#113: Behind the Bima - Abie Rotenberg

Boca Raton Florida rabbis Ephraim Goldberg Philip Moskowitz and Josh Brody are taking you behind the bema the BRS Rabbi schmooz about contemporary issues and talk to special guests who give up behind the scenes look at how they got to where they are and what keeps them going welcome to behind the bema good evening it's 9pm on Wednesday night coming to you live right from Goldberg with my dear friend co-host and colleague Rabbi Joshua Brody and we're here to take you behind the bema behind the bema [Music] the big night tonight we got a big yes someone we love happens someone who had a big impact wow [Music] man moves you unbelievable the great Abe Rottenberg our guest tonight song composer author singer all around incredible incredible person whose songs I don't know they move me they move you changed my life Game Changer the great ABIA Rottenberg Rabbi Brody what's your favorite song I have so many I have so many but I gotta say that probably the one we're singing right now we've been singing it for the last almost 25 years of a shinantham is so it's uh it's become like the theme song to our program I love it but there's so many I guess how many accurately they're all great they're unbelievable amazing you know we're singing every week also you know the sign of a great composer is when everyone's singing his Melodies and songs they don't even know it's from him you don't even know hamallah these are all his songs yeah what about all the English songs like they're just the memories I mean there's there's like unbelievable time to say Good Shabbos conversations in the womb time to say good job is Joe DiMaggio's card Mama Rocco yeah unbelievable ride the train come on and ride the train come on and ride that's one of the first songs yeah the weddings who am I you shall I am Yeshiva charade yeah the pace like Blues the man from The Man from vilna it's unbelievable unbelievable atheist convention in L.A yeah just go down the list so we did a poll we did a Twitter poll many many people answered and here is the answer the question what is your favorite a b Rottenberg collection because also has many collections Vegas Journeys live in effish marvelous middos machine and we left one off eish he had a whole series called aish we left that one off no offense ish the Vegas Journeys live in FS marvelous middos machine and here were the poll results I'm assuming can I say what I think it is I gotta go with the Vegas give me the order Vegas coming in number one you think I would say the Vegas is number one uh you know what the people answering this are probably younger than us so they don't even know to Vegas no Jacob's not number one number one was Journeys 54.2 54.2 came out with Journeys the English songs and Journeys number two was 30.5 with Vegas okay what do you think was number three machine really coming in with 11.9 and lastly leave enough fish only 3.4 percent not that many people necessarily heard of of levinefish I'm pretty sure that if you put out the songs instead of the the albums or the bands more people are gonna go with the songs from the Vegas they just don't know that that's him they don't know it's the Vegas they don't know it's a b Rottenberg when you list off all the Hebrew songs the people are singing [Applause] thank you [Music] [Applause] there's another song this song is a game changer it's a game changer it doesn't include this song what up that's on leaving average by the way oh it is my name is 11 Jefferson let's leave enough fish what else what else who cares about type I'll tell you you know this one come on and ride the train Journeys too ride and ride the train this is one of the most moving ones do you know this one 's given a tire you just about this song [Music] the man from Vilma [Music] what a song What A Story there's a modern python the modern poet Ry Rottenberg we're gonna bring him on scene for an amazing conversation I can't wait I'll just say that you know there are certain interviews I get very excited for this might be like the top top five maybe top three but not because I've never met him I've never spoken to him [Music] hugs on your heartstrings yeah try not to cry when you listen to his music so uh I got people several people texting when they saw a random money people are texting me is a young man I don't embarrass my mom's permission he was here once the Boca Raton Synagogue winter Cola which is going on again right now why you and Lander students in their intercession learning at Yu and Landers come down to boogerton synagogue we host a winter coal at our shul we're excited the winter KOLO Roche KOLO is happens to be the Russia Yeshiva South Florida we own 11. so this young man came down a couple years ago for the winter Colo he's a songwriter himself he wrote a great song that I love should I play his song a little bit but he wrote a song that I love anyway he sent me he was a Madrid and this is why I called past summer and uh his what he taught on ncsy summer listen to this I got I gotta read to you he taught a curriculum based on a b Rottenberg he unbelievable what's this I said he wrote To Me uh so you're having me around writing the podcast and I want to share with you Nancy so I call her with you this past summer were based on his journey albums would listen to a song discuss it together and spend the week learning once again another in which paralleled the song's lyrics that amazing did he ever share that with Amy no so I sent it to a B I sent it to him it was blown away the young man who did that this is his song those those who know if you know you know it's another great song no I'm on the shovel so probably feels connected to AB and to uh because he's a songwriter himself it's a great song recruited an entire curriculum based on the Journey songs English song tell them to give a kabur the Shabbos and then he would teach the ideas the values the Torah the corresponded that inspired those songs in 80. I sent it to adrianburg was born oh I loved it yeah anyway amazing stuff maybe Rottenberg we're gonna bring him out in a moment but before remember Brody what's going on talk to us live what's going on there's a lot going on right now there's a lot of good things I don't know what a lot of to say not allowed to say but let's just say there's exciting things going on since the last time we spoke you know yeah let me just find out what kind of permissions I got before I started announcing things but uh good things it's all good things we're all happy and uh it's exciting okay God thank God you know I'm like we're we're in a good place but uh can I just tell you one thing that I'm thinking about in terms of ab Schomberg and his music sure as a musician I get to to get to maybe express some things which I don't often get to do with the sports people and all those great great things going on in the world but but there's something about his music I can't explain it where you got the the songs right we always like to hear the great the group The Great uh you know uh called the verse right something that catches you just when you think you're you know wow this is where's this going you come in with this powerful chorus it's like if you if you remember I don't know if you were doing NCS why back in high school but just picture the scene right so you got this dark room it's Abdullah it's it's whatever it might be that comes it's and then all of a sudden they're playing and it's just it's the band it's a full band you it was the guys that played with like the shama Orchestra they were the guys playing and then as a teenager you know I was just watching MTV back then and you know you live watching all whatever music videos and then these guys it's like out of nowhere it's like thunder it's like it it pulls at your at your music your music it's powerful it pulled me in I'm telling you it pulled me in I didn't expect that to happen and it was all his music that's why I'm so excited about this music's a time machine also transports you back in time when you hear songs you remember where you were when you heard them the page on the boss Camp school life yeah it's an amazing time machine I'll tell you something make myself vulnerable for a moment which I want to do but I often will at a wedding be dancing and they're selling out the music I'm like struggling not to I get choked up even by dancing in a wedding there's just something that's exciting your feet are moving the beat the Rhythm you and I I spoke about in the amunisher this morning and I actually did start crying we were at a wedding together on Sunday yeah beautiful family beautiful college it was so Labor Day there was such energy the floor of the hall was literally shaking it's possible we almost slid into the decade possible we should be benching gomo like it was not clear that the that this floor was going to withstand the level of energy of these young people was not clear yeah I thought this morning at the I want to share that there was one point in particular that I just was so moved by where all these young people when the band started playing gishmak to be a yid and they went crazy jumping singing dancing and and you know whatever questions or challenge changes concerns you have for this generation and for Judaism today when you see hundreds of kids young people they're jumping and bouncing they're hopping they're bopping and they're screaming at the top of their lungs it's gishmak to be a year gives you Faith gives you hope yeah gives you comfort gives you strength it's powerful and it's with music music's what makes the move nobody stops and thinks about it nobody had a pep rally nobody put them in a huddle nobody made an announcement please it's just they can't help it it's just how you react it's just what you feel music has that ability it has that ability it's incredible and especially the people that you don't ordinarily ordinarily see or expect to be dancing and you see how they get swept up in the moment it's just so exciting you're not the only one right by Brody you know I said to a few people we're having baby Rottenberg behind the Beamer this week what's your favorite I'd be Rottenberg song they're like I don't know what are songs I'm like you ever hear of ajeno you have a hero like what yeah everybody heard of it yeah you just don't realize you know every great class classic song from back in the day well you know it's time to bring him on we could talk afterwards what makes him great but super exciting great opportunity please join us as we welcome the great idea on Berg what a pleasure how exciting it is to be sitting and go behind the beam with a great A.B Rottenberg somebody who's had an influence not only Amanda by Brody but on so many of us the songs that we sing the songs that have moved us the songs we grew up on and that continue to inspire in real time maybe it's wonderful to see you again thank you for going behind the bema with us well thank you for having me it's nice to be with you so here's my opening question what I want to come out with the gate with there are so many songs the Hebrew songs the comsit songs The Melodies that are used on yamam no rhyme in a typical Shabbos they're a b Rottenberg they're de vacas the devekas phase of your life and they're part of the fabric of who we are and and you've reached a certain iconic status of people not even knowing they're your songs which on one hand I'm sure maybe is is not a pleasurable thing but on the other what a status that the tunes are so The Melodies are so ubiquitous and they're everywhere that people don't even necessarily associate them with you and then there's the other part of the a b Rottenberg the English the poems the prose the English that that move us so deeply I let my wife and I let a trip to Poland several years ago the shoe we took 40 people mostly second generation I'll never forget it was such a powerful trip one of the most powerful moments we got back on the bus and I don't know what compelled me but I played memories I played memories into the microphone over the over the bus and I turned around round and there wasn't a dry eye on the bus we had just finished I don't remember it was Auschwitz mydonic Treblinka touring a concentration camp and and there wasn't a dry eye so my opening question coming out of the gate uh when you look back and you think forward what what are you most proud of is it the Hebrew songs the Hebrew melodies the Comsat songs is it the English The Poetry the prose that gave language and that gave a voice to such deep deep feelings people have what excites you or what are you more proud of or where are you looking next in terms of those two genres of what you do I I think I I'm proud of of everything I think I'm very very thankful to their bonus column because you know I I really it's not a question of taking credit uh coach who gave me uh gave me a talent that that I don't know why you chose me but he chose he chose to to me to be a Messenger for for music and to be able to influence people with with with Melodies um it's very gratifying it's very rewarding to to walk into a wedding and hear your song being played at a hoppo or in a shul and somebody's using it for you know it's very very gratifying um anybody who tells you otherwise is is not being honest with you it's very gratifying I'm sure that when you go here you go to hear somebody's Russia and they quote rabbia from Goa I heard from remember it's it's nice to be quoted it's nice to be recognized it's a it's a it's a basic human emotion a human it's part of our our DNA so there's certainly something I'm proud of but I'm very thankful that that I was chosen to be Sharia but in terms of what I'm most proud of I would probably say the English songs because you know the the effort that goes into writing a song with original an original idea and making that original idea come to life through words and and and and then you still have to put a song to it you still have to put a a Melody to it you know and cloak it in a Melody so I would say from saraga a lot more effort than would go into something like that than simply taking a from David I'm Allah and writing a which which many many people can do and they do it wonderfully and I'm not trying to say that it's easy to do or that it's not hard work sometimes in that area as well but it doesn't it pales in comparison to the work that's necessary to write an original song and put music to it so the follow-up question to that because you mentioned that that you feel the words and then you have to find the melody and you know this is a question we've asked many and I'm sure you've been asked many times which comes first is it that there's a Melody that all of a sudden you're tinkering on the piano and it it comes out and then you find the right words to put to it or that you've written this poem and maybe there's a difference between the English and the Hebrew is it that you wrote some poem in English and now you say I've I've communicated I've expressed this this is from my heart what music what Melody how do I give this music so let's start with the Hebrew song so the Hebrew song certainly works both ways when I wrote hamala I sat down with those words and the melody came to me for those words I think the same for akhenu but let's say an Imam in Andre because we had the tune for a while label Scharf had actually found the words and and put put that into those words so it works it works both ways um in the English songs I think it certainly Works where the words come first and then you find a tune that'll that'll fit but I think even with the English songs while you're writing the words something is floating around in your mind maybe not necessarily the exact notes but certainly the Rhythm the Cadence um the type of song minor major happy slow sad fast so you have an inkling of where you want to go with the music maybe not the exact notes so I think with the English songs you don't simply take a nigging around and put words to it that's very unusual that would be unusual at least for me I think many people have said to me here's a niggan I wrote this to him can you please put English words to it and I say I'm sorry it doesn't work that way for me do people send you a lot of their music either for feedback or asking you to adopt it adapt it I do get you know quite a few people you know but but people send me songs that I should record and I tell them you know I I really try to do my own stuff so for the most part so but every once in a while I've gotten either submissions and for lyrics or submissions for music that have resonated with me and and and we've recorded other people's uh material but it's rare it's very rare right wow I am so excited right now I just want to just tell you how excited I am I'll tell you why because you know growing up when I moved to America I was 10 years old got involved in ncsy where are you from from New Jersey from Elizabeth no South Africa from South Africa Cape Town okay yeah we didn't have a lot of Jewish music growing up she moved to America from New Jersey to New York down to in town so you know where there was the comsitz or the havdala and I'm telling you I wasn't interested in Jewish music I wasn't interested in probably a lot of things Jewish at that time but there was something about every shabbaton that just kept drawing me back I said I gotta go I love the music I didn't have tapes I didn't have they certainly didn't have CDs back in in the late 80s when all this music was coming out so I didn't know to Vegas I Didn't Know Abe Rottenberg I just knew the songs yeah and every song and and I love the music so much I loved watching the musicians play all the mark in the field some of the great you know from from back in the day I started learning how to play the drumsy events these are all shabbatons where they spent it was it was hours of just singing it was was the child should us it was and I'm telling you I can't explain how that perhaps I'm thinking about it now it's all coming together it just put me on this track where I just got excited about it and you know it's even a joke now whenever whenever we have a comes it's I also play guitar whatever comes it's at the show and we come up with a set list of what we're going to play everyone makes fun of me I'm like I'm stuck in the 80s every one of these songs every one of them had such an incredible impact so yeah so so so so I'm just wondering you know you the the music that you created and that touched our souls and it's so incredible why don't I see a lot of that I don't feel that in the same way with the music that's coming out today what's changed there's definitely something that's changed I felt it because I felt it and it wasn't Carl Bach other people into other types of music and that's great but there's something about the music that you wrote I didn't realize all these songs were you everyone I don't have another person I don't know who else they were amazing or put a little bit differently where does it come from in you that other people don't have what is it that you think the depth of your neshama that's producing that's singing these songs that's producing these songs what is it can can it be put in words what is it in you that others struggle to find that place in them you know what I don't know the answer and even if I did I wouldn't say it you know I'd leave that up to other people to say about me if I if I thought that I had an answer I like I said before I just feel blessed that that I sit down and you know either try to write a in or I try to write it again to certain words you know I certainly did that back in the day before I started writing in English even today I'll sit down sometimes at the piano just with a musical thought and and try to develop it and and and take it where it goes I have no idea I really don't know everybody's experiences in life and whether they had ups and downs and struggles and pain and and and and and and depth and situations everybody's molded by what they went through you know and I don't it's nothing particular that I could say I know uh why why I was chosen to be a shlia something in my life that affects my use I I can't answer that question do you have concerns about the direction Jewish music has headed in or are you there's such beautiful things they're like Josh that as much as you say you're you're you're you're still rooted in the 80s I think every person every person has a decade or two decades where the music of that period is the one that that is dear to their hearts everybody and and today's Young you know it's the music of today but 20 years from now 30 years from now there's got to be musical always changes music shifts music's it's like water it doesn't stay in one it's got a Flow It's gotta move it's got to change yeah and and and and and you those those were the years when you were growing growing in your Yiddish guy you were that music meant so much to you and and and it'll never change it'll always be the most precious to you you'll hear a now and then that maybe sounds a little bit like that time period and that'll resonate with you today let's say I'm sure you love uh [Music] that's one song in 20 years okay but but it evokes that period of time and it's that style right yeah and it's a classic song and it's wonderful and we sing it at our table and it and it's beautiful and it's to me it's wonderful as well and there are songs today that kids 20 years from now 30 years so I'm gonna look back and say why can't today's music be like it was in the 2020s that may not resonate with us because we're still stuck in the 80s and 90s or 70s right but it'll it'll mean they'll have the same question you'll have strangely it's a different answer than we've received because you're saying essentially don't have judgment about someone else's decade right even though our decade we think is the most authentic the most genuine the most real the most true the most elevated don't be in Judgment of someone else's decade let them have their decade they'll look back in a few years you've counted for their decades change it it is what it is my father my father grew up in Europe and like you could say what's not to like about cowboy songs are all so so wholesome and so basic and so beautiful and this now I'll tell you a story good friend of mine his father was a Polish a year ago with an ear for music he was about to feel about curry with a real girl Tiana Yiddish he would Lane and sure I took me years to get used to his Yiddish when I moved to Toronto and and my friend who's my age loved and he had a a record player in his room and his father used to tell him close the door if you're playing that record so much Loma but he was from Europe he came from Poland and he couldn't listen to slow it bothered him it hurt his ears should my friend told me one time he was passing by the door and he heard shlomacaba singing [Music] so that was the one cowboy song that he heard that she thought Nick came from a holy place and his music was so so so different than than secular music but yet it wasn't appropriate for the ears of somebody who grew up in Poland and who grew up in the courts of radomskin and Gare and those kind of things so it'll be the same thing going on for for forever and ever what you grew up with and what molded you as a person is the music of your soul and nothing can change that you can I just want to just add one thing you know they have these videos I'm not telling anyone to go look for them on YouTube where they have it's called like a react reaction video whereas people that haven't heard a particular song in in you know from from the 80s or 90s they'll just they'll they'll listen and you see their initial reaction it's from 30 40 years ago and they're Blown Away do you often get upset that you say we're not upset disappointed that people didn't or don't have the opportunity because they just don't know it exists they don't know your music from the 80s and 90s if you only had a chance to perhaps even re-record it do you think that you know with today's sound it would be which which definitely sound different I do think there are songs that are that are considered Classics uh I remember you know telling Boris Levine ones because his music is beautiful and very often Timeless as well I said it's not yeah it's not how hot this song comes out of the uh it's not how hot the song is when it comes out of the oven it's how long it stays warm that's the that that's the the the the the sign of a good song you know if if it if it hits you know two three months everybody's singing the song and then it's forgotten forever you know okay it had its moment in the Sun but it's like a sparkler you know it Sparkles and disappeared if something lasts and year after year generation after generation they're singing it so that's That's a classic song and that's it I mean it's the same thing in the secular world it's it's you know there are songs that are still being sung today and still playing on the radio today from you know not only on Golden oldies stations but there are some songs that just make it in society I've got a few of those and you'll see green has a few and and has many many many dozens and dozens of songs like that almost all of his songs are like that so you know that's a wonderful thing will those will we have the same thing 20 30 years from now for songs from today I'm sure there will be some but I'm I don't know you know I'm not that familiar with with current music so I really can't tell you you mentioned your father that there are a lot of songs you have a lot of songs about the Holocaust directly or indirectly um I think some of those are the most touching and and you release them probably in a period not so close to the Holocaust that it was a source of pain but not so distant that people it was almost a smooth Sal for the soul you know you were able to give expression to second or third generation who were connected still to the pain the among the most beautiful and the most lofty of your songs what's your personal connection to the Holocaust and what do you feel is the most important messaging that needs to be passed down to the Next Generation from the Holocaust meaning were these songs written to comfort those who went through it or are they a curriculum are they pedagogic are they educational for those who need to remember it I think I think probably what was it two or three choices there pedagogy to help alleviate the pain and I think those two probably both you know song like Memories I think is more it's hard I struggled with memories for a long time that was a song that took a very long time to write because I struggled to find and I struggled in general I I don't think I I in my earlier years I could have written a song about the Holocaust I was too new to writing and you know what let me take a step back and and give you a little bit more history about the the evolution of going from writing negunim to writing in English so you speak about ncsy events and how moved you were so I was living in California at the time I was in hinov I was a teacher in a Jewish High School and some of the kids in the school were NCS wires and um we had a mix in the school itself we had kids who came from homes that were not show my Shabbos we had kids from homes that were very Shoma Shabbos and the parents wanted the kids to have it to our education we had a lot of children in between as parents were traditional very much like in South Africa if you went to shul you went to a uh an orthodox Jewel but you didn't really go to school you didn't keep the mitzes but if you were gonna keep a yamta if you kept it properly right so that was the mix of kids and we had some NCS Wars and and I was invited to to many ncsy events and those that were mainstream LA City events or or Regional events had a lot of kids who could sing who could sing kalbach songs and knew some of my songs and we'd show up there with the guitar and it would be labor dick and the kids would sing but I was invited to an ncsy [Music] um comes it's and it was just a small region I don't remember exactly which region in La was and we went there I went there with my guitar the kids didn't know any of the songs and I had nothing to sing to them other than those Hebrew songs and it fell flat and they didn't know the songs I tried to teach there they weren't interested it was just simply like a group of kids who really were just starting out in ncsy weren't familiar with the songs I had nothing to say to them I didn't know any songs in English or the songs that I knew in English I didn't feel would would resonate and I felt that there's a void there's a need for songs in English where you can sing it to a kid and he doesn't have to understand the pasok he doesn't have to know Hebrew some of those kids couldn't read Hebrew understand Hebrew you could tell them what believer means but then again you're singing it they can't sing along and I I took upon myself I said to myself we have to start writing songs I have to start writing songs in English and at the same time by Sherrod I picked up a copy of the megama albums which was moshe's first album with Sheldon Levine and I heard my zaydee and and and the prayer book blues and dollar bill and those kind of country folk songs written well and and very very made a very big impact on me and I said I can do this as well and I and I worked hard and it was that year that I came up with the first Journeys album so it was really it came out of this necessity or this the sense of it has to happen and then I was thinking about it I realized that you know that the world of Europe had all these Yiddish folk songs that strengthened them Muna and spoke about Concepts from the Torah and and because life in Europe was was hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years obviously this genre grew and I said it has to happen here now in America itself when you first started that did people give you a lot of pushback to say no Jewish songs are Hebrew or Jewish songs or Yiddish we don't do English the first Journey's album was very successful it was successful I think critically I mean the safer Torah song made an impact it's time to say good job as these were these were songs yeah so the Safety Song is such a holy it's not my tune by the way I just I just adapted the tune to those words but but it was such a holy niggan and the words of the story and the messaging I think it made an impact on people and it was so it had commercial success as well but it's just so hard to do you can't come out with the journeys album every year and I did a few years later come out with jury too and then it was 10 years to Journeys three and uh or eight years and then 10 years to Journeys four and eighteen years it's just so hard to come up with ideas and and and and and you know Quality quality uh themes and it's not easy to do at least for me and I never had to do it it was never my parnasso you know music was never my job it was never I never performed at weddings it's not something I I had to do for a living I had another job where you know I earned a living so music was always when I felt I had something to come out with I did so memories you're sharing about memories right so yeah I I don't think I was ready to write a song like on the first album about the Holocaust but as I got better at writing and I you know started to to contemplate you know doing the second Journeys uh I also lived in Toronto my in-laws were Holocaust Survivors we lived right nearby we spent many yamamentovan together I heard their stories my father was a holocaust Survivor but he didn't go to the camps he avoided the camps he managed to run away and get to Switzerland so he had a little bit of a different experience he lost his mother he lost the brother he lost his sister um but many of his family survived so he was sort of like a half Holocaust Survivor my in-laws were really they went through the camps they lost so many people and the community that I joined here in Toronto is very much a survivors Community the shulai dominant and slowly over time I started to you know understand a little bit more about what they went through and I and I very much wanted to write something that addressed that that I mean how could our music not address that issue not address that that terrible awful time in history you know so many books so many things have been written so many essays so many speeches and there has to be songs about it too but what do you say how do you how do you talk about and until I came I came up with the line uh I know that God in heaven won't forget I really was lost I had all these ideas numbers on the arm and and and being blind and and how you could never forget and the importance of the idea of the idea that by the way the idea of what will become of all the memories really has nothing to do with Holocaust remembrance per se it's not it's not a an endorsement of of building you know structures museums and that's not what it is the answer is is we don't the the we don't have memories there are so many people who died in the showa there are no pictures of that those there's nothing the memories are gone they've turned to Ash we don't even know who they were there's nothing left of their families so what will become of all the memories is not just oh make sure we remember because we'll find this piece of paper and we'll find that and we'll put yes those are all important that that's important that we remember but what will become of the memories for the people we can't even remember even if we try to remember that and that's the answer is that Hashem will always remember them and that they have a place in shabbaima that there is you know a life beyond this world and uh so so I was able to come up with that idea and then the song took years to like till I had the the final word in that song and then then the song came out shortly after were you worried how survivors would receive it were you worried how could someone who didn't go through it try to give words to it and will they understand the Nuance of what you're trying to say it's like I remember in school I used to sit next to my schwer my father-in-law and he would sit across from another Holocaust about and the Rob would get up and speak and start talking about the Holocaust and they would right away go to sleep they didn't want to hear what he had to say was to myself when you know what we went through you know he had nothing they didn't want to hear you're right you're right I don't know if I was writing it for them I don't think I was writing for them I was writing it for my generation for future Generations what they went through and what they they they they they the song from the the song From the Ashes on the on the recent Journeys album which is written by my daughter is really a tribute to that well it's a tribute to that how did they lift themselves from the dust and build the world they created for us they Rose From the Ashes and relit their matches how much we owe them for not running away and not throwing away their Yiddish Gaiden and discarding their their Birthright but persevering and and and and choosing again to rebuild for the umpteenth time in Claudius Rose history we keep we keep getting knocked to the mat and what do we do we get up again we get up again I'm chair did you get feedback from from survivors from not only memories but the other songs did they give you feedback about what it meant to them or that it gave them Comfort was a particularly meaningful do you remember any particular feedback is there a Survivor that that that theme that you gave words in music too yeah I've had feedback from survivors but much more feedback from from Children of survivors and grandchildren of survivors over the years again the survivors are not the demographic that goes out and buys you know Jewish music albums today it's you know occasionally if I would go if if I go to go and sing often perpet chick you know I'll get a much better than you know than singing something else because that's again it's it's this generational thing about music you know that you really can't avoid it happens even if you're writing about something near and dear to them yeah although From the Ashes when they heard from the ashes I think that made an impression on many of the Holocaust especially when their children played it for them and the kids are in the room crying while their parents are listening to the to the song yeah that has happened every year on the march of the living they play the song Memories I don't know yeah and it's very very powerful twelve thousand fifteen thousand participants and this is just another example where I love this song I love this moment I look forward to we've done it you know more than a dozen times right and I should have realized it was you because I didn't realize it at the moment but yeah but but that's there's no question that when they're singing that song and they're lighting these six large torches in beer Canal on yamashoa and it's it's the Apex of of the entire experience have you ever been on a March of living have you been oh I'm a clothing so you know I I I've never gone on these trips to Europe because you know there's really no place for me to go right so yeah but one large Cemetery Man from villner for example is you asked about whether their their songs so that song is is really it's really Army it's it's it's it's the sad version of Cowboys with a little bit more elaboration and and background to it but Amy Israel if we don't have a Torah to dance so we'll dance with our children we we live we we PR we the the the the Jewish people will live on we're going to endure you know and that story someone told me that story and it's fascinating he was out of simcha in Detroit and people were sitting around a table complaining about all the simplest they have to go to people said I have a shovel breakfast on Tuesday but it's on Wednesday and another wedding on Thursday I can't take it and there was a bang on the table an old man sitting at the table his name was he was a rub in Detroit Rabbi gold Rabbi Leo Goldberg from Detroit and he says you're complaining about simchis wow I remember a time when we didn't know if there were gonna be Jewish Civic again wow and then he told over the story of he was a he was there he was in that City he was in film after the war and he remembers people going to the school and their Nosa fratera and They Carried the children around was the boy yeah we danced around around with circles I I one of the most uh moving yes I ever gave in the shul was telling over setting up that story and then using that story for the drush I'm sure I'm not the only one so I should thank you for that in addition to everything else to thank you for but we dance around and around in circles I don't think I got through I give the dresser several times I don't think I got through it once without without crying because then so much else but to turn these stories into music mysterious field was so much pain today music today is very happy Jewish music is Happy Jewish music is mostly in major today and Jewish music is bouncy and it's Noah was a big Sadiq and everybody's jumping up and down and it is a very happy Vibe and and and Hashem you know the scholars in in America it hasn't been too bad you know it's been it's been longer than most of our goals and you know without major you know major problems and it's certainly been very very uh uh you know easy we have success and and and life is life is quite quite fulfilling and it's such a good period of time and the music reflects it I'm the CH I come from that generation children of Holland there's still a lot of pain in our music and that's slowly dissipating and I and I hope it keeps going I hope we only go from this to the ultimate Sim Club you know and we never have to go back to a time when our music expresses a lot of pain and suffering but boy have we been through it historically you know and anybody who learns learns Jewish history learns Torah learns hazal he sees that you know life has been very very difficult for Quality sir yes this is the period of Jewish one of the songs that I'm most proud of is that that that's the that's our biggest what's trump card when we go to shanghain he says look at that we're still here look what look what we've been through and and we're still here so Roberti mentioned uh a couple times these these iconic songs didn't even realize were yours I think one of the reasons that you stand out and for me are so inspiring is um the humility that you bring to your music to a music career um and and not to criticize anyone but you know I don't think anyone's ever seen maybe Rottenberg like pose for a selfie with someone or try to be an influencer online or as you said your livelihood didn't depend on it so you know it's not that that industry you're very different in that way and there's a humility that you bring how do you stay humble with all that success with the fact that um a lot of people you know pull me over when I do perform especially today I mean in the olden days it was you know you you had to really pose for a picture and and and it wasn't so uh you know like you like you say ubiquitous it wasn't all over the place you know I don't like to give autographs you know people say autograph what do you need my autograph for what's what's my order I'll give it if it's special children or things like that I'm happy to do it but you know so I wrote written some negun in but you know that's not it's not the Apex of of of in our religion that's not the Apex you know we should be asking godolin for their signatures you ever see anybody go over to you know I've got uh I've got your safer here could you sign it you know they wouldn't think of doing that because you know so I don't know but maybe Rottenberg Abe Rottenberg is a Jewish household name and and we do know that impact so is there a particular Mentor that you have is there a rebbe is there a safer that you learn is there a person in your life who helps is it is it a conversation you even have to have with yourself how to stay humble you've expressed several times in this conversation through you you just wrote some nice songs is that a conversation you have to have with yourself or you've been blessed that that comes naturally to you look even if I was let's say naturally humble to some extent you know not I don't have a personality which is yeah I'm a quiet guy I'm not a I'm even in Camp and you know places like that I was never the guy to get up on tables and jump up and down with the guitar it wasn't that kind of a person or a musician I don't like to act for example I don't like to get on stage and you know act and some some hovering Camp were great at that and they loved the microphone and they grabbed it and they went out you know and they just love it but at the same time you know everybody is suffers from from from from from you know guybo everybody struggles with it in one way or another that could be the biggest Moshe rabena was the biggest honor of doesn't mean it was easy for him right right he was the biggest dog but so he succeeded more than most but uh it's a struggle it's not it's not something you you you that's easy especially if you have success and you find success so it's hard so you know I struggle with it it's not easy but Barca show like I said I don't do it for a living so I don't have to fight that and push myself out there so I'm able to stay you know myself to some extent and and uh I guess you know from my Yeshiva training and and from what I've learned and from what I learned from when I see the tower I see to me that's as you know not being a bald guy but it's more important than you know than 99 of the other misses of the Torah so you know I think I have the right priority in that in that regard one what inspired marvelous middos machine speaking about midosure having kids you know it's so it's like every day was was was was material you know it was like material happening in my kitchen and my living room and the kids arguing and fighting and this and that and so so you know when when my kids were in their formative years that's when those albums were made and it was pretty easy to come up with material but again some of those songs I'm very proud of there's you know there was a lot of effort a lot of time went into writing uh the medo song and and it it it's not simple it's not necessarily simple you know just because the children's album doesn't make it simple we wrote a song called um there's a song called the the Movado song kids are rushing to the thing and everybody wants to grab the best piece of this and that and and so what do I I do you have to be Movado is there a is there a Sim inshallah that says you know you've got if you get to the table first and and and or if somebody serves you the bigger P are you supposed to give it up is there so how do you write a song like that like what so we can't we we said we thought and Bima Vada once in a while you know we didn't say Bima Vater all the time but at least people but you don't always need to be the one who who gets everything you know Hashem will be so happy if you'll be if you're movata not that it's a myth for you so it could be a very you know delicate questions that have to be addressed and answered properly so we took it as a very serious upris you know to to teach me those to to children and and through the children the Haitian they love us oh bun him you know through the bun and we hope to help the parents have a little bit the bedroom you know so we talked about how your music has done kirov Rabbi Brody one example your music has educated me those your music has comforted survivors or the generations of pain of the Jewish people it's had such an impact Beyond just music it doesn't get played in the background it's something that enters the foreground and having an impact I get a lot of nachas when let's say when a bunch of Yeshiva guys we sit down we do a kunset and they're let's say able to sing every word for memories and they know it by heart or the men they know the words better than I do because I forget the words you know in my old age I forget but so but they they know them by Art they know every word too much is known by heart my kids know them by heart my kids again didn't grow up in the 80s and 90s but but that's the staying power of these songs and that's how deeply it penetrates into the heart and and they they know it only I can't help it you just said I don't know if you're being sarcastic or real do you do you struggle to remember though I always wonder this about people who write the words to their own songs on an event a couple weeks ago with the Jewish music Superstar who's had some longevity and someone taking a request it was a very small setting it comes at setting someone requests is like oh what are the words to that again that's right a song that he was very popular for so when when you're on stage or you're taking requests you ever worry someone's gonna ask for something and you're gonna struggle to come up with those words well if they asked me to do a song where I don't remember the words I'll ask them to bring up their phone and have it you know they go to lyrics.com or something like that and they'll put it on the piano and you know I could do it that way or I say you know I'll play the song I remember the music but you know sing along and or or at least be ready to help me if I forget us and forget all the records I'm very I don't care you know I'm gonna say that many times over and I just you know so uh so I don't so I make a mistake on stage I once sang The Atheist convention at a concert and I realized afterwards I I mixed up two sets of the song made no sense the way I sang you know you get nervous you still get nervous before you perform not anymore not really not anymore I used to be very very nervous when I first started performing I was much younger but today bar Hashem I really don't get too nervous have you heard someone sing your songs that you say wow that's incredible they took it to a whole nother place I never even even imagined the opposite have you ever been to sing it and say oh they butchered it how could they do that for my song yeah both ways yeah you know I've I've I've heard people butcher my songs and I've heard people do wonderful wonderful Renditions of it you know that I enjoyed very much and and I and I'm happy to hear variations of the song and you know people people taking it to a different you know a different place and maybe even changing some of the music a little bit to because again that's part of musical expression and that's that's what happens and you know but I'm honored that they decided wanted to do it wanted to do a cover of a song of mine it's it's very very gratifying in addition to the music you've also written two books unrelated to music you think that comes from the same place you think somebody who's artistic or the authorship that went into particularly the English songs is similar to the authorship meaning how similar and how different are these skill sets of writing music and writing books that's that's an interesting question I don't believe I've ever had that one before that question so um so I wrote two two books one book is one book I call a novel it's a novel it's a cure of Novel a novel with the intent to to reach out to to brothers and sisters about Yiddish guy to to teach the basics um you know back in the day risham should refill her she wrote his 19 with 19 letters right so that was a time when people were intellectual they wanted to they were searching for the truth you could send kids I think I got for my amendments for somebody sent me the 19 letters of Champions I think by then already it was too late you know like Rabbi Hirsch his generation maybe could handle that I think I tried to read it and you know couldn't get past the first couple of pages so to teach the basics of Yiddish guide to to to to the youth today especially youth who don't know anything about it aren't excited by the Arabian khaid are all about moshebeno and Torah me cni and all these things you know so I I felt very strongly that it has to have another story that would that would draw them in and I'm a big fan of baseball so I decided to make the baseball the icker 80 of the book is about baseball 75 is about baseball but the rest of the story you know you squeeze in Yiddish guy through the cracks and you know in between the lines and and and so to me that was a little bit similar to some of the Outreach work that I try to do in my music so that was there was a similarity and I took some of the themes from the songs and put them into the books some of the messages conversation and the woman you know took those ideas and put them into the book but then the the other thing that I wrote was Eliana you know that was much more more of a safer than it is a book that's that's learning I go through the hazal how I understand the hazal or or bringing how how we showed them and offer on them understood so that's more you sit down and learn but I very much enjoyed learning a a suggest a topic it's a very broad but everything in the safer really has to do with Eliana so it was researching through the eitzer Hoffman through different swarm all about Eliana and and collecting it all into one place so that was very enjoyable for me but that's that's real learning and that's you know sitting down and trying to understand what a Gamora is saying or what what the is saying and then putting it into English words it's fantastic when you're not listening to marvelous middos machine or the Vegas or Journeys what is a b Rottenberg listen to what music WFAN I really don't listen to music that much I don't even on trips I listen to the news I'll listen to sports uh occasionally you know when I went Baruch Levine sends me you know his album I'll listen to it and and again if they're if I'm at a wedding and I hear a beautiful song I will try to find that song and you know and and learn it but but again it's and I was never really I never listened to a lot of Jewish music and and even when I was much younger I really didn't I didn't listen to secular music either for some reason I'm not a big fan of listening to music in in the car or or when I'm driving I don't know why interesting never would have guessed that I would have thought you derived musical inspiration and listening and you appreciate parts of Music others of us don't so that's that's fascinating is there musical inspiration is there somebody a musician Jewish or not whose style or genre inspires your music well when I was younger I did listen to some folk music I listened to Simon and Garfunkel I listened to Harry Chapin and John Denver and yeah but I but again it was a casual listener I just liked them more than than the other stuff that was on the radio so I remember buying a couple of Records back in the day do you hear music in your head you don't listen but you constantly hear music and playing or anything I do like I'll very often like the best songs I ever wrote the best and the Gundam I ever wrote were written on Shabbos right like my family my kids were all gone to play my wife's uh you know whatever gone to read I'm still sitting at the table and I'm singing a and I sing it over and over and over again so I should remember it after Shabbos and the best naguna I ever wrote were on shoppers and every single one of them is lost because I never remember them really all gone they're all in the in the uh what what's it called in the they went to Tove about oh wow you've collaborated with a lot of people through your music I think the the freeadicus his son when he would write a niggan on Friday night his son would was was tasked to remember it and he would sing it to himself a whole day I don't know if he slept maybe he didn't sleep all zombies sing it and sing it so that muscle Shabbos he could write it down or record it I wish I was with you I would have I would have done that all shot I wish I was a red bug they do that for me but uh you've collaborated with a lot of people on your albums and in person is there a particular collaboration that meant the most or was the most exciting to you and is there a Jewish musician that you hope to and want to but have yet to collaborate with well I could say that you know some of my Fondest Memories Are are really from collaboration you know label scharfman is a dear friend bark Che is a dear friend they're both so talented the cover from Vegas you know we go back Years you'll see sun and Blake Ellie Kranz Serbia schwabel these are dear dear friends and we became not just friends because of the music but you know close friends outside of music as well the families are close and and it's been a beautiful thing lived in Toronto I did three albums with him such a wonderful now even now he's in Boca now he's in Boca in your neighborhood he's such a sweet sweet fellow and a wonderful wonderful person very happy to have had the opportunity and hopefully will continue to work with him uh with Shia mandelwitz and and he's the one who got me first into the Hask uh shows that got me she left me Kicking and Screaming to the stage and um of course uh you know uh Donnie gross I did the last album with him he's wonderful very talented uh great singers like a room freed and Mordechai and uh yaakov shwekey these are all wonderful wonderful fellas and who have collaborated with them on on they sang on my albums and we sung together on stage and it's been a beautiful thing they're all very special in their own way and they're trying to do you know good for qualities throw they realize they have a calling and that there's a mission and they have a special opportunity you know it's it's both uplifting and scary you know it's a scary scary measures you uh have a if you have a talent and it's not just limited to music any Talent without making money or Coach Brown wants you to give it give it give it away give it to the duck you have talent with art you have a talent and with your personality you have a talent to heal as a doctor or a you know a medical worker you have to use it you have to use it for it's enough rice and it's scarier it and if you don't it's considered a terrible terrible thing we can't even measure it we don't know but because I'll seemed to be able to measure it and say that that's why he lost his life he lost his life because he didn't use his talents he didn't lose his life because he didn't go to the goat because he didn't go to your shall I that's not why he lost his life that's not that's amensis I say you know to him it's using he lost his life because he failed to to uh to help Claudius throw when he could is it someone that you want to collaborate yet with but you haven't yet are we ever gonna are we ever gonna benefit from an A B Rottenberg ishiribo collaboration of some sort you know my roots not so great you know but maybe you never know but again like I said I I I've listened to a few of his songs they're beautiful he has a tremendous tremendous gift and he's using it and he's going all over the world and spreading and Muna across the globe and kalaka wrote to him I hope we I hope we meet one day you know I've never met him I haven't had that opportunity yet but you never know you meet and you talk and very slow as long as behind the beam I get some credit on that album the ab Ron Burgess introduced behind the bema yeah if you need a drummer by the way oh just on just on one of those slow ballads South Florida I have a band like a good band that you play with or something for weddings not yet we're working on it Boca Raton Synagogue comes its band yeah nobody specializes you've been amazing generous with your time we we can't tell you much we appreciate it alas the obvious question I'm sure you've asked a million times and I'm sure no one gets a real answer is there a favorite a b Rottenberg song of all time really not really not I don't say I have a favorite song I have the the thing is I have a lot of I have a number of songs that surprised me how well they did and how well they were receive but I also have a number of songs that surprised me how they how poorly they did or how they they were not uh uh embraced by this so what's an underrated give us an underrated Amy Rottenberg song that we will put in the show notes and get out there okay song like and Vegas like a six Minute Maid sign so it's known that people do sing it but I think I think it's a fantastic song can you give us can you give us one stanza can you give us one there Ash and we Hashem [Music] fits the word so well and it is anyway so that's that's like one song I have a song called invehagefen on on one of the Layman fish albums that I I thought would become a staple and you know there there are a number of songs like that but I'm not giving up I'm not giving up hope because you never know you know they've yet to be discovered as long as there's life There's Hope how do you choose the playlist when you perform you you did the tour Academy concert here in Boca Raton a few years ago how do you choose whether it's in someone's living room in a piano or on a stage how do you come up with you have such a rich rich list to choose from how do you choose the playlist so if it's a concert you have to obviously choose your songs in advance and rehearse them and pick the keys and and you know figure out who's going to sing what and the harmonies but my favorite way to perform these days is just piano an audience and guys what do you want to what do you want to sing with me so it's more like you know it comes it's where we we get together and they'll suggest an English song a Hebrew song I'll sing a little bit to have real singer you know a lot and that to me is very enjoyable because there is a large repertoire and and it's more like you know we're getting together to sing and that's a lot more fun than having to prepare a playlist and etc etc sorry you read a lot of your Shabbos table do these mirrors go on endlessly do you do you choose a lot of your own songs or just the classics mirrors foreign my father was very strict at home about zamiris so I think that I was I I you know for every action there's an equal and opposite reaction so I think in my home I was very LAX I just felt like you know I remember not being you know my father would say comment during his mirrors it was very regimented he was European he was pretty strict with it and I felt you know like it was so I never really pushed my kids too much but I mean we would sing some errors but if they were there you know I'd sing with them if they weren't there I'd sing without them so it was never a big deal in my house this mirrors when we had guests that we wanted to and they knew it if we had guests who for for cure of purposes so then this mirrors became a very important part of the of the Cure of process and then the kids would be asked to come join and sing along and make a a reisham on the make an impression on the guests at Shabbos was so special Etc but in our home there was plenty of Music besides the besides the Shabbos table so it was never really a focal point ironically yeah you said you went Kicking and Screaming to the Hass concerts is there a musical performance absolutely is there a musical performance that stands out for you as having been very special and memorable Israel and America On Stage privately for someone so um what I think it was the third the the third or fourth past concert they they honored composers that was the theme she and metal had said were going to honor composers and they honored um Betsy and Shanker was there and he got on stage and he sang you you know he was probably in his 80s already or late seven these then and maybe early 80s and he got up and he sang a song and he was so warmly received by the audience and yugosalek was there and he had his choir and they sang a song or two and begun was not there but they sang some Miami songs and schmelke Brazil was not there but they did schmelke's niggan or gulvavi I don't remember so they were honoring composers who were there Baruch was there I was there but I didn't sing my own song review schwebel I got on stage and sang sang a song of mine and there were other composers who were not there and they honored their their compositions um and then at the end of that segment so it was towards the end of the concert um I came on stage with Mordechai Ben David and we spoke glowingly of shlomacaba and his music and we started to sing on a Hashem and the audience is very nice we started playing Russian I supplied we thought the song with singing it and about a minute or a minute and a half into the song came on stage in the middle of the song as we held him back we made the audience think that we were simply honoring him and his was the last one meaning we're going to honor the the greatest composer of Jewish music and everyone thought he wasn't there and we that's why it was more to high and I who went out and then came out in the middle and the Roar that came from that audience you could feel it the coursing through your body through your bones the honor the covet that they gave him standing up the the Applause it was something special so that was my favorite moment ever on stage and I can't imagine you know anything greater than that because it was a packed room at the you know at Avery Fisher Hall and it was just incredible I must have listened to that hundreds of times hearing exactly what you're describing just holding them back that one minute that minute and a half and I'm so happy to see it what a moment wow wow maybe thank you for your time thank you for going behind the people with us and sharing so much wow everybody remember that half woman yeah do you remember that yeah I listened to all the original ask ask concerts had them on tape yeah yeah what an interview from that interview what what impressed you what inspired you I really he didn't answer this one question I really wish that we could somehow re-record all this music playing in his head Yeah Yeah well yeah but we record all these songs you know a friend of my text in mind they said this has to be the best you know what song this is yeah the shyamala [Music] I don't want to go come on it's unbelievable yeah sorry what were you saying I'm just saying it'd be great if they re-recorded all these songs and just re-released them for the new generation for people that haven't heard them before right you know there's a lot of these songs that are familiar many aren't they just don't know he said The Melodies are great they just need to be re-released redone first of all the way that they record music today is very different than they did back in the 70s and 80s and it would sound so much better the music would be just be a different quality so is that your mission try to convince at least with classes yeah yeah and I would love to be on that album also I mean it's a little piece of that but but but I'll tell you the truth it's actually really hard because how do you get it out there so let's say he re-records it and you put it out on iTunes how do people find it you know what's crazy you know how many people listen to music on YouTube right I you know you remember when we were kids like records then tapes then mixtapes that you had to make right you could have today people go on YouTube and they and they create their own playlist on YouTube or obviously Apple music Spotify you create playlists you don't have to get through other songs you don't want to hear you just make a playlist of what you want to hear yeah and um yeah but I'm saying if it was if it was re-released with a good music video that moved you it'd be on YouTube and have tens and hundreds of thousands of hits that's right and and I really do believe and again this is a debate which we could always have and I think we've had it before is do I like the music I like because I grew up with it but right I I I want you to know I I've done a lot of research on this and I really believe good music is good music and if you're exposed to good music I'm not sure what the hell you do a lot of research by the way what I'm going to call you out on that one the research means is that this is my feeling because you're feeling good I've done a lot of research I thought about it for a minute and a half I thought about it for about two minutes and I've done that's my research yeah okay fair enough but I'm just telling you I really do believe that if you listen to good music I don't care what generation you're from you'll love it you just haven't had a chance to hear it okay you know what song didn't come up tonight that it has to be a classic of this right Mama yeah no there's so many there's there's he's probably recorded two or three hundred songs yeah original compositions original yeah how do you pick that like you said like how do you decide what you're going to play it I love his humility I love his perspective yeah I love his and didn't he say that this is not what he does full time we didn't ask him what he does when he's not doing this he's a family import business of jewelry or clothing accessories or something but that's I think part of why it's authentic and real it's like there's no pressure to produce or to perform or to keep up or to influence it's just you know humping out the head here's another classic we need to talk about this [Music] Vegas [Music] how many more [Music] today because he just listened when I was a kid that was it you put the biggest tape in you just kept flipping it over to make us over and over yeah to Vegas over and over okay closing thoughts are by Brody I just want to play I just want to play songs all night but we gotta go closely thoughts maybe we'll make it and it'll turn into like uh add some music into the show you should we should get an original composition from behind the bema right uh uh here it is [Music] all classics all songs doesn't get any better oh unbelievable you know you know when closing thought would be is I would love to just let's let's do a tour of all the oldies get these I don't know who they are but all these musicians inspired by the young man who texted me because I really think it'd be a great school series we actually did the Schulz series we didn't do it exclusively a b Rottenberg we had a short Series where we'd play a song and then give a sheer because basically there's so many words whether it's miros we sing we sing the songs and do people know what they mean right and even now you did that once we did a series um but then we bring it back so I'm really inspired by especially I think the English ones I'm like all right what's he tapping into what's the depth are are fact Checker is sending me along listening conversations in the womb there's no end you just keep playing your whole night you know so it was great what a great song yeah they're all great but again it's that same chorus strong chorus even as [Music] they're all from the heart that sweetened up as a voice conversation there's no woman that's a good one that's a good one okay remember Brody said it was a pleasure it was a pleasure to spend time with you and uh sure I'll see you tomorrow yeah it's awesome he's got he's got breath Hebrew English right there wasn't a lot of English music coming out when he was putting right now right yeah it's got it all I'm basically he's not shy about loving baseball favorite line in the interview what is A.B Rottenberg listen to when he's not listening to A.B Rottenberg what music is listening yeah WFAN moish Francesa that's what he's listening to all right another great night Rabbi Brody until next time thank you Rabbi we got people still writing in obvious Israel I love Envy I guess and I'm gonna mates are we got people they're just catching up now started late and they're writing in so everyone is listening right in write it on YouTube write in in the comments on uh podcast player whatever you listen to when you rate and review writing your favorite a b Rottenberg song we'd love to hear yeah we're we're listening we want to know what's your favorite a b Rottenberg song all right till next time stay happy stay healthy stay holy