in the creator of the universe which is infinite but it itself the actual figment of the imagination this illusion of this world is finite in fact finite is an illusion no definitely not not as a mano there's no way nope no physical the the physical world doesn't exist but whatever it is you know that's making this sound yeah whatever that illusion that God made this like holographic illusion yeah which by the way is all made of vibrations anyway we have we have lasers that could dance through the rain drops of this table and come right out the other side without even touching the table so whatever made this illusion which is only made of math this entire world is only made of vibrational mathematical equation so that we know from phil that's not fair we know that this world's pure vibration and so whatever made all that vibration those vibrations make the illusion of a table and my sound these are else do you think I'm speaking English design this is not English these are sound waves you're doing tremendous math while I speak to understand what I'm saying all of that is an illusion but it definitely is within the you know now now now that's shooting across the room what it's a finite illusion within an infinite being but not an infinite universe because universe is part of the illusion parts ultimately ultimately they're there of the infinite but they themselves are the illusion the finite illusion we're good with this now okay so you're like you know what you're like good with the kabbalists but yeah but when the Cobblers start discussing beginnings that's where you drop off but but they don't but in the end you do meet up again Steve because in the end the kabbalists themselves say this doesn't exist so then maybe do meet up okay guys that's time Shalom you