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>> Welcome to Inside ArtScroll, where the
books that we read and the people that
write them come to life. It's a distinct
zchus to welcome Rabbi Shimon Finkelman
to ArtScroll studios.
>> Here you are.
>> Shalom aleichem. It's It's great to have
you here, Rabbi. Great to see you.
And the conversation here is about a
book which I didn't know that anyone
could write.
It's a book that tries to encapsulate
the light the life of the Mashgiach, Reb
Moshe Wolfson, zt"l,
the founder of Emunas Yisrael. Is that a
good way to say it?
>> Mashgiach of Torah V'Daas.
But it does a very beautiful job, and
we're here to talk a little bit about
the process of writing it, and obviously
most more you know, more importantly,
the life of the Mashgiach himself.
So, so Rabbi Finkelman, bring us into
the humble beginnings
of Reb Moshe Wolfson, because it seems
like even just from reading the book, he
was born great.
>> He was born perhaps in a to a wonderful
family.
>> For sure.
>> With uh
I guess good middos, but he certainly
worked on himself very much his whole
life, till his last day, to be who he
was.
>> That's for sure. But it seems like even
as a younger bachur, when hasmadah in
the United States was probably an a
forgotten art,
he would he would sit in the Beis
Medrash in the What was it? The Palisher
Shtiebel?
>> Yes.
>> And he would learn. They said if you
wanted to find him, you'd find him in
the Palisher Shtiebel.
>> That's That's correct.
>> Where did he get those mussagim or those
I those concepts from? It wasn't a
popular thing.
>> Well, he didn't speak much about himself
>> Mhm.
>> and didn't speak much about his his
parents.
But the little that he said gives us
some idea. His father was a so-called
baal habayis. He was a Mashgiach for a
matzah bakery.
And his father had a choice of working
by day or working at night, and he chose
the night shift so he would not be
rushed in his Shacharis.
That's why he chose the night shift, to
be able to daven slowly every morning
for Shacharis.
So, and uh that's one thing he said
about his father. He also said that his
father every Shabbos by Mim Kamocha in
uh in the Kedusha of Shacharis, he would
cry.
Every morning every Shacharis, and that
made a big impression on his son. So,
uh
>> He cried by Mussaf and when did he
>> Yes, yes, I believe so, yeah.
>> Like a yearning
>> A yearning for Mashiach, yearning for
Tzion, yeah. Yeah. So, he had he
certainly had wonderful role models to
learn from.
>> And his mother as well was a a very
>> Was a very special lady. Very special
lady. We have in the book uh one little
incident where
um she was cheated by someone and her
boss said to her, "What what are you
going to do about it?" And she said,
"Well, everybody makes mistakes."
So, she was also a very special person.
>> Now,
what did did did Reb Moshe the Mashgiach
have have have chinuch experience as a
teenager or did it only happen a little
bit later in life?
>> Well, his Rebbi Muvak was Reb Shraga
Feivel Mendlowitz. That's how
>> Mr. Mendlowitz.
>> The right, Mr. Mendlowitz. He called
himself the founder of Mesivta Tifereth
Torah V'Daas. He was his He said even
though he had many he
he had many there were many
Rebbes he was close to. He was close to
Reb Yaakov Kamenetzky, to Reb Aaron
Kotler, zichronam livracha. But he said
his main Rebbi was definitely Reb Shraga
Feivel.
And um Reb Shraga Feivel obviously saw
something in him because when he was yet
a bochur in his early 20s,
and a group of 35 boys came from South
America to Tifereth Torah V'Daas who
didn't speak English or Yiddish,
he chose um
Moshe Wolfson, a bochur, to be their
Rebbi. That was his first teaching
position.
And he was successful. In fact, we have
baruch Hashem in Eretz Yisrael today,
Reb Dovid Weill Agus, was in that first
class in 1946.
And he said he was a it was fantastic he
was fantastic.
Somehow he communicated with them with
the language barrier. He managed to
communicate with them.
That's right.
That's right. That's right.
>> Can we take a step back and before we
unpack a little bit more about the
Mashgiach himself?
Or I think when I know that you've been
part of Emunas Yisrael, the shul, the
community, the kehilla probably for
decades.
>> Since it's beginning.
>> Since it's inception. What is Emunas
Yisrael?
>> Emunas Yisrael
is a kehilla
founded by Rav Wolfson
not by choice meaning that Rav Wolfson
all his life never sought any position
of any sort. He would have been content
to be a first grade rebbe which he was
and just serve
the Ribono shel Olam privately his whole
life.
But um
without going through the whole history
he through Hashgacha Protis he became
Mashgiach of Torah Vodaas.
And from there he became Manhig Ruchni
of of
Camp Torah Vodaas.
In Camp Torah Vodaas he one of his main
role was
leading the Masmidim program.
And he infused them with appreciation
for tefillah and
Avodas Hashem in general and
put a lot of effort into those talmidim.
And at some point the talmidim asked Rav
Wolfson if they could start a shul
because it they bought it bothered them
that the davening they were used to in
camp [music] was not what they daven
what they were used to at back at home
back in the city.
>> You know it was it was at a higher level
of davening in camp.
>> You know that that's what Emunas Yisrael
slow davening a lot of hislavus a lot of
uh
hishtapchus hanefesh and they missed it.
It was only in the summer for eight
weeks. So they asked Rav Wolfson if they
could start a shul on Shabbos just on
Shabbos and he said go ahead and then
gave them the name of Amunas Yisrael. It
started as a Shabbos shul, only on
Shabbos, and he lived in Williamsburg.
He would not leave Williamsburg as long
as his mother and mother-in-law were
alive. His father and father-in-law
already passed away. And as keep it aim,
he would not leave Williamsburg. So, for
a number of years Amunas Yisrael ran
without him being there.
Yeah.
>> It was just his mahalek.
>> His mahalek. Right. He would come for
Shabbos once in a while, once in a
while. But, um that's how it began.
And it just grew and grew to uh it
started with maybe 25 bachurim. 25
bachurim.
And uh eventually they got married. And
baruch Hashem, today in Boro Park,
Amunas Yisrael has
say probably 300 members, 300 families.
Bli ayin hara. It's a large shul. And uh
there are branches in Lakewood, Monsey,
Yerushalayim, and Beitar.
Unbelievable.
>> Why did he choose the name Amunas
Yisrael?
>> Because emunah was uh
the theme of his life. Emunah. He spoke
about it all the time. B'emunah
shleimah,
different [music] emunahs, emunah in
Hashem, emunah in in the goodness of a
Yid, of the shaar that every Yid Hashem
loves every Yid. Emunas chachamim.
And um
And so, he named it Amunas Yisrael,
Yisrael after the Baal Shem Tov. He
said, "We go in the
Chassidus by the derech of the Baal Shem
Tov." So, he chose the name Amunas
Yisrael.
>> Was there a particular Chassidus that he
aligned with?
>> Uh he was a Skverer Chassid.
>> Mhm.
>> All his
um
He's He started out he was close with
the Modzhitzer Rebbe.
Modzhitzer Rebbe passed away, he became
close to the previous Skverer Rebbe,
zatzal.
And then he became close to the present
Skverer Rebbe, who's much younger than
he was. But yet, he was he he was shail
eitzah by him all the time. And but he
was also close
That's what was something that was
unique about Rav Wolpin was he drank
from everybody. He loved every Yid. And
he drank from every
stripe of Yiddish of Torah Yiddishkeit.
He was close to Satmar Rebbe,
Lubavitcher Rebbe, Skverer Rebbe,
Modzitzer Rebbe, Klausenburger Rebbe.
Uh I must have left some one of them
out. And I said before Rebbe Yaakov
Kamenetsky, he told me when I was a
bachur, there was a situation where I
needed a good eitzah. He wanted me to
speak to Rebbe Yaakov Kamenetsky, and we
couldn't it would could not be arranged.
So, he he told me what he held, and he
said to me, "I like to think that when I
give people advice, it's based on what
Rebbe Yaakov Kamenetsky taught me."
And this is with my brother when he was
the mashgiach of the yeshiva, and he was
the mashgiach.
Yes, so Rebbe Feivel Cohen, when was the
first time you met the mashgiach?
I was I mean I learned in Torah Vodaas.
So,
I saw him in the Beis Medrash till I
left Torah Vodaas when I was 19. But I
continued going to camp Torah Vodaas.
>> Mhm.
>> And I I really in camp Torah Vodaas,
although he was busy with the masmidim,
and I was a counselor or division head,
but we had a lot to do with with the
mashgiach because he was a big believer
in color war.
He's a very broad-minded person.
He felt that that uh if you used the
theme of color war, the team themes
right, the children could come home with
a tremendous amount of Yiddishkeit and
yiras Shamayim.
And we [music] we, not just I, but uh my
my number of friends of mine, when we
had to write a speech for banner
presentation, we'd go to the mashgiach
for advice, for divrei Torah.
When we had a grand play for color war,
we would go to him sometimes for a
story, and he would sit with us and give
us stories.
He would sometimes come and and and
watch the banner presentations. I think
I don't think he so much wanted to hear
the speech. He wanted to give chizuk to
the speakers.
So, he came.
He'd come to the grand sing.
>> And when did you personally get a a
shaychus or kesher to him?
>> Uh
it was a A was in camp. A lot was in
camp, and uh
and then when the Munkacser shul started
and I joined the Munkacser shul, I
continued my kashrus with him till he
passed away till 2 years ago.
He was left there.
>> And he was left there at the age of a
over 100.
>> 100. Yeah, almost 100.
>> Did Did the mashgiach wear a streimel?
>> Uh no, he did not except the last year
of his life, he wore a streimel at home,
only at home.
Uh it's a footnote in the book.
A streimel is a
It's the kavod shabbos. It's a dignified
uh uh
headgear hat for a for a chasidishe yid.
But um so every over the course of his
long life, he considered putting one on.
And again, in his humility, at one point
he was shail eitzah by the Rachmastrivka
Rebbe shlita of Boro Park
to ask him if he should put a streimel
on or not. And amazingly, the
Rachmastrivka Rebbe, who also was a very
broad-minded person, told him that he
thinks he's his hashpa'ah is much wider
because he doesn't wear a streimel and
people feel they can relate to him more.
So he advised him not to wear a
streimel.
So he didn't.
But he wanted to put one on till the end
of his life because he said it's brought
down in sefarim that in the next world,
a person wears the clothing he wore on
Shabbos.
And he said he hoped he'll be able to
see the tzaddikim he was close with, and
they're all going to be wearing
streimelach and he's going to be the
only one without a streimel.
But he knew that at age 99, to put on a
streimel would cause a stir, and he and
the last thing he wanted was publicity.
So he put one on only at home.
>> As as somebody who's been a part of
Munkacser shul for decades,
wh-
did it also attract diversity? Like did
more modern people come to the shul
sometimes? Did people who were visiting
Boro Park come to daven there? And if
And if yes,
did Reb Wolson have a a kosher
a zuga a sprach a a language with these
people, a shared language?
>> He had a sprach with everyone. He was
American-born.
>> Mhm.
>> Spoke a perfect English.
In fact, uh
a contingent from YU started coming to
Monsey shul. They would come to borrow
proper Shabbos.
And uh at one point, one of those
bochurim approached Rav Wolson and asked
if he would give them a shiur in Tanya,
in sefer Tanya in English. Till then,
his I mean his shiurim were all in
Yiddish.
And he agreed to do it at home once a
week. Once a week. His rebbetzin said to
him, "If you have extra time, why not
give it to the bochurim of Monsey shul?"
Which I mean, he gave a lot of time to
the bochurim of Monsey shul, but "If you
have an hour a week," he said, "I think
there'll be a big tayeles from this."
And those shiurim were recorded. And
eventually, uh
Mrs. Warhand, who runs the Monsey shul,
made a beautiful book out of those
shiurim.
No, I'm sorry. That That was the other
shiurim he gave in English on Emunah.
This is on Tanya. Uh uh uh one of the
bochurim, uh Rabbi Zev Reichman, today
he's a rav.
>> Sure.
>> Rabbi Zev Reichman, uh made a book
Flames of It's called Flames of Faith.
Based on those Tanya shiurim.
>> Wow.
>> Yeah.
Yes, he had he had he could communicate
with everyone, with everyone. People All
kinds of people would come. All kinds of
people.
>> Was there a moment in the calendar year
that as someone who participated with
him mamesh
every all the time, you felt like was
Rav Wolson's He was in a different place
or a different space?
>> Well, uh
Every Shabbos with him was special.
Every Shabbos.
He davened three times a day, six days a
week.
In in Shma Koleinu. He should be He and
his rebbetzin should be zocheh to a
wonderful uplifting Shabbos.
Yes.
Yes, he looked he shone on Shabbos. It
was just different. But if he had to
pick a highlight of the year in the Amud
Yisrael, it was the Purim seudah.
As
uh people would eat the seudah at home
with the having in mind to bench in
shul.
They would come to shul around 8:30 p.m.
at the end of Purim, you know, going
into Shushan Purim.
And uh
and the Mashgiach zatzal would lead the
Purim seudah till around 1:00 in the
morning.
Even when he was 99 years old, right, uh
3 months before he was niftar,
he led the Purim seudah for 3 hours, 3
hours. He would you know, he always
chose niggunim to sing and in between
the singing he said amazing divrei
Torah. It was it was something special.
>> He He was very musical, correct?
>> Yes.
>> He got that from his time with the
Modzitzer Rebbe?
>> I think he came already with a
uh chush for niggun.
Uh one of his closest friends in in
Torah Vodaas was Reb Simcha Shenker,
alav hashalom.
Post In fact, there's a famous Hamavdil
Bein Kodesh L'Chol.
>> Sure. We sing it.
>> Yes. And Reb Simcha Shenker sang the
niggun for Reb Volson as as a bochur.
Volson said, "I think Hamavdil would fit
well to that niggun." Yes, that's how it
became
>> Did he compose niggunim for the shul?
>> He composed niggunim also, yes, yes.
>> And they sing them at the Yamim Nora'im?
>> Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, certain niggunim. Not many. I
mean, he
Uh but uh he he knew tremendous amount
of niggunim, tremendous amount.
And he always
took uh appro- he's always choosing the
right niggun for the right the right
moment.
>> That's also an art.
>> Yes. Yes. Now, I'll say an interesting
thing. One Simchas Torah, which is a
story in itself, Simchas Torah with Reb
Volson was La'eila La'eila.
And one Simchas Torah, one of the
leading baalei menaganim in the shul was
away for Yom Tov.
So, Reb Volson designated someone else
in his place.
The person said uh
"What's the Mashgiach's agenda? He meant
to say like what what am I what are we
going to be singing? He said my only
agenda is to do the ratzon Hashem.
But
even so I was told that he would sit
down before Simchas Torah and
choose the niggunim that he wanted to
sing at that particular time.
>> In that hakafah?
>> In that in that hakafah or that night or
that day. And I think other occasions
also he would prepare the niggunim in
advance at certain certain occasions.
>> I want I want to take a little bit of
time and and focus on the actual book
itself.
How did you put together
a book that really incorporates so much
of who Rav Avraham was and just so much
of his life. It must have been an
incredible amount of research.
Or did you know it just from being
around?
>> It
I can't say I knew it I knew quite a bit
but not
nearly not nearly enough for a book of
this size.
No.
I very fortunate have a lot of friends
in the Modzitzer world.
And I I did a lot of interviews.
A lot was written about him. There was a
lot from recordings of him. Not just his
shiurim which I used but in certain uh
talks to the to the shuls to young guys
he would talk about
his life, spoke about how he went from
being a rebbe to a watchmaker when he
lost his voice and couldn't speak.
>> Right.
>> And that's how he became a watchmaker.
>> Right. And that's how he became a
Mashgiach cuz he couldn't go he couldn't
go back to being an elementary school
rebbe. It's
And um
And then I have two very close friends,
Rav Baruch Leizer, Rav Baruch Kovitz who
are currently writing a Lashon Kodesh
biography on the Mashgiach.
And we're Baruch Hashem good friends and
we made up to exchange information. So I
gave them my interviews, they gave me
their interviews and that helped a lot.
It helped a lot.
And uh
>> Did you interview the Mashgiach as well?
>> Sure.
The Mashgiach was extremely helpful,
extremely helpful. And I'm very grateful
that one of the Mashgiach's daughters
read the entire manuscript for accuracy
before it went to print.
And uh yeah, I spoke to a lot of family
members.
>> How do you What's your What's the actual
process? So, you interview, do you
record it?
>> Yes.
>> And then you go back and you listen?
>> Uh
if I feel I need to. It's I have it on
recording, so I
>> Do you take notes while you
>> I try to take notes as I'm recording. As
I'm You know, you do it usually
interview over the phone, so I can take
notes as we're talking.
>> How did you decide like
should it follow his his life's his ages
and stages or cuz in the beginning of
the book it starts in a different way.
How do you figure that out? Like what's
the best way to to write a biography cuz
I This is not the first book that you've
written, Rabbi Frand. Sure.
>> Every author has his style.
So,
but what I like to do in a biography in
the first chapter is sort of give an
overview of who are we talking about.
I don't start with his childhood. I
start with giving
>> I noticed
>> giving a Who is this tzaddik? What makes
him special? What What are we going to
be reading about? And after that
chapter, I go through his life and then
after that
different uh
main points of his life. And the case of
Reb Wolpin, Shabbos with the Mashgiach,
Purim with There's a whole chapter on
Purim with the Mashgiach.
Uh his middos is unbelievable middos.
He's such a tzaddik, such a
good-hearted neshama, such a caring
person for everybody, for everyone.
Not just for the shul.
Um
his humility
For many years, he referred to himself
as the president of Emunas Yisrael, not
the Rav. He couldn't bring himself to
call himself the Rav. Eventually, he got
used to it and even the stationery said
the Rav of Emunas Yisrael, but it took
him took him a while. He once got up
before he went to Florida on doctor's
orders in the winter and said, "When the
bus driver is leaving, you have to make
sure that everything is in order."
That's what he said. His humility was
real It was real. His humility was real.
To me
Go ahead.
I once when I was in oval for my mother
I once I told him that I had seen in
Garan Israel that all the avail and who
say Kadish stand together next to the
Rebbe and say Kadish word for word.
He said He said that's an excellent
idea. They should do it here, too. I
said, "Where should we stand?" He said,
"Anywhere. In this shul there's no
Rebbe."
And he meant it. He really meant it.
>> I was blown away by
what you wrote that how he was able to
be careful with shmiras einayim for the
2 years that he went to Manhattan to be
a watchmaker. Share it with us cuz it's
it's it's it's a a different It's a It's
a different world.
>> Well, I knew this from a friend of my
Rebbe Uncle Weinberger who told me he
was once going to Florida for the first
time. And he knew that in Florida with
the warm weather shmiras einayim could
be in his sight.
>> [music]
>> And he asked what Wilson like how do I
handle this in his sight?
And Wilson said to him,
"You know, I was a watchmaker for a
couple of years when I lost my voice and
had to travel by train to Manhattan
every day.
He said I had two problems. One problem
was the shmiras einayim on the train in
the street in Manhattan.
And my second problem, he said, "My
boss, I don't know who was
of kind of person he was, he said he had
the radio blaring loud all day long and
at first it disturbed me very much.
So, I came up with an idea.
Every morning before leaving for work, I
would decide which topic in Torah am I
focusing on today. I chose a topic.
And as soon as I left the house, I began
thinking about that topic.
And I went on the train, I didn't notice
the people. I walked in the street, I
was focused on what I was been about. I
sat in my workbench and I didn't hear
the radio.
He said and he said an amazing thing. He
said, "Believe me, I wanted so
desperately to go back to Yeshiva, my
voice should return. But at the same
time, I have to tell you, I grew more in
my Yiddishkeit in those two years as a
watchmaker than all my years in
Yeshiva."
>> Wow, that's what he said?
It's like the deepest kind of effort
that
>> And by the way, tell me that I saw this
later in life. He would walk down the
street and he didn't notice his own
talmidim because he trained had trained
himself. He'd walk in the street. He
would walk from Borough Park to
Tarvodas, which is quite a nice walk.
And people sometimes wondered why a
schmear said, "Hey, why didn't he
Why didn't he take a ride or for take a
car service or whatever?" And he told
people he did it for exercise. And
people I And he once told the talmud to
say, "No, I I failed to the mashgiach in
the street and the mashgiach
doesn't answer me." He said, "I'm so
sorry. I'm so sorry, but I walk in the
street, I I almost don't see people. I'm
focused on my thoughts. I don't see
people." The next time the talmud said,
"Good morning, Rabbi." And he said, "Ah,
good morning." He never As soon as he
heard him say good morning, he looked at
him and responded.
>> I feel when I feel like we didn't even
scratch the surface about talking about
the mashgiach and think anyone that
wants to scratch the surface should buy
the book.
And they should learn the book.
It's not enough to read it. It's not
It's not a book that you sit on a on a
lawn chair and you sip a lemonade. It's
a book that has You said this for
everything in life inside of it and it
shows what a person could become with
the real life of Aida.
>> I think so. And um
Every day with him was was special. And
I I think reading about him also was
That's a shame.
Hopefully it will
be a good experience for the reader. He
should have a light again again and the
source of so many people seeing what
this type of person is and what they
could become should stand by you and you
continue to write many beautiful
biographies.
>> And may that's luck to you.
>> It's kind of hard.
>> [music]
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