Rabbi hates on breathwork, therapists, and psychedelic healing

Welcome back to another episode of the Clappy and Frank Show. Thank you our viewers for watching every week. Sign up, subscribe. We have with us today the world famous Rabbi Shia. Is it the vice president of the National Committee for Furtherance of Jewish Education and another 25 mistas Campamuna and many other organizations, Toys for Children. Today's episode is brought to you by Flams. Welcome Flams to the Clappy and Frank show. Flams is a Jewish kosher brand in the frozen food section, refrigerated section since 1918. It's a wonderful brand of beautiful kosher food. We're brought to you by Kahhat Publication Society. We're brought to you by Wheels to Lease. And we're brought to you by CH Butcher. Rabbi Hea is known for many things, but he's extremely famous for being the rabbi of cult busting. Mosh, could you pass me that book? Yeah. Jewish cult busters. He wrote a top-selling book, Jewish Cult Posters with the iconic red yamaka. Is Kabar a cult in your opinion? Well, being first of all, it's great to be here. Thank you guys for inviting me. Um, first of all, I always have said publicly just because it's a cult, it's not necessarily negative. There can be a power of a cult. You can have a cult from Kipusa which means just using the cult word on its own does not make it tra and therefore we can say yeah labavich is a cult but when we really get down to it to understand what a cult >> well cult has a negative connotation usually right >> it's used in a negative connotation because in fact most cults are negative they uh do use mind control uh games which sometimes as parents we do that too with our beautiful little kind that we take. Sometimes teachers do it. Well, others would say any advertisement is somewhat trying to get your mind. We want you to buy my product. No, it's more than that. >> In essence, particularly dealing with and we're not going to talk today about the cult. You have to invite me another time to talk about all my book and all the different cases. But recently that gave me a moment of notoriety was the lear cult which I call the leto cult. >> And one of the things that I used in a like in one sound bite a cult takes away your it takes away your free choice. One thing we know does definitely does not take away your in fact we put so many things on the plate. You may have a difficulty in what you're going to choose. But there clearly there are so many different within kabad. So many for instance if you were going to give a thousand dollars to a kabad institution how many different institutions you have. You have five >> only. That's it. [laughter] >> Thank you. I'm happy we we we made that clear. No 5,000 different institutions. The same thing is with so many different we're now in the days of counting the sur. So every single day is made up of seven different times. So it's and and each one is in detailed and when we study and when we get down to understand and even the when we say or well sometimes we talk about one Reb different from the other. How did the Reb what was how did the Reb stand out versus the six p preceding Rebes etc. So therefore we say right away there are differences and therefore uh the word cult does not really the way way we use it does not match at all with >> saying if you lose your freedom then it's a negative cult. >> Yes. If the if the cult is designed to take away your freedom uh and fully control you many different ways uh from money to other areas of of your life then that is a dangerous cult >> because I see all the successful well-known companies are very cultlike like Apple Google if you talk to the people there it's very like Amazon's very tightly controlled le Elon Musk you make one move you're out you're this you're working 20 gazillion hours overtime. So there's a lot I would almost I would venture to say that the most successful companies look like cults. >> I I would say yes to that. And the fact is that um there is a part of the cult which is when we or I should say there's the part to businesses that are sales and in sales the cultlike energy is a very very successful we're working for the team. there is no I in team and stuff to that effect that we're working towards uh somewhat let's say a higher goal which in religious cult we'll talk about you know working for God or working for the cult leader etc. So yes, there that's why I tell people when people ask a question, uh, is Kabad a cult or a particular cult? I look at them and I say, this person simply does not know what they're asking. They don't know what the word cult means. They have really no understanding. >> I think cult's a old word. It's like from the 70s and 80s. Still not >> Oh, yeah. I'm not sure it was around before, but >> it was a hot a hot like topic >> in the 1970s and 1980s. Yes. There wasn't a day that our office did not get a did not get a call. And again, we're going to leave another program to talk about all the various different cults, particularly Eastern religion cults, which right now when we mention Eastern religion, much of the breath work that's out there is based on Eastern religions. >> Just let me interrupt for one second. That was my next question. 10 years ago, I called you up and I asked you to come speak in my show about Call of the Shifer. Six, seven years ago, I asked you to come down to my shaw and to speak about mic drop and it was really popular and both times you were very passionate and you had very clear opinions and that's how I addressed all my followers at the time my following on social media I took your advice and guided people based on that. My next question was what is going on now that anytime I scroll on social media, YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, all I hear about is breath work. Could you explain to the crowds what it is and if they should be aware of it and if it's dangerous or what's your opinion? told me they have breath work things in his building and when he heard breath work it sounds like some silent quiet and meanwhile they're screaming yelling so I don't want to think about it but it's not as marketed it's not as promised >> I do breath work because don't you breathe every minute a few times >> yes I'm saying that's why people ask me are you for breath work I I am for breathing it's a very good idea to continue breathing for at least 120 years and beyond >> what is it and what's your opinion on it >> well first of all we have to again differentiate to make up differences between many of these places. The first problem when we talk about breath work being that when you Google the word breath work it'll come up with sources and uh origin of eastern religion particularly Buddhism. Therefore, there are many raonim including the babach raonim that puscin you're not allowed to do any form of breath work simply because it is associated with a word with a name with a title of something that is associated with a zora which when the rebba spoke in 1979 at the yud's faban the fifth and he spoke about it he spoke about a desor which basically though even arch has a difficulty in translating the word but being that it's something that can lead to therefore we have to be super cautious and one of the answers that I've circled to circulated to the rabbon recently the reb writes to Rabbi Landau in Ben he says being that you're dealing with >> right and therefore you have to understand that you're talking how strict you have to be other things we go we can say you know there are many different ways but when you're dealing with something like a so how the question is do you want to do something that is associated ask can you just tell us what it is you're going through very difficult >> just finish the sentence people say he doesn't finish the sentence >> I know it's fine I just >> how do you know if people say about me it's good >> no about he doesn't finish doesn't let you finish the sentence >> people say no the the finishing sentence is that would you do something that can lead to or can be associated with or could be matched to to idol worship or Buddhism which is definitely from all the cults that is one of the cults that's avoid they actually >> they just breathed you just >> so again breath work >> yeah what does it mean >> can be easy thing working with your breathing now there is like >> so when do you cross the line when's the issues >> well there is the gashmiestica >> exercise of breathing, >> right? >> And then there is the philosophical side of breathing. Once you get to the spiritual part of breathing or the philosophical part, then you're in trouble. If you're just doing I'm going to give you a breathing technique to help you relax. One of the most common known within our community is a lamaz. Right? Many of the of our women who have given birth byem, they took a lamaz course. That lamas course had a lot to do with breathing. When you get into a a a moment of uh child birth by controlling your breathing, you're able to control the not only >> the contraction [clears throat] contraction contractions and also it the you'll have a much well they say a much healthier baby but a easier delivery. Is that if I deserve? >> No. So we there talking simply about the exercise of breathing the simple exercise. Look there is something else. >> So when you you can breathe all day you want all the techniques. Just don't say any words. Don't think about any uh guys with robes and you're fine. Correct. We just want to make the clear distinctions. We could draw the line. >> Well, one of the things is when we talked about call it a chauffeur and again our our uh I'm hoping you're going to invite me back to talk about cults because we have to understand depends on the breeding. It all depends on the radio. We know that. >> Guys, get your friends to listen in. This is the show to be at. This is the place to listen. And of course, when you go when you go on to the Clappy and Frank show, make sure you get to the episode with Rabbi Shia. And then also, when you when you give him comments, say, "Listen, hey, this guy is good. We want him to hear about all about his cult activities and experiences." Let me tell you something. We had some very, very exciting moments. >> The red yamaka only gets you so far. >> I just want to make that clear. and the socks. >> That is funny. >> You can see the socks. The banana after we >> Wasn't there wasn't there a banana event in Yankee Stadium this week? >> Yeah. >> Oh, this week. Okay. >> You see that he's he's part of the kabad cult and any little iota where he could express a little expression. He strips of the socks, the little handkerchief, the yamaka. [laughter] >> So you are hold the opposite. The reason why I wear a yamaka different than others or a >> different than others is to show you that kabad is not a cult. We don't have you can be a good kabad devote without wearing this particular type of kapot or this particular type of shoes or this particular tie or this particular yamaka. On the contrary, we have areas for expression. We have areas of freedom within the and within the ofad and the has given instructions to many to make sure to use your person. That's one of the big of our versus other debasis where he allowed when he saw a talent that hey you know what you have a talent in medicine go back to medical school you have a talent in music become a musician you have a talent in making a broadcast set. So, we're gonna we're gonna put we're gonna put the cult on hold for a moment. >> Right now, as we're speaking, there's hundreds of thousands of parents in the from circles in New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Cana, Canada that are signing up or already signed up their children for sleepaway camps. I spoke to a mother today. She has a teenage daughter that's going one month to one very, very, very expensive camp in Africa or in one of the Cayman Islands. And now the daughter said that that's not good enough. She has to sign her up another month to another crazy expensive camp that all her that all her friends are going to. And if she doesn't send her daughter there waiting on to the next topic. My question is the breath work's over. >> We're going to go there in a moment. The cults part of the cults. My question is if tuition in yeshivas is let's say 6 to $15,000 in the from communities. In the modern communities they can be 30 40 grand. And now the summer camps are costing the exact same amount of money for maybe six to eight weeks of the summer. How are parents supposed to afford it and should the parents say absolutely not and is it going to damage their children if they tell them no? The other question is you run a camp, you're the head of a camp and that camp is much more affordable. So I want to know what your opinion on camps are and the prices and how not to damage your child saying no. >> Before I get to you and you're really on the money over here, this is very very important. Tuition and something I've written about I've I've I've been on my soapbox and I've been screaming about for years. Yeah, >> many many years and likewise uh camp equally as as such which and I'm going and I'm I will address all three of those things. But before we get to that, I want to point out four years ago there was a fundraiser in Williamsburg for the Satma camp, one of the Satma camps. And they asked me to be the guest speaker and they asked me at that time it was after COVID and some of the stuff that was going on there. And u >> 40 years ago, >> I said 40 years ago. Four. Okay. >> Four years ago. >> Four years ago. I heard 40. >> I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Okay. >> You're old enough that I could be either one. >> No. No. Four years. I was asked to be the their guest speaker actually now it's I think it's five years ago that day and I came and spoke and one of the things I pointed out I said I spoke in Yiddish I said listen um my dear friends we know the labba never left his his hub never left his office besides going to the oil he only time he left the only visit that he did to me or mice was camps for three times. He went to visit Camp Gusole and Camp Amuna. >> And by the way, Camp Amuna all all three times he visited Camp Amuna. And in Camp Amuna, by the way, uh he went through the entire camp. By the way, my father walked with him the camp. He was he spoke to my father about the adith because said that. >> Hold on. Did ever spoke about the advive? >> Yes. They ever spoke about the native. >> Okay. But by >> three times did Eva went to camp. Many times did spoke about camp on the in in his faban on one would think the spoke about camp. So camp is a very very integral part of education. There are a number of studies um done by the by many years ago by Jewish week but recently there was another study the Pew study they came out clearly one of the most in influential Jewish things on Jewish kids to keep them Jewish and failed Jewish is Jewish camps >> well when the Reb visited the camps the kids were were a lot were fry kids wasn't >> yes it was it was >> people say today with the the new that camps were meant for Friday kids not from [laughter] kids and therefore you should have yeshiva the whole time >> oh from kids should suffer and not go to camp >> I am not I am not going only kids should have a good time I'm not going to address the kite of that question what I will address is the practical side of that question the practical side of that question is you remember something I've written an article a while ago and said listen we do not send our children to school to receive knowledge you can sit home and you can use a computer and you can get a lot more knowledge you can sit home and read books and get a lot more knowledge. We send our children to become a normal human being interaction. There is no greater interaction. And we just read last week there and all many other laws pertaining to dealing interpersonal relationship. >> So you think that's different in camp than in school? >> I think that not only is it different, not only is it superior, it is a must. This is where the children learn how to because they're sleeping together, eating together, bathing together, doing everything together from morning till night, seven days a week. And that's what I spoke. You're in an atmosphere of 24 hours a day. And remember, yes, we still wear a badge that no one can wear. We are the number one sleepaway camp for Babage. >> Which camp? >> Number one. Campauna. I heard Campamuna was the first. In fact, is when Reb was was interviewed to talk about it. my my my mother of of less memory basically she pointed out that when Rabb came to the Rebba and presented let's get into the camp business originally the Reb didn't say yes and my father presented it once and twice and later again he himself visited he himself endorsed and later became a big big arm of Labavich of our hero of work his camps and and later later became day camps but camp is a tremendous influence >> now has a lot of girls camps so how do you guys differentiate >> being the first. There's a lot of firsts that are closed down. So, >> yeah. So, first of all, we're still around after 77 years. Number one. >> Uh number number two is uh we are we are the best. Simply we have the staff and know what we're doing. Besides of the fact if talk about the Reb came to the camp where the kids now go, they walk the same ground. >> Ellenville. >> That's right. Well, they came to Alenville that >> they ever came to the twice to to G Same people different places those are gone. One is >> saying you're the same little ground >> same ground Ellenville >> although the reb never came to Parkville were the reb or something. >> No no no the the reb came to to Swan Lake. >> He never came to came and he came to Ellenville because Gany the first two years was in Ellenville was four miles away from camp >> was never in Parksville. never bark. >> The reverend never came but the re the re number one is >> is that the reason is that the reason why lavishers are all moving to Ellenville like my parents and my sister and brother-in-law because Ellenville >> well if we can right yeah if we can't give a plug for that Ellenville New York and Kingston New York are two uh little towns that are growing with labra families >> also for uh summer summer >> Kingston your son's the head and your son-in-law is also therekitkin top guy By the way, I started to get to know him really well. Top guy. >> I think so. >> Look, the work that NCFJ is doing in the Cascal Mountains and have been doing for many many years uh is very very strong. We have a lot of our budget is spent up up there and a lot of our pulis up there and there's constantly different things that we're doing. Uh >> hold on one second. So [snorts] the that the fact that parents are spending the same amount of money on two months than than on 10 months in school, you're saying maybe it's justified. Um so f first of all it may accomplish after all you we're we're spending so much more hours. Okay, let's go to I can't talk for every all the other camps and the traveling camps have a tremendous tremendous I don't want to say danger because that would be a little bit over cooking but there is a tremendous tremendous caution that we have to do when our children travel to some of those camps many many could we trust you just because that's your uh >> no I have my visit my dear friend I have my biases I have my biases but I can say but having those biases. I'm still talking about the best. Um the the Campamona prides itself on the following situation and I hope the audience that's listening to us understand this and if not they can call me directly. We give the most scholarships. We have been the most generous campus for scholarships. Let's not talk about what the ticket price is. Ticket price is one thing. We give them and I want to tell you something. I'm very excited. You know for a fact >> I know that's for a fact 100%. >> Um and and I want to tell you something. I know there are kids that come only for only for that reason. We have kids who are there for completely free or or mamish minimum minimum. You should really introduce introduce um interview Rabbi Kan and uh and his wife Rabbit is very entertaining. >> Very entertaining. >> She's a Reuben. >> What? >> What's a Raport Reuben? What's a Raport for all your kids entertaining or some? How does it work? >> Uh we try to give them a few genes of entertaining. After all, number one is when also when you have a lot of children, they have to compete for the microphone. So you have to be good in order to get microphone. Well, how did why why did I do start doing standup comedy? Because also in my house, I couldn't stand out. My brothers were smarter than me. They were more learned than me. So how did I have to stand out? I was I cracked a joke. I cracked jokes and and I even got my father to laugh sometimes, but my mother always laughed at my jokes. But my father was a little bit more serious and and more focused. >> How do you get involved? You're >> I want to go back to the camp. I want to go back to the camp because It's very important. >> Did he pay enough to promote him? >> Hold on a sec. I don't >> So don't worry. We'll run the meter. We'll run the meter. Okay. >> That will happen. >> Number one is we actually um understand the families. But more importantly, uh we're in the business for for the for the longest time. And there are when you talk about I just want to go back to one thing what I was saying about the Reb's interest in camp. The Rebel looked over the menu of camp and spoke to my father about the menu of camp. >> Kids only like hot dogs and chicken nuggets. They don't like fancy food. >> This was about Shabas menu. >> Oh, the Shabas. >> All the camps had the menu on you. Friday night they gave fish uh usually gilda fish. Today we're a little bit fancier. We give salmon. >> Okay. Grilled fish and chicken. And by day they would give liver for the lunch. Liver and then chant. And they would give fish by shall the asked my father why are you not giving fish by fish by dayb so my father said we give it by the says it's kadai to give it uh by lunch I'm just saying you can see the detail that the was concerned >> there is no question about it that there's tremendous tremendous growth for children in camp. Um, now let's go back. >> When I was in Ghana, you saw the HS ran park. So I don't know that's their I think maybe >> that was simply because of numbers. >> No, they have the personality, the excitement, you know. >> Well, but my kid I do apologet want to hear about it. >> So maybe he needs a little more promotion on the Clapia and Frank show to make sure. I don't know. >> That is true. >> That's what I was thinking. I'm going to I'm going to reach out to Camp Muna and say, "Listen, [clears throat] you have to uh buy a few shows on and Clappy and and and Frank and you have to see that they have to endorse the camp. First of all, maybe you guys should come up to see camp. >> Uh the some of the things that we have no other camps have. We do have a zipline. We do have three different >> The were more would you say that your father was more active in this general scene of things than the next generation? like the heck now are not it seems like the JJ era was like showing up >> JJ the next generation I don't know in 10 different places now we have 10 he in 10 different places so it it does change but remember there are a lot more he than meas we only have 35 different mices that we're running and we don't have 35 he that work for us in those >> just to give a just to give a little introduction I have a book in my in my by my bed I have a nightstand and inside there's a few books one of the books I have there that I still didn't finish is a book about Rabbi JJ He believe one of your relatives wrote it. >> Yes. Was all that? >> I don't No, no, it was um Estoam. >> Okay. I I bought it on Mayitz. I I I probably did read it, but I read 50 pages here, 50 pages here. >> If I understand correctly, your father to me comes across as a superhuman person. He was the rough of a successful schol. He run the national committee for the Jewish education. He ran Camp Amuna, Toys for Children, 50 other mists. And whenever the Debb had an emergency project, he would right away take on the project. He also installed a phone line in 770. It's a true story. Yes, it says it in the book. He installed a phone line in 770 because Masceras weren't picking up his phone enough. And he said, "I'm dealing with the Debb's emergencies 24 hours a day. When that phone rings, you better answer it." And he was in communication with DBA all day, every day. So just the idea that one person could accomplish so much. I want to know what it was like to be one of his sons. Tell me a little bit about his how he balanced his schedule every day. I'm just curious. >> First of all, I'm not sure how he balanced his schedule. Um second of all is um when you are blessed with 12 children uh each one of those children have different opinions and sometimes different. Uh I never felt that my father was not there. I felt that my father was there for us. >> No trauma. No trauma. >> Surely for sure whenever I needed him doesn't need breath work. whenever wherever I needed him, he was there. And I must [laughter] tell you uh the work that I have done in cults and other things, uh part of my to stand up against some of the ills of society I got straight from my father. >> Although although my mother was a very also a very very strong lady, she also had a >> what was her maiden name? >> Lasker. Family Lasker. >> Lasker from Belgium. >> I remember Laskam is is a is a first cousin of mine. She had you ever got threatened by these cults to sue you, kill you, anything? >> We Yes, we had a number of different threats at different times >> like anything interesting the cult thing. We're not talking about that, but I will tell you they came once uh with a van load. We will talk about it on the cult program. Let let's let's stick >> a van that came knocking your door. >> Let's stick sold me on you as a cult as why you're interesting and now you're promoting the camp. So I want to get to the we need to get the ratings up half so you come back again. If you just promote your camp, your ratings are not gonna be great. I'm just saying. >> Well, first of all, I'm not worried about my ratings. I gotta worry about your ratings. I'm trying to [laughter] rate you. And therefore, they they're going to keep keep watching of >> Just tell us the Van story. Just finish a quick van story. >> No, no, that's sorry. Well, please God, you'll we'll start off the next program talking about about the program. He's good. He's good. [laughter] >> My the important thing over here is as follows. I think we have to stick with camp because we got I think enough camp I say to parents >> I think he spoke child sleepwake so much credit >> it's very very important let me just tell you a very interesting story what happened in camp muna uh two summers ago >> a young girl was signed up for teen camp for one month father meets me in crown heights and says chia you got to get my granddaughter who was a granddaughter my granddaughter for the second month said leave me alone alone. I I don't have time to do the camp. My son runs a camp. Call him. He says, "No, no." I spoke to him. They're not [snorts] taking her. You have to take her. I said, "What's so important? You don't understand. Camp changed my daughter. My granddaughter's life. She became more f because of camp." I said, "Now you're pushing it and you're not telling the truth." She says, "I am telling the truth." I said, "How would you know if your kid is still in camp? How would you know if the child's life has changed?" That they're very simple. My daughter's having a birthday. My granddaughter is having a birthday soon. 16th birthday. And before camp, they were there because we 16 got to make a big deal. What gift are we going to give her daughter? And my daughter was my granddaughter was asking for certain gospel things. A week ago, she called her father and said, "I want for my 16th birthday a um a subscription to." She saidu and let me tell you something that is a turnaround within three weeks of a girl. Now of course she had great parents. She comes from aid family but she was going off to Dak. 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[laughter] >> That is true. who was a who was a big day for Rabbi JJ. Uh and and rightfully so. If you look at some of the videos, it's it's in Rabbi's office. Uh the office is the way it was for the last, you know, way was 40 years ago. There's two pictures there of the Reb and my father standing right next to each other by the microphone in 1957 and next to that 1990. And you see the difference of the two people. >> Your father passed away in 91. >> 90 same year. Wow. Yeah. Wow. >> So um we we the the politics >> the politics. >> So the Reb never gave anybody permission except for Rabbi JJ and the truth be told for what to get involved. involved in in any politics politics particularly in of course the honored the public officials and elected officials and wanted us to work with the elected officials because a lot of things benefit can come and it's important for us to use our influence for government that government is kind to Jews and government is kind to to education and government is kind to toad various different um things for poverty and and helping helping poor people etc in all different areas >> we still have the Friday All the people line up for the food. >> Yeah. Oh my gosh. Whenever I go to and now I don't go to work anymore, but uh for my whole last 15 14 years on Friday mornings I'm heading to the three train. There's a lot of people lining up in front of your building to get food. Is there a food pantry? >> Yes, we have a food pantry. It's a Friday pantry. >> Every Friday and about 200 people are >> I've never seen a Jewish person online. What? What is it? You don't let juice you don't let juice come. [laughter] First of all, >> I'm saying what I witnessed. >> No, no, no, no. I It's okay. I I can deal with those questions as well. First of all, like this, many of the Jews, you're right, they are bashful to stand the line and therefore we will bring them packages uh Thursday night. Number one. Number two is it depends what we're giving out because when we gave out Jewish when we gave out kosher turkeys before Thanksgiving, you know what? Plenty of uh Jews did come and Kyungalite came as well. So uh it depends the regular weeks uh Jews will come either before or after. >> They don't line up. They do the kaparas the discount for the whole community an amazing >> well I think of one of the biggest of the year I think of bbanaboo's free bris house and I think of the super discounted mass kapar >> $5 how much is it $5 the >> every other I do take credit for that every other hold on a second every other you have to sign up you have to feel stupid it's bris house you just walk in no questions asked kaparus no one feels embarrassed to come to the hapar you just pay $5 comparis is your invention. >> Was my invention? Yes. >> What made you think of it actually? I should say Mr. God Mars God. He was the one who came up with the invention. >> Marus God. >> Uh he's a businessman in in Manhattan. >> What's the thing you felt in Caparis? [laughter] >> He decided to he's avid and he thought that this is a very very we told him also how kaparas to my father was a very very important min. Minhogim in general was something important. My father would really put himself out for a min. but more so for a minute and the kaparis meaning was dying then we're talking now about we're going back now to the early 1970s and it was hard and the first the b butchers used to do it and then the butchers stopped doing it and it was a it was a it was a tk and they want my father said let's get started and uh I was just at the right age to get to get him involved first working with the caparis and uh it grew to a real business >> it's not it's not a classy thing it's smelly it's dirty it's bloody and uh and also hard work and uh and a lot of shleing boxes and uh sleepless nights throughout the week before Yung Kipa and you go to Yungipa a little bit for you know working hard but also it humbles you as well doing that type of work it's not something you go oh I this is what I do for a living it humbles you >> so one second so to have a street corner with sham and blood and did not exist before you did it >> um I can't say was surely was not in in Kronheis >> not in height so you put it on the map Crown Heights. So what was the story? Your father saw the mig was dying >> and he started getting involved and because he had a relationship with Murray Breeski from Falls Chickens. >> Uh it was a at that point they were doing kosher and my father was helpful to him getting his getting him his the proper getting him shim getting him people to work. So we basically said listen I'd like to bring this minig back to life. And of course once we were making money money on it others decided to jump on the bandwagon and hey they can do it as well. [laughter] You know what and it's it's it it is kind of interesting you know one person puts in the effort and the other walk person. >> Just speaking about if you could add a few more and it's like 4 in the morning and there's like two two >> this year on I thought uh no last year was a little bit tough. We bought had an extra and >> because I did run I bought you my chicken by you and I ran to President Street to GET A I'M JUST OFF THE RECORD. >> I just want to say >> no the Okay. >> Whoa. Our problem is that Barak Hashem we ran out of chickens. You know people ask me they say are you going to run out of chickens this year? I said I hope so. [laughter] Why? Why shouldn't we sell every chicken? You know we we're putting money out. We're putting time. We're putting investment. We're doing getting trucking. Doing all all the work. Why shouldn't we run out of chicken? >> What? Just a question. >> Are you supposed to have the chicken after? What's the midhug? Do you throw in the garbage? >> Mig is tell the real truth. What happens? Poor poor person. >> What do you do with the chicken after? >> We basically the chicken goes to mostly to process all everything to freeze it. If you freeze it, you could wish we were able to do everything, but uh but we No, no, no, no. We we work very very stand there stand >> what% gets processed and people are >> really it depends on the year depends on the team that's um we have had years at yeah over 50 >> so average 30 >> listen I think compared to the other other places we're doing a little bit better >> got that's you know sometimes that you >> I appreciate your honesty that's very impressive you don't you don't judge >> success [laughter] you have to judge against yourself but sometimes it is important to look at the other guy and uh yeah we we were in touch with many communities particularly Burak and and Williamsburg uh Farco we know what the other ones are doing we know how we're doing >> taste of Crown Heights >> and I must tell you I'm still I'm still proud >> I just walked into the ice cream store today I had a big plaque saying Taste of Crown Heights award by Nafe J toys the hospital children >> uh can we bring it back >> yeah I got to talk just an just an introduction there used to a food crawl every year in Crown Heights where people paid $100 or $150. NCFJZ get used to get like a million grocery stores and restaurants >> spearheaded it. My son J >> and the people would pay and then they would get a tour and every single store would set up food and you would get like for that money you get milk par. >> No no no only parik >> there was no milk in it but I remember they used to go a tour where whatever and then they used to present the word. So we went to >> yeah I think there was no one. So we went today, we on the way here today, we stopped in an ice cream store and that guy won the award as the best store in the ply 2017. So we got to bring it back. >> Why should he? After all, he listen uh all the people that were part of that food crawl voted for him that he that he's the best guy. So there >> I just while we have you on stage, we want to make sure we ask we get it in. Hopefully the powers that be will make it happen again. >> Yeah. Okay. I will definitely go back home [laughter] and tell uh JJ Hack listen this is very very important create another food court we need uh there's a lot of effort goes in we make a profit I'm not complaining but the fierce one says hey we can we can use our energy but I something for the neighborhood >> a million 100% could you go back to politic politicians chromos and the and the reban politicians >> so can we dive into that a little bit >> gave my father permission after my father passed passed away it was really questionable would I be able to take over so it was a few weeks after that that was involved actually with Cromwell running for for governor and I wrote to the and gave me a braha so I understood that I have my father's passage I have my father's permission and my father's uh permit to continue to be involved in in that uh >> and then did you ever pass on that baton to Jakob Burman because he's also wearing the red yamaka [laughter] >> no I I he's also he has an office there I've given him my blessing but I have not passed on the >> He [laughter] has he has an office it's >> still in my hands >> he has an office in your building though he works with he works with you >> he works for a program called operation survival we have bar hashem since 1985 right his father started we have been helping many Jews who have the illness of addiction various different type of addiction and we could be the nicest guy our we can be aidal we could be fine we could be fine we could be ban we could be a bastard nevertheless Yes, addiction is addiction. And if it's food addiction or if it Hey, you remember >> what Zrock? What is that? >> Zero. >> She worked with an addiction thing. >> She was one of the f our first professional that came in to work with kids and we were and listen the fact is that we do have a problem with many of our shooles and many of our communities. We drink too much on Shabas. >> I wanted to bring that up. drink too much on Shabas and we cannot let our children see that one drunkman. We should never see any Jew being drunk. >> I don't think you want to say you want to be a little high, be a little high. You want to be happy, be happy. You want to dance. If it's purim or if it's on or any any shabas but like it writes in on the purim where it says the says clearly if you are going to get drunk and you're not going to properly you're not going to properly do your your mitzvah you are losing you lost the whole game I don't think the house need a drink they're pretty high >> no no I want I it bothers me a lot I see a lot of people they go to schol shabas they spend the whole afternoon there, they get drunk. They're not around their families and they're not around their children. Say it clearly. It has to stop. >> Number one, the drinking has to stop. Number two, number two is uh we have to recognize that we cannot let particular now the long shabases that our children are hefka for an entire week. You don't want you staying in sh a little late. You're staying for the kdish. That's great. You know what? Make them a shallow shas. And the short shabbasis, make him a mala. Make a Friday night. It is important. I meet kids who come into my office who tell me clearly that they hated the day of Shabas or their father came home drunk and there was an argument in the in the house or comments were thrown or or nasty things were said. What do we not love our children more than anything else in the world? >> No, but there's a newer problem now. This bane this Bane thing guys are going to then instead of on the way to Shaw they're stopping by for a couple of drinks. They're coming to They're not even going to sh I meant >> I is the problem of the drinking or the drinking is a a med medication for other bigger problems. >> First of all, I will say look, mental illness today um is being addressed within the orthodox community and and that is very very important and we're not the way we were you know 40 years ago when counseling started for mental illness. You know where they made the made the offices downstairs on 13th Avenue. There was a bank that had downstairs there was offices downstairs. So the lady if she had an appointment to go with her son she went to the bank. You thought she was going downstairs to the vault. She was actually meeting the psychiatrist. >> But today if you have to go to psychiatrist everybody's in therapy today. Let me tell you something. And therapists can do harm just like they do good. You you just like the guy you're buying a pair of shoes. He can give you the wrong size. the guy you're taking your medication from could give you the wrong size and ovo if you take the wrong size. It is very very important. This is something by the way I've written about I have I I've told you >> I don't like therapists. You don't like therapists. >> Um I don't want to I'm not going to say you're wrong but I I'm not going to say you're right. Um first of all we have to understand when we say therapists what they are because uh um there is a a young lady my mother is a I know I was gonna say there's a young lady that I [laughter] know she studied in our schools she's a great therapist first of all um a friend of mine who became a therapist told me the first class that he took the first professor that spoke were you know yama ben situs everything he says listen guys the first thing is be a good therapist you have to have common sense if you don't know common sense here. So if you ever shug it to begin with, coming to therapist doesn't help anybody. Doesn't help you, doesn't help anybody else. Number one. And you're right. There are certain people I say to them, you went to that guy for therapy. WOULD YOU HIRE THAT GUY TO be your children's babysitter? Oh no. Oh say that I'm a sugar. So you don't go to a sugar. I don't go to him if he was selling flams or or if he's a farmer store. I'm not going to go to who's going to give me medication. You need someone. Just because I have some knowledge doesn't mean anything. But anyways, but we are addressing. We're no longer shoving it under the carpet. However, addiction is still a tremendous tremendous taboo, a tremendous tremendous busha within the Jewish community. And we have to understand, >> well, is that true? When there's a kitten, they people they send it to you first. Uh, >> yes. For a long time, when my father wrote kitten and my brother Shim, Robbie Shimon took it over. I basically before you go forget, you have to come to discuss it with me to see if we can really save the marriage. >> I was told I was told that you saved a lot of marriages that they went to your brother and you came to you and now they're still happily married. >> I I I couldn't have a better endorsement. Coming up next, we will be talking about our marriages on on the Clappy and Friendship. You see Shim and Shia work beautifully together. I don't know. I don't know what >> we the the nuda there is, by the way. Um and >> so you saved >> I've written many articles coming out with a book about about marriage also. >> Quick thing now that topic it's very cool. Three three leading causes for divorce of Shia >> um >> drinking. [laughter] >> No no no addiction is is >> three leading cause of >> I think the the number one uh within the orthodox and and I would say the same thing for the community u is financial uh and financial does not only mean how much money they make. Sometimes it's basically how to deal with the money or deal with the situations. Um I'm dealing right now with a family, beautiful family with an orthodox community, four beautiful kind, the oldest is is is only 12 years old. So on and the problem of the misuse of the finance and I had to bring in you know a financial expert to explain to these people that you know what I know in America we all live beyond our means but there has to be a little bit of as we call in the words of it has to be it can't be we can't just figure out that you know mommy and daddy is going to come and wipe us up it's not we have to really be so number one when you financial means that the husband's not making enough money. >> No, he said they're not they're not allocating money. They are making enough money, but they're not spending properly. Okay. Uh and tuition is part of that, by the way, because >> not camp tuition. Obviously, obviously not camp tuition. [laughter] I know. Um I want I want to say again, I pride myself saying that even in my few years of life, I have given out more scholarships for camp than anyone else that I know. Now, if you're out there listening and you think that you're better than you did more to me, I'm happy to have the conversation. >> Okay, wait a second. We're got to go talk. So, this is a great thing. One of the things that's causing divorce today is financial issues. What other issues? >> Um the the other issues I think of some of the influence the real cancer within our community is you want to call it the cell phone, you want to call it the computer. >> I noticed he doesn't have WhatsApp. We tried setting >> up WhatsApp. Do you want to invite him to WhatsApp? Like it doesn't have WhatsApp such a popular [laughter] guy. I was shocked. >> Yeah. >> I don't even pronounce it. Greg I say what's up? You know my kids say what's up. You know okay what's up? No the fellows. This is a cancer that's unfortunately not marriages but you know studies have shown how many take their telephone their computer into their bedroom. >> Everybody does. >> And in >> everybody does. >> And you lay in bed you can't watch that for four hours. >> Are you out of your mind? I plug my phone in downstairs. I tell people right away, I'm not a rabbi. You can't reach me 24 hours a day. When I come home, I plug my phone in downstairs and go upstairs to my bedroom. I don't take my phone with me. And I think first of all, you shouldn't because of radioactivity. It's not healthy to sleep in the room when if you have a telephone. Okay, number one. And number two is um it's a cancer, guys. Let's be real. It's a cancer. And when you're on it, so your kid is on it. And when your kid is on it, you can't not go to places. You know what I say to people? Go on next day when next time you're sitting by your computer go to YouTube and type type in labavi beautiful stuff will come up about that labavi my kids >> and then you look on the side >> look through some of the stuff that jump my kids >> stuff other stuff other crap that the kids should never see and so what are we doing what are we doing so you're not only talking about smartphones now you're talking about technology in general is being used for bad things right >> all I know is my kids reba playlist now it's spher The first song is your father saying when he sings off tune, we want Mashiach. Now I was singba but the first every single night my kids listen to your father sing we mashia off tune by some rally. So >> during sphere >> I remember when [laughter] he actually taught that that that [ __ ] >> he wasn't he didn't have he was toned out a little bit. My father actually had a very very um nice voice for singing and he he no had kids and it didn't as they say >> I I I've been in the past few years by your nephew in in Prospect Heights and he before he he he asked another your nephew could you please vet my friend Frank because I can't tell if uh so on singing music is not a >> he no true or false if it's false >> okay he's saying it's diversify it so happens to be that we >> no shua your your nephew Shua Baby son has a beautiful me. >> Oh, he has a beautiful voice. [laughter] >> No, no. My father was into my father as a for >> I never knew this recording of your father singing and rally. He's off to >> Okay. So, and now my kids going to sing an off tune the rest of life. So, >> okay. At least they were good at [laughter] it. They were able to have the tune off. >> So, one second. So you're saying the the couples they're not spending time they're on the phones 24 hours a day social media and what what else what other reason we causes? >> Um the I I on on a different level uh I say there's something but particularly within the and the world that we have to understand and that is very very important. We don't give enough compliments to each other and we don't give proper appreciation. We need to appreciate what we do. We need to appreciate and express that appreciation. I tell people if you want to know the two secrets for a successful marriage, it's feedback and appreciation. Feedback give. We don't know if if if your wife makes you and makes a new cook. And if you don't tell her it's good, she doesn't know if you like it or you don't like it. How is she supposed to automatically know? And if you don't like it, so we say say if you do like it, tell her you do like it. And if listen, she's going to make things that you like because she wants to make you happy. I sure hope so. But and and I and and and uh appreciation. You know what? It's very interesting and beautiful. I think you we're winding down, but it's really beautiful. We have in the morning we start off. We say we have time. >> We have it's questionable. Do we count it as 16 or 18? >> All praise. The first thing we start our day is praise. I praise you for this. I praise you for that. I mean, we praise God 16 18. >> So, you say when I get up in the morning, I should praise my wife 18 times. >> It can work. It can. I tell you what, if you do that, I guarantee you there's a change. Within less than a month, there's a change in your >> Bry Schaefer, Robertson. Ra Schaefer. One time my wife and I sat down with her when we were smoozing and she told me a trick in life and in marriage. Tell me, I don't know if you're going to disagree or agree. She said that a husband and wife at at times you're going to say something critical to each other. Something's going to bother you, something's going to annoy you, whatever. She said that for every negative thing you ever tell your spouse, obviously it should be zero, but if you're human beings, you have to counter it with five positive things. Okay. It's a very good vart actually one of the uh geniuses and um professor Gutman from the west coast who has the the love lab he points this out that it's the difference between a successful marriage and a non-successful marriage is how many times praise versus the criticism. We're all going to you say we'll all have certain things to tell our spouses and our kids and our children. We have we have to make sure to counter it with the with the amount of pray with our children. She said my question to you. Okay, good. I I I'll live with that number. I want to tell you one thing. My question is think for a moment when people come to me and I say to them I say them let me ask a question. When was the last time you praise your son or praise your daughter? You know when and then when was the last time you criticized? M so I [clears throat] remember seeing with a with a a couple and their uh teenage daughter that I having a problem with and I said to them when was the last time you praised her? >> They said oh and I said then I said when was the last time you criticized her does it count when on the way driving here [laughter] >> what do you charge what do you charge an hour for counseling? >> I don't charge for counseling. >> Zero. >> I I charge he pays me direct. I can charge you for that David should give you money. Give it to me direct. >> Free. No, no. I don't if if I'm free, they think I'm no good. I'm not free. I'm not free at all. In fact, I tell people that I I don't charge an hourly. I am the most expensive therapist, marriage therapist in in New York and probably in the world. When you come to me, you got to listen. If I give you advice, you got to listen. And that is cost. Don't tell me the few dollars that you're going to put on on my desk is going to hate and go, you know what? Take your wife out for dinner and uh By the way, there too, you know, if you're taking your wife out for dinner, after dinner, I tell people spend 15, 20 minutes after you ate your dessert, just a little bit of water, maybe shoes a [clears throat] little bit, look each other in the eye, spend some time. Um, but I'm telling you something. The cancer of the phone is killing us. Guys, we got to let go a little bit of money. In fact, gives us spend. We should be wisely and in tune with our partners. You know, we can't make that an issue to fight about. >> By the way, on the way here, you were telling us this I didn't tell you I'm going to bring this up. On the way here, you were telling us that there's a security, you know, to to secure the camp. You said it might cost you >> hundreds of thousands of dollars to secure to secure a camp. So I am right now on a drive speaking to other camps, other camp directors in light of what's going on with anti-semitism in the world and particularly even a little bit closer by meaning in the United States of some of the crazy stuff that went on. Most of our camps were basically open and built that way because that's what we wanted to give the child an open. You're not living in a city where where where we're where one house is on top of another. No, it's beautiful. There's so much room and at the same time we have to make sure that we have proper supervision and proper protection for first of all as I tell camp I'm saying for years go into the local precinct go into the uh to to the place where your your your closest state police is. Let them know who you are. Let them invite them over. You know, if they come, give them a cup of coffee. Let them let them be a place that they can know the place they can stop by if they have to use the bathroom. Yeah, we joke, you know. I was I was about I was I was last night by the oil, you know, and and the cops came in and made themselves a cup of coffee, you know. Hey, what what a great thing that that is. You know, they're going to frequent your place if they if you treat them nice. >> As a question I want to ask you before, give us some tips if someone wants to get involved politically. just a guy is a random 20-year-old person. What are steps they should take to engage and be involved with politicians in a way that could help them and the community? >> Much of success bal is just showing up everything. Just show up. There are rallies, there are meetings, show up, see be seen and and make sure when you do go to one of those things, walk over to the to the to that candidate or walk over to the elected official and say, "Hi, my name is Shia." And now will he remember you probably by the time he hits the door? No, he won't. But the second time he sees you, the third time sees you. Fourth time you I remember standing once with Bernard Garrick. He was a police commissioner at that time. >> What's that guy's name? I everywhere I go, he seems to be following me. [laughter] >> The guy was right down here. >> Yeah. Um, so the point is, yes, much of life is simply showing up, guys. Much of success is just simply showing up if you're there. >> I want to ask you a hot topic. As they say, you can't win if you don't buy a ticket. >> Rabb, I don't want to I didn't want to mention it, but I'm gonna mention it anyways. A lot of times lately, Yiddisha Yiddisha people are running for political seats in the Brooklyn area or in Crown Heights especially. And when you when I think about it, I'm like, do they even have a viable shot of winning? And if they're not going to win, they're going to really piss off the people that are going to keep winning. Like, how do how do you know when you have a viable shot to win or when you're gonna lose and just make a lot of noise and piss off >> like a Curtis Leo move? Like I'm wondering unz I'm gonna get a lot of flack for bringing this up but I want to know what >> first first of all it's not only you find many many candidates who think they oh you know I'm gonna become president I'm gonna be getting governor I'll become a mayor and then you have you'll hear about them for for you know for three weeks and it's over. Um >> I've never seen a Crown Heights guy win a real office. It's been coming on and for 30 years they always PROMISE ME THIS IS OUR OPPORTUNITY. >> We don't yet have we don't yet have the numbers. But let me say to you something. Running and losing addictive is not a complete loss. >> Sometimes running and losing can be a tremendous game because as the losing candidate, there was a famous an election in Crown Heights of a of of aided from Crown Heights that ran against Charlie Chisum for for uh um for Congress. And um the Reb told him the night after the lecture after he lost, he knew he was going to lose. The Reb said to him, I'll think of the name in a in a moment. His first name was Yustel. Uh I'll think of the the last name. The Reb told him go to her victory party. So he said, "Victor, I was I was the came into the party. They picked him up on the shoulders and they him because he came to give covet to the winner >> and it actually worked in his favor and it worked in the favor for the Jewish people. So just thinking that well I I'm running to win. Not always. Sometimes we run to lose. Um when when Giuliani ran the first time he lost he knew he was going to lose. It was only preparation for the next time. And many many times there is a and you got to have a long vision. There's a short range plan and a long range plan. Many many times you know you're going to lose. Listen, when I ran in Crown Heights, I I knew I was going to lose. >> You ran. You know what? What did you run for? >> You know what? You know what? I got 49%. And that proved to me and to other people that basically half the people are with me. And therefore, when you run, you know what? They said, "Hey, we got to with him. We can't ignore him. If after people if I would have won with 20% it would have been a busha. >> But losing with 49% you know what that's a pretty big cover. >> One in two people voted for you. That's right. >> What do you run for? >> Vakol many years ago 13 years ago. He said they're making another election and then where do you know it is? >> What's your opinion about the current mayor of New York City? >> The current mayor of New York City um I think unfortunately he's not doing justice to himself. Never mind [laughter] to the people in the city. Okay. He's bright. He's smart. By the way, all these people are out there thinking he's a very, very rich boy. He came from a very rich family. He went to the best schools. So, this facade that he's put on that he understands appropriate people. He I'm not sure he understands poor people. Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't, you know, but uh believe me, I have a better better understanding of of poverty uh than he does. Uh >> well, you're handing out you're handing out food to the poor for the last 50 years. >> Okay, good. But the so number one is I think he is not doing himself justice. >> What does that mean? Please elaborate. >> He he is not he could he knows he can do a better job. Uh and he has to he and he has to do a better job for the people. Not but he you can't play for con to your constituents unless you plan. >> He's the mayor for four months. What could you can't get much done in four months. >> You said he could be doing a better job. Well, well, let me tell you something. Uh, studies show at the first 100 days, there were a lot of mayors that were mocked that were there was super in the first 100 days. This man did not get such a good marking. Look, I please want to understand one thing. I think we have to work with him. >> Don't don't you met him? You met him if you don't >> I met him a few times. I I I I >> Did you get stoned? Did people stone you for after meeting him? >> No, I didn't. I didn't I didn't publicize it, but I heard today heard. Okay, good. I [laughter] I met with him. Uh they say they told me they're only going to give me 20 minutes and an hour later you you know he he listen I was entertaining to him. He was entertaining. He [laughter] is again he is >> Is he anti-Semitic? >> I I don't think so. I don't think so. >> You're beating around the question. >> I can't answer yes or no. There's no there's no yes or no answer. I think he's He's not against Israel either. Let me tell you something. He He We have to understand where he's coming from and where is where he's going to in that map and in that on on that trail. Uh Israel doesn't really exist. Okay? You know, number one. Number two is WHAT DO I CARE what the MAYOR OF NEW YORK CITY SAYS about about should we we should bomb Iraq or or or or or Iran or not? Who cares? Pick up the garbage. [laughter] Right. pick up the garbage and I want to know that that uh the the cop is there to protect me, not to just give me a a ticket for going through the red light. >> Well, I know lights. [laughter] >> Never. >> The red yamaka goes through red lights. >> Let me let me Yeah, the point the point is like this. You're right. We have to give him our time. We do have to work with him. He has to understand. I think he's a very very bright guy. I think he understands some of the problems. I think he's a little bit new. Um, will he actually demonstrate, meaning, will he actually prove to us that he has the leadership qualities that he claims? I don't know. I really don't know. I think the the the jury is still out. Uh, do should I get do I give him the benefit of the doubt? 100%. Uh, if he called me for a committee, I join immediately. I would work with him. He's a he's a he's a as a onetoone. He's a pleasant guy. And let's not don't don't be nervous about his wife either. Okay. So, she speaks Arabic. So what? So what? You know, most people in in in this city speak another language. And I, you know, I don't understand Arabic. I don't understand Spanish either yet. You know, it may come out for a second. >> I just think as Jewish people in America, New York City, I mean, Europe for hundreds of thousands of years, you had anti-Semitic mayors and pirateses and governors and and you worked with them for the first time in New York City of recent memory history. To have a mayor in New York or known as New York to have this antagonist uh anti-Israel is a very it's a unique experience. It doesn't it doesn't feel doesn't hold on. My grandparents in Hungary and Poland and the mayor didn't stone them one day and the police didn't arrest them. You were a big sadic. They're all giving him awards and medals. Now >> we in a in a certain spoiled way. We're so lucky that someone says that Iota against Israel have a heart attack because we're so like surprised. You know, obviously everything is relative. In those days, they would talk to all the pirates. The guy who just killed his brother yesterday, the pirates. the next day they're making negotiating a deal with some the latest uh pagram, you know. So >> to my Jewish brethren, I say, "Let's work with the guy. He we elected him. We We did elect him. Even I I didn't vote for him, but we elected him. >> The people of New York elected him." >> That's right. >> When I met him, the first thing I said, >> "Mr. May, don't get me wrong, I don't I didn't come to give you advice. You you you were smart enough to win. You know what? You were smart enough to win, and you ran against some very good people, people that I I thought were good. Ste dropped out uh then he would win. Cuomo. >> No. The numbers show that even if Curtis dropped out, Cuomo still would have >> Cuomo had no chance. I I my father would say my father blessed memory would say there are no predictions in politics. Guys, stop with the predictions. This is what we have right now. Let's work to get let's work together. We need to have unity between all ethnic and all religious groups in the city. we have common uh situations and it's not only the garbage and it's not only the safety it's not only education there's a lot of different things we need to have a certain level of respect for each other's uh for their children and their children for us and uh I I I think at this moment kids driving on on on scooters uh without helmets uh and and and on the sidewalks and knocking over old ladies is a bigger problem right now and I'm worried more about that than about >> somebody somebody sent me a WhatsApp I, by the way, that was a little bit said in tongue and cheek. >> Rabbi, somebody sent me I know you're against it. Somebody sent me a WhatsApp last night at about 11:45. I was in bed on my phone. I'm guilty. >> Guilty. >> He showed me a picture that right now as we're speaking, Hatsova was rushing a 12-year-old to the hospital who was on a scooter going only 10 miles an hour and even with a helmet, he bashed himself up. And the kids on these scooters are knocking into old men and ladies and breaking hips and all types of crazy things. >> Why doesn't a number of our were hit by these things? First of all, I delegate go on you if you're going that fast be on the street. Don't be on on the sidewalk. >> How do we end this e scooter? How do we end the scooter? >> My book. Maybe you can give me a little plug for both books. >> Yeah. >> My second book I just want >> What's the second book? that the second book basically it's called >> you answer hold on here you answered the question so well you get plugged you earned your as the show went along >> there I I think there was some good peaks some good uh viral clips I'm seeing already listen >> so you earned your way for the second book promotion you're asking >> I did Clattman mentioned name many times I'm a little I'm a little I'm at a little uh what's it called dis disadvantage because Clattman every week has to book people to speak for free in aul So he has all these credits of every guy he used to bother to speak in a shul then he on me oh bring on the show bring him on the show. So I don't know who how many times you spoke in a shul how many times you didn't speak in so I was like I don't know how [laughter] so barakashm you're I mean I found this conversation so far very entertaining you answered all the questions you didn't dodge anything that was very impressive. So at this point you earned your second shout out your second book. >> Okay [laughter] show show the cover whatever it takes whatever it takes. But the main thing is really is a subtitle which is restoring hope. I have over a hundred different stories there of of of uned from Eden Orthodox Jews, people fromidic community that were helped with tremendous tremendous Yeshua from Masonim and Rabonim. You know, a lot of times people say the rabbis didn't speak up. Wrong. The rabbis did speak up. We did take our stance. We did. And I talking about particularly in areas of abuse. There are those who say we shoved it under the carpet. Not true. There are many many rabbis 10 years ago and 20 years ago and 30 years ago and 40 years ago were outspoken against these abusers against these predators and I'm one of them again and we have put people where they belong uh if it's behind bars >> I know my wife's grandfather Dr. Hayes had some the pictures by their rabbit with your father, right? >> What's the connection? >> First of all, they were he was a doctor and psychiatrist >> and he was the doctor in Campuna and she was the nurse in campa. That's right. [laughter] That's right. That's like the Hayes family as it happens the Hayes family now I know Hayes family as the Kman family have been very close to rebes were right. I saw the red dollars. My wife's grandfather was >> your great your grandfather also had very good sense of humor by the way. >> Dr. Hayes. >> So he was the doctor in Campuna. >> This there were pictures in our old brochures of Dr. Hayes uh you know as as the doctor. Yeah. >> Psychiat only because you've been involved in politics for over 50 years. I know how people get to say how does it come to our show? There's been three assassination attempts against Donald Trump all within the last like two years. How does he protect himself? >> No, protect him. They're going to protect him. Don't worry about it. >> What do you mean? >> Uh the CIA will protect him. You see that CIA will protect him at work. >> What do you mean they protect him? I feel didn't if he didn't lean his head another inch this way. >> That is true. That is true. God God was the one who protected him the first time. That is understand. But I want to tell them I have many many Jews who who call me again because know I'm involved in political Donald Trump again if we like him we don't like him we agree with him we don't agree with you know somebody that doesn't like >> crazy we don't think he's crazy but they say one thing is you can't say God seems to be on his side God's protecting him I mean man could have been dead three times you know what and I remember when he was running one of my balabat SAID ME HE'S GOING TO WIN I SAID HOW DO you know he's going to win he says if God saved him he's going to win he's going to win so Uh, interestingly enough, again, I'm a man, well, I present and I represent sometimes Judaism and God. I will tell you this, regardless of who Donald Donald Trump is and what he stands for and what what his what his philosophy is, God, he seems to want to protect this man for whatever reason it may be. >> For whatever reason, he's great friend and support of Israel. >> Sounds like a real talks like a real democratic >> a lot of a lot of reasons, not just [laughter] Israel. Um, listen listen. First of all, I've been on radio for many years and I've always said I >> You have a great face to radio. [laughter] >> I believe that politicians who have voted in this country should first take care of our country. Foreign policy is a is foreign, you know, foreign policy. The fact that in our case as Jews, we're concerned about Israel. First of all, you want to talk about Israel, it's a free country. you can move to Israel and Israel will take you in and you can move and you can even run for for a prime minister in Israel if you want. You don't have to be born. It's not like America. But um I say that that I want them to make sure that they're focused on doing what we need. Iran when he speaks about what's going what's coming from Iran for 48 years. 48 years they basically death to America. Death to America. Yeah. It's about time someone said up hey shut up. [laughter] No, it's all we don't keep your you want we will teach you a lesson. Okay. And perhaps the lesson was learned or wasn't learned. Uh that that we'll see we'll see in the next few days still. But you know what? Yeah. It was very nice that for for for once standing in Congress and standing in the Senate and saying guys stop it. Stop it. Put your money where your mouth is. Walk the walk. Stop talking the talk. and guy there's some great genius uh senators and congressmen and some of them are Jewish also unfortunately. Yeah. Yeah. They they don't do do us very very good. But here is a man who said he says he warned you when I become president this is what I'm going to do. What remember how many presidents said they were going to move the embassy to to to uh to Jerusalem? All of them. All of them. But five before said it and they didn't do it. All of a sudden they voted Trump and he does it. THEY SAID, "WHAT? HOW COULD HE DO IT?" WHAT? HE promised you he's gonna do it. Oh yeah, but we thought he was going to be like Clinton. We thought he was going to be like Obama. We even Bush promised it and they didn't do it. >> Were you always involved in not for profofits or you had In and Out? >> No, I was only involved in non for profofits and uh my wife says I for profit very very well. >> Were [laughter] you ever in the business world or never? No, I I I have sometimes sat in either in uh as an adviser to business people. I don't want to say in rebinic mediation because uh the other NCFG hasn't really worked well >> the past 50 years just NCFG or you've done other stuff. >> No, I was uh I was I was involved in NCFG from before I got married and I married already. >> Were you ever involved in or No, >> no, never. never never other any other mices had taught in Bashkar. I was involved in one or two other things. Yeah. But um involved in in our community again at one point I was very very much involved. Yeah. I remember uh your mother as a girl and I and I >> my mother. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> In which school >> he said before about when he had a we talk about therapist. He said he knows one therapist that worked studied by him. He was referring to your mother. >> I don't think my mother ever went there. Andre Zifka. >> Andrea. But I was speaking to you involved. She was a >> when I when I came into the studio >> also >> my sisters >> sisters >> when I came into we do good work when I came to the studio I asked you and I said I actually mentioned I'm going to ask you my brother is very into boxing and a few times growing up we went to people's houses that had a TV we didn't have a TV in our house to watch a boxing match and you I used to look at the screen and I WOULD SCREAM OH MY GOD THERE'S A LAB GUY SITTING IN THE BEST SEAT in the whole entire house you used to be front row center seat with the big red yamaka >> Joe Rogan and Donald Trump what's your connection to the world of boxing >> through the Wskis who are very supporters family. I was introduced uh to Don King. Uh I think we can say there was a uh an attraction immediately, you know, somewhat of a love fest right away. I spent a lot of time with him. I would walk through the streets of Manhattan. I would see how people worship this man. >> Who is he? >> He was a big box boxing promoter. >> He was the number one boxing. He had Mike Tyson. He had all the big >> the one who basically took boxing from a little sport to a worldrenowned sport. >> Probably a multi-millionaire. >> Yes. Yes. Hundreds of millions of dollars he was worth. Spent time with him in his office. Spent time still around. >> He's he's still alive. He's he's um Jewish. He's not Jewish. >> He's not Jewish, but thank God. >> So what's all the Gam what's all the Gam taking such a strong liking to you? >> Uh you have you have to ask them, you [laughter] know, they they appreciate truth, you know. Um, the truth be told, uh, Don King, I believe, was a friend of the Jews. He admired Jews. And then I want to tell you one interesting thing. I don't know if it's like towards our end. >> We honored him. >> As long as you're interesting, we'll keep it going. The second it gets boring. >> We honor, but we have to split it for two things. People are not going to watch a two a two hour. >> What do you mean? We had 30,000 views on a 2 and >> You don't have to watch the whole thing. >> No, no, we have statistics. People are addicted. >> Okay, listen. Addicted. Okay, sorry. Another problem. >> Oh, addiction. >> I went to a meeting with Dr. came before we honored him in in I think it was 1996 and all his people different associates >> who was a guest of honor for the NCFJ about guest yeah in 1996 and one of the people got up and spoke it was remember this is now a room of business people very successful people this guy was running a newspaper this guy was doing this but the black community Latino community people big people politicians people the guy gets up and says, "Listen, every one of us sitting around this table, there were roughly 30 people. I'm sitting next to him at the head of the table." >> Wait, your tuxedo? >> No. No. This was not by the dinner. This was before. He says, "Every one of us in this room owes us thanks to some Jew who helped us in business." Couldn't believe it. And he says, "Me?" There was a Mr. Goldstein, you know, on on the Lower East Side. He helped me. I got the name. And every one of us have some Jewish person. This is the national committee for Jewish education. The dinner is happening, you know, November. And and I want you to be there for Don and I want you to be there for the for the student organization. >> Who's the one that say you remember? >> This [clears throat] is this goes back again to 199. >> They all came. >> What? >> They all came. >> We had 900 people by that time. >> 900 people. >> Yeah. Yeah. And uh where was it? >> Financially very successful. >> Where was it held? who could fit 900 people >> in the in the Sherin Hotel. >> But uh and Don King I mean he is a personality and uh uh he he I I was I was at his trial and uh >> trial. What did he do? >> No, he didn't do anything. >> He's innocent. >> They were charging him. You want to know what he was being charged with? >> I got to Google it. >> Yeah, Google. you basically charged with some type of uh insurance fraud that the government decided to go after him. Basically, I really believed spending time. They went after him because he was black. Uh he was innocent and it was a hung jury and he and he and he did well. But one day he um >> did he have a Jewish he had a Jewish lawyer? >> He actually [laughter] his two No, he did not. He did not have a Jewish lawyer. But um he always was first of all his secondhand person was a a Jewish woman who helped run in his business. Uh he as I said he was very respectful with Jews. [clears throat] I think he liked Jews. I think >> how did he meet you? >> How did you what? >> How did you guys meet through through this? Because >> promoting a boxer >> uh >> and we met and as again we I remember the first meeting in his hotel that we had. Um I'll tell you one interesting thing. Okay. There's a name in this city, a black leader that when you hear his name, you you it it elicits emotion. Sharpton. Sharpton. There was one person who stood up to Reverend Sharpton that he that that basically beat him. That was my mother, Rebbit. When we were honoring Don King, the rumor was that Sharpton who was very close to Don King uh was coming to the to the thing. I just wrote up this story in my mother's book which is soon going to come out. My Kanesh was working on it. One chapter was actually covered in CO. They uh they they printed a story uh before my mother's yard last year. >> Speaking of Speaking of CO, why she say it? >> M highly recommend you come on the show couple weeks ago. >> Thank you. >> And C is a great friend of the show. We appreciate their support. for the show and for all my crazy entrepreneurial endeavors have been amazing >> and I've invited Mika Sofur for the last six weeks in a row to come on to the show and uh that's the one question she always forgets to answer. [laughter] >> Okay, so um and they just did a podcast on uh on breath work which was very very good and shows how bad breath work is. Okay, having said this, so it's Wednesday before the dinner. Uh, my mother sees me in the office and she comes over to me and says, "Is Al Shapton coming to the dinner?" [laughter] I said, "I don't know." She says, "I'm asking you a question. Did Al Sharpton coming to?" I said, "Mom, how should I know?" She says, "Well, the rumor is that he's coming because he's good friends with Don King." I said, "Mommy, if Don King wants him and he's our guest of honor, I'm not telling him not to come." I says, "Okay, set an appointment for me." I thought you meant Don King. Okay, not with Don King. I want an appointment with Al Sharp. >> Whoa. >> And it was set up Sunday morning of the dinner. We go >> The dinner's on a Sunday. >> Sunday. They go Sunday morning to uh to Don King's suite in Helsme uh hotel on Madison Avenue and 60th Street. We get there. It's uh we leave the house at 8:00. 9:00 meeting is morning there. We come in. Donkey's on the phone already. He's doing business and Al Shton comes in. He sits down and sure enough Rebbit starts the meeting. Yes, you called the meeting. What's the meeting about? She says to Al Sh, "Is this man?" Pointing at Don King, "Is this man your friend?" He says, "Yes." He says, "Do you think the Jewish community should honor this man?" >> He says, "Yes." He says, "Well, let me tell you something. If you show up tonight, this man is not going to have his honor. It's going to turn in to a to a to a match that will you're going to we're going to you're going to disgrace [clears throat] dishonor him. dishonor him and Sharpton was quiet and Don King and his love WAS THAT'S A JEWISH MOTHER THAT'S THEM THAT'S THEY'RE STRONG THEY'RE POWERFUL THAT HE was so noiled he was so moved that way my mother I kept telling him what mommy what are you going to tell him I didn't ask you you just be quiet just make sure the meeting is happening three. I was going crazy and baby it was over. >> He didn't show up. >> What was it? >> Not only didn't show up, but it ended off in a in a in a bidical way. It was He didn't show up also not being upset. He honored my mother. Could you give us some >> If he would have showed up, it would have been a disaster. >> Yeah. Could you give us some context of Reverend Al Sharpton and the Crownets, right? So people understand your mother's >> animosity towards him. >> Yeah. Well, we believe that Al Shapton when we know that he was there and we during the riots and we believe he was instigating the people the riot more >> uh and he has been outspoken. He was on the radio. He said things against us, you know, the the and the stop at the this, you know, news day uh paper [laughter] news wrote an article and said the blacks are blaming the Jews for getting the government money. The Jews are blaming the blacks for government money. And guess what? Neither one is getting them government. and and Crown Heights is being underserved by federal government, state government news wrote the article. Fanta, that article helped us tremendously. It helped shift the situation. But let me tell you something. Even weeks afterwards, you know, >> did he ever apologize for the Crown Heights riots? Did he ever apologize? Half apologies. >> Yeah. Yeah, they were half apology. Look, look, let me tell you something. I I I differed with some of my colleagues. You know, they called it a program. I called it riots. I think we had to keep things in perspective. U uh yes, it's true. City Hall really did not know uh what was going on in the street. They were getting the wrong information. And and Mayor Dinkens, who many have called an anti-semit, he's not an anti-semite. He's friendly. He was friendly with the Jews. He simply was incompetent to do the job properly. I ask if you had to run for Vat Cole again, what would you do different to try to win? >> I don't know if I I don't I don't know if I wanted the job. You ran. They asked me. Yes, I ran. >> What would you do differently? >> I don't know. >> Are they doing Are they doing a good job? Are the new guys doing a good job the last two years? um the the the Vatal guys um you know each person they are checking in with a lot of other meases before they make certain decisions which is very very important because the guys before did not do that. I could tell you one huge accomplishment that they have that they moved it out of this tiny little storefront into this big huge mega center like it's at least it's Pakovic now that's it's like one big huge place that's an accomplishment no >> yeah and and look it it's a big group some of the guys are very good some of the guys are not so good but um look it to a certain extent it's it's uh [clears throat] thankless jobs you're taking a job that you know who's no one's going to say thank you. >> You don't get paid. >> You'll always get criticism. Um some of these people have used uh that platform for themselves. Uh unfortunately um and some have used it for the mic. They do have a power by the way. They do have an influence. They do have a stance. They do have a a position and they can help mist to a certain extent more than the US. Listen, what's killing us as far as the mice is concerned is tuition and I've been outspoken about that and they too can help that as well if they wanted to as which I believe and I don't want to go on a rant over here of how many people can change but any person with empower within our community if uh they wear the cloak or a hat of this part leadership this leadership that leadership if we're outspoken we can make change they asked me to speak at a mala for one of the mistas in crown heights a few months ago they made a young alumni thing, whatever, and they got up to do a presentation, a PowerPoint about how much money the yearly budget is, which I don't want to say give away too much information. Tens and tens of millions of dollars, this >> and it turns out that tuition covers so little of the budget. That means whatever they're charging in tuition, the tuition covers so little of the budget that they have to fund raise most of the money anyway. So when the parents complain about the tuition, they're like, "We're barely charging anything." You know, one of the biggest mic within our community had the best man as administrator. He was bringing in millions and millions of dollars for the institution and because of some stupidity and a little bit linara they we fired him [clears throat] and yes they were struggling then and they're struggling now but you know >> what are you saying with that? >> What are you saying? Yeah, it's a good question. What I'm trying to say is many times the doesn't see what the man is producing. You have to understand it's all a question what has the man accomplished? What has the man done? Most of the people on the street don't understand. Look, they don't understand the politics. They don't understand the accomplishments. Is it a big thing? Is it a lot of thing? You know, listen, we talk I want to talk about So, I go to my first boxing match that uh that Don King gives me. >> Did you enjoy it? You enjoyed the fights? Wait a second. No, >> he enjoys fights. >> Anyways, I'm we're at the meeting and he gave me he gave me 50 seats. >> 50 game. >> We go to this fight >> and we don't know who we're supposed to root for. [laughter] THEY'RE SCREAMING THIS GUY A PUNCH. EVERYBODY STANDS UP. YOU KNOW, WE don't know who that I said somebody who am I supposed to like one of the guys from the inside. I'm who am I supposed to be happy for? There are people who get up and scream and they cheer and they don't know who they're supposed to cheer for. You're cheering for the loser or you're cheering for. Come on guys, you're endorsing them. If you don't know, sit there and be quiet. Don't get up and cheer. And there's I did know one thing when I was sitting in the place when everybody got up, I got up. You know, all of a sudden the guy was knocked to the ground. Everybody got up. Boom. I got up. In your many years of communal activity, what are things you've realized or learned only now that you're much older that you didn't realize when you just started engaging with the world? >> No, I had a I I >> any like >> I must tell you um I I can't even >> I give you two things like the when I was 20 I thought the world was like I can't even think of one thing off hand because I had the best the best teacher. I worked for my father. He trained me. He trained me in the shambi cases. People tell me this is down here. Well, where did you get your training? And I crack a joke and I say where did Freud get his training? Oh no. And how now that we finish that? Yeah. >> So you haven't you're not wiser from your age of 20 till now. >> I can't say that guys. You have you have experiences realize that not not one sizefits-all. But I will say one thing what I've learned from many asim as well as uh and I'll tell you about my father as well. We have to listen more than we talk. And I know we say it, we have two ears and one mouth. Maybe still wants us to listen twice as much. And second of all is what I've learned from my father. We don't listen with our ears. We listen with our whole being. We listen with our whole being. And I walked into my father's office. He's on the phone and he's and you know oh you know and and and I'm think but he's listening he's giving feedback to the to the old lady who was crying about I don't know about a cat died you know if it was a big problem I don't know but there was such connection there was such involvement he listened with his whole being we listen with our eyes and I tell people we go to school we we are taught how to speak. We're taught how to write. We're [clears throat] taught how to read. Did you ever attend a class of how to listen? >> No. And that is the most important element in your marriage. It's the most important in your parenting. It's the most important in your as a as a as a as a as a as a leader as a we have to listen. What is the number one quality of Mosher Rabenu? and stay still how whatever humble and the first thing humble is you you will listen to somebody else because maybe you have something you understand how prophetic it is what you're saying the last couple of days Mosi every time we're on the conversation on the phone with somebody he always starts puts the mute guy and he says you have to listen listen don't answer listen that's what I want to learn how to listen better >> anyone can talk listen is very hard and I will tell you I'll give a shout out to one of my gurus which is uh Manis Friedman and and He one of the things I when I watched him in his his manners and his thing and his and his classes everything and I used to listen to his tapes talking about now back to the 1980s when he was the first one sending out tapes he would listen when it was question he would listen before he speak and then he of course he's also a smart guy so he said the right things also do you have any regrets pardon >> do you have any regrets in life or no >> any regrets in any regrets in my life? I mean, I've made mistakes if that's what you're asking. Uh, regrets. >> I'm saying more from the teaching like that's why I asked really the question before. Have you learned anything? In our next interview when we're going to talk about cults, there were cases that I lost because I didn't listen to my intuition and I sometimes listen to other people. You know what in life and um we all have challenges and even at my age you have challenges and what do I hear from my voices from my parents particular both from my father >> thing you wish you you followed your intuition more. >> Yeah. And I say to I hear my parents telling me, you know what, you believe in it. Stay there. Stick it. Stay with it. Uh I don't want to use the word, but you know, fight for it. Stand up for it. Speak up for it. And um I'd like to think my father stood stood up for stood up for the little guy before me and I'm sticking up for the little guy. And I hope my children do do the same thing afterwards. My son calls me up. Yeah, we have to go back to the camp. My son calls me up one day and says, "Listen, I got an application. the girl is this and this and this and this. Should I take her? I said, how can you take her if you just listed other things? He says, but isn't this the type of girl that we're looking to change, that we're looking to influence, that we're looking to uplift, that we're looking to save, that we're looking, this comes from a family. She said, "Yes, TRUE. SHE'S STRUGGLING. ISN'T THIS the the exact thing that Zadei made the camp for?" You know somebody said to me uh one day to the king came to my son also says you know >> how much is the downfall of campun you know how much is the the the >> shortfall shortfall thank you sorry yeah downfalls other camps you know >> downfalls we have shortfalls [laughter] shortfalls he said about a half a million dollars he says how much money do you give out scholarships yeah said about a half a million dollars he says oh so if we stop taking scholarship are you crazy this is What? That my Zadei made a camp for My Zadei made a camp to take the poor kids in to help the poor kids. Rich kids don't need don't need us to take care of them. Let them go. Let them let them go. You like you said before you never go to to to the camp in Mexico and South Africa and anywhere else. We need to take care of the poor. We need to take care of downtrodden. We need to take care of those who need us and waiting for us and want to. And you know what what I did learn and a positive thing is people want guidance. Many many years ago they did a survey of high school children and guess what they found that most high school said they don't hear the word no enough. >> They don't want to be in a cult. >> They don't they don't they want to be led. >> No. No. I'm your parent. The answer is no. I'm your teacher. The answer is no. I'm your rabbi. THE ANSWER IS NO. I'M YOUR I'm your therapist. The answer is no. I'm your therapist. I can't I can't tell them what to do. Why not? If they were jumping off roof, what would you say? Uh oh, that's different. Why is that different than when they're killing themselves? If they were telling came home to you and said to you, "Oh, my therapist, I would like to tell you that tonight I plan on killing my brother." Oh, you'd stop them. Oh, but they say, "Tonight I plan on killing myself." Oh, all of a sudden you as they say in Yiddish, all of a sudden you're deaf and dumb and you don't know what to do. You know what to do. Tell the kid, "No, you're not going to kill yourself. You have a worth. You have a value. People love you." I remember um when this is quite a few years ago because we were just new in computers and and I don't really check my email, but you know, my secretary says, "As an important email, I think you take want to take a look at." And um [clears throat] this guy from a a very very notable family writes me, doesn't tell me who he is at that point. He says, "I plan on committing suicide." Okay, so now you have a lot of questions. What do you do? Who do you call? But the first thing I because in my training I know Roc Ro if you if you do die, do you have people who are going to cry for you? So he writes back, "Yes, of course." Said, "Who?" So he's he mentioned a few people. So I knew we're safe grounds. That's one of that's one of the the lititness tests that you do. And then of course a week later we met and I worked with this young man Trey B. He's married now. >> You did you did some breath work with him. >> I didn't tell him to I didn't tell him to stop breathing. I also didn't tell him to breathe. Um look you know we we joking about >> I think he lost joking. We're joking. >> I think he lost his breath when he met you. >> Right. Right. Thank you. We joke about the breath work. guys when when some of our kids are going to go for other religious inspiration and spirituality elsewhere because they learned it in the breath work. You know what there was an article written by somebody >> almost very well >> before I forget I recently I heard one of these Tik Tok rabbits say about psychedelics helping people with their past trauma. You have any comments micro doing sugar that ever wrote more than one letter against psychedelics. That's what big psychedelics was in the 70s. That's when it was big. And by the way, that's why >> does it help trauma? Does it help trauma or no? Gives you trauma. >> It exchanges one for another. Stop it with you can't use something that I got. I guess I guess you when you take rabies shots it's part of and or or immune systems but you we take um well today it it's it's a dirty word vaccines but uh take me sometimes it's a live uh uh culture that we actually take but let me tell you something um I'm not going to say that you're not going to meet somebody who says I did that then it helped me, you know, and I'm going to tell you that I meet people who did did a lot of crazy things and it said it helped them and maybe it did help them. And what does that prove? What did that prove? We have to deal with the majority. We got to deal with the rules. We got to deal with what basically society. We can't start saying, you know, this guy, you know what, he starved himself and he basically he he cured himself. >> I also want to make a shout out for your toys for hospitalized children. That's your son JJ. My son JJ was doing an unbelievable job. >> My son was in the hospital in my monities >> few years ago and suddenly a Lego a menu a toy set showed up to his room and we looked >> toys for hospitals. I thought it was just an ad that hex market. I didn't actually [laughter] know there's toys I >> and then I had some family members in the friendship circle. Boom. Toys showed up from hop. So I know the charity does exist. Just want to >> I I shout out. >> Thank you for that shout out. It's very very important. But my son did. >> But the second time he came to the hospital, it wasn't there. So, he didn't want didn't want to go back to the hospital again after that. So, >> right. Good. [laughter] But let me tell you something. He has something what what when if you get into the hospital, you can call or email and they will send you a gift. It's called um a toy shop that he has in a number of hospitals. And they can actually you can log on and you and you say, "What toy?" By the next morning, the toy is It was Lego brand. I was very impressed. It wasn't some faka brand. It was >> By the way, by the way, just to tell you, particularly in Israel, that's your number one toy is Lego. >> Oh, you hospital also in Israel, too. >> Yeah. Yeah, we're in Israel. International. Yeah. We have toy rooms we built and we're in he's he's in 15. >> So, when people say the heck slowed down since JJ, it seems not to be the case. >> That's not true. In the last in the last 30 years, um I must say that I'm a little bit outspoken about this. We have held and grown but uh not to where we should have been. Other other organizations have grown more in 35 years. We should have grown more and there's a lot that a lot of >> new I wrote down this question last night and I was about to let it go and I have to ask you this question. A camp, a school, a massifa, a this happens to everybody. They have room for 200 students. You're not getting 400 kids in. you're and if you're gonna get 500 applications, 300 you have to throw out. What is the proper way to decide which 200 you're taking and which 300 you're rejecting? >> The first thing is if you're in a a seminary in Israel, you don't have a right to take 400 applications when you're only taking 100 children and asking everybody to give you $150 with their application. And far as I'm concerned, the last time I studied a little Talmud, that's called Geneva. They all do it. They all do it. >> Fine. So they're stealing money. They're simply fundraising. That was a Right. That was a good joke. Not like that. This is a humorous thing. That was a good joke. Funraising. >> So what should they do? >> What should they do? >> They want to see who's good. They >> They want to take First of all, they know that before they interview the kid, they know because they got a report from the school. They know who they're taking. You knew you're not taking my child. What right did you have to take my honey? How do they all get how do they all get away doing it? >> Because they can. >> That's right. Yes, they can. >> Free market. >> So what does Campuna do? >> Camun does a charge. >> Camping registration. >> Oh, so there is registration fee, but you if we don't accept you send back. Yes, we do. >> So finally just want to thank our sponsors. Kaiser crackers, the great flams, hot tip. There's nothing left. [laughter] >> Pickle uh or the great pickles of Pikovas. Chia did not sponsor so we don't talk about his book, but it is here. 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