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from boit on Florida this is behind the
beima on this episode Rabbi Goldberg is
joined by Jonas Rosen a renowned Jewish
journalist and the director spokesperson
and founder of Jewish media resources
known for his in-depth analysis and
captivating storytelling jonis explores
the historical narratives that have
shaped the Jewish world and discusses
their relevance today Yodas delves into
the themes of resilience and continuity
in Jewish history offering his
perspectives on how understanding our
past can Empower our spiritual growth
yonasan also shares his insights on the
challenges of preserving Jewish identity
in the modern world the interplay
between tradition and Innovation and his
personal Journey as a writer plus
thoughts on the contributions of key
Jewish figures throughout history and
the importance of nurturing a sense of
unity and Community responsibility all
this and more behind the
Bea R Jonathan R yonasan I'm not sure
which to call you or both really I think
in itself is a reflection of how complex
you are how nuanced you are um and how
much there is to you but it's a great
pleasure to be together again and I
thank you for going behind the Bea very
excited to learn about the new book and
ordinary greatness which you've really
taught the world and shared in in so
many of the platforms that you share on
it's been a long time since you were in
boaton for a shabas but we still
remember fondly and I gobble up your
article every week and enjoy it it's one
of my uh mustre as I flip through mostly
advertisements and Skip other sections
but lot of
thank you for making you way here it's
amazing to be back in the Dau studio and
I'm thankful to my sister danela and the
incredible people at Dau so thank you
for being with us today you it's my
pleasure so RAB there's a lot to talk
about um but let's start with the book
let's start with good news let's start
with that which all can rally around
agree with be inspired by something not
controversial whatsoever what's the
Genesis what what brought you to this is
it simply a collection of Articles
you've written is there new material
what is it about these people that
qualify them to make the book well it's
interesting I didn't I'm I'm not a very
efficient person so while I've long
wanted to put together a book of
articles on different subjects and I
could write I could put together five or
six books like this somebody came to me
and he said he had selected out articles
that were dealing with people and he
said what do I think about publishing he
he thought that he was going to get in
the book publishing business he was
looking for something to do and he
basically selected the pieces which is
probably why the piece on your your
shair got left out which should have
definitely been there
uh and he he came up with the idea you
would think okay he's selected the
Articles the Articles have already been
published they've already been edited
should go real chick-chack right to show
you how ill suited I am for this task it
took probably four or five years oh wow
to to get everything done it needed a
glossery he wanted it to be a book that
would provide a different perspective on
the Orthodox world he himself is not
from the K world world uh but he thought
you know somebody who can write
articulately about a wide variety of
subjects you know who's as much the
product of University of Chicago and
Yale law school as he is the product of
the Yesa world I mean I like to think I
become more of a product of the latter
but uh and show that community and show
an ability to deal with with a rde a
wide range of people and we have on
George Washington Abraham Lincoln and
Margaret Atcher as well uh and a lot of
interviews with you know Yehuda abir
wrote the prime ministers Robert
wistrich who was the greatest Authority
on anti-sm contemporary
anti-Semitism so it's a wide ranging
book it's it's also a personal book well
what was the goal of the book to put
this together what what do you hope that
the reader walks away with how do you
want to transform
them well you know I start on the the
flap cover with this quote from uh um
George ell
somebody said to me you'll have to
explain to most of your readers that
George Elliott was a woman but George
Elliott says in Middle March you know
she talks about those who lie in
unmarked Graves who have who but for
whom the world would not be quite as
well with you and I as it is because
they lived how many special people there
are around us uh and if you look
everywhere they're everywhere you know I
was just thinking yesterday uh I look at
American
politics I'm it's I can't believe that a
country of 350 million could have come
to this and these should be the choices
that are confronting us such a poor
reflection of us this is this is how
unworthy we are as a Generation Well HL
Menin said that democracy is a system by
which the people get what they want good
and hard so if this is what we want okay
it's it's it's sad I look at the
situation in Israel the the uh the
tremendous divisions that existed prior
to October 7th and I'm also and then I
look around at my community I just look
about the people who I diving next to
and there are pieces number of pieces
here about people who passed away who I
ding next to in some of them I never
even talked to because I was so I
realized that their time was so precious
to them that it would be a waste of time
for me to engage them even when I knew
that you know one of them had pancreatic
cancer and wasn't going to be there long
but I figured I just saw who he was but
I observed him from afar and then I'm
excited you know I mean I know so many
remarkable people partly I was able to
bring out in this book my mentors I
could talk about rman Bulman in our
first conversation when I thought we
came here on our honeymoon thinking we
were going to go back and I would become
a conservative Rabbi I never opened up a
gamor I was 27 years old and uh he told
me don't become a rabbi I'm he says it's
good advice it was good advice not all
of us listened or got it but it was good
advice so I I have you know and Rob
Benda we back and
and most most most powerfully for me n
walpin the editor the Jewish Observer
who was you know basically an older
brother to me I'm the oldest of five
boys and he was an older brother to me
and he was a second father because just
as my
father alom guided me in the world into
which I was born he guided me into a
world in which I entered and I couldn't
have done it as as felicitously without
without him that's for sure that that um
contrast between the leadership and the
people that you describe leadership
maybe reflects our unworthiness but the
people the ordinary people who otherwise
might be invisible it's part of the
story of October 7th where the authority
the political leadership and the
military leadership sort of disappeared
or fell apart or failed but it was the
ordinary citizens whether it was
ordinary citizens who took up arms to
volunteer Security Forces whether it was
volunteers of hatala and zaka and others
who rushed right into the danger and
that contrast that sh position is sort
of that story also until it regrouped in
this last year and what the Army has
done but 100% all around us are you know
I I always think of it as Ordinary
People leading extraordinary lives right
and and how I feel it more and I wonder
whether you see this or how it's
reflected in the in the ratio in the
book I definitely feel it more here than
I do outside of AR outside of Israel and
and maybe that's part of my
romanticizing Israel that on an ordinary
bus ride the person who maybe has the
the tum open or the Kish open or sitting
next to you is some extraordinary b or
somebody who who is a walking huge but
nobody even notices them or knows them
um lesso outside of Israel do you think
that's accurate or is that romanticized
vision from someone who lives outside of
Israel I don't know I've been here so
long it's hard for me to tell and this
is I definitely think that there is so
much in the world in which I live and so
many people but many of them are
products of American society they may
live here now let's say we were just
talking about revd Miller okay so he
grew up in America right he's a person
you can see you could talk to him you
know here's somebody who's always asking
himself the question what does a k want
from me at this moment and you see it
you see it um my wife tend tells me that
I'm an idealizer in other words I tend
to see people in rose-colored glasses
and I'm actually happy I do but my kids
told me when it came to shim I could
tell them I know
the parents the grandparents and I even
know one of the great
grandparents and they would ignore me
and then three months later they'd hear
that somebody on the shid list is a
friend of a of a friend's sister in baso
and then they'd be really willing to
listen to and I'd say what's going on
here he say
Abba you like everybody your
investigations discount you have no
credibility you have no credibility on
this and I think it's maybe the most
valuable lesson I've given to my kids
look for the good in everybody and look
for the good take it away and see how
you can apply it to your life and if you
do that right you're going to have a
happier life learn to smile at people
you know scientific studies show that
smiling is one of the great uplifts and
and the response that you get when you
smile at somebody and they smile back at
you and it and almost everybody smiles
back for sure and and and you feel that
they they also are lifted up there's
evidence scientifically smiling is as
contagious as a yawn the same way in a
room as a rabbi I know this well one
person yawns and it sets off a string of
yawning the same is true scientifically
you better get started with a good joke
got get people smiling and yeah so given
that you're this Optimist or idealist or
you see the best in people was it hard
to narrow down the profiles for the
book no I think you know most of them
are about people who are no longer
living uh most uh but I know that there
were articles that were left that I
simply didn't remember I've written over
2500 pieces over the years um some of
them are know some of these are very
dear to me and R Gusman napali Mand who
was a rebbi in in Baltimore but you've
thrown yourself into them you've
investigated them you've gone that time
somebody who I knew at or called me up
and said there was a great man who was
nifter here and I you know when I was
there interviewing in Baltimore
interviewing his kids and other
I felt like crying a lot of the time I
said how could I have never known
him and the uh then a friend of mine who
did know him well said oh but he knew
you he he used to comment when you when
the English yet Ted NE man started oh
now there's something here to read
so this is a way of connecting you can
you
know somebody is nifter and you can
write something about them somebody
unknown but when they're on sees
something in a book form it's just such
a wonderful way of
connecting if we would the problem is
that I travel a lot so when you travel
you or I used to travel a lot you you
meet new people and you throw yourself
into the the conversation always goes to
two or three in the morning the first
time I think you may remember our mozi
shabas conversation didn't I don't think
it went to three in the morning but it
can go a long
time
and the problem is then you're trying to
meet somebody new and you're trying to
think about the things you'd most like
to say about yourself so much of that is
in this book I say it's basically might
sa to my children and grandchildren and
great-grandchildren if batm they'll know
how to read English that uh
but you we don't do that with the people
around us in other words I've been in a
sheer every morning for more or less 20
years with some breaks here and there
and I don't we're a group we're
definitely a group as different as we
are we don't even see each other
socially so
much by and large but everybody has a
place in that group but you're not
looking in the same way you are when
you're meeting uh you know I remember
this with ran yakman and in in pic and
our conversations and many other
conversations with people I may never
have seen again but we have to learn to
be alert to the people around us to
learn curious to be curious about people
and would you recommend that you know
you're you're a writer with a big
platform like you said you've written
2500 articles you've written many books
what number of book are we up to I think
this is 13 13th book um you know the
average person is not necessarily
researching or writing as as a as a
rabbi you're constantly living life
looking for the druss story or the next
article idea but the average person
doesn't feel a need to do that um
there's so many people that I've I've
been mased to give a hesp of eulogy for
them and also as I'm sitting with the
family learning about the person I say
can't believe that I didn't know this
while they were alive I didn't make more
of an effort or I couldn't have spent
time with there was so much to learn
from them and I think for the average
person they are in a community they have
a neighbor or friend or someone else in
SHO that if only they'd be a little
curious about them if they' actually
turn off a device make some space shut
off the noise and listen there's so much
to learn so how how do you recommend
people go about that if they're not
going to do so with the agenda of
putting it into a book or an article but
do it only with the agenda of being an
OE St of learning and being curious
there's no doubt that being a there's no
doubt that being a writer helps I mean I
remember from the time that I
left stopped editing the yet man till
then I started writing RAB yakob R
desler Mike Tres they all I wrote about
seven books in the first 10 years
Lieutenant
bbam
but I didn't have any ideas for columns
when I didn't have to produce a column
every week there are other times I've
written three columns a week regularly
for different venues you get you you
have as many ideas as you need to have
so the writing is definitely a big
impetus one thing everybody can do is
learn to say thank you to the people who
had an influence on them it's good to
sometimes to get to wake up in the
morning and think what would I have done
if Miss Borman my e my AP English
teacher in high school and not flunked
me on my first essay senior year which I
had sent off to Harvard as my
application form I thought it was so
great and she said it was so miserable
and if all these people who took enough
interest in me to tell me you're not a
very good writer you don't know how to
punctuate you don't know how to dangling
participial phrases you know you
know but they thought you could get
better you know it's such a it's such a
it's a gift to be able to write but it's
not it's it's not something that it's
not fairy dust that's that's that just
sprinkled on you you work at it you read
you learn a lot and you get better but
you need some people who will tell you
you're not good enough you could get
better you could do better so just being
curious about the people who've gotten
us to where we are we tend to live life
only looking forward like what's next as
opposed to stopping and saying this is
the person helped get me where I
am well you know and of course one of
the dearest sections is that the chance
that I had to memorialize my parents I
always thought about my parents and my
my youngest brother
uh uh you know who passed away
young BM he put out an important book of
his own well it was published
posthumously but it
was raise of wisdom but it's collected
letters that he wrote to talim and mov
when they went back to University or
when they went back to the world I mean
he had finished second his class at Yale
and he he had a perspective on that that
very few people you won't get a ra you
won't your average Rabbi and in the ISA
is not going to have the same
perspective who hadn't worked with
wasn't a Greek classic civilizations
major and able to deal with how do you
relate to these things they're
not having a column is a big benefit but
learning how to everybody can learn to
be more sensitive to other to look right
to see and I hope I'll open people up to
that if my kids say to me that your
legacy is that uh is that we make more
friends or we look look for friends not
everybody needs to have hundreds of
friends uh and I don't I don't think I
need to have a hundred friends either
but everybody needs somebody that they
have a sprock with and there's so many
out there who are different so different
from one another I mean my best friend
in Kusa right now we met during covid
because we went to a 615 in 615 Minon in
the morning on
shabas which adhered to the various
separation requirements and then we
would sit we we started talking the
first shabas we were there and we found
out that we had a lot to talk about and
it went on for
hours and and I'd been living on the
same street with him for 25 years I mean
we were not in acquaintances we'
probably had a few conversations I knew
who he was but I didn't know he could be
such a great friend and I didn't know he
would be such a great Kusa
either there the nuggets are waiting
there to be discovered they're right
there of all the books that you've
written the personalities that you've
covered is there one that's your
favorite that jumps out from rakov no of
course no was a yeah did you read sure
because remember I interviewed you for
that and I think your story's in there
no I think so the story about not
wanting to go down
toat that's it so um of desler of yeah
all these when you're read when you're
writing
them uh the book your favorite is always
the one that you're writing at that time
I mean RAB yakob will always occupy a
special place in my in my heart because
it was the first and because I figured
out what I wanted to do with a biography
what is the purpose of a guttle
biography and the introduction there I
still use it whenever I say what should
be in a guttle biography so it got me
started and I had a Clear Vision uh I
mean I was a history major so it that's
always very dear to me and RAB Yakov was
of course such an attractive personality
and one of his is one of my closest
friends partly through that book because
he he helped me translate some of the
Yiddish interviews that have been done
by rev nen kinety there's a chapter in
the Mike Tres book where I found a a
trove of letters that had been written
by soldiers in the DP camps after the
war and and I realized that if I didn't
do something with these letters they
would never they would never be seen
again this was the last time they' be
seen much less come out and they told an
amazing story of the mistreatment uh of
uh of Jews who had survived somehow in
the in the in the uh DP camps but of
them coming back to life so that you
know that that chapter always has a
special resonance with me because I knew
I saved something from Oblivion it would
not have been known uh you know the last
two books R RB Noah and the Ruster book
so I'm a product of the Bal chuba
movement of the late 70s and for the
next 12 or 20 years and I was able to
basically
portray a tfan history of which I was it
wasn't just a tefa it was one which I
live through right it doesn't exist
anymore it's I mean if rev Schuster
would appear on the scene
today there would be very few people at
the Cotto for him to pick up it's a
different it's a different world
but so that's obviously very meaningful
for me to have been able to do that and
know everybody lives off of Mah so to
read through ressler's letters I mean
there are a lot of letters in volumes
four and five and uh it's it there's
none that that that I I don't have a lot
of hanov from but in different ways so
let's uh we can come back to but I want
to talk a little bit more globally or
broadly because one of the things that
draws me to you that I've always
appreciated about you is in a world that
is so bifurcated that people fit neatly
into boxes that they're tribal that
they're part of a camp that they tow a
line you always come across to me is
very nuanced and your column over the
last year in mishak for example has not
hesitated to memorialize heroic soldiers
who've lost their lives to speak loly
about them or their families that you
have featured um personalities who may
not be from the same camp that you're
part of by Taran I remember you you
wrote
about he's fantastic I do too but we
live in a world where um as much as in
the Progressive woke world there's a
fear of being canceled or there's the
cancelling movement in The Firm world
there's also a very big cancelling
movement and people are very afraid if I
say this if I allude to that if I
reflect that then you know the mob the
zealots the canarm are going to come
after me they're going to cancel me and
and you have identified for a long time
as with the K world and for a period
where the spok person in some ways of
the world in your bio I think back when
you came to boa still you were trying to
represent eloquently articulately
compellingly some of the policies or
approaches of the Ki world who didn't
have somebody who had the vocabulary to
do that or the sensitivity or Nuance to
be able to do that so I think that you
have Nuance you don't fit neatly in even
if you identify with or put your
children through a particular world but
as much as on October 8th there was this
almost unprecedented Aus In Our Lifetime
in the weeks and months and now more
than a year that's passed since then a
lot of those energies of of divisiveness
have reintroduced obviously surrounding
the issue of serving in the Army an
enormous enormous enormous one even less
than that I shouldn't say less but
different than that is a sense some
people have of the world even if they're
not ready to to transform and to begin
to serve which would be a radical
radical shift but do they feel the
sympathy and the empathy ransi we both
admire just wrote a I think incredibly
powerful and I thanked him I didn't use
the word courage because that would I'm
not in a person place to thank him for
that part but I thanked him for writing
it because he made that exact point why
can't K newspapers feature profiles on
soldiers Benet Torah and not who gave
their lives why don't people feel that
sympathy you mentioned D Miller I saw
him yesterday coming out of a Shiva call
David Miller my rebbi Mari vabi one of
the most extraordinary people that I
know Meo and and he said he said to me
and he's almost unsolicited he just
wanted to share and I hope it's okay I'm
repeating he listed off three or four
recent Simas in his family of the birth
of children great grandchildren great-
grandchildren and and and engagements
and he said as much as I have all these
Simas I don't feel them fully because
I'm broken I'm broken and and that so is
the average person the community feeling
that Brokenness I don't mean the fear of
when Sirens go off did this T did was it
reflected if God forbid God forbid God
forbid 1,200 people in Lakewood or M or
Pak would have died in a pagum last year
would anyone in have had Tor as usual or
would they have paused to introduce
something to reflect so because it
happened in Israel with all of the so
I'm not putting you on the spot or
expecting you to be able to stand here
represent everyone K world is a big
place and a lot of of segments of it has
it been hard for you who's a person who
identifies with a community but lives
with a Nuance to feel connected to
reflect to feel responsible for how do
you sort of make so I always look for
the models Ain Lansky I consider the
wisest person I love no so his article
didn't surprise me um you know everybody
has seen the clip of RAB Asha Weiss
talking about the my children's
dermatologist grandson who lost three
limbs I believe um and whom I continue
to D in for every day and talking about
the shilas that were asked you know we
I've written about the uh R from alone
raon R remon and the shilas that I I
have a whole column of the kinds of
shilas that he's imped but there in
rasher Weiss was talking about the
shilas that he was asked about where to
how to put on toiling and so forth I
don't have to be embarrassed about
anything because if rasher wise who's a
velt gone and uh uh
and and as long as I have my models and
and I know that I'm within I don't have
to be in the consensus of everybody you
know the olm is always a little bit of a
Golem but when I think I'd like to know
that I pass this on to my children when
my grand when my son-in-law told me that
my grandson who's 18 years old in Kon
Yesa a little bit independent minded any
event but uh has been fasting every uh
Monday and Thursday since
you know since the beginning of the war
you know that was exciting to me I have
a daughter-in-law who cooks every week
for soldiers and I'm also very involved
in an organization called kesher UD
which you you know from The Columns now
my wife and I have been present both at
a shabbaton for hostage families and and
families of hostages and a shabbaton for
survivors of the Nova Festival but
they've done three shabat tones and that
was all financed by almost one Jew in
America who's put almost a half a
million dollar I don't know exactly the
figures but I would say close to half a
million dollars in providing shabbatones
and if you would see some of the clips
of people there with you know Rings
through their noses and so forth and
what this is meant to them and they just
we were just
atos and and most Tor but they had done
a pror in in the hotel and they told me
that the bidding was there the the
survivors of Nova were bidding for Aliah
with how many shabbatot they were going
to keep there is so much potential in
this country there's a real
Awakening there's a real Jewish
Awakening on campuses in America there's
an Awakening I mean as one Rabbi put it
from uh in the OR program at
NYU uh somebody said to them if they
hate us this much there must be much
more to Judaism than uh than locks and
bagels absolutely and and and I think
that
anti-Semitism is one of the most
powerful tools it's you know you take
the fact that we are the smallest people
we've been hated for 3,000 years in
every different form and it takes it's
always fluid and changing shape-shifting
uh hatred but it's always there or
waiting there I mean I didn't know that
growing up never expected to see
anything like what we've seen I mean
these are my the playgrounds in which I
was comfortable and happy and excited
and intellectually H nurtured had become
bastions of of insanity my you know my
grandfather already a slon andorn
grandfather went to Harvard and so that
this these places have become what they
have what they have is almost it's
almost unfathomable to to to me but and
that we're the only people in the world
that can still Trace itself you know if
we would walk into the Bas magician Puma
we would still be able to partake in the
discussion there that we can trace
ourselves back so far in our identity is
clear there's no other people on the
face of the Earth so we're the most
hated and we're the only ones who exist
this this is a powerful Tool uh one of
the
former rafo Shore who's done about 19
films has just done a new film and
produced a new book uh where he says
he's coming our show to talk about it
show it m you've seen it you've seen I
haven't seen it he's coming to boa it's
very it's very important uh I used to
give a speech called an Optimus
anti-Semitism and Optimist view they see
they hate us because they feel our
chosenness shouldn't we also tune into
that but he says if you want to
understand anti-Semitism you have to
read mine comp and and he does a pretty
compelling case of showing how that is
the case that there's a cosmic War
Robert wistrich told me that everybody
who set out to destroy the Jewish people
almost immediately no matter
how if the sh
was with them they went down the minute
that Hitler at the wzi conference
decided that they were going to wipe out
all the Jews in the world he started
making one bad decision after another to
go into Russia instead of first taking
care of England and so forth
inexplicable decisions let them go at
Dunkirk and inexplicable decisions but
you see that this it it it's it's it's
an it's an amazing it's an amazing story
and we and they are waking up you know
the the college maor the maor I think is
on 20 campuses and and uh they said they
can't they don't have enough room they
don't have enough staff they can't
handle all kids who are seeking Shelter
by them but they're also seeking to
learn and then they want to know
I want to identify as a Jew Josh fredman
who you probably know lives in raat B
sheemish he's given away 8,000 pairs of
its filling I'm sure a 100 at least come
from bokeh maybe a thousand but uh you
know he's given away 8,000 and those are
only to soldiers who are committed to
putting them on yeah if we could get
Beyond some of the the the political
issues the chances for spreading Torah
in a Israel so are you frustrated by
that are you frustrated by on both sides
leadership I'm not talking about
necessarily not necessarily gum but
political leaders there seem to be
people who have made a living off of the
division and are very dug in on ensuring
that ideologies are not confused or
overlapped or or corrupted whereas you
know if we could get to the people there
are extraordinary demonstrations which
coming back to your book is is really
what it's about of of the ability to
find common ground to love each other to
work together to find Solutions instead
of focusing on on problems are they
intractable are is there no solution
what what's going to be it's a different
time it is a different time I mean what
you learned uh R Tamar granot who's a
Rosa of hez Intel I think a musically
oriented hezar Yesa said the other day
we all believed for a long time that we
didn't really need the Kum in the Army
but you know it's a difference in kind
when reservists are serving 300 days
even if you come back shalm in body at
least not injured not wounded not
killed but the strain that this puts on
families is is unbelievable but I think
you know the the the story that really
captures what could be done and has been
done and by people who are alert to it
there's a woman who is one of the
leaders of the hostage families named uh
Shelly Shel
shemtov there was a clip of
her literally
screaming at the kar in in Tel AV that
don't you understand this didn't happen
Stam my om is not in Gaza for nothing
he's om because we were fighting with
each other for a
year the D so SEL Schneider who's been
running a program which
works with all the
30e the pre induction academies for
almost 10 years
now uh saw this and she just went down
to the kar in
telev to give her a hug and from that
came you know at the first shabbaton I
think 70
hostages members of Hostage family
signed up to have a regular Kusa Beneath
The Sur surface there's so much that can
be done and any I mean ranski is Right
anyone who doesn't show who doesn't feel
who doesn't know when when you learn if
you're
inona at the very least feel
that that you're a helic of this do I
have the right to go out to do this
thing to to to go on a tour but you know
one of the things that was most powerful
they took a group of uh I I suspect
non-religious Jews to see ritak kadow
he's the son-in-law of the of
R and his wife show them he's been
sleeping on a board for since the
beginning of the war uh R doin Miller
told me yesterday that R Farin one of
the Rosas of Kon comes into the Bas M
every day and when he recites to he him
he's
sobbing the big people always
identified they always identified and
and you know I have a piece there about
ravak you know who he could do an
operation without
anesthesia be because he didn't want to
be left unable to learn but when he
heard about the two masok Kim the two
helicopters that collided and 76 boys
were killed it was inconsolable one of
the advantages of the guttle biographies
that I've written maybe this is maybe
their greatest Merit see the way Arab
yakob looked at the the Jewish people
thought about every Jew how rev desler
rev desler didn't sleep on a bed during
the whole War period he didn't sleep in
a bed he traveled from one place to
another Rago F movitz uh had his fatal
heart attack while benching and when he
got to
V over thinking of the siege of that
Jerusalem was over these are the real
these are the people so who am I to say
that we're an orphan generation but it
feels like we're we're lacking a little
bit of that leadership today because the
during war the war those statements that
demonstration and you're describing but
it's not as well known and you know yes
the privilege have relationship with
went went to the gush B Med and gave a
eulogy for a who was killed who he was
close with you know unafraid but there
and rasher Weiss and I think they've
even paid a price for for the in
the armor or for demonstrating that
might perceive as crossing a line or or
a camp it's sad and and and we need to
celebrate more those types of leaders
and recognize and and again without
pointing fingers at others each of us in
our own way be able to recognize in
others uh the good but but those forces
that energies we know everything I I
think that we don't know everything
that's being being done even of those
who you might say Well they're not doing
enough about this I mean Rd landow is
considered one of the two leaders of the
world
today
um he wrote and I think this is a little
bit of Justice he said you know we want
to we want to talk to the Army we first
of all we need to protect ourselves you
know my son lives in akak it's next to
lud lud is a town filled with lots of
guns lots of Arabs and akak is
unprotected we should have our own civil
defense there's so much work that needs
to be done in a civil defense capacity
there are so many things that can be
done he says we can't but it doesn't
matter what the Army agrees to I mean
rev Gran said yesterday the armies made
lots of mistakes over the years the Army
made lots of mistakes and anyone who
would you know see they're they're
trying to force
on uh women singing as if it was a
priority or mixed battalions as if they
were priorities they what David fandel
TS about is the heliz of our soldiers
there the Army's made lots of mistakes
but the Army wants to be Makin or there
are those in the Army certainly who want
to be Makin are you hopeful the optimism
in you that you described before is
there optimism that says whether now or
in the aftermath There's an opportunity
to write a new chapter and to you can't
start from scratch but basically say
what would it need to look like and are
there enough interest on both sides to
create what it would need to look like
in order to find a solution to this well
don't Jews have to be hopeful I mean we
do believe in Messiah we do believe that
history is moving to an end we we are
helpful I mean I have a friend of mine
who was called up once and he was
interviewed his health profile and then
the person said and what's your
religious identity and uh he said well
you guess and he said well I'm guessing
that
you're uh this man is now he in his late
80s and still learning every day you
know with a Bren in the in the Sha he
says uh and he said why did you say that
he says you're really optimistic you
know Believers are optimistic we are
optimistic I believe in the in the
Jewish people um I've you know been
involved enough behind the scenes with
people who had a breath of vision and I
I didn't even include ramosa Shar when I
was talking about the biographies who
had a breath of vision uh and that's my
job is to bring out that breadth of
vision and to demonstrate it too you
know one of the things on October 7th
one of the people who went down just
picked up his rifle and went down was a
guy named yair Golan the leader of the
opposition in the in the knesset
um and a person who said awful things
about the Judah he's called the settlers
Judah Judo nais and he said some awful
things but in the end of the day he also
picked up his gun and went down to
defend uh one of the kibuts not to to to
rescue them them uh we always have to
look at the good I remember one of the
leaders of the labor party once you know
who somebody whose politics were
somewhat anathema to me
but you know I started reading something
about Abram Rabinowitz had a book on the
on the I guess it was on the yamer war
and how he pulled himself he you know he
had his arm practically blown off and
pulled himself into three different
tanks when the tank that he was in was
disabled he pulled himself into another
we always have to remember who these
people are what they've sacrificed who
these H you know when they have
150% showing up for for milim many of
them people who have been living in
America for 15 years yeah you just look
for the good you know we had um one of
our KAS Bon a young man who grew up in
our community who had served in the Army
his parents are Israeli but he's been
he's been out for several years but when
he heard the news October 7th you know
the first flight the next day he came he
rejoined and he spent the last 10 months
fighting in Gaza and in Lebanon and he
was back in bokeh and we made him one of
the Kasam and in addition to the on the
beima where we get as alah they lifted
him on a chair with AA over him and
people were waving flags and singing
am yeah it was so powerful and there was
a there was Aid at the airport when the
first reservists were going back paying
for every ticket for everybody who was
going back um there's a lot more
identification than you think I remember
used to go into the 16th Avenue tells
minion in the morning in uh in uh
burough Park and people would ask me
what's the latest news from AR Isel but
I realized that they were better
informed than me that half these people
sit at work with ar cheva on their radio
I mean they're businessmen but they sit
with aruch cheva on they're you know on
the hour they're listening all the time
they're completely involved it is you
know just to remember that we are part
of a people and that everybody is part
of that you know the basic lessons that
were all in this together that if the
Iranians get a nuclear
weapon you know and they call the Israel
a one bomb country you know we're all in
this together we have to we have to find
a way out of this you know one of the
most hopeful statements that I always
quote in my lectures on the k Community
is that trends that can't continue
forever won't I mean it's an it's a
statement made by a famous economist but
it's it's applicable to everything
societies change all societies change
there's always a pendular motion and
then a Readjustment we're not the same
world we were in in in but it's good to
know that in the 1948 war
in lots of Rosa's Sons also fought you
know raat s the r of of Kon one of the
visiter Ser visiter Reb's sons was
people you know there was no choice you
have to be at the battlements and we
have to find some way to limit this uh
the burden un reservist uh not everybody
stays in Yeshiva forever you know the
burden under which they face but you
then but you need some prior military
training to be of any use you can't just
walk into Lebanon do you find in your
writing do you get censored or do you
have to self-censor one of the things
again I appreciate about your articles
is you'll come back from a conference
you'll reference and you'll quote
non-religious Jews non-jews you'll
reference articles and
in in Legacy Media in America newspapers
who I don't even like to mention their
name in front of the AR kodesh but
you're not afraid to incorporate those
into your into your writings do you get
censored ever to say hey whoa this is a
certain type of a of a magazine or I
don't want to pick on Mish I love is
there elsewhere or do you self censor
are you worried about your children
grandchildren getting if oh you knowum
is a is a is a but he's not so look what
he's reading look who he's quoting look
at the idea he's exposed to look who
he's exposing others to have you gotten
censored do you have to self censor I
have I have my old friend naan slifkin
who always likes to go through my
writings and out me as not really k or
something like that I'm I'm I'm always
out of the closet to some extent and you
know one po ISU of mish one of the the
the then M of the magazine said my my
job here is to make sure that Yos and
Ros Moon doesn't get us closed down so
but I don't find you know I find that my
fellow writers are pretty broadminded
the editor sha freedan is one of the
brightest best R people whom I know I uh
but I think we do
learn we all learn how to put our
messages in a in a different fashion
sometimes we one of my brothers once
said to me he said
Jonathan my youngest
brother he said to me
you think nobody figures out what you're
saying believe me there are plenty of
people who are on to you don't think
that sure don't think that you're
whatever
uh heterodox views you have are
not not known and people say to me uh
things like who gives you the right to
write about this I have had people stop
me I had a a young man from brisk at my
own table asked me who's your D Tor
who's your D T so I said you know he had
invited himself to come for uh so
finally I said RAB Lansky so one of my
sons who was at the table he says Abba
you have to have that answer faster took
too long took too long took you too long
but don't invite him back again this is
not somebody you want in your house yeah
but you know that in itself is a
reflection a little bit of our time your
life experience and your journey and
your relationship with big people helps
you understand when you need to check
whether you're pushing the envelope when
you're comfortable being a big person
yourself big enough person yourself to
publish something and some of the
younger that this generation is living
in a world like I say of these boxes and
absolutes and and a lot of fear a lot of
uh insecurity religious insecurity so
sometimes it's ignorance too you know my
one of my sons once said to me when he
was learning in the mirror you know
already as an a he said to me you know
we're not anti-zionist the only real
anti-zionists are these Americans they
come here and they just spout things but
they don't know what they're talking
about they and they're really they're
for Brent but they're for Brent because
it's just ideology to them it's not it's
not the people on the street they're not
they're not involved uh one of my sons
said to me listen there are many people
who want to stay K but they also want to
be part of Israeli Society I don't know
what the percentages are I'm not I'm not
a sociologist I haven't done the
research but you know I I listen a lot
to what my kids tell me he said and part
of the markers of being a member of
Israeli Society is at some point Army
service now that one is
doing milim now but he's in law school
why shouldn't he be doing milim it's not
a pure that you once learn fulltime Inon
Yesa if you're now in law school and and
was it controversial that he did Army
service or he's doing me does that does
that make him not a member of the k
Community that alone for sure not I mean
I don't know if he's still ident
identifies as a member of the Ked
Community um but in our building we had
at least 10 in our one single building
in harof and I think all the parents
would probably identify themselves as K
but there were at least 10 boys in the
building who have served in the Army
many who did
n so I'm obviously we're an outlier to
some extent that wouldn't be true in my
daughter's you know neighborhood in
babra
uh but you know
a number of my children tried to enlist
and were not successful they weren't
taken for one reason or another
um that
desire and I I think it's I think it's
it's certainly positive I I mean not
that I think that a person who's
really you know ligging and learning and
is is you know one pushing the envelope
furthest in the K World probably is my
friend Yeshua feffer
yeah but on the other hand I don't think
his sons I don't think I'm not 100% sure
I don't think that they went into the
army I mean I'm sure they're brilliant
and I'm sure that they're you know top
students and so forth but I never had it
that conversation with him because you
know that's a conversation we each have
to make our individual decisions and our
children have to make theirs because we
don't make them for them that's true
there's there's a lot to be optimistic a
lot to look for the ordinary greatness
around us and those people that General
attitude that you have and that comes
across in in your writing in your column
that we're so grateful for is important
and and hopefully we can turn off some
of the noise and in fact just focus on
on the people and the good things and
the trends and and hopefully there's a
positive there's a reset a reboot to CLA
Isel
Amel that's happened in many ways this
Awakening that you're describing where
where can people find the new book well
Bel Time online is probably the easiest
you know I I didn't take a major
publisher um you know somebody I didn't
take a major publisher and it turns out
to sell books you have to get shelf
space in the book in the bookstores and
for that you need to be either art
scroll I mean in some ways Rabbi Sherman
surprised me he said we would have been
happy to take this book and I said you
told me the last time you published
previously published works that had sold
seven copies he said you would have been
different but and you know there's a big
thing the the advertising apparatus but
feldheim online you know
feldheim online Amazon
but and and in your local bookstore I
want to help the local bookstores I'd
like the local bookstores to be there
but uh if I got this if you know if this
message gets across and I consider
myself well satisfied even if it's only
a SAA for my grandchilden it will be
good enough but uh we're looking forward
thank you for this book thank you for
all your writing and all your work your
optimism your smile your positivity and
thank you for letting us go behind the
Bea with you today thank you it's a real
pleasure