Rabbi Moshe Rotberg on Carrying Your Gun on Shabbos - The Lakewood Scoop

so I was asked to give a quick synopsis on the Halas of taking um carrying a gun on shabas um people have fears about different things they heard in the news so I was asked if I could just give a quick synopsis on it so the first thing I want to just point out is that we're only going to be talking about the actual part we're not going to discuss the hash part nor will we talk about saf concerns and things like that which all have to be considered as well we're going talk strictly about carrying a weapon on chabas taking a weapon to shul um the other thing I want to point out is that although there's some people are quite frightened by the news they heard that there's some alleged um request by terrorists to carry out attacks just want to point out that some sometimes the mass hysteria is unwarranted especially when local officials who I've been in touch with have indicated that there is no credible threats so this actually makes a very big difference in Hala so we're going to focus on two separate questions when it comes to carrying a weapon on chabas question number one is whether or not a weapon is M or not if for M question number two is whether you're allow to carry it outside of an there's a third question whether you're allowed to bring it to schul as well so as far as the M status of a of a gun so there's basically three schools of thought there is a school of thought that suggests that being that the primary purpose of a gun is actually not to shoot it in the majority of cases the actual presence of a weapon is enough of a deterrent and that's primarily what it's used for so therefore would be considered the primary use or even an equal use or a very significant use of a gun it's just for the deterrent therefore it's not even uh CLE which is intended to be used for a prohibited manner so therefore itn't even be a and others suggest that others like maintain that it is a that a status no different than a hammer which its usage is for something which is user in that case um if a person feels that he needs it for protection so then like any other M item it'd be you'd be allowed to move it um so if you need the actual gun because you believe you need it for protection or something like that then you'd be allowed to move it you'd be allowed to you'd be allowed to wear it and if you sit down and turn un comfortable you'd be able to take it off a lesser known sh is that a gun may be a May beiss Since generally has a designated area where a person keeps it doesn't allow people to touch it will not use it for anything else but for its purpose although many many Pim say that this is not the case that a person is not very particular with his weap obviously because of safety is but there's no safety concerns he would use it for something else it's not fragile it's not something which is incredibly expensive that a person is very careful with it due to the expense of it therefore it's not so um you know while not entirely sure that this should be dismissed it seems like most poim um maintain that's either or it's um regardless of that a person would be allowed to carry a weapon from a m status from a m standpoint so long as it's um from You' be allowed to move it so long as it's because a person feels he needs it for protection um and therefore he's carrying it or it's making him uncomfortable and he sits down or something like that however a person would not be able to move it what's called let's say someone forgot it somewhere and just wants to move it that it doesn't get lost he would not be able to do it he would not be able to move it obviously if it's in a place where child may get where some may get to it obviously because of danger person should obviously move it then but do it with a Shinu so that um because that would not be a so someone for example left it on his table and now he realizes it doesn't want to forget it there and it's not because he needs it he just doesn't wanted to be over there that would be more of an issue where a person should carried out with the shin if there's an issue of safety so that's the as far as Mo is concerned with regards to heard many people encouraging that people should carry it even out of an AR now for that they suggest that maybe it's a t it's a status symbol to carry a weapon this is something which many including rejected and stay that something which is something for is not considered a if he would not be able to carry it out of an those that say that if it's part of a uniform then it is if it's not part of a uniform then then then um it's not AIT however most people that are wearing carrying a concealed weapon it's um have to assume that it's not a t and therefore you cannot go out of an a with it so then the question becomes is it and is it something that a person would be allowed to carry just like members can carry a radio even if you assume that a radio is not a even says it is but even if you can assume that radio is not a because of you'd be allowed to carry it and even though the member does not have in the moment just potentially may have it they call that still because it's common place for to happen so therefore they'd be allowed to carry theel radios it's very very hard I believe in this environment to and should help should always remain that way to allow somebody that that reaches to a situation that it's such danger to take it out of an AR I I don't think it it comes to that point and I don't see why that would be motor in this case even more if anyone believed that truly was a suffix Sakana they should be staying home should not be going to sh someone really maintains that there's such a clear and present danger person wouldn't have a to go to sh may even be a to go to sh I'm not suggesting people don't go to sh because they don't think there's a clear and present danger not me but the authorities are are are are saying that quite clearly should help and protect us as far as taking a weapon into sh there's a question with regards to taking a sword came about whether it's the whole is to take is it only a sword which is very large or a knife which is small as M they those that m a concealed weapon which is covered which is not seen that that would be M as well so in short carrying a weapon on chabas from the status of M certainly a person would be able to carry a weapon if he's concerned about his safety and therefore is taking it certainly he's ACC to You' be allowed to car a weapon to carry ad of and arv is um is it would have to be really a clear and present danger that there's a that there's actual an actual danger which is present which um in in in this environment you know don't think we're we're we're dealing with such a situation and we never should deal with it so to carry it outside of an air would be a very rear allowance for to allow someone to do it and taking it into Sho as long as it's concealed it would be it would be M however if someone does have a weapon in a Sho I think it's uh the the you know he has to be sure it certainly be The Prudent thing to make sure that the r the gab there people that know about it um and not just take it upon himself to do that in no way am I suggesting that people should carry weapons no way am am I suggesting people should buy weapons or that we need weapons I'm not discussing any of that just I was asked that uh since many people are reaching out to find out what's the because they are concerned because they want to know about carrying their weapons so that only responding to that aspect of it not to anything else which is a much broader conversation and uh most likely I'd be on my pay grade to answer those questions but certainly with regards to these topics I think this is the basic synopsis from the Pim obviously if anyone has a specific question he should always be asking thereof but here is the basic outline should help the shall should never even be considered should never even have the fear to even have to ask any such 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