The State of the State of Israel (Ep. 233)

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possible to be able to keep this going and uh what can I tell you it's uh it is definitely I I have been asked a number of times over the years to open a seminary and whenever I would be asked that I would say why what Niche is not being filled that you want me to come along and fill and they were like no just like to make money I was like no I'm not going to do something just if everybody else is doing it I I don't believe in Reinventing the wheel um there are so many organizations that duplicate the efforts of similar organizations and it's hard for them to explain why their organization is essential more than anything else when I was uh running NC Long Island there were these different yeshivas inel that catered to Americans who were coming to Israel for a year or two years and they wanted me to send them my better NCS wirers who were graduating and think of coming to Israel and whenever a new Yeshiva would come I would say why is your Yeshiva different than any place else what's unique about it you know and they would try they would try it was hard to uh to give an explanation I remember when I eventually made Aliah and I was working for orid so um uh I would go sometimes to school to have an Israel night and they would have all the yeshivas were lined up and they all had five minutes to give their pitch you know and everybody basically said the same thing you know in five minutes what was the difference and um and that's why I remember when I uh was asked to make a recording for my son's Yesa I said it's not another Yesa it's a different Yeshiva and uh and that's what you have to ask yourself why why this is here now sometimes like in Europe why did you go to yiva you went because you wanted to learn from particular was very interesting when uh RAB Li sh li who was just starting then near Yakov H he came to meet with me and I said why is your Yeshiva different than this one or that one he goes because of me I bring a unique perspective to it okay so that's understandable understandable to say that the pron themselves is unique but uh when I started this podcast there were number of considerations I had and one of them was to do something that I did not believe was being done which was to provide Torah in an entertaining way and that's why early on I changed it you know to the RAB alasi show because we do different kind of things you know we um uh I got some positive feedback I didn't get any negative feedback but we dedicated our show on the proper way to make a barbecue which the Torah content of which is questionable bordering on non-existent except of course that Torah affects every aspect of our lives and so uh you know but uh but that's something that I think is interesting you know and uh and I I believe people need to uh be people who are curious uh during this period of time of there is a uh um the balus bring down that you should be learning the me which is a br in the sixth peric of peros I stress peros and not M MOS has only five proimos is called P it added in a six per called K which is there specifically for this time of year to be able to have a sixth uh week that have mnas to learn a bris to mean learn I should say and one of those bryces is the 48 things you need to be Kor and the first one is talmud which means to be a person of learning you need to be curious the way you get toyra the first thing you need is you have to uh be a person who is going to be interested um mosenu is taking care of his sheep and he sees a bush that is on fire and it is not being consumed and he says wow now there's something you don't see every day and he walked to investigate and the PK says and when when Hashem saw that Moshe was walking over to see it he spoke to him first you have to be curious you have to be a person who's interesting uh bris came into the B Mees once and he says to the boys there's a train that leaves brisk for uh I think it was VNA every hour on the hour and the train that leaves vilna for brisk 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background and that's because even though it is May and it is e and uh even Rie mayor holds that uh if if it rains after pesak it's not a s CLA but after uh after after Nissan it is barem it's still Nissan did I say it was here yeah let's try again those of you listening at home you might hear some noise in the background and uh all I can say is I hope that we passing like gby mayor um it is so ironic I was teaching nnas one of the first years I came here and I was taking a bus to the yiva where I was teaching and uh guy sitting next to me looks over and sees I'm doing mishna Tinus and he says I just hope we passing like R mayor and it seems so random and then I realized the mishna says if it rains after PES it's a Simon CLA re Maya says it's not a s CLA if it's still Nissan so we still have a few days has left to Nissan and we are having a downpour here in yush I mean this is May this is uh unusual uh to have this kind of a storm but it's pouring absolutely pouring so that might be the noise that you hear in the background if you actually start to hear claps of Thunder that's because a KES bar is not happy with what I'm saying in which case I will have to do a beat a hasty Retreat as they say in any event um there was a period of time I know when there was this work that was very popular it was called and uh it was on the moim it was on the different holidays and it brought together and hash and uh I remember when I went to school we used that as a text uh it was definitely a very thorough work and uh and after pesak the section that he deals with before he gets to pesak sheni before he gets to uh LBA om uh obviously before SCH he deals with what he calls the modern holidays and there are three what he includes as modern holidays and he attempts to be uh as evenhanded as he can and present both sides of the issues and that is of course the first one is Y which is Holocaust Remembrance Day the second one is Y zikaron which is uh Memorial Day for Israeli soldiers and the last is y Israeli Independence Day I guess you could also include in this set yum Yim 1967 when the old city of yusim was liberated and we had access once again to the Western Wall to be able to go and Davin so uh so he points out that these holidays are controversial and the emotional impact of these days are tremendous um I was speaking in orola which is rabinal training program and um and I was discussing the issue of yat and uh and I said look there are obviously different views about it here I was speaking specifically about the idea of saying Hal some people say some people say it with a Braha some people say without a Braha some people don't say it at all uh there are people in May sharim who actually fast on Y and say Theos and do the laning that is associated with a fast day so that's more or less the and then some people do nothing yeah so that's more or less the gamut of responses so uh I was dis discussing this I had to I was doing a series of how to answer basic questions and uh and I said look it's a h issue when people ask me do you say um I uh I say to them do you eat G and regardless of what they say if they say I do eat G I don't eat G I say why I eat kab or I don't eat K why do you do that I'm following my custom said I'm also following my custom right umbel Yos uh basically all the Contemporary poim say not to say that's their position anyway I mentioned in the course of this that uh R salivic Who uh I I I I can't call him the rashash Shiva of Yeshua University because Norman lamb when rashek passed away he said he was never the rashash Shiva I'm the rashash Shiva he was the only position he ever held was visiting professor of talmood so I don't want to call him the get into any trouble but uh he of course was seen as the Torah Giant in yesu University I said he did not say Hal ym so there was a in the program who is a mus from Yu and he said to me that's a lie and you know it I was kind of surprised I mean I'm teaching a class and the fellow's calling me a liar like an intentional liar to my face pretty dramatic so I said my father-in-law who has SM from the R by the way this fellow had never been in cheer with the RV says my father-in-law who got SM from the r say he didn't say h says it's a lie um I said uh my friend R granowski who has SM from yes University he said he was in a minu with the r and he didn't say he said it's a lie now I I I had a stroke of luck uh because um RAB Lazarus had just taken over ola and he had SMA from uh Yu and he stands up he was just sitting in to observe the classes he goes I was in a minion with the RV in Wu and he didn't say Hal now this is the guy's B I said is he lying also he said all of his closest ret and uh and uh they all said that he said Hal now I didn't know whether that was true or not um I later got went home and I looked up uh the saer wrote about wherein he says that salic said in a sheer that if you say Hal on uh y a blasphemer and a uh and a uh a denier of of Torah so that's not the same thing is saying you should say but I didn't have that in front of me at the time you know anyway after the class I pulled him aside and I said I don't think it's appropriate to call someone who's teaching a Class A deliberate liar even if you want to say I'm wrong wasn't a deliberate liar I'm reporting what I heard you may have heard something different I said I remember hearing that R KET kamki held that the yemenite pronunciation is the most correct pronunciation because they have the most sounds so for example um if you do D there's no difference between a and a comets they do both of them as a Pak there's no or sound um we do the have a and aat um ER we have a T and A saf in ashkenazic pronunciation SP only have a t on the other hand ashaz pronounce a and a the same way where Asam pronounced the the way asham do and a is more G they do the same thing we do an Alan and a the S same way andum do an also yeah so they have all those sounds and more so they don't have a s they don't do everything as a tough the way the spartum do but they don't do a S because that's the same thing as a s so therefore they have a saf and a th th shabo um they have a gimmel and a jimel they we have a doid and Aid yeah um which is closer to like a j sound though they have the most sounds uh they have a VV and a WAV yeah so um so he used to say I heard that he used to say kishma over um with the uh uh tamon pronunciation I said now let's say there was a taled from Yakov here he might have said to me uh yeah I don't know where that room I got started from I was with rakov he never did such a thing Etc but I don't think he would call me a liar and this Rabbi looks at me and he says saying hello is more important than saying kishma twice a day and I said surely you don't mean that because saying kishma is a DI and uh is at best at best and he said again saying how is more important than saying kishma twice a day I said you understand kishma is a fundamental Declaration of the Oneness of Hashem and that nothing else exists people went to their death saying surely you're not comparing the two and he said for a third time saying is more important than saying kma twice a day so that's an emotional reaction there's no question about it it's a it's it doesn't make any sense it's emotional um when I was uh teaching in Yeshiva so this young man said to me I'm going to say h on with the BR and I said really why so I met this guy and he says me are you going to say goes I don't know and he gave me all of his reasons and arguments and it made a lot of sense to me and that's what I'm going to do I said what happens if it turns out that there's a Shila in your family and you might be a momser who would you ask that question to he did a double take I guess I'd go to shinberg I said why don't you just meet somebody in the street and ask him do you think I'm a mser and let him tell you whether he does or not he says because it's important I said then if this is a halic issue and it is AIC issue then it's also important I remember reading an article in uh Jalem post many years ago rby Riskin uh had a column there and he said the question is not according to whether you should say Hal your or not the question is how could something as important as the founding of the state of Israel take place and you not say Hal someone showed me the column at the time and said what do you say to that I said saying Hal is a issue if the is you say it you say it he don't say you don't say it it's not decided that emotionally I I'm very excited about something and I feel very strong I don't say Hal you don't do that and that's what salvation meant when he said because the says if you say that's what he was Bing himself on if there's no um uh you know impetus to say you're not allowed to say there was a back and forth between RAB ysf Blau the mash ofu and and Rabbi miselman who was a nephew of salvic and learned with him for many years um about saying Hal andman stating the R's position said that he did not say Hal so Rabbi Blau they they were going back and forth in um tradition which was the Journal of the uh retical Council of America and there was like a rejoiner rejoiner to the rejoiner you know they went back and forth you know so he says everybody knows that was salic allowed in the myman school in Boston for them to say Hollow without a braa at the end of daving to which rabie miselman wrote back and said surely Rabbi Blau you know that saying H at the end of ding without a br has noic significance whatsoever so that's just a feel-good thing to make people happy but that's not called Hal so so uh so this was the the emotions run so high when it comes to this and it's uh it's sort of a bell weather so let me uh let me go into the the slippery slope over here there is a position and the position is that the founding of the state of Israel demands changes in my religious observance the fact that the Jews were able to reestablish a Jewish State under Jewish rule um in the land of Israel after almost 2,000 years is something that is an open miracle and needs to be celebrated as such the very fact that we were able to declare this state that in itself is a miracle and it Demands a religious response saying and certain other things that go along with that um that's one approach the other approach which is the extreme approach I mentioned some people in Mayar hold that it's a um that it is a m Satan it's an act of the devil it is forbidden to have anything to do with this state which is evil and uh and uh we pray for it downfall and it's destruction and that's why they fast and they and they you know and all the things that they do that are associated with that because they also feel that the founding of the state of Israel Demands a religious response so those are the two Extremes in between there's levels of of response told me when he was in ponich in 1948 and they read the Declaration of Independence he says the B and ponich were dancing in the streets he said the reame didn't but the B were dancing people saw in this as the framework for being able to establish uh uh a Jewish state with Judaism a Jewish State not a secular state of Jews but a Jewish State and uh that's what they really believe they believe that this was going to be the beginning they suddenly saw Jews from all the world after the Holocaust being brought to Israel and in SE to he writes when they came to the BR you know people were crying says we're watching we're watching the ingathering of the Exiles before our very eyes these are miraculous times taking place and it was something that was unbelievable yeah so uh uh so they see it as as an absolute miracle and something um the SATA who opposed it bases himself on a gar in uhis that says when we went into Exile we swore three vows that uh we would not return to the land of Israel without uh permission from the nations of the world and so uh the fact that we came in by force of arms and establish the state of Israel now that goes against those three and therefore we're not allowed to be here not as an independent country Jews have always lived here uh even during the darkest times of uh the land of Israel but uh but not to be able to make our own country uh the M interestingly enough says that when the League of Nations voted to um allow uh the Jews to establish a homeland in Palestine that was the Fulfillment of the shua that the nation of the world gave us permission to come back and many people also feel that the UN partition vote in 1947 which said we're giving this land to the Jewish people also served that purpose of giving us permission to be able to come back to the land of Israel but uh but the people who object to it object to it on a different grounds and um uh I heard Rie Bulman speak one year on yot in or very emotional as he often did and he said the saddest part about yat is that we wish we could celebrate it it's it's heartbreaking to us that we can't so what's going on so the brisk arov I think summed up the opposition not not as uh Stark perhaps as the satar rebba but uh he said it as follows he said you think that they wanted to build a Jewish State and in the process they had to destroy Judaism said it's not true they wanted to destroy Judaism and they figured that building a Jewish state was the best way to do it now if you read the writings of Theodore Herzel when he saw the terrible problem of anti-Semitism he saw it in a number of places but the dfus trial really pushed him over the top um his first solution was that all the Jews should inter Mar and assimilate and then there wouldn't be any more Jews and so there wouldn't be any anti-Semitism when he saw the Jews wouldn't do it his backup plan was to make a Jewish state where we would be a nation like all the other nations to be able to do whatever we wanted and this way it would be a Cosmopolitan place that's how Tel Aviv was originally envisioned in the original charter of Tel Aviv it said there are not allowed to be any synagogues built in this city uh likewise bakim when it was founded in jerus had a similar Clause no synagogues and uh they did not want Judaism to be a part of this state and uh the state would serve as a means of norm ization so that the Jews would be able to be a nation among all the other nations um unburdened by uh by religion and that's why um when the Declaration of Independence was written in the United States they included God now it's very interesting because freedom of religion was built into the Bill of Rights that that everybody can choose to follow whatever religion they want or none at all there be no obligation uh on religious observance and yet they put God's name into the Declaration of Independence um many of them were either people who followed religion or were deists people who believed in God and certainly that was uh that was inherent and the founding of America when they were writing the Declaration of Independence the secular zionists who were in charge refused to put God's name into it and the religious zionists who were there uh fought with them and they finally came with a compromise where they wrote Sur Israel the rock of Israel so anybody who wanted to think it talked about God was talking about God and anyone who didn't could say it didn't but they wouldn't even put God's name in the Declaration of Independence um which uh which was problematic it was problematic right the religious people looked at this and said they won't even mention God's name but still hopes were high hopes were high the story of the assimilation of saric jewry is a black chapter in Israeli history it has been documented and wherein spartic Jews who were all religious came across and the children were put on irreligious kib Sim they cut off their payis they took away theirin and if they were quit daving they were beaten part of the idea of universal conscription in the Army was once we have you under our control we can force you uh to give up your religious beliefs and uh there are many stories of this taking place there have been situations throughout so there's a tension because uh benorian would you know show people may charm and he says one day this will be a museum of what Jews used to be but uh we'll free ourselves from that I was in high school Ariel Sheron was speaking and uh was after the of war and he kept saying I'm not religious but you know I have a warm place for the thing so a friend of mine the whole thing was in Hebrew so most people had no idea what he was saying but towards the end the question answer friend of mine raised his hand he says excuse me sir what right did we have to take this land from the Arabs did a double take Hashem gave this land to AB and yob he says if you're only right to the land is um because of ab and Jakob how could you say I need L well the place went crazy he's insulting the general the whole thing like this and finally he gave the only answer you can really give and chuva a good question is no answer R Lao uh he says that uh benorian asked to meet with him he had a question in Tanakh on something because he always studied tanak so after he answered his question he says I have a question for you when you testified before the peal commission and they said what right do you have to take this land from the Arabs you said what do you mean you took out a a you say this is our you know marama this gives us the right to be able to have the land we had it beforehand it says so right here he says but there are lots of other things in that Torah says you have to keep kosher you have to keep shabas what about all those things and he says Ben Goran was a very smart man he didn't say a word there is an inherent contradiction in Zionism and there's no way to solve it it's built into the it's it's built into the process Israel is a Zionist country which means it is a country for the Jews that any Jew has a right to come here uh the national flag is based on a Talis the the national anthem is the hopea the hope of the Jews to be able to return after 2,000 years you know the official day of rest is Saturday all kinds of of uh very very Jewish aspects to it and it's a Jewish Day on the other hand it's a democracy so what happens if at some point the majority of the state of Israel is 51% not Jewish and they vote out Israel as a Jewish State and make it a democratic State what happens then if you say the majority cannot vote then you're not democracy and if you say that they can then you're not uh you're not a Zionist it's not a Jewish State these are the contradictions and so when yasm comes along there are people who uh treat it as a religious holiday when I say a religious holiday I mean they really try too hard I'll give you an example Kaneka we say Hal we add in Alim we light candles because of the miracle okay on there are places where they say the they read a t from the na'vi during we don't read t on chabas itself we don't read T we don't do the Y um by law everything has to be closed down theyve made some exceptions in recent years but for for a long time you know you you weren't even allowed to open your store you can get tremendous findes and things it uh it it was over the top a sense of desperation to be able to create this as a religious holiday so um uh so that's that's one approach and then there are the people who look at Yas as a sad day as somebody said to me once you could look at as the founding of the state of Israel or you could look at as the day that seven Arab countries declared war on the Jewish people and all came to attack us and kill us and thousands of people were killed so that happened as a result from the Declaration so on that day all that happened is we started a war we didn't there was no Miracle on the fact that we read a piece of paper what they want to say and some people look at it as okay nobody forces you to do anything on the fourth of July in America uh it's American independence day if you want to have a barbecue have a barbecue you want to fly the flag fly the flag you want to watch fireworks fly fireworks but there's no imposition somehow does it become a bell weather um Dr David lucens tells the story that uh he was meeting once with the head of the Jewish agency about a program in Asha Torah and he says well I I don't want to support this program because Asha Torah is not a Zionist organization and he says why is that say they don't say hello and youro he says and tell me sir do you say it on Passover are are you honestly setting a religious standard to determine whether or not someone should get funding Only If You observe Judaism which I don't keep the way that I decided you should keep it I'm going to be your rabinal overseer you don't believe in freedom of religion to impose your version of of something that you yourself don't even do the pun of was uh like I said the brisker ROV was more towards the negative side punish was less towards the negative side and in fact in uh in panovich they didn't say on I don't know about today but pun of J used to do someone asked him once what do you do on uh yat he says I do the same thing as Boran I don't say and I don't say Hal and he would fly the Israeli flag somebody said to him once you put that shata on top of your Yeshiva he says when I was in the Yeshiva was in Lithuania I put the Lithuanian flag on top of my Yeshiva if I could put that piece of shata on I could put this piece of shat on but uh a lot of people were just caught in the middle I don't know what to do the official AA good Israel position is Israel's a country it does good things and it does bad things when it does good things we should applaud it when it does bad things we should criticize it and that's the approach uh that many people take y you know I don't fast and uh and uh tear Korea and I don't say h and where you big day Y and as it says in the reat Israel s sing sing shos to the tune of you know say I don't do those things I recognize it that's their position so uh to my mind the best that we can hope for is tolerance let's tolerate each other people want to say Hal and treat as a Yanti that's fine I was going to Yeshiva on y I go to Yesa on Kana you know and a neighbor calls out and says David where you going I'm going to Yeshiva go on I said what should I do you have to have a barbecue I said we having one of you goes oh okay say the aot is a BARC I don't know why why why why I will tell you the one thing that I have never gotten an answer to and I would be so happy if someone could explain this to me I have not gotten a reasonable answer and I know sometimes people do reach out to me with with answers when I pose these types of questions but I I I just can't figure it out and that is um if you hold that a nce took place on he ear if that's your position and that's why we say Hal because of that Miracle so the rabut came out with a position that if y comes out on uh Friday or Sunday they make it a they push it back to Thursday because they don't want shabas if you start the celebrations Saturday night they know people will be preparing on chabas if it's on Friday during the day it'll go into chabas so they push it back to Thursday okay that means that you're celebrating it on gimmel how can you say Hal on gimel if you hold a nce took place on hayy you can't say it on giml so someone said to me Tak uhar yes they say it on uh on uh hey no matter when it comes out even if they push the celebrations to a different day H is a dinner in the day but for all those places where they say h on a on gimel ER how in the world do they explain that so this is a mystery that I don't understand okay so quickly about the other two days that are somewhat controversial and that is yah and Y zikaron you almost show is a real problem when you have one specific day of course begs the question why you don't have a specific day for the Spanish Inquisition or for the the pgrs in uhi which wiped out uh 90% of Eastern Europe or you know all the other different tragedies that we've suffered and the answer is we do have a day it's called Tish so why are you taking a different day for the Holocaust and why you putting it in Nissan Nissan is not allowed to have any public mourning if someone dies during Nissan you don't even say a hpit there are people are knowing not to go to a cemetery and you put y during Nissan which goes against all of what we know to be Jewish tradition number one number two you honor it with the moment of silence that's something that we Jews don't do one thing we never do is keep our mouth [Laughter] shut yeah we DAV we say we sayos we say different kind of things non-jews honor it with a moment of silence something as unique as the Holocaust when you're not allowed to have a public uh commemoration you do it by us using a non-jewish method to commemorate the most Jewish event that you could possibly imagine the destruction of world jewelry that's what you choose to do that's why there are people who are very unhappy with this and it goes down to the root and the root is actually a somewhat dark chapter of Jewish history and that is the following Holocaust Survivors who came back to Israel hid the fact that they were Holocaust Survivors because they were being made fun of by the Israelis the nickname for Holocaust Survivors was sabon soap you went like sheep to the slaughter you let them kill you why didn't you rise up and that's why the day that they to chose for yah was the day of the war Sor ghetto Uprising and the official day is Holocaust Memorial for Heroes and moders a hero is someone who died with a gun in his hand and a mar is somebody who got killed oh well the blba and so many other Jews who kept kosher in the concentration camps under starvation conditions they're not Heroes no because they didn't have a gun in their hands and uh and the fact that you are trying to um cast dispersions on the Jews who went to their death I spoke to some people who were in this situation says what are we supposed to do you know here you are and and and your little you're on the verge of starvation you know so you're strong so you run away and join the partisans what happens to your parents and your grandparents what happens to your children and your grandchildren What happened to the children in the elderly a million of the people who got killed in the Holocaust were little children so do you abandon them do you leave you fight do you save yourself if a a place uh would Rebel and and fight they killed everybody in the city and the city next to them and the city on the other side of them so you ready to take on everybody's lives so okay after the fact you know that everyone's going to die but you didn't know that at the time time so that's why there are a lot of people who are not happy with it and I'm old enough to remember during the students struggle for Soviet jewelry that they said to add a fourth matzah to the Seder the matzah of Hope as if there are not enough um signs of slavery already in the Seder you have to add an extra M needless to say even the people who started doing it stopped it because it was just a it was a silly unnecessary addition in 1992 when the Rabin government came to power and the merits party uh was given the education Ministry so this was already 1992 and the merits minister of Education said Holocaust Memorial Day Y is no longer relevant we should change it into a day of Nashville suffering for all people the slavery of the blacks in America The Armenian Genocide you know because uh you can't just have a whole day just focusing on [Laughter] Jews yeah this is the problem the last one is yikon the fact that there's a day to honor Israel's Fallen I think that's definitely appropriate I don't I don't think there's anything wrong with that the objection once again is the fact that the way they chose to honor Jews who died as kesem and let's be clear a soldier who dies fighting against uh the uh the enemies they're not just fighting you because you're an Israeli they're fighting you because you're a Jew and the protests that have been brok breaking out across the world make it clear it's not about Israel it's about Jews so um uh it's a it's a powerful it's a powerful message to be able to watch and to be able to see and the only way you could think to honor them was with a moment of silence that you took from the non-jewish culture you can't say let's take that opportunity and say to Hill for a minute everyone share cap to something where we all join together this is the problem it also becomes kind of emotional so only if you died wearing a uniform what if you were out of uniform and you got killed do you get remembered on yaran what if you were killed in a terrorist attack do you get remember on and this becomes a very once again emotional issue but just to understand the position of the people who have difficulty with it that's the idea and the least clear of all of these is of course yam because who's not happy that we got back the old city do you say Hollow on that that's the question it's a h question do you say Halo do you not say Halo there are people who uh would not even consider saying it on y who consider saying it on on um the M famously of course says Hollow but that's because a bomb dropped directly on the isiv and didn't explode and they were miraculously saved they had a nce that took place for them but what's the approach and the the the again the difficulty is that it became politicized it became a political day and uh and like all things in Israel it's complicated everything's complicated here everything is very emotional because life here is life and death yeah these protesters who were protesting demanded that they get brought vegan food and and uh bottled water and that's human rights violation yeah we have a different idea of human rights violation people killing us attacking us so hasem they'll come a time when we'll all get along mhia will come that of course will solve all the problems but in the meantime hopefully the people who say Hal can respect the people who don't and the people who don't say Hal will respect the people who do and they won't be fighting everybody's following what they're doing handling uh things in the way that their rabbis have advised them to and uh like I say fights don't usually break out over GS and uh and as far as I'm concerned that's much more of an important issue in Judaism because if you go into PES and you can't have a then you have to question whether or not it's even worthwhile to be a Jew so uh but certainly I wouldn't say saying H is more important than saying kma twice a day and uh I was once ding in a in a um and I'll never forget when it came to the for the Medina everyone turned to look at me to see if I was saying it I said R you watched me like this when I said kishma that I wouldn't mind so much because if you're worried that I'm not observing in my Judaism correctly and you want to make sure that I'm a better Jew I can appreciate that but just to try to impose religious sanctions on people that shouldn't be what the Juda Jewish people all about and that's it for this episode if you want to find out more about the show you can go to my website rey.com you can post a question you can sign up for one of our online shm you can uh um look at past recordings leave a comment uh send an email sponsor an episode sponsor question and answer and uh uh be part of the RAB olowski Community that's it for this week until next time I am de olowski and this has been the rabbi olowski show it's the rabbi orlovski show Torah and S ready to go the rabbi orlovski show knowledge and wisdom will help you bro lots of fun in every episode and we don't have to rhyme no we don't it's the RAB orlovski show on Rabbi ori. comom Tor anytime you two and more it's Rabbi orlovski show 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