Rabbi Moshe Rotberg on Chanukah

going to be we're going to last year we spoke a little bit about the true story of Hanukkah we talk about Hanukkah you know it's incredible that the only Nace the only only one of the nation that we have these actual these actual um texts not just from the Yiddish sources which we have and actually the English and sources the gamara we have we have something but it's obviously not a complete picture the Gamora is not a history book but we actually have the safety macabian which was a safer which is a we call it a storm looking China it didn't actually make it into the it didn't make it into Tana that is a market beam um Olive and peas It's safe if anybody it's uh you could you could buy them in any store any storms I'd imagine it's incredible go through the entire story and of course we have Josephus and then you see them that talks about the NASA Khan again it's incredible to me how such an such an incredible story for some reason it's never really retold the way it was and if we and if you really understand it if you go through the the true sources you really understand so much more of what hazal is talking about about the story of Hanukkah but you know we see we spoke a lot about exactly what the war looked like we spoke about that it wasn't this Army we spoke about how this sort of this guerrilla warfare that went on as the as the as the the marketing were going into the Messianic sort of like uh almost like a Vietnam type style Wharf and that's why you know but I want to start way back to understand a little bit more to understand a little bit more who is the Yvonne and what is Greece what does it represent and what this what this lar which is larger concept was we know that the plastic in Paris New York says that Hashem is going to make it beautiful for yappers at 1700 years prior to Yovan um anything happening so these before they came into existence already and because you know the terror already predicts what's going to happen in the oven and the oven is going to be this great country now I think that you need to understand that that Greece is is split up y'all gonna split up between two different tremendous cities between Sparta and Athens and these two parts of Greece represents what the Greek culture was all about you had Sparta which was a uh which was uh where all the sports took place over there it was a it was a military City everybody in Sparta they were the kids were literally they they were these were the strongest most powerful people that's where they were trained in military operations they worked out they had the gymnasiums where they would go the Gladiators that's where it started Sparta that um even more than that any child that was born that turned out not to be strong or to be physically fit they would actually take the baby or the child and they would just throw it out in the field and the child would die there they had no use for those children they did not want to ruin the gene pool they didn't want to waste their time with any kids that were not going to be able to one day be a good Spartan and then you have the other part of Athens and Athens where all the culture is coming from we're all the greatest artists music modern music starts in in Athens they they do tremendously sophisticated in so many different ways Socrates Plato Aristotle you know this is uh you know the greatest thinkers in in in in in all of history in the in the in the in the secular world is going to come from that's from from Athens that's the other part of Greece as a matter of fact the word democracy is created under the Greeks the Greeks are the ones that create the concept of democracy which actually changes the whole world which is that people have the ability to elect their leaders so this is this is you know with all that yavan we talk about the Messiah them we don't understand it's not like you know a group that came in that we understand that oh they wanted to take away which we'll talk about how that evolved but this was this was a country this was a sophisticated country This was um I'm truly uh um a a developed country in ways that no country has ever was that was able to do it and you know as the as as reviewed our lady says he says the truth is that he's speaking right about yavan that it doesn't have has flowers but there's no pre there's nothing that you could really you can't rebuild the oven there's nothing to torious these are um you know these are deep thinkers the philosophicals but they're not there's no pairing there's just it's just flowers now the the the the Greeks had a problem the Greeks had a problem that they were not really you know we we you know they were not under their own own control they were still under parath right now remember you know we still had if the if to put it so we had that they were on the on the on the on the day of age right if the if the if that was very obviously these courage we had about shetta right the famous story about shetza now that's a classic he's having a party all night and all of a sudden he sees a you know four words gets written if you ever heard the term the writing's on the wall that literally came from balchetta where they write four words and basically says you're doomed you know Paras is going to be split up and he he he's a classic I mean this guy he sees that on the wall they read it and then I was like whoa this is really bad so he did the thing he knew how to do best he went to sleep and uh he was killed in the middle of the night in a coup so it was actually a Blog was cool they didn't even after they just killed him he was the one that died and they just split up the country his servants were actually against him but Para is really really powerful country and they are in control of yavan and Johanna has a problem because the organ actually is surrounded by Hills the Warfare you know the the the B-2 bombers were not nearly as effective so so so where you lived was also a problem so right now you have this amazing amazing country the other may have Athens they're Sparta these are the strongest people in the world they're recreating Warfare they're recreating what is it what is it what is it with the physique of a human what it should what they should look like again if the child doesn't look they'll put it out let the Kid die but they do not ruin their gene pool that gene pool was good and then you had obviously Athens with all the you know you had Plato and and Aristotle and and Socrates and then this is you know so they had they had it all now there was a King Philip and that's where really it starts merging with the Jewish history was here to King Phillips and King Philip was um he was the the king of Greece and um here's the counseling they would have to pay money to Paras the same way the Jews were under the Greek and Roman um ruling over the different periods and they had to pay money to the to they have to pay taxes and all these governments didn't really care it was like you know we talk about uh you know here in America we we put our foot down old taxation that representation in those days was basically we have a big army you pass money you pass money we'll leave you alone and they were they kept paying you know tremendous taxes from um they got you got taxes that they were paid to put us King Philip gets us beautiful beautiful horse which is like a monster horse and um no one ever saw such a horse ever and they gave it to him as as a present but it was an angry angry horse and it only tried to get on the horse it actually would kill it and nobody was able to go near it and Philip decided he made a a he made like an iron a halter to hold it and um and actually anytime they wanted to kill somebody they would actually put the person in the ring with this horse and his horse would just we just we just killed him one day King Philip has a dream and the dream tells him that whoever is able whoever is able to control this horse is going to be is going to take you over and Phillip boys he understood that you heard that but he had a son he had a son Alexander and Alexander was 15 years old at the time and um he was born after many years is that she's brought that he was born through Caesarean it was like Manchester they said he had this Alexander and um they described him he had he had a here like a Mane like a lion he had huge eyes different colors one was black one was blue I mean this was uh and he was a mighty mighty person and this this Alexander walks over to this horse one day and his horse literally walks up to Alexander puts his head down and he starts riding this horse even without a saddle without anything and they understood at that point that uh that this kid his dream is coming true that this kid is going to take over the the government and he basically tells his father he says what is this thing that you're giving money to to Paras I you know I'm not giving money to Paras I got this I'm starting an army you don't we're not giving any more any any money anymore the king of Paras he sent messages to Philip he said he said no we got to get paid money so he said he was Alexander didn't said do not give him any money and he told the shluchem he says tell your kingdomish that is that if when Philip didn't have had children he says he had a he had a golden egg he said he had a chicken that was that was laying golden eggs he's able to give you money but now that he has a child the the the this this Goose this egg this chicken is not not laying any more golden eggs and I'm not giving you I'm not getting anything anymore in other words we went out to walk so this is Alexander who becomes later Alexander the Great Alexander was was it was just literally was never young was never able to break away from Paras and he takes 40 000 soldiers and he goes after and he starts fighting for us and he is gonna he's gonna he's going to become the greatest fighter the greatest General The Greatest Warrior of all time never ever to be replicated in in any sort of fashion the greatness of Alexander was going to come Alexander the Great so here's where it starts merging with Jewish history so Alexander calls from Paras [Music] at that time and he wanted the year then to come help them now he didn't always have a problem we have a problem we always get stuck in the middle on one end he didn't said that we're we're on the Paras we've been on the Paras for all the years we're not going to war against Paras we're not getting involved and the generally pretty loyal we have the same thing with politicians if you're in office and you've been good to us we're not we're not sure we're not we're not we're not rocking the boat you know for better for worse that's always been sort of at the Mantra of of of uh you know Jewish the Jewish position when it comes to politics and they said we can't really get involved so there was the kusim at the time we know we always talks about the concept because they actually went it would stay in the shamran they went to hargris them and they wanted to build the base of English there they believed that had grieza and her evil but I agree them is really weird that where where the scent of yunus kite should be and they despise the end and when Alexander the Great comes Alexander the Great thousand you know he says would you want to join us the Jews don't want to join us they will join you to fight the the fight for us but you have to give us permission to destroy the base of English you destroy the base and make this you on our team will have your back because now that no problems whatever it is I'm ready to help you now that night the the that night Alexander the Great he's on the way to shalim he goes to sleep and he has his dream and he sees a ish he sees a man with the with the with the voice of the Korean Godel sees his face and he tells it he says I want you to know he says um so the king got was terrified and he and he because because he sees this little man the bush about him he's holding up his sword to me satisfied says what why do you want to hit me he says I was supposed to come help you in all your Wars he says and that and everybody to to submit everybody to you but now that you messed with me now you're gonna die she told them he says who am I messing with he says he tells him he says he said forgive me he says he's not real that something's terrifying this he became king be over a dream and now he's having a dream this person he never saw a person that has described in a long way better he's threatening to kill him see he tells him he tells him he says I'll do whatever whatever it takes is whatever it takes he says so don't worry you're going to see me when you see me listen to me and as The Story Goes Over Alexander was going and um and as he as as he's going out he sees shimana history of the kids so this is after the porn story right through the first base in English is destroyed and here's the first place maybe should we go to gala's brother we're going to bother and then and then there's um you know at that point that's the kind of second uh is from from the Kines second place is the last one from the from and then it's gonna start another whole phase which we're gonna get with the zugos and then eventually is the coin goggle and as um as as Alexander is coming towards you shall live he jumps off his famous horse and he bows down because he sees the man he saw in the dream and he tells him and he says to tell me he's Mama she's sitting and he tells him he says these kusim he's cool sin that that want to me to destroy the base I make Dash you can do whatever you want to them he's like give you full permission and um and and he he he told them he he even even more than that they they you he isn't Taco once he took these kusimu to show him and um and and and they they hung they mama said they went to war with them they slapped them around and horses off and until they came to Hargreaves in with their base and make dishwash they came to high Greece and they destroyed the whole base their whole base in English which is interesting today you go to high gries and it's actually just be careful there's the shrimp article even even even heart able or herbra that's just you know when you get in there and everyone tells you it's safe no problem to go there it's not no problem they don't stop at red lights if it's not for nothing and if something happens you don't call the police you call the Army there so don't don't trust and end when you're driving then you're gonna get on your text message on your phone welcome welcome to Jordan or welcome to the Palestinian Authority so so just don't be careful who you go with but they actually have erected over there but but there's you know they went they they totally destroyed it so exactly the great tells shimana he says I want to be because I want to say he says I want to say her to leave something for me forever he says I want to have a big sculpture of Me by the shakadoshu because he took him into the big submission she saw how beautiful it was he was blown away I can't do it he says but I want to know that we're connected and that that there's respect for me so so he told him said that we're gonna every coin in that year that has a baby is gonna name their Baby Alexander and and that's and that's and that's and and you know that's where um and that's where the name of Alexander that comes so we know that we all have the name Alexander it's such a common name it came from there what's interesting also is that Alexander he knew he heard about Thornton he came to the coin he said she was like I want to know what's going to what's the story am I gonna win war so they told me that unfortunately we don't have over tommen anymore we don't have it he was very upset so he says to how do I know what's going to happen so the the kohanim he told me they showed him a posse in Daniel and talks about he goes through the story and at the end it says he told him that at the end of the Apostle over there that talks about the aisle he says that that that is you are that's very easy and the yogic is the aisle and you're going to destroy him you're going to trample him you'll be my slave and and so what's interesting is that people talk about you know when we talk about yoga and everybody talks about it you know obviously Alexander the Great is the one that that really turns the oven into the oven if we think about it the great and I just didn't he made different rules for the internet he made for anybody else because Alexander the Great was not uh you know he captured the entire world and he didn't capture the world and everyone says like oh he was a tremendous oh you throw because they're great he was a Hellenist I mean he was he wasn't young but he didn't make that he was upset like a spiritual leader he wasn't he started and he promoted everything else just like the rest of them and he made them and he made them have and every country had to have gymnasiums and they had to have every Sunday he had to go to uh every Sunday you had to you you weren't allowed to go to um you had to go to the what's it called um what they call it the gladiatives and yeah you had to do that he had a lot a lot of Loyals he took the stuff very very seriously but the only person he said doesn't have to do it was that was where the Jewish people so that was Alexander was was certainly was um you know so we're the the issues start coming and that's where we're gonna you know we'll we'll end up for today I mean we have a Hanukkah story really starts happening is later so Alexander at that point he was he was this this this tough this this tough fellow that nobody was really messing with him and he was the either one pretty much protected under his care the gamaras talk about you know what life was like then you know what happened was though I think it was like he's like um I think it was like 30 something years old 33 years old and I think that I think he got it seemed like he drank himself to death one night so and all of a sudden he dies his child was not he didn't even have a child the child was only born everything he died so he's going all of a sudden the leader of the whole world and he's the the mightiest person so at this point there's nobody who there's a vacuum and nobody could own the whole world the way he did and that's when the world gets split into into two groups we have the the silicos and the tomian and it's all the the leaders salikos and the talmite those are the two groups and and that's where that's where that's where the story of Hanukkah starts start starts evolving which um you know next week we we will finish up from here but I think what's important to to realize is as we're talking about next week it's it's one of the most mind-blowing stories about Hanukkah is as we're gonna see Hanukkah is so much more of a story about a war about any single War than it is about a culture as it's going to be a way of life as we can see at this point client so if we think about it there's no mahalikis in Clydesdale there's no mahalakis we agree on everything there's no such thing as a not from Jew it didn't happen there's no we're all the same We're not gonna have until I'm thinking this is tell me then buys us we're not gonna have anyone that's going off the desk the concept doesn't exist he's not a machlikas and again until soon they passed in everything after the event right then we had that chickens there's no debates Christ what we're talking about a unified front and as we're going to see about the if the if the if the right at this point for months which is an incredible thing they get to think it's an amazing thing we're gonna we're gonna translate to turn into Greek and we're going to be now the Greeks are going to get involved in Toyota is going to be respected all over the world they say and slowly that huge kitchen is going to creep it's gonna be a two-way street where the Greeks are gonna end up in America in the in the Yiddish culture as well and slowly it's going to fall apart and hanukkah's story so much less about a war than it is about our culture totally getting destroyed and then the rebirth of quiet so as far as what we were facing almost complete Annihilation as far as our that's our culture give this guy everything so so mits Hashem next week we will we will finish up you know you know the the the the next part of this but um I think we have to try to remember a little bit we talk about Denise Hanukkah and says a little bit more that there's a lot more to this and especially as if anybody wants you know it's it's not safe in Market beam if the two volumes or Josephus like people say where do you get this stuff from it's all there I mean this is all literally it's not even a stretch I mean this is like it's even a tons of secular sources on this you know this is something which is uh is readily available we should all be there though to uh to really try you know to think about you know obviously we have the the the the Mitch's the the very important mixes and the Hanukkah parties which is great it's it's Mom's we're doing exactly what it's supposed to be but but we don't even really honestly take on one thing over Hanukkah just to take something to internalize something I mean Shiva is to say that the volume one you know they try to mount Terror and then we're moving I'm just saying take on something try to understand take learn something extra do something this was Mama this is going to see next week this was the time where clientele is really we're gonna we're gonna save ourselves should help him we'll be mom Chef next week on this topic