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books that we read and the people that
write them come to life. It's a distinct
pleasure and to welcome Rabbi Spiro to
Arts World Studios yet again.
>> Thank you. Great to be here. Rabbi
Spiro, it seems like every other day or
month there's another blockbuster book.
How do you do it? Um, how do I do it?
That's um I don't do I don't do much.
People say to me, "How do you I don't do
much." Um when when I'm inspired to do
something, I I get uber focused on it.
And um sometimes sometimes it works,
sometimes it doesn't. But this was a
need that I've dreamt of for years, for
years and years. Ever since I'm a bach
I'm in yeshiva and I'm sure this is
anybody watching this has had a similar
experience if you've seen the inside of
of a yeshiva or a b medish um our our
children are so canar is so sincere and
so pure our bim are so exceptional our
young ladies they're all they all want
and they and they're hard on themselves
so comes chuva season and now you start
looking at the list of you've done and
they are overwhelmed with overwhelmed.
They break down crying and and that's
that's great. That's the first step. And
thus was born a most meaningful vidi.
>> Yes.
>> The third in a series of most
meaningfuls.
>> Yes.
>> So the most meaningful sedar peser most
meaningful kinis and now a most
meaningful.
>> Yeah.
>> Vidoy.
>> Thank you so much for doing this. I know
personally it's something that and
>> so so now they they're in the moment
and they're so pure and their tears are
so pure
but I I think that many many people
adults as well and the book by the way
is a children and not a it's a like a
teen adult book men women um and it's
written with that in mind the the
language is a little it's not as
sophicic isticated language. Um
the point is is that you can't stay
there.
Regretting your past actions is one of
but to accept I'm never going to do it
again. You have to have the confidence
to say that I'm better than this. This
is not who I am. I am I did something
wrong. I did something bad. But I'm not
bad. I'm good. I'm really good. And
because of that, I have the confidence
to be able to accept upon myself that
I'm not going to do it ever again.
And and that of it to stand up straight
and to say I can do this. Yeah, you're
broken, but to also be able to look in
the mirror and say you're a good boy.
You're a good girl. You're a good
husband. You're a good father. You're a
good You're a good mother. You're you're
you're good. And that's the message of
the book.
>> It's the confidence to understand that
the is not you.
>> Yes. I want to mention there's a idea
from Aman
writes that the word vidi what does it
mean? It means to confess.
But vi is associated with the word vi.
Vi means you're certain about something
for sure. When you do an a
do it once, okay, it can be an
aberration. You do it twice, three
times, hold on one second. Who am I?
Am I am I who I think I am? Or maybe I'm
not. And you start to doubt yourself.
You start to doubt who you can become,
who you're meant to be, where you're
going in life,
what madrega of you can achieve.
vi
when you confess you sin you're saying I
am good I know who I am and with each
confession you separate yourself from
the sin and when you do that you get a
confidence of understanding that oh I am
who I thought I am I am who I was last
na
I've strayed
I've made mistakes, some years worse
than others,
but I am that person. And and knowing
who you are and rediscovering who you
are
is the greatest feeling in the world. I
have I have a confession to make. Give
me I have a confession to make.
>> A most meaningful confession.
>> As as a kid, I I dreaded Jim Kipper.
I love Jim Kipper.
I love it. I I I again I have the a
little bit of a fear and and I'm nervous
about it, but I love it. I love just
finally being able to to to get back to
where I'm supposed to be and and to
maybe I can be better and maybe maybe I
I you know, maybe I can look in the
mirror and say, "You're a good boy." And
there's something about that. The child
in each of us, it's a very very special
thing.
That's a a huge bar to strive for that
we should look forward and cherish
kipper
>> in the way that we should.
>> Yeah,
>> it's a happy day in essence.
>> It it's the happiest day,
right? It's the happiest day
is the day of people think that that is
a sad day. Not at all. It's a happy
happy day writes that there's two sides
of the coin. Everybody gets the first
side right. the the crying the
brokenness turn the coin over and the
other side of the coin is the
element which is even more so by cha if
you do chuva and it's not it's not chuva
imagine a person you're you're away from
home
and then you're coming home if you're
not
happy coming home then you're not coming
home then that's not home you have to be
happy. There was times when we missed
home in Yeshiva, you're inro, you're in
seminary, wherever you are, you're on a
business trip, you miss home, you want
to get home.
>> Mhm.
>> If you're not happy coming home, you got
to ask yourself, is that really home for
me?
As you're speaking, something that
bothered me all the years just kind of
jumped out at me. Why do we break up
with
we're we have the posture. We're in the
zone. We're pounding our chest. And just
when we're starting to really get into
it, okay, pick yourself up.
Everyone sings. And the tune by the way
is very at least in tells it's
comforting. It's soothing. So, so I want
to tell you two things. First of all,
let's focus on the second thing first.
>> Okay.
>> Second thing you talk about the tune
>> because the tune is
I'm not a musician. I think those are
major notes. It's an uplifting song.
what what's everybody so happy about?
Um, and then even Valulum, there's
different valulums. I once heard a
majum.
I don't know 100% but I and and somebody
told me, and I have to ask AB Rottenberg
this, somebody told me that AB
Rottenberg's music is rooted a lot in
Mudgets, KBA for sure, but Mudgets also.
AB, please let me know. Okay. Um, but
there's a valulum
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it sounds like ilfino by the way.
Yeah. So that's a beautiful
uplifting. Yeah. Because it's meant to
be uplifting and that's the whole point.
That's why you know says that person
does you do a sin and he comes comes in
and and you clap and you're sad about
the sin. So what happens? Let's say
somebody let's say for instance a person
did not he looked at something you
shouldn't have looked at. So
when you're confessing the sin you're
re-imagining the sin. You're stuck in
the mud.
Get out of the mud.
It's not meant. We're We're obviously
supposed to think about it and
contemplate it, but sometimes you have
to get out of the mud. Don't stay stuck
in the mud. Don't stay broken. Lift
yourself up. It's time for the law. Why
do we say together? Why don't we like
that we do ourselves? Is there a point
in like singing it together and putting
all the II's in the right spot? Um, so I
I'll tell you what, it's spoken about a
little bit in the book,
>> but
you know,
>> Oh, I'm I'm not the only one who did
this.
>> Oh, okay.
>> You mean he also is Badnu?
>> That's right. That's right. He's also
And there's something there's something
very honest and honesty is so essential
to vidi. If you can't be honest in then
there's nothing to discuss. Every
relationship's rooted in honesty.
Parents with their children, spouses,
business associates, if you're not
honest, there's no relationship there.
And kids, by the way, if any kid is
watching this, you got to know this from
the olive base. You got to be honest.
But but it's so important to know that
that when you're honest, you got to be
forthright. You got to be true to
yourself.
And you come forward. You step forward
and you say, "Yes, I did this wrong."
And when you know other people are in
the same boat as you, it's comforting to
know that
>> you're not by yourself.
>> Yeah, we're not by yourself. And we and
we've all we all need to work on it.
>> You know what I find fascinating about
vid and I know that you discussed this
extensively like the ashamnus olive bay
the olive bay is it so we could remember
it or there's a much deeper meaning
here. The safe says that the olive bays
are not just letters. They're building
blocks.
We have we take ourselves down and now
it's time to build yourself up.
And just as the olive bays build
letters, words are the bricks, St. Franc
says. So you're building yourself back
up. each olive, each bay, each gimmel,
you know, in in a sequence to make sure
that the part that was taken down, the
part that you broke yourself down, which
must be done, now has to be built up
again. And that's really the chua
process. You drill down, find it where
you are, you know, see your lowest,
>> and then you're like, okay, now the now
we built, now we rebuild.
>> I think that's like the euphoria of like
the end of Nila. It's just like, whoa,
>> look where I was and look where I am.
>> You feel so cleansed.
>> You feel so cleansed. Listen, Mati
Kipper, we dance.
We dance after you hear that final
shifer blast. By the way, just so you
mentioned, you have to be true to
yourself. We're talking about MS. You
know the vitus mag says that that MS is
gimmatria 441. If you start the first
from the first kia you hear in the
beginning of L and you count 440 blasts
number 441 is MS. The 441st blast of
Nila is the moment where you're as true
as you will ever be. And um and again it
it's just a feeling. Could you imagine
if we walked around with the feeling of
being mutzium kipper all year long?
You know we vidi is so it's so
psychological psychologically true when
nobody ever said this is a it's so true
nobody ever woke up and said so happy I
did that a vera yesterday made me feel
so good about myself and nobody ever
said so upset I dove and dwell this
morning so upset I learned that seder so
upset that I was honest anybody ever
been honest and felt bad about it no you
feel Great.
>> Yes.
>> Even if it's painful.
>> Mhm.
>> What do you think is the best way to use
this practically? Because it's a 300page
safe, which is has so many beautiful
stories and takeaways, which is
something I loved about the most recent
smart. There's takeaways. You you can
really summarize what you just read, but
at the same time, it's kind of
challenging to to have 300page voy
not recommended probably to do a
two-hour veto. So, what's the best way
to utilize a safer to its fullest?
>> Okay. So everything needs preparation.
>> To go into Yam Kipper without any prep,
>> you're really behind Apal because you're
going to it's not too late,
>> but you're behind Apal because you're
going to look
I mean what
use your what is that? No, in other
words, you need to really get a a grasp
and an understanding of what we're doing
here and what we're saying. And the
truth is is that the the swarms say that
a person should have like a little bit
of a checklist. Now, you don't want to
put that checklist up on the board
because it's your private checklist, but
you should check off and you should make
a list of that I really I think I need
to work on. And by the way, if it's not
on the list, for instance, is not on the
list. That's very that's very shocking.
Shocking you need and and there are
addendums to the and others have
additions. there are going to be other
um
parts of vidri that are mentioned where
whether it's a story or vert or
something to help explain those as well
of one or two and uh and again a person
needs to make a list so when you come in
to rush to or to yipper we don't do v
but you come into yipper you're ready to
go now listen during yum kipper there is
some downtime there is some time where
you can you can look at it and you say
maybe you know what wh which a do I want
to focus on which two or three things do
I think I can do better and and again
amazing amazing stories uplifting
stories I'm going to share one with you
in a second that really was one of the
starter stories for this book but
and and each a person does when you
understand it better you can be more
honest to hashem and you can be more
sincere and again you'll come out
feeling better but I I want to mention
Um,
um, it's a story on
>> how do you translate the word Badnau?
>> We we were traders. We were we were
traders,
which is which is there's nothing worse
than a traitor, right? Benedict Arnold.
I mean, nothing nothing worse, right?
>> That's true.
>> Um,
so we were traders to Hashem. Now also I
want to mention
some of the some of the or many of the
shamlus are not not necessarily what
we've done but what has happened to us
>> um because of what we've done and the
relationship that has changed now
because of it. It goes in and out
>> all the way to the end where hashem
you've just let go of us.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> Which is the scariest thing.
>> Yeah. Terrible. Um, so on Badnu, you
know, the the the V, if I'm not
mistaken, that I write there is is that
Badnu is rooted in the word beed. And a
begged is clothing. Well, what does
clothing have to do with being a
traitor? And the truth is is that the
clothing is a little bit um not being
honest with who you really look like,
right?
>> External.
>> Yeah. Well, what what it what even more
than external, it's covering up all your
flaws. You want to make something that
makes you look good, right? Something a
little dishonest about clothing. Um,
it's a very deep idea, but the moral
talks about it. And and I saw a story
had a had a daughter and a granddaughter
that Nabur of the D and became involved
in in the Zionist movement um in a
secular way. and they his granddaughter
had and by the way his granddaughter
grew up Mama Shana's lap
>> she was very close to him
>> and the stories I think I wrote a story
once about how like she she held on to
that very much her relationship with
Shiman um and she he had he had a great
grandson his name was Uri I believe and
he was part he moved to he was part of
an elite um group of parachutists and he
was he was part of a group that went on
a secret mission to Syria in 1955. And
they go into Syria, they were caught.
And when they were caught, they were
tortured mercilessly um by the Syrian
government and and they paraded them.
You know, we we know how that can
happen. and and uh some of his friends
were killed and he tried to, you know,
he tried to hold on and they tried to
break him publicly
and they wanted to, you know, they
wanted to embarrass and shame and
disgrace the the Israelis and
and he wanted to let the world know that
he had not um that he had not broken,
that he had not betrayed and not given
away secrets.
And we can't even imagine the torture he
went through. Um but
when when he was finally killed, they
hanged him publicly and they sent back
his body to Israel. when they sent it to
I believe it was Mosha Dan was given
something that the Kadisha foundish
found that this that this boy
20-year-old boy a great grandson of rib
great grandson of rib and that shouldn't
be lost.
>> Yeah.
>> Um he hid under his fingernail
a message a tiny little message paper
that I believe he wrote with like a pen.
He punched out the lettering
load.
I am not a traitor. I did not betray my
people. I didn't give away the secrets.
And that became a battle crying.
Imagine the courage of a 20-year-old
who's been tortured not to give it away.
And when I saw the story and it became
it became like a they rallied around it
as a battlecry. And I saw the story I
thought to myself that
they discovered it by the Tahara.
Here we are in Bishah.
And
to know that even though our actions
have been that of Badnu, we betrayed
you. But we want you to know Bishahara.
Bishas, as we pound our chests and as we
cry and we lower ourselves before you,
we want you to know that we will never
do that. We will not betray you. Yes,
our acts have been that of a traitor and
we're deeply ashamed because of that and
we cry because of that. But we also have
the resolve to set tell you at our
moment of purity, our moment of tahara,
we will not betray you. Never we'll
never betray you again. And that's
that's the al and that
now you're empowered.
Now you say I did but I'm not the
I'm not the it's just the and again
it doesn't say I didn't check the art
scroll translation doesn't say if you're
at saying
if you've done a lot of then perhaps
there's a different version no
is pure it's rain it's clean and
unfortunately we sully it we dirty it
but every day gives us back to us and
it's clean again and he'll continue to
do that. He believes in us and from the
time you're a little boy and this this
was written this is written for younger
for younger and for older because you're
training by the time you become 13 now
already you're now you're not running
around outside in sh now you're sitting
through the long gim kipper day and
let's be honest it's very hard for 13
14y olds to sit it's hard for 56 year
olds to sit too um and you sit down and
you know you're sitting there
it's it's a little shorter than some of
the longest open it up think what can
work by the way works whenever
>> right
every single day twice a day
>> and
like the other beautiful safer that you
put out
>> it's us people that push it aside a
whole year we only come back
>> that's right that's right
>> during fantastic I' I've noticed that we
say the twice, right? We say it in
ourselves and as well and then we come
back again and we do it in the
what do we need two vidways in order to
get it right?
>> Do we need 10 vidways to get it right?
Do we need 10?
>> We probably do.
>> Also, we need,
you know, think of it this way.
And and by the way, I want to mention
something that is so novel in the book.
There's different ideas and suggestions
brought by Gdum, by the stipler, by
all the Bali Musa throughout the
generation. How like different ideas
don't confess the same sin over and over
Kipper?
>> He says this is beautiful based on the
time of day that you're confessing. What
a do I do shak time shak is you can
confess that you woke up late for shakas
or you miss management
at night we do other aas during the
afternoon some other aes break it up
you're not meant to overload yourself
with endless plat prattling I can't even
get the word right endless prattling
where we just and becomes like you're
saying 200 I mean you can't have
concentration in
pick and choose the ones that you really
want to focus on. Obviously, there's a
that we follow, but the one focus and
when you're articulating them, and you
should say them out loud to yourself,
what you've done wrong. And when you're
confessing,
think of it this way, you're building
yourself.
And your confessions the first night are
naturally
very very very
sad and difficult and hard and you're
broken as the day goes on. Keep on keep
on committing to to to the and and and
and
to the resolve that you're going to be
better and I'm going to do this and I'm
I I know I can do it. And your
confidence builds throughout the day. So
uh yeah, we got to do it over and over
>> and and and I love the fact what what
you're saying that you know you can
highlight in by the book obviously by
the book
>> um and then take a highlighter or
something and check off the things that
are meaningful for you. Maybe by
Shakris, you know, you're gonna focus on
this this particular aspect of it and
then by Mik you'll be a little bit later
in in the safer and then by you're
you're somewhere else but there's
>> it's overwhelming to look at a 300page
book about your others even though it's
a positive safer even though it's about
safer
>> but in bite-sized pieces okay you know
what this is something that's very
relevant to me I want to think about
that
>> I know personally like one of the things
that that that that touches me a lot is
stories touched by a story right um and
imagine that you you you know you make a
little mark in your mer you make one
word thing in pencil you know story.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> And then before you say the word badanu
just think for a moment.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Then it becomes a transformative type of
of voy and I again it's so important to
know like do I you know uh
first of all dor is all over the place.
There's so many
>> it's disproportionate.
>> Yes. But if you think about our aus it's
very proportionate. In other words, we
do so many a with our mouths and with
debour. Um, but the stories that are in
there are not Let me tell you a story
about a somebody who spoke terrible
Russian horror and terrible. No, let me
tell you a story about a person that was
careful about horror.
A there are stories of those who fell
and the devastation that happened from
it. But let me tell you a story about
somebody who did the opposite. somebody
who was careful about lashhara, you
know, and so on and so forth.
>> So you can create that picture while
you're I want to go away from this. This
is what I want to be.
>> Yes. Yes. Something to aspire to. Yeah.
>> Rabbi Spear, the greatest gift that Cla
has, Hashem gave us is Chuva.
And this book is a gift to us. And it's
an opportunity for us to take Chuva to
help to break us down, but then to build
us up again. Yeah.
>> Thank you so much for the gift. And for
those people out there who are
contemplating on buying this book, buy
it. It'll it's a it's a gamecher and by
the time you finish and you're saying
you'll be so glad you bought this book
because it'll be a different yum kipper
that will bring you to the next year's
rash. Thank you Rabbi Spiru. Always to
talk to you. Thank you.
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