Rabbi's view on NON-JEWISH birthrate in the Holy Land may SHOCK you | ETHICAL DILEMMAS Part 2

we're looking at ethical dilemmas from a deeper spiritual view a metaphysical view uh getting into some of the otherw worldly Concepts that are behind the legal discussions of ethical dilemas in Torah and in Jewish tradition okay so I'll start off last week I think we covered like three dilemmas more or less um I'm not sure how many will cover tonight but I'll start off with a nice controversial one and uh I'll present it in terms of a story because really it's a discussion it's a conversation between two rabbis one of those rabbis is lab and this discussion took place in the laich's office at 770 Eastern Parkway Crown Heights when he was visited on the Hebrew datein me that is June 18th 1980 by Rabbi aam Yakov fredman otherwise known as the sadur RAB sadur RAB is if you're into mology you know the uh the dynasty of ran RAB raner who was one of the great uh RAB is of the 19th century and he was a direct descendant of the mid many different dynasties come from him so the sador is descended from the raner and he had actually just assumed leadership of his cidus the previous year in 1979 and their Community originally ran is in Ukraine and they uh were in Central Europe for a while in in Austria but uh the this sadab that we're speaking about in this story was based inel in uh B so a lot of the discussion that he had with the rebba was about the situation in the land of Israel so there's a recording of this conversation by the way there's an audio recording of the entire conversation um in Yiddish but at one point in the conversation the sad laments that the Israeli doctors have been pushing birth control Family Planning that uh for whatever reason for whatever uh agenda they've been using their position as doctors to push this idea of small families you know presenting the idea that supposedly that's in the name of in the name of health and uh uh you should just understand the the context of this discussion obviously from a Torah point of view or maybe it's not obvious so I'll state it from a toor point of view you probably may have figured out the big families are a thing probably notice religious families are large families um so from a Torah point of view purposely not having big families is an issue but also from a what we'll call a demographic point of view if you're talking about in the land of Israel and Jewish uh population in the land so it's a little bit funny to tell Jewish people to go out of their way not to have big families and that's where the conversation basically went and the debba responded to and said by the when I say the Reb I mean the because first of all that's my Reb so I don't need to like qualify which Reb I'm talking but when I say the I mean so says this it's tragic that the government will spend and the ab said a number and I don't know where the figure is from but that deba said $30,000 the government will invest $30,000 to help a family from outside of the land of Israel make Aliyah and get settled in the land of Israel and at the same time they're doing that they're spending money like undercutting themselves by having this campaign where I don't know if it's an official campaign or it's just sort of what the doctors were doing but allocating resources that ultimately are being used to discourage large families so it's like a little bit of um counterproductive not a little bit counterproductive very counterproductive so the SBA said well you know one solution would be that they could increase stipend I don't know if it was tax credits or or stiens actually giving money but the idea was to somehow incentivize monetary incentives uh for children you know they they in the United States government to some extent you know they have child tax credits um and populations countries that are trying to grow their population they use economic incentives for people to have or or or the opposite of if a country is trying to decrease their population so they disincentivize large families and they make it prohibitive so the SBA says you know the solution would be that the government can create monetary incentives to large families however he says there's there's a big problem with that and the problem is and here's the ethical dilemma I want to present to you tonight the sbba says if the government will give mon AR incentives to families for having more children remember there are all of these Arab citizens of Israel and they would also be incentivized and that would ultimately create demographic issues as far as maintaining the Jewish majority so you know there goes that plan and the dev says why is that a problem and I I'm telling you I listened to the recording I also read the transcript in Yiddish but I listen to the recording because it's a surprising conversation and I and I'll tell you why it's surprising it's surprising because we are used to I I'll own it I am used to the way that most people speak on issues unfortunately is party line and once you know how somebody holds on one issue you could pretty much predict down the line how they're going to hold on every other issue so sbba says if they're going to give money to people having large families what are we going to do it's going to also going to encourage the Arabs to have more children and the dev says unflinchingly well what would be the problem with that why is that a problem and listen listen to what theba says there's a concept it's actually a verse in yes in the prophet Isaiah it was not created for being void being empty meaning the worldis to be inhabited it was created and that idea is that the world was created to be inhabited I know there's a discussion about the population bomb and over population and all that stuff but the Jewish concept is the world was created to be inhabited we know that there is a Mitzvah one of the 613 Commandments binding upon Jewish people which ISU be fruitful and multiply according to different ways of counting the mitzvah that could even be the first Mitzvah because that's the first Mitzvah that was given it was given to Adam and Eve and later repeated to Noah so we have this duty to populate the world now watch what the debba says the non-jews of this world according to Torah it's very interesting and I'm going to explain this because it's it's unfamiliar to many people and a lot of people make a assumptions about what this means because they think it means what things that it doesn't mean so on one hand Judaism is not a prati religion there's absolutely no goal in making the world Jewish not it's not considered something to pursue at all and to the contrary um prospective converts are discouraged they're told what do you need this for they're told what he need this for not as a way of being exclusive or elitist they're told what do you need this for cuz quite frankly I mean what do you need this for like why do you need first of all and this is what the Jewish Court tells any prospective convert why do you want to join a minority that's being persecuted like what do you need that for also why do you need to take on extra religious obligations like what's wrong if if you want to go drive to the beach on Saturday and you want to go dig a sand castle and once you become Jewish you're not going to be able to do that what's wrong if you want to eat some bacon it's not a terrible thing for a non-jew to it's not there's nothing wrong with for a non-jew it's only prohibited for a Jew to do it so we tell non-jews what do you need this for why do you want to become jewi don't become Jewish on the other hand and I think a lot of people uh don't understand this or never even heard of the concept there's something called sh mitz sh means seven Mitzvah means Mitzvah like Commandments are the children of of Noah now all human beings are ended from Noah because Noah is the Survivor of the flood and his descendants are the ones who repopulated the World After the flood so everyone is descended from Noah Noah was given seven Commandments how to live so the entire world is obligated to adhere to seven Commandments cheva mitzah Benet no so on one hand the Jewish view is that we don't try to get non-jews to become Jewish and then become obligated in keeping 613 Commandments like why should they on the other hand there is a belief that we as Jews should encourage and if we have the ability to do so um enforce that the entire world follows the theeven no laws as which as sometimes that's translated which are mostly ethical principles but it it's not ethical humanism it's not secular ethics uh the first Mitzvah of the seven noahide Mitzvah is the belief in God and also the probation against blaspheming God so it's based on belief in God and it's based that these Mitzvah are of divine origin in fact not to get uh too detailed but technically a non-jew is supposed to keep the seven Mitzvah of the children of Noah not because it was given to Noah but because it was reiterated again at the time of the Revelation at sin when the 63 Commandments were given to the Jewish people in other words the Revelation at sin is what made it binding in our present day okay so the rebba says to the sadur Reb they are obligated in the Arabs who live in the land of Israel they are obligated in following the seven noahide laws so the debba says first of all it's just a general concept that human beings are supposed to be fruitful and multiply that's not one of the seven noide laws but it's a general concept the seven noide laws you have to understand also are broader categories so like for instance like don't steal but under don't steal there's all types of different subcategories like don't kidnap don't embezzle don't defraud somebody in business there these are subcategories so be fruitful and multiply is not one of the specific seven noide laws but it is certainly in the spirit of the seven noad laws and indeed be fruitful and multiply was given to Adam who is the father of all humanity and again to Noah who again is the father of all Humanity as we mentioned earlier the the Survivor of the flood who's the ends are the basis of all human population and furthermore the rebba says they have expressly a commandment not to take a life not to kill and the Seven noahide law is one of the one of the Mitzvah one of the is a Prohibition against taking a life and the rebba says that if we the Jewish people are in a situation where there's a government meaning the Israeli government which by the way let's say very clearly is not a religious government the Israeli government is not a theocracy it is not run in accordance with with Jewish law however this is where it gets a little complicated Jewish people even if the government isn't a Jewish based government it's not a Torah government but the people who make up the government who run the government are Jews and Jews are obligated in Torah and one of the things the Torah obligates a Jew to do is to encourage non-jews to keep the seven noide laws so the Reba says if we have a situation like it's not just like in America where if you meet somebody and uh you know meet somebody who's not Jewish and they want to hear about your beliefs and you can encourage them to keep the seven noad laws that's in America because you don't have any real authority to encourage or discourage their personal religious practices all you can do is suggest the re says but in Israel where the Jewish people are in the government and setting policy that's going to affect non-jews so we actually the Jewish people who are in the government have an obligation a Torah obligation not to do anything that could facilitate that a non-jewish family would abort a pregnancy because thereby we would be causing them to transgress one of their seven laws so therefore the debba says if we give incentives to large families in the land of Israel and non-jewish families also have big families we're actually doing a Mitzvah we're actually doing a Mitzvah we're helping those non-jewish families to keep their seven noahide laws now s if you listen to the recording it's clear that he's very surprised by this line of thinking and he speaks about the demographics what about the demographics and listen what the debba says the debba says look at the end of the day we're following God's will this is Jewish law Jewish law is that the non-jews have seven noahide laws and we as Jews are supposed to encourage them to do it and if we have the authority to help them do it or or the flip side of the same coin is we'd be in a position of responsibility if we were to undermine them doing it so then we're doing God's Will and therefore you can tell me from a practical standpoint it doesn't make sense but we we have to follow God's will and if we follow God's will then somehow it's going to all work out so you know benorian was far from a religious Jew he was part of a very very very secular not only secular but anti-religious culture from that that group of uh the the the the the ashkenazic European cultured left-wing that that that really formed the early government in uh in Israel and even he said that to be a realist in the Middle East you have to believe in miracles so from a pragmatic point of view maybe it would be crazy to do this to encourage the non-jewish population to increase and to multiply but from a Torah point of view it's the right thing to do and if you doing what God wants you to do ultimately how can you how can you suffer from that can only be a good thing now I I just want to drive home the point I mentioned earlier that in today's day and age people follow a party line and once you know what they hold on one issue you could pretty much predict how they hold on every other issue because things are very very polarized and they are basic two choices we have extreme polarized politics and uh and that's that's the way unfortunately the internet has a lot to do with it with the echo chamber the internet the search engine bubble just taking whatever it is you're already into and reinforcing it and reinforcing it and reinforcing it till it becomes almost like an absurd reductionist view of whatever it is you started with and I said to you that it's shocking because the Deb is position on this issue is so not what you would have predicted what I I want to drive home that point because in that same conversation and it's not a long conversation I think it's about an hour in that same conversation maybe minutes later the sadur Reb I told you this is 1980 asks the rebba about land for peace specifically land from The Six Day War from 1967 about using it to negotiate deals with uh with other uh countries with Arab countries and that Eva says absolutely uncategorically no there's no such thing as land for peace it does not bring peace that de said even discussing the idea of giving away land invites violence and what's interesting is and the dev also says there it it leads to a loss of life both Jewish and non-jewish that even putting it on the table the idea of negotiating land for peace ultimately causes loss of life on both sides so there's so much new nuance and complexity to that point of point of view first of all in light of what the rebba just said that the the is the Israeli government should basically pay for Arabs to have more babies and then in the same conversation to say but land for peace is not even a discussion but then in the same breath as that to say and by the way one of the reasons we're concerned about land for peace is because it creates loss of life God forbid from Jews and non-jews in other words we're we're also concerned about non-jews losing their life why should they lose their life why should we create a situation that's going to cause a clash and it's going to cause the deba always said that when you put it on the table the idea of land for peace you're actually inviting loss of life on both sides that was the Deb's position that AB was very very very strong in that position all the years which again all the more so makes it so surprising what that deba said about the incentives for large families and I just want to point out my my really my point here is we are all I think really really locked in to partisan thinking and we all just basically get to a point where the algorithm learns what side of the political aisle you are on and then just starts reinforcing that more and more and more or sometimes it rage baits You by showing you what the most extreme absurd version of the other side is saying which probably does even more to indoctrinate people than showing them what they already believe as you show what the other side is is saying but you show them the most reductionist absurd version of the other side and and this is polarizing us to the point where we cannot have discussions and what what happens is we just label each other and even nowadays it's crazy not only we label each other we label ourselves and the beauty of this conversation that the Deb is having with the S is that it shows you that a discussion that's based on Torah defies these categorizations I had a a clip a short on YouTube where I made a statement that Torah is not right-wing or leftwing I said for example if you would take the Torah stance on abortion it would not fit into either the pro-life or the pro-choice point of view it doesn't fit neatly into either of the of those pre-made sides anyways my team who edits my videos they took that clip they put it on the on YouTube shorts I can't tell you how many comments I got from people just angry comments it's not pro-life but it's not pro-choice it's neither of it's none of the above it doesn't fit neatly into those categories do you want this or do you want this and the problem is people are so so ready to snap they want to know in half a second who side are you on which one are you who are you there's an old joke I'm going to butcher the joke but a Jew is walking in Belfast in the80s and he gets stopped and uh by a group of uh young toughs in the middle of the night and they say uh are you Cath Catholic are you protest I'm not going to try my belf Fest accent but yeah are you Catholic are you Protestant and the Jew says I'm Jewish and they say Catholic Jewish or Protestant Jewish that's the joke okay it's an old joke whatever you can Google it and see how it's actually told but it really is today like if you try to explain something that does not fit into the pre-existing pre-existing default positions people don't have time for that that's it they brand you the enemy they shut you down and it makes it impossible for us to learn from each other so I'm bringing this up even though I do not relish the fact that when I put when I upload this video by the way exactly what I'm describing right now is going to happen there's going to be an on lot of people who are going to decide my position they're going to decide exactly what side I'm on on every single other issue in the entire world and because that's that's current political discourse but I just want to point out to you that the Torah position cannot be predictably categorized as right-wing or leftwing or any of the other categories that we use today okay really the truth is that we could have a whole course just on abortion but I think because I mentioned it and because I got so much outrage on that YouTube short where people wanted to nail me down well what is it which way do you hold are you a what do you Catholic Jewish or Protestant Jewish which one pro-life or pro-choice so let me let me just give like a five minute background in the most complex and controversial and emotionally charged issue in the world five minute background okay so the actual Source the biblical Source in case you're interested in case you are into the Bible which we call the Torah okay the source for abortion as being a prohibited action is in T that's Jewish talk for Genesis 96 and there this is par this is the story of Noah and the flood and these are the rules remember I talked about the seven noahide laws so these are the rules that Noah is getting for a civilized world so it says a person who sheds the blood of a person his blood shall be shed because God made man in the image of God so our sages in the talm 57b explain what is that verse if you know a little Hebrew so that preposition B he who SP spills the blood of a personam really means in a person that letter base as a preposition it means in so if you read the verse really really literally it means he who sheds the blood of a person in a person meaning inside of a person in other words causing the loss of a fetus that's being carried buried inside a mother's room that's the scriptural verse for it according to the talmud okay so there you see that this is prohibited and this is considered this is considered a sinful act okay how so then you're going to simplify oh it's murder it's murder just like uh you walk up to somebody on the street and uh and murder them okay but then later on in which that's Jewish talk for Exodus 2122 it discusses it yeah it says when men are fighting they're brawling and they they bump into a pregnant woman and she loses her pregnancy so in this context it's speaking about monetary damages this is in Mish mishpatim literally means uh civil law in other words it's considered a tort like if you damage somebody's property and you pay for it so all of a sudden it takes it out of the realm of criminal and by the way even using these words English words they don't really fit but it now it doesn't sound like murder it sounds like monetary damages sounds like a civil case still prohibited not saying it's permitted still prohibited but certainly not a capital crime meaning not murder and not punishable by death which regular murder is punishable by death when there are witnesses and warnings and it's with the the high court and all the different Provisions that were involved okay so all already you see there's nuance here that this is not your regular murder then on top of it and again I'm giving the five minute rundown over here there are dispensations there are dispensations what what is the dispensation and this is this is fascinating there is a concept in Jewish law called reafe royfe means a pursuer now now in American discourse I don't know about other countries I grew up in America I'm very familiar with that culture I know that the way that the right and the left fight over this issue is they will often say well how come those Second Amendment guys who want to shoot somebody for breaking into their house are the ones who are so upset about abortion and then like vice versa like flipping the same argument the other way so I want to tell you something according to the Torah there's something called a REI it's called reiff literally means a pursuer there's a concept in Torah law that in a very specific case vigilante justice or extrajudicial Justice is permitted and not only permitted it becomes a Mitzvah it becomes a moral obligation that is if one person is pursuing somebody else to take their life so we are permitted to stop the pursuer by any means necessary if it is determined it could have been done by maming them and you went overboard and you hit them with the Bazooka so you're not allowed to do that what the punishment is that's another complex discussion but you're not supposed to go overboard okay you have to stop the person but what you do whatever you need to stop them I should also mention by the way very interesting that this law of re apply Li not only in a case where a person is pursuing another person to take their life but also if one person is pursuing another person to commit sexual assault so if the only way to stop it would be rapist is by killing them by Vigilantes killing the would be rapist that is a Mitzvah according to Torah law okay by the way standard disclaimers apply uh if wherever you're watching this your local government does not allow vigilante justice you're not allowed to do vigilante justice yeah I'm not sure any countries in the world will allow you to actually follow this Torah law so I'm just letting you know these are the laws on the books but you know follow your uh follow your local uh laws of your country your state your city and whatever don't get into any trouble the point is a discussion come comes up about a woman who is having a difficult pregnancy and a doctor determines that the woman is going to die because of the pregnancy either she's carrying the pregnancy or she's in labor she's as far along as you're talking about late term she's as far far along as in labor if the pregnancy is threatening her life the fetus is considered a Rea now I I didn't want to say the baby is considered artive because not because I'm squeamish but because as you see you're going to see momentarily there's a point in which it becomes a baby and and the Law changes hold on for one more minute if the pregnancy is threatening the mother's life the baby is considered a rad of the mother and by the way you're going to say well what the little baby do the baby's not a it's not it's not like some Maniac running after someone with a meat cleaver okay well hold on a second who says that a rfe has to always have intent you know what if somebody's uh with the runaway train you know the runaway train that nobody has any evil intent over there right but the the fetus is considered a RI and so its life is subservient to the mother's life to save her life so one is not only allowed to but it is a Mitzvah to take the life if necessary obviously this is not something you do uh unnecessarily but if necessary to take the life of the fetus in order to save the life of the mother however this is why I didn't call a baby before because once why why do you say why don't you say the woman is a RI of the baby because the Torah considers her life full-fledged life and the fetus is not full-fledged life so in this case where one's threatening the other one's life the fetus's life is subservient to the mother's life if one of them has to die God forbid God forbid it should never come to such a situation but if one of them has to die and you cannot save both of them the fetus is going to be the one who's considered the right that's the one whose life has to be taken if necessary however once the baby crowns once the head emerges from the birth canal now the baby's considered born now it's even stepen it's an even playing field you cannot say anymore that you that you take the baby's life to save the mother's life okay at any rate that was probably longer than five minutes but that just shows you the complexity of abortion according to the Torah law let's totally Chang the subject to something a little bit less intense okay I'll tell you a joke one time there was a rabbi a priest and a minister playing poker and it was illegal in their town to gamble and the chief of police was cracking down on gambling and he came into their house I don't know whose house they're playing at but they're playing cards for money at the one of their houses and the chief of police comes in he sees them sitting there the town priest Town Rabbi Town Minister and chief of police like oh I can't believe it you men of the cloth I can't believe it the hypocrisy you guys are gambling you know them cracking down and gambling and uh they're like all looking all guilty they're just you know they're they throw the chips under the table and whatever and uh trying to all appear like they're not doing anything anything but they're caught red-handed so the chief of police says father oi tell me the truth were you guys gambling father oi says a silent prayer he says oh Lord let me just one one time say this white lie just one little white lie he looks chief police chief of police in the eye father Ali says Chief no no I was not gambling not gambling so so uh chief of police turns to the minister he says uh he says uh Pastor Jones were you gambling and he says a little silent prayer oh Lord let me just say one little white lie one little white lie one time and he looks at chief police in the eye and uh Pastor uh Jones says Chief no I was not I was not gambling chief of police looks at the Rabbi says Robie Goldstein were you gambling Robert Goldstein says with who with who with who okay there is a concept in Jewish ethics called changing the truth because of peace that joke wasn't an example of it they were just lying to get off the hook but I I needed a joke so as a segue and okay what's the source for this the biblical source so I'm going to go to Bas which again is Jewish talk for uh Genesis 18 12 and yeah if you have your Bible at home you can look it up there okay so what do we have yes that's right Abraham and Sarah that's right so this is par V this is after aam I'm going to use the Jewish name aam's circumcision and he's 99 years old and uh so I'm going to read to you s Sarah laughed BBA you could translate as at her insides like she thought about her reproductive system and she was like I'm so old how's it possible and she said after I'm old I'm going to have this Joy of having a child and my my master that's how she respectfully referred to her husband Zin is old my husband is old very next verse verse 13 now hasem speaks to Abraham and says why did Sarah your wife laugh saying how am I going to give birth when I'm already old hold on a second the previous verse when Sarah laughed she said he's old my husband is old when Hashem speaks to Abraham to Abraham he says hey your wife said how's she going to give birth when she is old and I am old me S is speaking the first person referring to herself as being old so Rashi who our foremost commentary comes along and he breaks it down for us a little bit and he says I am old she the scripture changes or Alters things because of sh Shalom peace because we all know she just said my husband's old not that she is old and that is a passage in the tal discussion in B 87a one of the famous philosophical discussions ethical dilemmas in philosophy every college kid who took ethics 101 if that's a department or philosophy 101 uh survey of Ethics knows about the famous murderer at the door so the German Enlightenment philosopher said that values must be categorical if something is wrong it is always wrong and so his critic said to him yeah really it's wrong to lie but if a murderer comes to the door and says oh by the way Roy dafe here we have a Roy dafe so a murderer comes to the door and says hey I'm chasing so and so and he's holding his axe and he says where is he and you know where he is what are you going to do you going to be truthful you're going to stand on virtue and you're going to be honest and say he's hiding in the back over there go get him you're gonna lie that's what the critics of CT said and had a chance for a rebuttal and he doubled down that actually does sound like today like a a Twitter war so he doubled down and he said heck yeah yeah I would say that you're if you're an honest person you got to always be honest and then you're not allowed to lie to the axe murderer okay so what's interesting here is we have this Torah concept of changing the truth because of Peace where do we see an example a Biblical example of somebody who excelled in this area because the example we have here from the story of Abraham and Sarah is the Torah itself meaning Hashem himself Torah is Hashem changing the truth or altering the truth but where do we have a person yeah the famous Diplomat Arin hen the high priest Ain Aaron Brother of Misha brother of Moses he was famous for this yes so where do we see this in B midbar numbers 2029 so when Aaron passes away it says the entire congregation saw that Aaron had passed away and they grieved for Aaron 30 days Co base the entire house of Israel and Rashi tells us again Rashi our foremost commentary tells us Co B the entire house of israelim the men and the women why was he so popular you know they do these demographic studies and they say you know Aaron is really popular among men between 40 and 59 that's our demographic no no no Aaron was popular among everybody why was he popular among everyone because pursued peace he made peace between people who were litigants or fighting each other and between a man and his wife and that's Rashi says but rashi's source is the OB where where it explains it at length does Rashi is just giving us commentary just to understand the meaning of the Torah verse doesn't give us all the information but if you look at the source that Rashi got it from which is the off AB n so there it's it explains like this Arin used to make peace he was RA of shom right he pursued peace and how did he do it if he would find out two people were fighting husband and his wife or two brothers or two business partners or whatever he would go to one and he would say your friend is so ashamed of himself he wants to apologize to you but he can't look you in the eye and he would go to the other and he would say the same line your friend is so ashamed he really wants to make up with you he misses you but he's so ashamed you be the bigger one just go over to him because he really knows he's wrong he wants to be at peace with you and somehow he pulled this off without ever getting busted or maybe by the time people figured it out they didn't care anymore the point is it worked and it worked so well that Ain was enormously popular and beloved so that when he passed away the entire nation was crying by the way when mhao passed away the entire nation was not crying this is in contradistinction to madeno madeno was uh we know Moses is truth and sometimes people don't like the truth teller but iron was the Diplomat so everybody loved him okay so there's a from the re um of which year was it now I got to remember the year of is the's father's yard site he would always have a fa on that uh date so there's a of with that ebba is speaking about this story and he basically asks a very blunt question which is so the greatness of Ain is that he was a liar okay you want to say it nice you want to say he was a peace broker but the way he did it he he played with the truth now you want to say that you're allowed to change the truth because of Peace okay yeah but still this is this is the greatness that he played with truth so here's what the Reb explains and it's such a beautiful teaching when we're fighting with each other that's coming from the ego the ego operates in a world of limitation the ego is physical and it sees everything from a physical perspective which is limitations and a scarcity of resources and you know if if the the last piece of steak is in your belly now it can't be in my belly and everything becomes very divisive because here is me and there is you this is my space that's your space and and we're all like sort of in competition with each with each other that's a physical that's a physical point of view we're all very much in competition for a scarcity of resources and we don't like each other because of that and we come up with reasons why we don't like each other other that's the ego which is attached to the body or you can say the ego is the personality of the body in we call the neas the animalistic Soul which is about Survival on a very physical level then there's the Nish the soul soul is godliness and it's altruistic selfless the animalistic soul is selfish it's basically self perpetuation that's what it's all about it's just about keeping itself going The Godly soul is totally self-transcendent just wants to surrender with the one with the all and it's never at odds with anybody else so when Ain would go over and tell somebody hey your friend he's not fighting with you he really loves you he wants to be at peace with with you he wasn't lying he was actually discussing a deeper truth he was saying the truth of that person's Nish that person's soul in other words Ain was saying what his ego told you when he said don't let me catch you on my side of the street ever again that was his ego talking that was the lie but the soul is saying he loves you wants to be at peace with you even if he's not in touch with it even if he himself is not in touch with the truth of his soul but Ain would testify to the fact that's what his soul wants that's what his soul would say I'm representing the deeper truth in other words I'm not telling you a lie I'm telling you a truth a deeper truth and that's how he would facilitate peace because he would elicit from people the love the serenity the depth the wisdom that they had within in their soul and that's why when he passed away people were weeping and crying not just not just because he was popular and they were going to miss him but because he was always the one that could see past your shtick and see your deeper truer self and they were weeping and mourning what they feared was the loss of their true selves because who would ever see and access again their deeper spiritual Transcendent self if Ain wouldn't be there to sort of pull it out eek it out of us it's beautiful teaching beautiful concept okay anyways I got more ethical dilemmas but uh this was this was part two I don't know maybe it'll be a part three but uh that's what we got for tonight