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Rabbi Shmuel Fox, former Rav of Beth Jacob in Dayton, Oh - History, Rabbis Kreisworth and Silver -#1
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welcome to a program
our program is called meaningful
interviews
I search for people who are meaningful
and I interview them hence meaningful
interviews okay so coming here to Boca I
met you about a year ago and I saw your
show last night and I thought it would
be wonderful to interview Rabbi shmuel
Fox
was the love in a shoe what was the name
of the show
foreign
Ohio for over 60 years so I want to I
want to go back to kind of the beginning
and even your childhood whatever you
remember because people find this
fascinating
and continue good healthy life and it's
not every day that we have the privilege
of of interviewing someone who
up in years I've been years but by young
men talking about young man
so tell me where you were born
you're born in the Clinton in Poland
called LoCash I spell it different
spellings
l-o-c-a-t-z-e yeah Poland where was that
nears the Krakow or Lodge
but which largest city that people know
was the Krakow varsha or or or uh or
lunch I I would say maybe not too far
from fire [ __ ] okay okay yeah and you
were born there what year
19 uh 20 22.
1924. it was born 1924. okay so
um how long uh you you went to Haider
there you went to a hater or Yeshiva
no no I no it's probably home learning
home learning your father was a hasid or
or a lit [ __ ] foreign
or not
yeah what about them in Milwaukee
Wisconsin yes we came here he was the
rebbe he was the rebby in Milwaukee in
Milwaukee now I'm asking I'm asking in
Poland will your father and grandfather
were there
I know that I'm asking about his
grandfather what do they come from
Sydney do you have any idea this is the
past possibly my my zayde I vaguely
remember that Baruch is a big town it
was part of the city and and he was part
of what
is the independent
okay in the family of
him
yeah a number of shocked him in the
family and when did you come over to
America like do you remember what year
something like that I think it I think
the year was uh 19 29 29 29 no I got it
right so you were five years old at the
time right okay where did you all come
to to to Ohio Milwaukee Wisconsin to
Milwaukee Wisconsin I had an uncle there
but he's got the right to bloom bloom
loses
there and when my father came he came as
as the as the Rob in the shoeless medish
I got all in the investment in Milwaukee
Wisconsin
it was not what you call
a rabbi in today since
he was a reverend they called him a
reverend that those they know
that's right right they called them a
reference in those days I believe right
uh believe me they could be today's
rabbis anyway yeah yes
yes so so
um
at what age did you uh you went to
college you went to you went to there
was no Yeshiva there right no so you
went to public school right in public
school and from there you went to
University
Yeshiva no no no no
right right what what year probably in
the
1935 to 40 right yes okay what was the
story you wanted to tell me yeah the
story is that how we get how we got to
go to the Yeshiva yeah we got our
education there was no Yeshiva at that
time in Dayton right and they there was
no Yeshiva there in Milwaukee right so
uh and my my father said we're going to
visit an uncle my mother had a
stepbrother living in Chicago uh-huh so
she's gonna he was going to take us to
visit my uncle right in the grocery
business okay right so uh he took us
there and we visited him for a short
time then he said we have another reason
to make and the other visit was a
surprise to us
when I say we my brother and I my
brother was two years younger right I
was here at a time let's say 14 years
old and my brother was 12 years old okay
right and the man we arranged to visit
was at the Chicago Cinema Torah right
and it was the dean Rabbi Greenberg
Rabbi Greenberg Yahoo okay he was he was
well known you know in Chicago
he was the dean okay the head man the
one who hired others right yes yes yes
so so at any rate he gave us an
interview right your brother and you
right and the interview right with them
commission Rashi that was our interview
for the shipment yes right and
I remember it seems like we did quite
well
uh in the interview
and I remember when I wanted to say well
can we take a look in the Rashi he said
no no it's not necessarily to look
inside but I said
I said to him you know when you look
inside so he says I see it's like chemo
so you should know about pets
yeah yeah so anyhow we went there and I
did not look inside and the question was
on the side he said okay we qualified we
knew Russia quite well at that at that
age and that's how you got how you how
you went into Yeshiva yeah so so that
was a surprise a big surprise because we
had no baggage right you know there's
nothing to indicate that we're going to
remain there overnight and then beside
they didn't have any dormitories at that
time this matter Torah so the railroad
by Greenberg is said he'll arrange for
everything the reality arranged whether
we should stay and uh where we were
bored at someone's house yes it's always
house right right so that's it so he
left my father left he said you'll have
you'll have clothing will be coming come
to you so you can imagine for my younger
brother seemed to be a trauma right but
to me it didn't seem to faze me too much
no I took it was that in fact I calmed
him so it was good that we went together
so at any rate that that that was the
start I'll start with your learning yeah
with no well no but no right you came
here
like naked they're not getting without
without the clothing without background
yeah
Rabbi there I think he had been there
over here
right right I think over 60 years wow
yeah okay so so from there he was from
Slovakia
so from there you went on to uh whatever
I studied their high school they had
right Yeshiva high school and they had a
high school I went on to to high school
in Chicago and uh and
college
uh College then later I went I went to
New York which which university you know
the University
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from which university I got a law degree
from there and then I also the studies
at Columbia University did you all study
with the Rob rather salavechik did I uh
well I heard she urine from him you you
know when while you were studying a
university while I was studying in
English
sure where where in New York New York
when you were studying University you
used to go over to Yeshiva University
right yes
what'd you think of asiaum
very long for one thing and then try to
understand as much as I could right you
had a good life he would like to speak
oftentimes he would say I imagine it was
giving him a lot of time so we say
and the poor veterans
everybody can hold a vlogger right right
so they should not be included I'm
allotted him should not be included in
starting from the very beginning right
right right
um did you have a closer relationship
with his brother Aaron being that you
were closer in the midwest I didn't know
about it and of course you know Tony now
Yeshiva for a while and then he broke
away and he started his own issue the
brisky shiver yes he started there and
in fact he tried to convince us to go to
his Yeshiva but we were loyal to the
Spanish the Taurus we remained there
right right
um a question I have is uh
at what point did you decide you want to
be a rub a rabbi well because you said
you had you had a law degree
were you practicing law at any time no
no I didn't officially practice so why
did you get a law degree because you
thought you wanted to be a lawyer
backup as a backup you'll have a
partnersa through being a lawyer right
that did seemed more promising right the
financial standpoint okay so what made
you decide to go into the rabbit my my
my head with and thought I would be very
suitable as a rabbi they talked me into
it's going to rap on us right away they
gave me Stellas as a talmate for Mrs
atomied I had to because they gave me a
Stella New York in Chicago one of the
largest there they had about for The
Young and the Rome above there
uh abruptly let's say
abruptly left left right A large
community which which school do you
remember
because there was a big Rover frying
official rubber frying official you know
they're a shiver of cabinets
oh the last Epstein
Martha Epstein's brother if a fried
Fishel was a rubber Chicago for 60 years
you know him you know him yeah I know
him
yeah that was the called the Russian The
Remains yeah
am I right you're right
you're right right so he and he was a
literature [ __ ] I did my leadership yeah
yes but he had a very good relationship
with Joseph yitz up the sixth letter but
he was close to him and he supported him
he sent money to him yeah I remember he
was very stately and very proper yeah he
was uh I think is you know his brother
was
you were given as a stellar no no
sure the North in North Chicago they had
about I don't know
I don't know maybe about 1500 people so
you became the roof no no no no oh you
were offered at the job but you didn't
take it no no I was I was still a
student and I was offered for The Young
and the Roy uh oh to go there as a as a
a rough a rabbi for the if the young rum
yeah right and I I think one of the
reasons that this is my own thinking
that one of the reasons was and they had
a lot of Lucy she's there at that shoe
and they wanted to eat a should wash it
too and I was able to accommodate them
uh so you speak English fluently I I
spoke it let the uh fairly well very
well yeah right so where did you but
where did you end up taking a Pulpit
because which what was your first fellow
the the one in in Dayton that's the only
show you had and I know I had one A
Little Rock characters so it was my
first album Little Rock characters there
were a lot of room hidden there
well they they had a number I wouldn't
say a little a lot of room eating and
the little rocket I had a congregation
there Mother's congregation what you
what year are you talking about 120
people and I think it was about the 1950
yes 1950 about right
right so so and uh how did I get there
yeah because the
similar thing happened where uh the dean
of mayeshiva they had a call from a
hotel
in in Hot Springs
saying they want somebody conduct a
sailor there's a door let's say for
pesach pesach yeah and the dean said and
I'd like you to go there yeah so uh
there and there I said uh yeah you know
I said yeah I'll take it anyhow from
there one of the Bible about him from
Little Rock
Little Rock is the capital of Arkansas
right not far from Hot Springs hot
springs right
was there right and just at that time
they were looking for foreign
that's right in Little Rock and he
recommended me to them on the basis of
hearing me connect to sedorian and
speaking then okay how many years were
you there Little Rock I say maybe about
three four years okay four years yes and
then and then and then my wife's
when did you marry what year did you
marry
married I'm saying you were married when
you went to Little Rock were you married
already no
so when did you get married
54 55 all right
mayor
she comes back well that's good but but
but
um when you so go ahead so what happened
when you yeah why'd you leave Little
Rock and you went to Dayton what
happened because her parents lived in
Cincinnati OH
he heard there was a stellar opening in
Dayton
who heard her father father what was her
father's name
enough
he was a celebrity
but he worked together with rebellious
I got to know very well you did yes tell
me tell me for a moment what were your
impressions of Eliana
but it was also he was a very big
activist yeah a big activist he was the
head of the of Jacob
later on he became active in Saving Jews
yes he's a very active they send them to
Europe and if you want to hear him isil
about him yeah going to Europe the story
was he went to one of the uh convents
you know they're sisters yeah run into
Convent he says he wants to see uh the
Jewish the children too because many
parents would leave their children yes
yes hoping to get back alive and
brightens them out from the Quran yes so
at any rate at any rate that the head
sister says we don't have any
we didn't have any Yeah
by silver it was a very determined
person you know very determined you
would not take no for an answer he says
I'm staying here but after a while he
said to them can you bring can you bring
in all the uh all the students that you
have I want to see them and talk to them
also they brought in dozens and dozens
of students there they brought him in
and uh when they brought in the students
and they uh they uh
we didn't recognize any of them as
Jewish
couldn't talk their language they spoke
different languages so anyhow brainstorm
and what was the brainstorm he shouted
out loud holy Shima Israel you know
Hashem
and they all answered my God
they answered in Hebrew it was a clear
side to the sisters there that they were
Jewish where did they learn the shivaya
sure and they learned right from
childhood area from their mother's lips
right you know seeing them Jewish
lullabies
you know so so he got out dozens and
dozens of children came came back with
him he raped in Redmond he was very uh
good friends with with the senator uh
from Cincinnati he ran for president
also he was hoping he was so right to be
president to be president he was very
close to him he was very close to him so
politically was connected he was
politically well connected right so
anyway he was able to build the maker
and they're in a certain area where he
wanted it were Jews opposed it it had
protested the building he got it through
yeah I got it so he got through some
people from Europe refugees he was able
to get through you know although they
wouldn't qualify and according to the
immigration laws and he he got him to be
doing right tremendous amount of good
work yeah it was a real leader yes yes
yes
one of our top leaders in Australian
managers
there was a famous story they tell about
about him
and wanting to meet with the president
well they went down 1943. right the
president March March on Washington
right March and Washington right
at any rate he arranged them for the
vice president to meet with him right
later on they found out that the
president had an uh vacant calendar he
could have easily have met yeah he did
he was right not a great old heavy
Israel that's right as it was reputed to
be you know Washington yeah yeah yeah
he's not what was the president of that
time Hoover no no Truman no no no no no
no no no it was 45.
with Wallace Roosevelt Roosevelt
Roosevelt yeah Roosevelt right Roosevelt
right right right
yes so what what were we saying so that
there are many silver great leader yeah
he I think he he led the he was the
leader of the whole all that abundant
that came
it was Chief Rabbi in Cincinnati you
know and I got to meet with him you know
right
now did you know Rabbi scharfstein there
was a laborator of there do you know him
yes he had a scientist he had a
connection a little bit a little bit
yeah yeah and there was also for a while
he came after the war thing Rabbi Joseph
Goldstein do you have any recollection
don't remember I believe replacer silver
got him the visa to come out and that's
why he ended up in Cincinnati later he
moved to New York I think yeah I
probably knew him there was another
person who I want to ask you about he
was the son of a big habakkah his name
was Mikhail Michael wolensky valensky
he was he was an huc uh a professor and
a maven of like manuscripts I think that
I guess he called they call and they
brought him from Germany because he went
to Germany after Russia and they brought
him over they paid for him and I have
actually the documents in German yeah
where they they write that we're going
to pay we want you to come and he came
to Cincinnati but you don't remember his
uh no no but there was it wasn't about
Rabbi in in
the sharks of the day school Under Rabbi
silver yeah yeah is that the one you're
talking to YouTube no I was talking
about uh Professor Michael wolanski
valensky Nicole valensky at huc I guess
you never heard of him what year uh
Robinson what year did you marry your
husband
1852 1952 you got married okay we
refreshed ourselves on that so so so
uh how long were you in Cincinnati in
other words between little between
little no I know you were born and
raised between little little uh Little
Rock Arkansas where you were Rabbi right
yeah first Stella yes well the second
step hot springs in this Little Rock by
the way that was that was Clinton Terry
yeah later later right later Clinton
right the governor right right and then
the president anyway yeah lady president
of Arkansas I know that I know he was
the governor I know that yeah but so but
did you you went right away from Little
our little little rocky went to the the
Stella in in uh in Dayton yes now
there's a story there too okay the story
is the chat room was my my father-in-law
right he founded the job he heard about
a shoe that needs her children open he
went there personally recommended he
says I just want you to try them out
yeah invite him for a shop and send it
so happened they did they listened to
him they invited me for a Shabbos but
but later on he regretted
the fact that he rushed for them to hire
me right away because uh
they found out they were eight
candidates
for the position and and each candidate
was about a space of three months
what do you mean space for three months
before they heard one candidate
okay yeah okay so they delayed answering
me what the verdict was whether right
whether you'll be hired for the job I
knew nothing about it for about a half a
year right
so then half a year I get a surprise a
telephone call
saying Rabbi Fox you're the unanimous
election that was after nearly six
months not hearing from them at all
okay so that's why your father-in-law
regreted it yeah they regretted it
because he thought
he'll give you right away an answer
Nancy he says the first candidate will
be forgotten right oh you were the first
candidate I was the first candidate so
we had a number of others coming forward
right I made a mistake
I should have had you being you know
right right fourth fifth sixth the last
I understand I understand that's how we
thought uh that date was out right so he
was so surprised when they told him I
got the position
and uh
and they now the the pay at the time for
a rabbi yeah was it comparable to the
pay of a lawyer no
it was probably half or less right right
you are yeah I took it because of
because I really was an idealist I
didn't care much about the money didn't
ask them for raises anything they like
that part yeah well you know what
happened
who's doing it for the cause yeah I
liked it I liked robotics from the early
years you asked before you went through
your Twitter about us yeah I liked it as
a student I told you I spoke in
different congregations in Milwaukee
right and at some of them were large
like this shooting in in Chicago was you
know
1500 people even though I am right right
right right right how many people did so
this shoe in Dayton was it a small
medium no no it was a pretty light show
at the time I thought
the whole time uh
uh yeah yes you know some questions
and
the the
uh
the some shoes that were not five feet
like a moisture paskins but they were
still Orthodox is that right yes right
now
who who was the one who you know which
Orthodox rabbis gave that is that the
RCA
uh oh yeah I was with the Irish oh we
are the RCA did not require Makita five
feet is that correct as far as I know as
far as you know right and uh with a
congregants that wanted higher or not
really there was never an issue with
Congress came to you said Rabbi we want
the pizza higher no quite the contrary
there's those later that fought against
them if it's all together yes they want
it removed and how did you deal with it
well
in another area in another area that
where the people can sit in the back you
mean the mix the people the mixed what
you mean the people in the background no
we still had separate men and men women
but I learned the pizza but but it's in
a different area
I think out of uh flowers or something
else right right what what about what
about uh the use of a microphone a
Shabbos microphone well in the use of
the Shabbos microphone I I had uh no
microphone so my voice carried my son
who followed me had had that show yes oh
really yes he's the rub there today no
but he was for 18 years the one that I
met no he's a doctor right he's a doctor
he's a well-known doctor
right what type of doctor is he they're
metallic mentality in New York New York
right but you have another son who was
in the Revenant right what was his name
what's his name he little fox hello Fox
so he so when he took over yeah yeah but
so when he took over he had
trying to think the organization oh I
know you're talking about America's
thrall uh
I know what you're talking about yeah
for Shoppers yes right I know what
you're talking about right I want to go
back to uh 1929 1930 or a little boy but
you came that year your wife says You
Came do you recall the uh it was The
Majestic Majestic yeah but I want to
know if you remember the reviews coming
to to
um I think he was in Milwaukee too in
1930 he visited there was a Chabad table
in Milwaukee
right no no there is
in Milwaukee too and in Dayton uh that's
where I was robbed and the Ralph uh and
we were you're talking about Robert
Chantels later later no or or later they
were still probably later yeah and
anyhow uh but you don't remember you
don't remember as a five six year old
boy your father uh and and people were
talking about uh Joseph schneerson the
sixth Le Baba cherubba who came to visit
Chicago Detroit St Louis Milwaukee in
1930. you have no you you have no
recollection of that no
right I wrote a book about that
I wrote a book about it's called Chabad
and Orthodoxy 1900 to 1950. and but I do
understand
the raw of the head Rob in Chabad in
Cincinnati said send love to establish
himself in Dayton yeah you're talking
about uh Rabbi kalmanson yes
right that's much later it's in the 70s
okay
so he said someone then to come today
tell them go see Rabbi Fox he'll help
you
yeah you were friendly with the Babbage
right you were yeah yeah sure uh right
and how he came to me and I remember we
we encouraged him that we helped him
with the safer Torah that he needed to
get started and so on was that was that
shemtov no mangel yeah that's his
son-in-law that's his I think that's the
southern law of Robert Collins
yeah yeah I know I I know the family
right that's the one and yeah you're
right so let's go back now so
you become rough in the early 1950s uh
how long after your marriage when you
become Reverend dating
marriage well when I left and when I
left the little a little round after
about four years in Little Rock right
like six months six months later you
were became rough right right right and
that no no no I was wrong I was wrong
already in uh in Little Rock no I know
that but but then you said you went for
the Stella it took six months till they
called you to give you the job and you
were and and your father-in-law said you
were married already your wife said in
52 you're married right so uh
44 yeah so it was around that time yes
well it wasn't before you were married
it's your father-in-law got you who told
you about the position so you were there
from like uh 52 or 50 right from that
year on till till you retired right so
now uh looking back looking back looking
back what would you say was your biggest
accomplishment that you in in your life
well I would say for one thing
that I sent a number of students to
yeshivas both
boys and girls I sent them to Yeshiva
and they were marked for that for
instance they're what Makia they
recognize
to you for doing that they recognize
that you did that for them yeah one is
the head of yeshivin in Israel oh really
yeah so anyhow yeah
had issue in Israel and my
grandson
he gives the urim and Mary Yeshiva wow
wow what's his name my grandma Fox yeah
he's a market share and mirror in
yes beautiful Chevy has been doing that
now for a few years and also other
issues his right wing karate right
more he out didn't say that yes I did
and more and more he's a big time and uh
and more yes she was one and maybe I
think he's giving sure to three yeshivas
so he lives there to throw yeah yeah
right now uh and then the Russian Shiva
there uh
no that's not now where a finger one was
the head of the he still is this goes
Sun after sun
was named after another one of my
Barbarian
cries worth oh you had brother cries
that's right in Chicago because
right
there another one
went to a university
it took him away from Chicago
yes exactly he was a favorite of mine
yeah I had a close relationship with him
you know he called me and write to me so
I don't know if she liked it
so so the so you're saying that the the
first accomplishment that the most is
that you was therefore you married at
the same boys and girls students to
yeshivas right from from Dayton Ohio
which didn't have a Yeshiva that's
correct that's true Craig we started one
here and and I remember one of the
leaders of the uh Yeshiva movement in
New York uh trying to think his name uh
leader came to Dayton and the gifter no
the gift it was in Cleveland Cleveland
right uh anyhow
uh he uh at any rate
his organization came up with some seed
money
to help us get started get started with
what
Montana
yes this was on the eurospices
right
right like a day school yes the learning
was what the learning was a day school
level or was a Yeshiva learning well it
probably was they scored first
first and for that and it devolved into
a high school was it also on the Toro
masara exactly
exactly under
the Under head
I told him so right uh me or who was who
was the head of the Day School
movement what a struggle fiber men to
love it
Robert Levy yeah
okay whoever yeah
all right that's right that's coming
yes I I know yes yes
houses on and we like now getting
started with Yeshiva wasn't easy because
you would think the shoe would want it
five kids including our son right oh
hello the one that you made oh the
doctor that's actually right what's his
first name Joshua Joshua Yeshua Fox yes
he's a well-known doctor you'll find it
okay yeah so I can use them for my
Dermatology issues yeah anyway okay
at any rate so you had five kids and and
it wasn't easy because what there was
opposition right right of why are you
sending why doing this not going why are
the kids going to public school right
right exactly and and the community
that's the Jewish Community leaders
opposed it they didn't want a nice shoe
first of all they felt to take away
funds from them right I realized it
really with cost there's a costume well
we'll see the cost yeah even though
we're not charging them anything
the children the organization or the
organization the organization to help
you to help right so there's no charge
you know we didn't charge I try to
avoid the unit costs yeah for Jewish
Education as much as possible that's
wonderful yeah Special yeah I wish you
could be this way today yeah a little
bit a little bit a Bissell it is
outrageous the tuition amounts that the
yeshiva's day schools 20 000. you gotta
you got to make 400 000 a year somebody
has
150 000 for tuition
we already get that kind of money so
anyway it should be you know subsidized
yeah yeah so I always try to subsidize
him so and so at any rate they they held
that the community leaders you know
didn't want the issue they held it
against me and those also uh even
members of my own synagogue uh didn't
want to DARE they said children break
things blah blah blah blah yeah yeah you
know so they didn't want it children are
children right they didn't want to they
didn't want it wasn't the show premises
the show and I did not surely right
that's where it started but later on you
know I I also involved the uh balabatin
Federation I involved the other
congregations as well conservative and
reform to send their children here so
this became a community school okay it's
community school and there they had to
do things they wouldn't otherwise wear
capos yeah yeah they're right so so we
compromised it that at that time that
Sunday
they could go to their school and you
teach them what you want
Oh you mean today like Sunday school the
reform a conservative summer yeah
exactly right right right right right so
you could do whatever you put on but
Monday through Friday this goes around
by Taurus
right under their leadership
snare Cutler ever come out the rabbit
Cutlass Son of Iron Cutter's son of
Schneider did he ever come out because
he was I think the head of all very also
involved in terms of sorrow but no I
don't remember you remember that no but
I remember the leader of kamenotsky he
came out he came out right do you
remember ever hearing grab Aaron Cutler
speak
did you ever meet him
spoken like that where where
basically cargo one time yeah you met
Roberto
yeah yeah
she finds then yeah I remember I was
invited to his grandson's dress or the
kendler uh remember tender was a
son-in-law right right it's actually
Rabbi tender that invited me yeah I
understand yeah
father yes
that's right and that was the father
right
um what what about
um we spoke about silver we spoke about
that Mike Sheriff spoke about Rabbi
gifter you you knew I'm a gifter from
Cleveland yeah well I I knew of him but
he never came to to right because he's
in Ohio as well right he's in Cleveland
how far is Cleveland from Dayton
Cleveland from day to Native about 300
miles 300 miles
and um
uh
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if you mentioned Feinstein you know yeah
my children went to Cincinnati so uh we
mentioned about Rabbi there well that
comes
my children right because in the day
school how far Cincinnati from Dayton OH
it's about 15 years
55 Bible so this they went well I
thought I thought you said they your son
Joshua was was the first a student in
the day school but me before after he
went to the school in in Cincinnati and
since that school started by whoever
silver right right right and he had
Robert shafts in be his principal all
right and and he had a Yeshiva there
it's higher and and my father-in-law
it's one of the founders made in
Cincinnati Cincinnati uh-huh
uh-huh uh any other rabbonim or Dylan or
rabbis which rabbit came which rabbits
anyone came to care they didn't know no
Hasidic redness came yes yes
from Milwaukee uh
try escape from
aha came to Dayton uh
something like that he would give out
try him the food that's got Shrine yeah
no so it gave 10 cents or something to
to everybody but he got much more in
return yeah
yeah okay we're gonna take a break for a
moment now we've had a wonderful uh
first part of our interview with Rabbi
uh Fox of shmuel fox who was a love in
Dayton Ohio for over 60 years and Hashem
the cup Arabic starch the memory arbit
the male orbit and it's givaldi we'll
see you soon thank you