Rabbi Meir Simcha 100th Yahrtzeit (Part 2)

Dr. Alzar brat. We are here for part two of the miniseries on Simka Hakayen. Thank you to our generous sponsors who have dedicated these episodes. Part one we discussed some of the and sources that talk about Romero Simka a little bit of his early childhood a little bit but mainly about his Rabanos and Vinsk. Now we're going to transition a little bit more to some of his and today's episode is primarily going to be focused around the without further ado. Rabbi Dr. >> Okay. So, we hope to talk about maybe a little bit of we'll see as time allows. As you said, Chabas is coming faster than we realize over here. Okay. So, now at the end of the last episode, I said a second famous notypical story relating to Rome Simka. We spoke about a the miracle saving the Vince from the water over flooding it. And then I said very fast a story that's famous from Stein who published it when he published Kbar on Kachum. So the story basically was I just said it too fast. I just wanted to just read the lush. It's not for and the point was that it was already known three four it was already publicized in an article in Han three four years after died and probably with time we'll be able to find the exact source of this story but the point was he was sitting in front of some and he said he related a dream that he had that the Rajba was sitting in Shamayim and and talking and learning and said that someone defended me in the Vince pretty much and that was the point that Rome Simka got this majoriz of his based on the which was published in based on the and to defend the rajba. So the rajayim was very to freed them from this mah. So and he had this in a dream and he said this over publicly. Okay. Anyway the point is that there were so much said about and trying to to bring out after he died and the various espay from different people that knew him. So just to quote two lashes and two pieces which will help us get into what we want to talk about today. Number one is there was a hespid from this was a hespid from Raim Kakovski who was aum the mag of Vilna and a lot there's a whole nice chapter about all about him can be found in Kamnitki's volume two oner. So basically he got up in vna one of the that he was given and it says according to the that brings down in his book on basically was sitting there and others and basically he said like this there there are different types of was given different there's there's some that are bigger experts in tisim there are others in there are others that even have sephosim there's all types others and there's different that different people have. Some of some of them have some have the some are great they become known as a special expert in different areas. Some in others in which is very all different aspects. is the famous which is there's aim but there's all types of and over the years when people talk about different we say this one has this one has this fine and which is better but is not all these things are discussions that are fond of hashing out who's bigger who's better but the point was He had it that they had. And then he says a very important line that he was bigger, much bigger than his if someone had the opportunity to speak to him and learning which sometimes is safe could even be bigger. But tells when one sees this for one sees that this was a remarkable work with with everything. So this was a that he said in this was a person that we'll see momentarily. He was expert in Rambam. So if he's saying this about he's a he's a mand. Okay. Now there's one hid that gets quoted a lot but it's never I don't know if it's Kimat never is it quoted who he was. As a matter of fact the first time he published it he published he publishes it and he signs off the initials Yudra. So this was published shortly after was nif in the journalian sharian and it turns out yudra was ybi and he was a talmud of simka it seems he hung out by simka he was near the and part of the significance was he I think is a brother-in-law of cook tremendous he ends up in a very special and he publishes about he dies and he doesn't write his name but later on it comes out that it's his name and he says the following He says this statement that many many articles and I said basically all the in the newspapers over the years whenever it comes around always you could always find different articles. So they say the following statement about what hold said as follows the he was saying over what he heard from. Now the point that this person was saying is that when someone's familiar with we understand this was mim for he was someone that also was crazy into not only was he into he was his own original person he was expert in which a lot of times you find which we'll see we're going to talk a little bit about the raach his his friend and the fellow rains he never really looked at Kamat didn't look at but the point was he was able to take from all the and then still remain original so he took he gained He quotes plenty of some names will mention but that was he was through all this he was able to retain his being original that was of he goes on and he says something also that told him that he has many many different to explain in complicated suggest but they will be they were that the were handling but he didn't want to go against so he didn't bother to publish it but he said in the suggest it was much easier because there was not too much there's not too material from and the like. So he there he had he could say what he wants because he's not going against any anything else. So he takas put a lot of effort in the areas of shalomi as we'll discuss and has been discussed many times in the various espadim of his and when one learns you see all the time. Now he had this remarkable that everyone knows. So he said he he talks about that also and he says also another important point which we I think touched on this a little bit in the episode we gave way back in with that he had something similar to the which was that he was able to take things from and then build off them remarkable stuff and we'll see where that and where that goes today a little bit also. But the point is that this this is what this yid who knew him very well tremendous he says now then he brings down that when came out many people were not in his fold where's the guess of this is the this is the yid that you're talking about this and he says the was that wrote very very to the point now it's interesting because a lot of times when you learn you learn through you'll see sometimes he's and he's not only he goes off into and he's weighing and all the different things are happening in our but as a whole it's interesting is that that the point was he didn't want to say everything he was holding back sort of he didn't say everything that he had and one of the places I saw I think that he said not everything that you say he's gave over a lot of material in the let's say he has a good in the shi and he brings it and he goes even further than where it's gave him in but then he has a bunch more things that he could do he stopped there was a he he's sort of like he's holding himself falls back. Okay. Anyway, but the point was you saw remarkable which we'll also mention a little bit more soon which is in all the midrashim philosophies and we'll see one particular piece incredible about this. You see his all this is when you're learning the this is what this helmet of his said the kiter eventually eventually becomes known but it's interesting this is writing this as in the he says from the three volumes of the it was not that he got the proper enough that he should have from it why he says very simple he wrote very and a lot of that wrote they wrote much more and people find it much easier to read other and you have to work on it too hard. But he says those that sat and learned from at the end they realized they got their money's worth from being and learning the simka. He says he did get did get many which he sometimes respond to or not and that is a different story. Okay. Anyway, bottom line is that this was another and this gives us a little bit insight into also but this is from a firsthand person that knew him. this he had um rebi I think his name I think his name was and he was as I said a brother-in-law of fat now let's discuss a little bit about and along the way some other aspects and and as follows why does choose to write his safe to basically he we now know that he wrote about kakula sadly which we might get to talk about he left behind tons of him most of it got destroyed some of it's discovered how it's discovered we'll maybe talk about a a little bit but the point is what does he publish the which is on the Ramb why did he choose the Rambam he should have just written a parish on especially a lot of times when you're learning the in particular you'll see that it's more on there's no introduction so we cannot really come up with why he choos also his especially I've mentioned many times certain especially in the early times I I quoted a bunch of times the ram the say in the beginning of We're not to have such a thing from so we have to see what we could learn when we learn through the if we could pick pick up some answers to these questions. So one question which is asked is wasl which is coming he's a he's a pure litfac they write perush so we today could say oh what do you mean who's his contemporary comes out after he dies so that's not a good example people from contemporaries of his we just were talking about kovski he was also working on the ra big time sadly only on rama mada survives another remarkable work we know altzar so but that but But the question is earlier on earlier than let's say where let's say whenever he starts to work on it do we find so it's not clear there's a yid that wrote incredible amounts over the years on the raam yak of dins dig and he has some he lists out some different that were in the literatur okay but the point is that even with when you do see all the different works he's still he's at the end of the day when you take the whole work you see he's doing remarkable stuff that are not found that's not found elsewhere some of which we'll highlight today. Now, one thing which already reverses quoted in the first episode, he fell in love with the Ra and you could see that from numerous time after time again that he that he he literally misham was beyond just due to time. I'm just going to quote three threeus number one he says in the middle of a conversation and he goes on to talk to explain something this is in find then a different place he says let me just read two other he's explain He's justifying why he was so in this I I basically it's it's so his words and he was so kadesh and so I have to be to explain him and everything and one last is the and he's talking whatever the ra changes it and he goes on to explain the raam about this pride so it gets he fell in love with the raom it's in also you see he's in he's fell in love with the Rambam and it's just it's not just the Ram as we'll point out shortly fine now another thing is that a goal which many work on when they're writing about the Rambam is to understand the makyus of the Rambam so now this is a question and today we'll just talk about it very briefly we have touched upon this in one of our earliest episodes of our Kyvski and here we'll also just touch on just a dropouts what does it mean that he needs to write to look and search for the of the Rambam. What does it even mean? So is a chuva and many times and I've said this over to people they don't believe that it's it's real when they see it and it's real has published it also and the chuva is like this someone of the raam he comes to ask the rambom about a raam in and he says where did he get this from? He says to the rambom. So Ram says I either got it from in Makus or San Hedrin where it talks about the So the Talmud says I looked everywhere and didn't and I couldn't find the source. Where's the gar that you got this from? So the Ram says maybe it's in the So says I looked and I did not find it in the US and not even okay the Ram starts thinking and he says I think it was in a suggest took out a Git and he couldn't find it. The Kitser he couldn't remember. Later on did remember where it was and and the Ram said that if look what's happening that even me the forgot sources of what I wrote a reader later on is not going to be able to find the sources so easily and they say the Ram was always planning on writing a to be mafarish's makus where he what was his sources based on when he where he wrote the work okay now this is a whole long schmoo in the world of the Rambam what was his original intention what was he going to change and that's not for today but anyway So the point is from when the Ram wrote his work people were always trying to understand what we was the makar for the Ram or was the Ram did he have a new gang in understanding a particular which sometimes that's the case so is one such person who's doing it now so question was is what was the story what was this that the might and it turns out it was a sug ink was spilled to figure out the raam is different people different places traced it I actually wrote about this one time many years ago in a small work of mine called since then I found many many different more sources about it and just to say two tidbits about it in tying it to number one is that there was a journal someone prints this Rambam and says what is this this person wants to know and this is how they used to do it they would publish a piece in a journal or a newspaper and they would hope that someone would respond does depending on who know the source of this ra today you do you have google claude whatever you want so it's much easier but that was in the olden days so kiter the the it was published lash in one of the places was in this journal called he says I was talking to the in the summer the shows him exactly where the raam was what I was talking about okay so the so the says over that this was a that theor got from his when he was getting when he was going out with his wife he asked in this Rambam and the point was this is a way to see if he taken nose and he told him which was this where was the sug that the Ram was referring to etc was very fond of the story and he would also say it over in the name that was asked at at this and and like everything else there's all different about the story and everything but that's not for but the point is that what I'm trying to bring out already is is that already the Ram was asked by of his the became a one of the nudas that Rambam for generations is to search for kyus. Okay. So one search one point is there is the us and you see already the talmud says the tal and the ram they're handling is oh you looked in the so the is a prime source for material for the and just to show one thing in episodes that we did not yet release but we already recorded was relating to the controversy. So this controversy one of the relates to the ra the ra says something and the question is where did the ra get it from? So in the course of the conversation the bbach writes he asked all different people where does the raman get it from we know the raam he gets things from the and other and other places. So the point is we are it's not it's not it's not pure where's the makar for the ram. So where is the ram source? So this the bottom line is this is what came out from this. So, so and also and many others that was one of the that they would use for help them to understand of the thought and he says okay now obviously there's a lot more to discuss over here what happens if you have a anytime does the ramen go da like that's its own conversation there's a lot a lot to discuss but this is not the point in this in these particular episode just to touch on different but the point is took it to a whole different level now so so number one is that I'm claiming is which everyone claims notes is using for many it's fine but now what happens is when you learn and you even learn you see that it's clear that was a fascination by sim mentions it this other that we just quoted in his usual in hispid it's a it's a known thing so the question is where did this come from this so much to be Isaac in the US and this is a question which always it's it's not so simple how when you to figure out the influence so to speak where it comes from and different people have different hypotheses and the answer seems to be to me very posit one learns through both and you see the GR school tremendous influence on him the gr the literature world that he came from that they were very into even in Aishak where he spends a few years and the Misha Rebinsky who in the previous episode I said there was only one mccar that ties him to be possibly the rebi of Simka. So just now I had I located a newspaper in the newspapers that was published literally the day after he was nif in Rio and over there in Yiddesh this was thanks to the effort of my dear friend Mishitzer we it says there already tying him to this balisha the shinsky was the ofatka later on now what's the significance is when you open up you see him also using a lot so it's not the world that he came from the litfish world this is what they were in Aisha the the which is the head of the his rabbi was anyone learns also sees this it's not such a that he's going to be in it the point is what he was able to do with it he became a nifla in it he wrote on it all over and some of the were even published in the in the vill and without getting into the whole story about this but the pulmas the famous forgery of the shalomi kachim ror is one of the earliest people that smells pulls out that it's a forgery based on he was one of the world experts of your and he notices it and in the early letters of already he says it's a forgery and whatever reasons and the whole story behind it that's its own episode or a few episodes and a lot of people have spoken about it and written about it in recent years now but it's not only that it's so so so point is is a literature thing but simi he goes and say they're everywhere is everywhere so much so that one of the I think I quoted earlier already says it should take a just of all the how systematically goes through and you could see a lot with that. But next thing is and he says you could see a lot the a lot going on with it. He uses which is again something I will link it right back to the to the and everything like that fine he uses that to bear a lot is that common that's also a question that needs to be answered and we see this also when one learns tons of times all of a sudden you a whole piece of bearish also plays out over the thought another thing that he uses which it could be that he takes a further but the his massive mash he uses to answer ups whether it's from all different things. And you see that he's able to use it at will whenever he needs to. He could just pull it out of his hat. We're not talking about that is, you know, he goes, "Claude, could you find me the for this Rambam from this medish, whatever whatever he needed, he he knew you you even in a way someone might even say that gets depressing because you could see this is just like it's crazy." But the answer is, and this is a fundamental mistake that people make, this is based on a yid that sat and learned 18 hours a day for years and years and years. Even when it became a RV and he was an accessible RV, all accounts say that he was always learning. He was always hoping to safer. He stopped. He gave the person attention. He spoke, he gave them, people would come to cry by him, everything. And we'll see more about that as time goes on. But the point is at the same time, he was so into learning. And that's how it was. because it wasn't shot that it just came you know Malik came and gave him all this information he plugged away and this is how he got anyway bottom line is all these things you could link it back to the to the base me just he's using it for the Rambam that I think is unique although I cannot say 100% right now this is a work ongoing with Rome but anyway another pro that you find with him in general is we keep on saying he fell in love with the Rambam what does that mean it means is not only is he being everywhere in the Rambam and I could sit and give 20 different lashes just by opening up for 10 minutes and see he and he's not only is he concerned with comparing all different this is another fascinating thing he's a massive expert and he tells two different showing how this plays out understand it okay now there are that on this level also we seeing this as a matter of fact there always is a complaint that there still is such a complaint that different people say there's a ram for the yeshivvel they like And then there's the and a lot of people hold it's two different and very rarely is there and all of a sudden when you start learning what's the cash on this whole thing everyone knows was unbelievable they quote over said I don't know the source for was fascinated with with withhl his son-in-law actually end up wrote writing a book based off Raber quoting Raber a lot but also stories over that he had Messiah of but bottom line is that it seems in he learned to okay now but the point is that when you see him how he's using to bearish aus even in in also in when he's coming to and in his own he's using now it's not anyone learns in the system you never see now it happens to be in the past 1015 years there's a much more of a revival in the limit of worldwide And why that is is not for today but there is such a thing. The question always is is where the get this for for for so could we link it back to anything you say I don't know maybe they were learning it the the over there I don't know the question always is what was the this is a conversation which is not for today but again this has a beautiful article about this and I'll just throw out there two things there was a tremendous tremendous his name was and this for part of his life he was um the mag of slanim now mag and those didn't mean just he was a good speaker and gave good speeches this yid wrote massive works on raam tyrus and it's yda one of the they say over that had on his table for those people that and I once made a joke that the had a big table and must have been a lot of on the table but even if not by the those that know mish were in a spell from him and one of the things is when you learn through his and his you see he was expert in it. Similarly, I'll just throw out there one other thing. the Ram gave Shirim way way back in his to his maybe it was to a few maybe it was elite but anyway it's not such a big thing to find it's not so common to find we see his many times he's bring he is using now it's funny is like this that there's a like everything else a thing become something becomes a they do a fancy job on a so a few years ago I came across that aid and benra I believe it was did an incred Incredible, incredible job. I only bought one volume on Rama. That volume is this fat giant. We're talking about it's over 900 pages. He's everything about the ra what? Because eventually although said that was not as didn't penetrate the world but eventually it seems to have yes penetrated the yeshiva world exactly mapping out when what is not for today but bottom line is it happens. So this yid collects tons of information. Unbelievable. But the ra with a parish with aim or when the where goes off with he almost has nothing to say. It's funny you know because in the world it's this is the of the and even of that they spend time on but as I said there is been a shift. People are much more fascinated with the murder of in recent years. So they have been getting to that. Okay. Anyway bottom line is to discuss just a few more points. What's interesting and because of time I'll discuss it more in the part three but he what's fascinating to me also and others have pointed this out is he's in the vinsk we mentioned that he has ains of the who's that the also his obsession is the his obsession is also and we have we have so you see it's something fascinating there was no yeshiva in there weren't in there but the two probably in the past who knows how many years giants of Ram scholars so to speak with them crazy and was den and they knew each other we have no indication that one influenced the other and we'll we'll we'll leave it at that we'll talk more about that about their connection but anyway the question but the point is why I still don't have an answer why does he choose to write as opposed to writing a parish like I don't know but he does have tons of kadushim and in A lot of times you'll see okay we're going to talk about this in this and then he has a whole thing this is I'm taking from my notebook on or my notebook on okay now he's a pisik he's a r he's a pis he's getting chas from all over sometimes there's a few chu that he left inside why those he chose to leave in also it needs explanation I I don't um have a good answer I don't okay now but okay so now up till now we mentioned the different nudes with the simra and everything for and the question is does he take this even further and the answer is that He takes this even further and this is the following points is like this. He has this crazy bikus. Everyone says this and we learned a bunch of pages in you see this. He's using to answer up bunch of times not so common riff remash the ram is a of the fatherash that's another way how to understand the ram. So one of the times he writes it makes sense to answer the ram. Now just to throw out there just to have again not to go into the whole story but point is that it's known that who was in the base medish of Salashkanazi the one of the things was they sat and learned Rambam crazy and we have different copies of the Rambam with the of Salashkazi and his possibly even in these in some of these Rambams. So there's a fellow his name is Ra Mandel and he every time he makes a sim he publishes a volume of some of the rear credible manuscripts every time I open up the volume I just sit in for an hour of the manuscripts that he owns and he publishes a manuscript that he has of some pages of the Rambam with the on the side of Gazi and possibly the so they're busy handling already back then mus of the of the Rambam the mish right also the same kufa so one thing is he goes oh this So they already knew this makuda but it's not so common to do this to to to to be using this vast literature who does okay materials of his have been discovered today we we know that the Ali is now working on after their success with which we gave a whole episode about so they're working on now hopefully we'll be seeing new materials of ra and whatever a lot of materials that has been published will be redone but the point is ra also tal by his father Who uses this material mayor? So this we devoted in the episodes of season two all discussion about this who uses. So everyone learns at one point in your life you come across a few times brings down from those same things that is using and he uses it to be again we're seeing the new play out very important for in answering up the but there's another which links back to this with that I said from this tal of his that he said that had the same ability as the which was to be able take out from and build off it. So this had he found these and he was able to do it of sugius and everything at the time they found the ink's time they published for the first time the he had letters which was relating to in the controversy with the ra important important letters for those that are in the raises it a bunch of times in his ra in his so you see again and again he's using the new materials but then it goes even further he uses sometimes from an from the ram what's known as mandal based on manuscripts he uses from a few times. So you see he's using manuscript material. Now we have to say and this needs explanation and this fact it does not mean that you're going to see every page oh saying okay he can answer based on a manuscript. No, but the point is he's doing everything you're seeing a person whether it's his own originality and sometimes with his smelled doubt that this is a problem and turns out a lot of times he was right whether it was with whether it's with Rambam whether it's with now I'm just going to throw out a letter because this show sheds light that was known much earlier than people realize there's a almost completely forgotten about his name is Rabanovich and he was obsessed with the ra andem just to throw out there I hope to publish all the materials I was able to locate of this and a safer I'm working on it should be coming out in the next few months and one of the things that this was was concerned with was he was aid a tremendous he wanted to he was working on the raam okay so in 1885 this means it's before anything he writes to so means name got out there as a tremendous nothing's published At this point in time he's not a he knows oh you're in the Rambam and he writes to him this was into the Ram to look for the Ram the Ram different things so he writes to the better writes him a letter and again andal and differentness and says yeah I I tackle I noticed over here there's a problem with the ra etc etc mean say and but the point was it wasn't that this is the only way not to just okay spend time looking at manuscript that's the only way you had to be as the famous story goes In the yeshiva they say the that whoever the god you could put into the story comes up to shayim and says ram I spent my whole life working on you but I have three rams I don't know could you tell me them ra says that one's aut that one's this one's a different and the person slaps the ram across the face and says this is how you answer based on the answer is I'm not coming to say oh or even this that's this is aud to be aware of there's different tools out there but But this shows also that he was hea was known much earlier in the 1880 early 1880s. Okay. Anyway, so so he's bringing to the table tons of nudes through different rishim and and the like. So the question is does this come from anywhere? And the answer is nimra his uncle. I already spoke out in the previous episode that the there was a safer that came out in the and volume two comes out in 1880s from his uncle and is a literatur also learned also has to do with the the all the different and he also you see him writing letters to and using manuscripts and everything a whole story one day will tell the whole story but the point is you see that there were interested in manuscripts and using them Here we seek, we see his uncle and we see this is that is not unique also has a tie in. Okay. Anyway, bottom line is not only does he use the he's expert the he uses tons but tons of you never would expect you see them all the time. Okay. just just to say two with him his thing and is number one is unbelievable comes across the lumis there's many pieces that one could throw out to discuss one piece that I I just I have no clue to understand it out of I don't I'm sure some people could but it's unbelievable what's happening there in Ramuva he has a massive and in this piece just to throw out there what he talks about he has he shows off not shows off he shows his incredible knowledge whether it's inab whether it's in philosophy but not okay yeah we see that which he calls he talks about gil and then he again you see his love for the at one point he says and then we'll get to discussing one pratt with the with the is fouls. He quotes many many different by name and sometimes he doesn't. So there's one name not one there's many but just one quick story is I'm coming across he says somewhere in he says we're all that they had based on who who's and every once in a while it gets very curious who are these people that he doesn't say the names to and so as I mentioned there's this hush of a fat job and just on it's 900 pages and he did a few more volumes so there he sometimes tries to figure it out and sometimes there's ways to figure it But over here is a of that wrote on the side of his. So over there he writes in the he says it's so what's that he doesn't say was in the time of the answer is this has to do with again this is that they say overk had a tremendous tragedy which was that he had a daughter and the daughter even gets married and eventually it seems that she mental illness and she comes back home to live with him and bottom line is that Simka has been quoted to say that he felt that the reason why this tremendous tremendous happened to him was because he said that I bothered too much. Now what that exactly means we don't know but this is what I've heard from more than one source at the time that they say you know Romeo was simp that okay he was this you know what whatever however tyrish you want to take and turn into it that a lot of times sadly people go much further now normally I would not say the next pro but I feel that sometimes it it it needs to be said I'm not going to make a big deal about it but just to say there's different about said many times so it's interesting thing is there was a yid that to know and correspond with he ends up in America. So he also had to do with the rocket chover. So he writes a hespit about the rocket chover and in the hespit he's huddling back and forth the whole time. What's the difference between Simha and the rag cho? Because as I said they're just like now between me and you no one really could talk about these two people because they're just like such giants. They're like so off the charts. They know everything. What's the difference? And people this person was Adam tries to in the course of the whole thing. He says he says many different fascinating things but one fascinating thing is I don't want to mess it up so let me see if I can have the exact Russian that's the problem when you have too many papers you lose it. Yeah. So he's talking about he says Loyolenu Romero Simkha had this tragedy his daughter she she um after she marries this her husband and Rome Simka took it very hard he says that Ram Simka at one point she took a knife to Simkha to and he was somehow saved. He says this in a hpid that he gave when he's talking about this. Now it's fascinating is when you see about one of the many spade say this but not only has when you read a lot of the stories he was always say a lot of times people portray he wants to learn don't bug me just get out of my life you ask a question and move on was his name and he acted like that there's even pieces like this in which it's clear it's autobiographical and when you see all the different things he had this he had one kid the kid gets finally gets married it's its own story but a lot of times we don't always know the stories behind it but here buried in this hespid I come across it's a publish was published this is actually a journalist coming out from New York in the 1930s he gave it on sim but but he says fascinating things about both of them which some of them we'll talk about but he says and unbelievable makuda to just throw out there tragedy and he just he kept on going and remained okay anyway these are just some of the aspects of as time is very short is very is very short in the Next episode we will talk about some aspects of the meshma and some other aspects as promised. As you as you could see, originally we thought we can do one or two episode. Thanks to sponsors, we're able to do three. Must we could do many many more, but we have to have mercy. And next episode, we'll continue with the story with >> Okay. Wow. Fascinating. Rabbi Haravazzar and digging up digging up. You want to just tell the audience what the name of that gudul is? Who was writing? I will next I I plan on next time because I'm going to talk about the last but I will give more background who he was >> and and what's the story behind him um in the next episode. I have to get people to come back to hear the next episode. >> Absolutely. That that is your teaser. Stay tuned. Yeah.