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Welcome to Inside Art Scroll, where the
books that we read and the people that
write them come to life. It is a
pleasure and an honor to welcome Rabbi
Rakhel Garfield to Art Scroll Studios.
>> Thank you.
>> Thank you, Rabbi Garfield, for coming
all the way from
>> Houston, Texas.
>> Houston, Texas. Wow. We don't have
people from Houston, Texas here that
often. It's the only place that's hotter
than here. I think
>> that's true. And today's are really hot.
>> Yes.
>> R Garfield, first of all, Mazletov on a
release of a blockbuster book. Thank
you.
>> Um, when they were young, stories about
Gdylum, when they were children, very
unique twist and it's a fantastic book.
Uh, very attractive to the eye. So, very
excited to see where this book goes and
Mr. I'm sure it's going to go pretty
far.
>> Thank you. Thank you,
>> Ra Garfield. Before we talk about the
book, tell us a little bit about the
author. So
>> what's your personal professional
journey in like 60 seconds? Where are
you from? What do you do?
>> When I was young, if you
>> When Zade was young.
>> Yeah.
>> I grew up in Philadelphia. Great.
>> I went to Shar and Muny for high school.
Rabbi Bar Wine. Should be well.
>> Who made it into the book?
>> Oh yeah. Oh yeah. That's one of the
perks of being an author. You get to,
you know, put in people that are
meaningful to you. And then I went to
Suka Shalkis for a while. Narral before
he was famous before Miracle Baby.
>> Yes. I was an early adopter. Okay. A
long time ago when he was only a major
London but not a Tati.
>> And then I went to Ner Israel. She was
ner Israel in Baltimore. Very lucky to
be there. My wife's family's from there.
Rabbi Slaneski Cook. And then we moved
to Atlanta where I was a nth grade rebby
for 10 years. And I've been in Houston
for 14 years as the manal of the
Tmasuraba based uh day school there.
>> And my understanding is that the school
has exploded. How many students do you
have there?
>> We had this year 530. Next year we're
looking at close to 600. Wow.
>> Unbelievable.
>> That's fantastic.
>> Yeah. We have like over 100 applicants
for next year. So, it's really it's
really doing well.
>> Okay. So, now we know who we're talking
to.
>> Yes. Yes, indeed.
>> And and I think that you're the
appropriate type of author to write a
book for children.
>> Yeah. I spend a lot of time thinking
about and children and building children
and what messages we want to give them.
So, this is very much fits with that.
>> I don't know if you've ever seen this,
but in Lakewood there's a school. It's
called Tashbar on Oak Street. It's right
by all the halls. And there's a huge
sign in front of the school and it says
on it, Khan Bonim Banim,
>> which is a great line. We're building.
>> Exactly.
>> Okay. So, let's let's jump right into
the book before we talk about the actual
book and we're going to take a look
inside it because it's got a really
unique and exciting features to it.
>> So, what happens one day? You're like
lying on a beach chair outside in in
Houston, Texas sipping a I don't know,
hard lemonade. I know what they drink
there. and uh you're like let me write a
book a GDL book for kids. I don't think
anyone's ever done it about GDL when
they were kids. Um is that what
happened? Was this something that you've
been working on for years? How does the
book evolve?
>> So in truth, you know, it has been an
evolution that's taken some time. I
could go way back, but I think the
biggest change took place at the Torah
convention about five years ago is
available on Torah anytime. I asked Van
Leansky this question. Should we be
teaching children that they could be
gdm? That was like a question. Should
that be something that we say to kids,
you you're the next Scud'll be a
>> Why not me?
>> Yeah, exactly. We have a cute
interchange where I said, "When I grow
up, they told me if I learn and I dive
and I could be like Ravaran Leansski."
He got a kick out of that, you know. So,
that was funny. But anyway, he went into
a beautiful explanation that what is a
guttle? And he said, "We have to tell
kids that a guttle is someone who makes
the most out of who they could be." He
gave a story when he was at a graduation
of his son in Eric. The room was full of
people and the manal or whatever said
stand up. Everyone stand up a god is
coming. So everyone stood up. Then he
said to the adults, adults sit down. So
that the adults sat down and he pointed
to the hund and he said one of you is
going to be a god be. And he said as a
parent he said what if his kid is one of
the 99? How is he going to interpret
that? He said the message there is a
little hard to give to all those kids.
So he said the the better message to
tell children is everyone has the
potential to be great. And so he said
this to me in front of a lot of people
and it got me thinking about what is a
god? What's the message? What do we
want? How do we want children to relate
to gdole? Should they see them as
certainly they should see them as
kadeshar but how is that relatable to
them? And then the other thing that
happened was I started seeing pictures
of kids gdole as kids in books and
things and I was always taken by that
you know it's like fascinating just look
at the picture and as someone who works
with kids all day and you see the
similarities or the connection and you
say oh that kid he was just a kid he
could have been in my third grade at my
school right he could have been in the
eighth grade and I started collecting
those and that's really when I started
collecting the pictures is when I really
started to think about the potential for
telling stories.
And that's sort of how it started.
>> That's fascinating. How long did it take
you to write the book?
>> So once I actually decided I remember I
was walking to Nighter.
>> It wasn't on the beach chair
>> unfortunately. Although perhaps another
idea might blossom at a beach chair. I
have to take you up on that the hard uh
cider but um hard lemonade rather. But
uh I was walking tonight. I was thinking
about it. I was like that's a book idea.
I had read one story. I'll tell you the
story. My favorite story. I was reading
one story that I really enjoyed and um I
was like that is a great story for
children to have. I walked into the
basement madish and there was a kabusa
there. I'm going to do a shout out if I
may because it'll make them
>> it's Rabbius Stein and Nola in Houston
and his talid Arich.
>> Okay.
>> And they were learning the kabusa eth
grader and uh and a cola guy. I told
them the idea and they got so excited. I
like felt their enthusiasm and then they
kept asking me about it and and every
time I would mention it to someone I
just got, you know, there was just so
much enthusiasm about the idea and the
story and that's how it began. So that
was about a year and a half, maybe two
years ago and um, you know, it took some
time to solidify how it was going to
look and who to do it with and whatever.
So the actual writing was about, you
know, a year or so.
>> And at what point did you approach art
scroll?
>> So I'm blessed to have a great friend of
W Morgan Stern. uh
>> very special place.
>> Well connected.
>> Yeah. He knows he knows some people.
>> Yeah.
>> So I I tried the idea out on him and he
said wow you know it's such a good idea
and he was kind enough to connect with
Gdalia who I met at another Tormma
conference and uh you know the rest is
history as they say.
>> Beautiful. I just we're going to open
the book in a second but I remember like
growing up that we didn't see a lot of
pictures of Gdam as children. I don't
know. I don't think there was so much of
an access just generally,
>> right?
>> But I do remember I learned tells and
Rav Gifter was a rashiva. I do remember
that picture of Rav Gifter as a child.
>> Um, and I always used to think to
myself, I remember even as a child
thinking this like did he know did he
know when he was growing up in Baltimore
>> in the early 1900s that one day he would
be in LA in Lithuania that one day he
would be a powerful that he'd be a Gobl
speaking at the Agura convention going
to Eritrol and establishing. Did he
know? I don't know. I I I'm assuming he
didn't. There's a beautiful story about
him in the book as a child that he was
brought to seek
and shim he asked for a braha and shiman
said you should love tra he actually
said give me a brah I should be a he
said or or I should learning he said I
can't do that but I could give you a
braha that you should love learning
>> is that beautiful and that inspired him
>> I have seen many or I saw over the years
many people go over to and ask him for
learning
>> and he always had exactly the same
response
>> what was that
>> he said learn and learn and you'll have
I can't give you a brush brother a
similar thing I can't
>> but that's a that's fantastic so if it's
okay you know I don't know if the camera
could see this but I want to point out a
few amazing features first of all I love
the fact that you you broke the book
into like different sections and what's
interesting is that the se the sections
are things that children can relate to
sensitivity and care tyra greatness
doing for others even if it's hard and
that's a big theme but that what I
really love love loved about it was that
every single One of these pages is not
just a story. So you get to see the um
you get to see the uh the young the
young Romero Khadesh.
>> Great story about him by the way. You
get to see the elderly Romero Kadesh.
But that's more you get a little bit of
a sidebar who he was very concise. You
get a lesson to learn which is amazing.
And then you get
>> pause and reflect again something to
think about and think about a time. And
I love this because there are thousands
and thousands of stories out there and
kids consume the stories. Every Rebby
has to have a repertoire of stories. I
just know from Alder Band that reach out
to me. Oh, I use this story. I use that
story.
>> But the godless is so what do you do
with the story?
>> Right.
>> Make it relatable.
>> Correct. My grandfather always says
the story is but what lisa do you do
with the misa? So I encourage people to
also and also there's a tiny little
square on top which has like where
they're from, when they were born and
what they're known for. This must have
taken you a long time to put together.
Was it the most challenging part to come
up with all the sidebars or what was
>> you know each part is its own mixy? I
did the the sidebars at the end. The
last ones were really a reflection of
the editors were like I'd done lessons
to learn and some reflection questions
but they um I think it was Tovas who's a
great editor. She helped me focus on
practical come up with scenarios that
the kids could relate to. So together we
came up with them that fit with the
theme.
>> I'll tell you something fascinating and
I want to use this as a a little bit of
a trigger for a question. So last night
I was at a wedding in Brooklyn and Rabb
Ramshore walks in Ramshore
also
you know
and my seven-year-old son who loves
>> um he says I get a bra
is is a man who's like he doesn't get
you know his external appearance is
that's who he is
>> there's an intensity
>> yeah and I said to my son you know
there's a lot of people around him so
but I think you're small if you sneak
between the people and you stick out
your hand. Maybe he'll take it and then
ask him for a braha.
>> Yeah.
>> So he it took him a little bit of you
know hesitation but then he pushed
himself. He really wanted this and he
sneaks through and he puts his hand out
and I'm sure takes his hand.
>> Wow.
>> Quietly whispers to I'm sure he says to
him can you give me a braha?
>> And the reason I'm telling you this is
because I want you to hear the braha
that he gave. He said to him you should
be
and you should learn a lot of that's
what he said. He didn't say you should
become a god is he didn't say you should
become a
>> interesting
>> he said you should be and you should
learn a lot of and I said a I mean I'll
take that to the bank
but my question is and I guess this is
kind of the trigger for the question um
so what's a let's start with that what's
Rabbi Garfield's definition of aud
because the bottom line is you wrote the
book you titled them gdylum so who made
it in and who didn't make the author's
cut
>> as much as I'd like to use your
Garfield's definition. I think we're
going to use Mosha Feinstein's
definition if you may
>> because it is a bit of a sensitive
nuance. I think it's important to base
it on gdole Israel and on so the para
Mosha is going on a pulse like that
inverts Aaron and Moshe and Mosha and
Aaron and Rashi says when it says Aaron
before Moshe usually it says Moshe
before Aaron right
>> so Rashi says they're equal as of Moshe
equal with all due respect to Aaron you
know Mosha spoke to out of
it's one of the right one of the basic
beliefs is right
there nothing like Moshe to say They're
schoo. Look at this emotion. It's a
beautiful emotion part of he says
godless. When it means in their godless,
it's because they both actualized the
gifts and potential that Hashem gave
them. That's
they were schoo in their fulfillment of
who they were destined to be of their of
who they were. And so that's really the
definition that we're using of godless
that really lejiansky said over and I've
heard it in other places that a gull is
someone who takes the opportunities the
gifts the opportunities the challenges
the life all that
and makes the most they can out of it
and there's there's many kaz about who's
who's a benaba it's not the person who's
the god in the room and this room it's
pushet you know actually
>> but you know in a in a room you go to
there's 150 200 300 people who who's the
god
We all know that when we get to Shmayim,
it's not going to be so push
the Israel that we have will be where
they're going to be. But everyone else,
it's hard to tell. There's no clear
definition.
>> So that's the definition of a god. A god
for the for the purposes of being
children in this way is to tell a kid
you're shy to this. You're shy to
godless within you and you should
embrace that and celebrate that and find
that. And so that's an important message
that I hope by reading the book it's
relatable. You know, arrogal are
multi-dimensional. I' I've been blessed
in my life to have relationships with
some very great people. I grew up in
Philadelphia, so I've been exposed to
Rebellia and uh Zataletski
Shalomi.
Many great people. I've I've been lucky.
>> They're complicated multi-dimensional
people. It's not a one-dimensional human
being, right? Anyone who is a well-known
figure, you know, he should have racial
>> he's a he's a he's a wonderful person,
but he's not one-dimensional.
>> No.
>> Right. He's kind. He's a he's
thoughtful. He was an amazing husband, a
father, a zeda. There's a lot there. But
a lot of times the stories that we read
are are single-dimensional or maybe
two-dimensional, you know. So the idea
here is to bring another dimension of
their godless that children could relate
to when there was there's a beautiful
story.
>> Yeah, I was going to say you have to say
that story. That's one of my favorite
stories.
>> It's a beautiful story. The story is
when it goes back the way it came about
was a camp director was saying to his
counselors, make sure you find a kid
who's struggling and give them love. So
someone asked where did you get that
from? I got it from my head counselor. I
think his name was fireworker and a good
>> Right. Correct. So, so the author of
this story or be gold I think he goes
back and finds this rabbi fireworker
says why did you do this you know so he
says because when I was a bucker when I
was a camper I had was going through a
hard time my grandmother was sick or
something I forgot the details you have
to read the book and someone was really
kind to me and it changed my whole camp
experience and who was that Kamitki the
counselor
what a story right and and how many
people are going to be counselors or
have opportunities to see a kid who's
who's struggling
So that's a dimension of that we could
all relate to that we could all learn
from we could grow to beautiful
>> it's fascinating you know in a few weeks
I'll be in camp monk for shabas spent
some time there so they have a list of
all the
>> the um color war generals since the
camp's inception in the 1940s I think
>> wow
>> and you look at them they're mayor stern
was a color war general in camp monk
like you're saying multifaceted and I'm
sure he was a great color war general
and a great counselor
>> and that's really Well, that's really
where it started. I I want to push just
push back on one thing. If that if your
definition Mosha's definition, Rashi's
definition of a God is someone that uses
their full potential. So why did only
Rabonim Malamim make it in here? Why
didn't you have a story about Schllemigi
gross for example arts girls a great
book about him or about some of those
lay people or manalim who what made
there are some but if they lived
schlamus then they're good
>> 100%. First of all, Mit Hashem, there'll
be plenty of books and opportunity.
Yeah. Different themes. We're going to
do a whole marketing.
>> But the truth is, honestly, the honest
answer of which stories are in the book
are the ones I came across in that year
and a half that I was writing it. Got
it. I, you know, certainly didn't do a
uh full canvas of every story ever said
about people, but uh the stories that I
came across that are published that are
available, you know, I didn't interview
everyone. Tell me a story of your kid. I
had to find them in books and stories
and interviews that I came across. And
so the stories that I came across, those
are the ones that I published. And it's
it's true if you look at the names, they
are a little random. And also in the
terms of their notoriety as Gdolan,
>> right? I saw like like Rabbi Lavine. I
don't think most people ever heard of
him, but you did obviously.
>> He was my rubbing philosoph. I grew up
with him. I grew up with this the lore
of him and his family. To me, he was a
god. The story really is a example of
something that inspired him for life and
that we could learn from or or Verski or
Rabbi Wine. I mean it's not your normal
grouping but they all shared people who
accomplished a lot for Claus or for the
world and had experiences as a youth
that helped make that happen.
>> As you were collecting material for
this, what what was the most shocking
fact, story, idea or concept that came
across? Maybe there was none. baby
everything was just very like you know
placid but
>> there are a few I would say something
I'm still recovering from as a manal
>> okay
>> is that Rabavadia yv's manal kicked him
out of school for sleeping in class
>> yeah wow can you imagine
>> like theas that that person I mean
there's a story it's in there he he
would stay up at night he was bored in
class which is a common challenge you
know that that I'm gifted I'm gifted to
meet him Yeah. Yeah. And uh so he would
learn at night and class wasn't engaging
him. So he'd fall asleep and then the
Rebi was losing losing his mind. What
are you sleeping right now? He got upset
at him. He's screaming at him. He tried
to stay up. He couldn't. He was bored.
He was sleeping. So finally the Rebi
said to the man, "It's either me or this
kid." Yeah. And the Manal, you know,
hey, no judgment. No judgment. He said,
"All right,
>> those were different times, you know."
>> Yeah. Today the Manal would have
certainly I don't know. Let's not beat
up on Manal. I'm here in Art Girl
Studio. But
>> anyway, so uh he said, "Fine, you have
to leave." So on the way out, they they
bumped into a famous makubul. I forgot
the name. It's in the book again. And he
said, "Oh no, you know, you're not
you're not kicking out this young boy."
>> And he took him back to the Manal and he
said, you know, no, not on my watch.
This isn't happening. And they put him
in. They actually So the Rebi said, "But
he's not coming back. I don't care." So
they were stuck. So they put him in the
next level. And then he wasn't born in
class.
And you know it's a great story but in
that moment think about the father
razu's father who came to school to meet
the principal who's telling him kicking
his kid out little who's falling asleep
who's trying to do you know if you were
watching that you know what would be the
commentary you know you certainly
wouldn't be anticipating godless out of
this story
>> and also the scary thing is imagine had
they not met that makoba or whoever is
and they would have kicked the kid out
of yeshiva
>> and he would have gone to work in a
grocery store and cla would not have had
one of the most amazing leaders and
piskin in in 500 years.
>> Yeah.
>> I mean just the chas of Rabia alone are
mindboggling.
>> It's such a to be listen speaking to a
manal here. You have a kid in your class
and think about it. He could be a gal
and someone does something positively or
negatively and impacts that.
>> Absolutely.
>> I don't know if you have a story in it
because I didn't have a chance to read
every single story in here but like
>> yet
>> yet? No, of course. Not even a not on
the way to this we went to last night.
My kids the were sitting in the back
seat going through the book story by
story. So my wife turns around
>> and she says to them, "You can't read a
book like this fast.
>> You need to read one story.
>> You need to think about it."
>> Oh wow.
>> See how it applies to your life and then
you can read. I want to give I want to
give make a recommendation.
>> Yeah.
>> To all the parents that are out there um
or 80s and bubbies, buy the book first
of all. Um read a story every Shabasuda.
>> Wow. Isn't that a nice thing? And
there's and there's what to do. There's
what to unparent. You you read this read
the things on the side. Read a little
bit about them. And if you're a really
good parent, do some research on the gau
come up with something else. You could
say you could literally have a gym
stories every single one of your shabas
meals and it'll take you I don't know.
>> Yeah. 55 weeks.
>> 55 weeks.
>> You got a year.
>> You got a year. Your
Yeah.
>> That's beautiful. Um did you find a a
contrast in the childhood of that grew
up in Europe versus those that grew up
in the United States? There weren't that
many but there were some raor gifter and
and others. There were there were
certain themes I mean the poverty it was
more of a miserious nephesh a lot of the
stories that took place in before the
war were stories that people had in
nephesh for tyra that really inspired
the child to you know appreciate it like
there's a story about zev desler when
the the parents celebrated a new safer
coming out if I remember or there's
another another one with the same idea
do I remember it where it was like a
celebration of tyra through difficulty
or through life life and death you know
sort of commitment
and uh as you get older it's more like
finding greatness in in unexpected
places in the American scene
>> and you think about any of the American
bornum like all the odds were stacked
against all the odds
>> and they didn't go to aradam today
>> oh no and the bottom line is the
incredible growth of tyra in America
which is totally supernatural like
were was the work of certain individuals
who somehow their gave them the
opportunity and they took it and they
ran with it.
>> Yeah. I I remember as a as as a bak
listen we're a similar age bracket here
but I remember as a baker my entire
misan the whole where everyone sat were
all European European you know Holocaust
survivors besides Rog Gifter who is also
European
>> Portsmith Virginia
>> yeah but he did learn in town in
Lithuania
>> our children will never see that but
these people who came here as well as
the Americans they were the ones that
helped to bring terror to life you
mentioned when we were chatting offline
um that one of your favorite stories in
the book is about Rip Schlim is almond.
>> Yes. Could you share that with our
>> Yes. Yes. I actually referenced it
earlier. It was the first one. It was
really the first story that I uh found I
guess in a funny place. It was in the
Shuran journal about it's like a random
place in Hebrew and uh it just touched
me as a manal as a father and I'll share
it with you. When he was a boy, he
learned an inkim around his barn mitzvah
and there was a young kid who was very
smart and they put him a grade ahead and
the class did not appreciate this little
kid in their class. They were very upset
and they didn't treat him as well as
they should have. And there was a mug at
the time that when there was a bar
mitzvah, the whole class would chip in
and buy a set of for the bar mitzvah boy
and they would come as a class and they
would be mame. So when it came time for
this boy's bar mitzvah, the class got
together and said, "We're not going."
>> Boycott,
>> boycott, but don't tell anyone. Last
minute boycott. No gift. No, we're not
coming. We're not participating. A way
to show, you know, as eighth graders or
whatever that age is could do. Now, take
a moment just think for ourselves as a
year or 2025 like this happened 100
years ago.
>> But I can't say that it could never
happen today, right? These are kids.
>> Kids are kids. This is of of old, you
know. Anyway, comes the bar mitzvah. One
boy came with a big gift that was
and he said to this boy, "I'm here for
you." They ended up being close karus
and that boy grew up to be a major avo.
First of all, we talk about the
dimensions of
right and when they sprouted and how
they developed and who he was as a
child. I mean, this this person had
greatness, but but that greatness
another kid could have today, right?
That story could happen today and a boy
could act like
today, right? Any boy who's listening to
this interview could hear this story and
say, you know what, I could do that for
my child.
>> Let me find that opportunity.
>> Yeah, I could do that. And so that
really inspired me to to share that
story
and to appreciate who was in the
dimension of his his kindness.
>> I knew I knew we had to mention this
Rashi right at some point in the
interview
becomes a
>> yeah he goes out of himself and he tries
to help other people. Then Rashi says
that part of godless was
godless happens when a person's able to
see outside of themsel and this book has
so many precious examples of people as
children who just made one little turn
to somebody else and who knows if that
was the first step towards godliness
towards greatness%
>> this has been very enjoyable super
gishmach um I urge every family out
there buy this book um your children
will read read it. You should read it.
Discuss it with them. And let's set the
stage for godless for our children. You
know, we need to listen wouldn't
wouldn't nurse from an Egyptian mother
because one day he was going to be
why should our children why should we
short change them? Let them let's give
them that path to godless. Final
question here. When's volume two coming
out?
I have to get to the beach first. I'm
working on it. Mashem, I I'm very
excited. I will say to your many
viewers, send me your stories. You know,
I'd love to find great stories and and
broaden the stories to a wider range of
of subjects like you mentioned and
Mashem, you know, it's uh it's really
resonating with people young and old.
>> Fantastic. You chef continue to in your
special
thank you
>> in becoming roles man on some level and
spreading and uh we should be to see so
many of our young children.
Thank you very much for being here.
Thanks.
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