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before Pesach, hence the matzah tie.
Yeah?
And uh
uh [clears throat] I want to
say a few words beforehand
and you'll see why I'm saying this when
I get to the
to the point. I started my career
in uh youth work
in uh 1978
in uh Los Angeles.
I had a chapter there.
I have to say to this day I still have a
relationship with a number of the people
who were in the chapter, which is pretty
amazing. I mean, it's
a million years ago about
>> [snorts]
>> a million 500,000. I'm not sure exactly,
but it was a long time ago.
>> [snorts]
>> And uh
and I was successful. I went on from
there to be the Long Island director of
NCSY. I was successful in Long Island,
but in California at that time I could
have become a god and made my own cult.
Uh
I didn't. What can I tell you?
If I could speak Yiddish, I could become
a rebbe.
>> [laughter]
>> I already have chassidim. I just don't I
just don't know how to speak Yiddish and
you know, I could put on the lebushen
everything and I could go for the cane,
but you know, the uh
you know, if you can't really be a a
rebbe without Yiddish, more or less. But
anyway, so more's the pity. But um
uh when I went from there to Long
Island, so I was there in the 1980s. I
was building Long Island NCSY.
And uh
one of my former NCSYers
in Los Angeles uh was getting married.
Now, to suddenly travel 3,000 miles to
California uh
is no small
uh feat at that time. I had a bunch of
little kids, me and my wife.
So uh they understood. They understood I
couldn't really come out for it.
But that week
a friend of mine's wife suddenly passed
away.
And I didn't hesitate.
I got myself a ticket even though
obviously when you do a ticket at the
last minute it's much more expensive. I
don't know about today, but back then
you could get a super saver ticket if
you
reserved 3 weeks in advance and if you
got it at the last minute it was much
more expensive.
I flew out just for the day. By the way,
it's more expensive if you don't save
overnight.
We'll pay shiva call.
And on the plane ride back I thought to
myself,
"How is it I have time for tragedy and I
don't have time for simcha?"
So I called up my friend and I said,
uh "I won't make for the chasseneh, but
I'll make it for shabbos shabbos
brachos."
And
>> [clears throat]
>> uh
me and my wife flew out.
And uh and we had
uh we we spent shabbos shabbos brachos.
In fact, it was funny at the end.
Um
you know, I'd been running
NCSY for so many years, so we got
together Friday night. We had an oneg.
And then I said uh
"Does everyone have a way home? Is
Do you have you know, should we set up
walking groups?" And
they looked at me and they said, "Orlow,
that's how I used to be known back then.
Orlow, we're all in our 20s. We can get
home."
>> [laughter]
>> Well, you never grow up. That's what my
mom used to say to me. You know, long as
long as uh your your mom and dad are
around you can you you never grow up.
You know, just the way it is.
I was in my
uh
50s.
I was already a somewhat accomplished uh
rabbinic figure.
I was going to speak someplace. My mom
says to me, "That's a nice outfit. Don't
get it dirty."
>> [laughter]
>> She doesn't know how I get dressed
without her, you know.
Never grow up, you know.
But after that that became my clever
line. We always have time for tragedy
and we don't have time for simcha.
Well,
I had the zchus
to have a chavrusa with Reb Moshe
Shapiro.
I would not be so brazen as to call him
my rebbe
and I know for a fact he never called me
a talmid.
>> [laughter]
>> I know it for a fact.
But that's okay. That's okay, you know.
But I had a chavrusa with with
I have to tell you, there were
hundreds and hundreds of people who had
a chavrusa with Reb Moshe. There was not
And he was giving shiurim constantly and
running around and talking to people.
There was never a time when I said, "I
have to talk to you or I have to bring
one of my kids to you" that he didn't
make time within 24 hours.
It's what a zchus what a zchus to be
able to have that chavrusa.
Anyway, he was sitting shiva for his
mother and I went to pay a shiva call
and I said my usual clever line, yeah.
I said, "We always have time for tragedy
but never have time for simcha." He
looks at me and he goes,
"Zeh lo inyan b'chalal."
>> [laughter]
>> Cuz I always get it wrong. He says,
"That's that's not it at all." And he
said to me, "You say two yesodos that I
that the older I get the more true I
realize they are."
He [snorts] says,
"The reason you go to a simcha is so
that the person would not be upset at
you."
And I know this
the you know, somebody was at
a
rebbe
uh in training. He wasn't a rebbe yet.
Today he's a rebbe. At his chasseneh.
And there were two rebbes sitting there
and somebody was nearby.
And one of them asked the other, "How
long are you going to stay?" And he
said, "Till they take the picture."
>> [laughter]
>> Then we could go. But you show up so the
person won't be upset.
You know.
I don't usually contribute to a simcha.
I'm not a great dancer.
If I happen to be speaking, I'm
speaking, but if I'm not speaking, then
I just look for an empty table and I sit
there.
At a bar mitzvah in Israel, in America,
it's a whole different deal, but a bar
mitzvah in Israel, they bring you a
plate with like three different types of
potatoes. They have like, you know, a
potato kugel and potato burek,
maybe potato in the shape of a swan.
They bring you some
grilled vegetables that were grilled
sometime before the Gulf War, the first
Gulf War.
And it's just, you know, it's just a sad
plate. Somebody told Eddie we shall make
kugel to make sure you get all your
starches and, you know, I'll sit at the
table. If somebody knows me and they
come over and they go, "Oh, Rabbi
Lopian, they want to talk to me." Fine.
But I don't know how to socialize.
I never did because in order to
socialize, you have to be able to make
small talk and I don't know how.
And that's why I never got a second date
with any girl I went out with, including
my wife.
>> [laughter]
>> Cuz when you go on a date, you have to
be able to make small talk. Talk about
nothing.
I don't know how to do that. I know you
watch the podcast and you say, "Hey, you
do fine over here." But people who
actually listen know that there's always
a method to my madness.
I
even when it looks like I'm talking
about nothing, I'm doing something.
Yeah.
>> [laughter]
>> And I once gave a Shabbos Shuva drasha.
It was very funny. Funny the whole time,
you know.
And somebody told me they heard these
three ladies leaving and they said, "You
realize we just got very strong mussar."
>> [laughter]
[snorts]
>> So, you know, I cover it over. I
sugarcoat it, you know. Like Miracle
Max,
you know, says, you know, you put the
little chocolate on the outside, makes
it easier to swallow.
>> [laughter]
>> So, yeah, that's the um
uh
you know, I [clears throat] took around
the but just to sit there and say
nothing.
Now, there are certain guys who are
great at this. They're they're terrific
daters, you know. They know how to tell
camp
uh color war breakout stories.
They know how to wax poetic about a
cholent they had once. Guys have
sometimes the most amazing ability to
to, you know, an ode to cholent, you
know. And they'll talk about cholent and
if there's kishka, forget about it. They
can go on for days, you know.
>> [laughter]
>> And I'm
much more of an ideas guy.
And I like to get to know people.
And um
uh and I and I try to talk to people and
find out about them. And then, you know,
I would have girls who say, "Why are you
cross-examining me?"
I said, "I was just asking you questions
about who you are, your family, like,
you know, like I I didn't realize, you
know." So, you have to be able to talk
about nothing and I'm not good at that.
So, when you go to a social affair,
that's what you have to do.
And you read your Emily Dickinson and I
my Robert Frost and we mark our place
with bookmarkers that measure what we've
lost. [singing]
And the room is slowly softly fading. I
cannot see you. You're a shadow to me
now, lost in the dangling conversation.
The superficial sighs, the borders of my
lives. Simon and Garfunkel.
We actually learned that in English
class as poetry. Yeah.
And
that's what it is, you know. Talk about
nonsense. Yes, we speak of things that
matter and words that must be said. Can
analysis be worthwhile? Is the theater
really dead?
And that's it. So, I'm not good at that.
So, I don't do well in social
situations.
So,
So, Reb Moshe says that's not why you
go. You go to a simcha so that people
um
won't be insulted.
And in fact,
I had a friend who was making a bar
mitzvah. This story must be
30 years old.
I thought we were close, you know.
He was making a bar mitzvah and I
thought to myself,
why am I going to go?
I'm
I'm not going to speak. I'll sit at the
table by myself. It's not a
Anyway, he called me up afterwards and
asked me, "Why aren't you at the bar
mitzvah?"
So, I told the truth,
which is never a good policy. I said,
"Well, I didn't think it made a
difference if I came." He goes, "That's
how much you think of me?"
And he never spoke to me again.
He was so angry.
I learned my lesson.
I show up. I sit at an empty table. I
eat my plate of starches. I give my
you know,
my safer, you know. I say goodbye and I
leave and and as long as you were there,
you want to make sure you were there.
I don't do anything there. It doesn't
make a difference, but you have to put
in an appearance.
So, you go to a simcha so people
shouldn't uh
you know, be offended. He says, "But you
go to a house of shiva because the
person really needs you."
And I thought to myself, me
on one hand and Reb Moshe Shapiro on the
other hand, really needs me?
Amazing thing.
Now, the truth of the matter is, I've
gone to houses of shiva
where
clearly the person didn't need me.
>> [laughter]
>> And I've gone to simchas
where [clears throat] it clearly made no
difference if I was there or not.
I drove out to Ramat Gan once and I came
for the
>> [clears throat]
>> chuppah and I parked far away to be able
to get to this very fancy hall.
And I wanted to give the
father, who we're friendly, uh mazel
tov. And I'm waiting online. He's
talking to this one, this one, this one
and he's just talking to somebody. So,
finally I I'm there a very long time and
I just walk up with my most congenial
manner and I go, "Mazel tov." And he
goes, "Oh, thanks for coming." And he
goes back to his conversation.
>> [laughter]
>> And I drove an hour, walked for 20
minutes to be able to get that marvelous
reception, you know.
So, sometimes you go, it doesn't make a
difference. Sometimes I go to a house of
shiva and people are talking and I'm
I'm sitting there three rows back and
he doesn't
they don't acknowledge me. They don't
say anything. They don't this. And uh
it's uh
I'm I'm using Reb Moshe's rule and
assuming, you know, somehow my presence
must be doing something to bring some
kind of an achama.
On the other hand,
sometimes I show up at a
simcha
and it may not even be somebody that I'm
that close to and they're so happy that
I'm there.
My my wife, cuz I'm on the on the boy's
side, you know. Uh I'm on the boy's
side, she's on the girl's side, you
know. So, they said she was a good
kallah.
And I was wondering, what's a good
What's a bad kallah, you know? So, a
good kallah is somebody who looks around
and sees who's there and makes sure to
pull them in.
To be able to include them. And there
chasanim like that, too, that they they
look who's there and they pull you in to
to let you know that the fact that you
came is being acknowledged. Yeah. So,
sometimes I show up to a simcha and the
people seem genuinely thrilled that I'm
there. I don't know if they are or not,
but at least they fake it and I think
that's really good, too, you know, cuz
at least you feel like, okay, I didn't
schlep out for nothing. Yeah.
And um
uh and sometimes you go to a house of
shiva
and the person really wants to talk to
you.
Really wants to talk to you.
And uh it's amazing.
Amazing. You know.
I once went to a house of shiva and it
was only I came in the morning, it was
only family there.
And the father says, "Oh, baruch Hashem,
Rabbi Lopian is here. I heard him say on
a tape once we can understand why
tragedies happen. So, he's going to
explain to us why Zaidy died."
And I was like the only one there. I was
like,
"Yeah."
>> [laughter]
>> And I did.
But that's for another story. Yeah. But
um
uh
the
the fact that you go someplace and
somebody,
you know, like they ask you, "Please
come up front." And they want to talk to
you and they want to involve you, etc.
All of this is by way of introduction.
And and the way of introduction is the
following.
I had this zchus to have a kesher with
uh a Reb Alter Yachnes, zatzal.
Now,
if you knew him, you knew him by his
name Rebbi Alter.
He was known as Rebbi Alter.
He would take his guitar. He would go to
different schools, go to different
classes and he would sing and he would
make leibedik and
you know,
his most famous song that, of course,
went platinum. Paro be pajama be amsa
laila. Paro be pajama be amsa laila.
Paro be pajama be amsa laila. Ay ay ay
ay ay. So, everybody knows that, you
know.
And somebody even spoke about it at his
levaya, you know.
Anyway, he suddenly got sick. It wasn't
even clear what he had.
And and they said he's not going to make
it through the night.
Now, I was friendly with him.
You know, whenever we'd see him, we we
would talk, etc., you know?
There was small talk there, you know?
And I get a call from the family.
My father wants to see you.
I'm thinking to myself, you're on your
deathbed and you want to see me?
>> [laughter]
>> Full disclosure, I don't want to see me
on my deathbed.
>> [laughter]
>> But uh
And I couldn't go. They said, "We don't
think he'll last the night." I was like,
"I got to the next day." Baruch Hashem,
he lasted.
He lasted for a while. You know, he kept
beating the odds. They kept They kept
writing him off and they couldn't figure
out what was wrong with him. They didn't
know how to treat him.
A terrible, terrible story.
And um
But I went down to the to the
hospital and sat in his room.
Turns out he would watch the Rabbi
Avigdor Miller show. He enjoyed it, you
know?
>> [laughter]
>> And one of his kids had a guitar and
started playing and we were singing, you
know?
It was something very special.
And uh
And when he was nifter
I went to pay a shiva call.
And [clears throat] I got this
amazing reaction from the family.
They said, "You know, he held from you
so much. He so enjoyed listening to you.
You You meant so much to him." I said,
"Listen, Rabbi Avigdor was
you know, he's He's an institution. I'm
I'm a guy, you know? He's somebody
special. He's He's a
uh you know?
He's next level, you know?
And and his daughters wanted to speak to
me also, you know? I can go by go by go
by the women's side, you know?
And and it impressed on me how much
I meant to Rabbi Avigdor and Rabbi
Avigdor meant to me and meant really to
call yourself.
So this is a somewhat morbid
introduction to what I wanted to talk
about first.
And that is getting ready for Pesach.
>> [laughter]
[gasps]
>> Pesach's right around the corner. I put
on my matzah tie and everything, yeah?
One of the things we used to do
is
There There are certain There are
certain
um I'm saying tapes cuz I'm old, you
know?
Uh recordings
that have meaning.
All of my kids grew up listening to the
Purim story.
We'd play it
over and over again the week before
Purim. They know the whole thing by
heart. They use the
the lines in normal conversation. The
Purim story, you know?
And they'll quote lines, you know? From
those things. Uh And remember
you know,
Hashem will always be
with you. I can't tell you how many
times kids would like leave the house
and one of their sisters would say,
"Remember, Hashem will always be uh with
you, you know?"
>> [laughter]
>> Every line they would they would access,
you know?
So um
Mordecai, I didn't know we were talking
about Mordecai. [laughter]
And it was not the the week before
Pesach without Rabbi Avigdor's Pesach
tape.
And we had it in Hebrew, we had it in
English, you know? But the Hebrew one
There's
There's two people like this that I can
think of. There might be others, but
just off the top of my head. That when
they talk you can hear them smiling.
All right? Rabbi Scharfman is one of
that. If you listen to him sing, it
sounds like he's smiling. Shalom shalom
rav.
You can You can hear the smile. And
Rabbi Avigdor was like that. Shalom
yeladim.
>> [laughter]
>> And
it was getting ready for Pesach. You
know, are you already ready for Pesach?
And the kids were yes, we already
cleaned everything, we have everything
ready. He goes, "Did you already have
the seder?" No. He goes,
"Oh, it's a little bit late. Get ready,
you know?" And there's this enthusiasm
and excitement.
I've done a lot of interesting projects
over the years.
There was a pirate radio station called
Kol Simcha.
And Reuven Subar
from Ohr Someayach had on Friday morning
English programming.
And I used to do a uh divrei Torah on
the parsha on this show. Yeah? And uh It
was a lot of fun. No one knows where it
is. I mean, eventually they they closed
it down cuz it was a pirate radio
station and you know, I don't think any
other station wants to give us American,
you know, English programming.
But uh it was it was a phenom People
were listening all over the country. It
was really something special.
And um
And no one even knows he did it.
I did these cassette tapes
where I played some sort of a rabbi
character telling a story.
It starts with an introduction from a
professional voice man.
Little Tommy was lying on the hospital
bed waiting to find if the operation
would be successful. Anyway, it was a
2-minute introduction from this guy and
then I spoke for 45 minutes.
And it took him longer to do his
2-minute introduction cuz he was a
professional voice guy than it took me
to do 45 minutes. I don't know what's
ever happened to those cassettes.
>> [laughter]
>> Yeah, I'm sure they're out there
someplace, but like they disappeared. So
the There are different projects that
you do
uh
um
over the years.
I don't know what really happened to it.
So
this fellow was filming. He wanted to do
a sort of a show.
And he did four
pilot episodes.
Starting moi, if you will.
And uh they were interview shows and
different topics and it was an
interesting kind of thing we did. It was
a
It was a uh
um
a show. He also had a professional voice
man introducing it, you know?
And um
And I uh
I remember I interviewed this rabbetzin
before Pesach about Pesach cleaning.
And she says, "I think Pesach cleaning
can be a very positive thing." And I was
like, "Oh, come on, you know? Nobody
wants to clean for Pesach. Nobody does.
Nobody that, you know?" And uh that was
more or less the the topic over there.
How to make Pesach cleaning happy and
meaningful, etc.
So
now with Pesach around
if you're staying home and you have not
cleaned it, I really suggest you get to
work.
>> [laughter]
>> Cuz time is ticking away. Ticka ticka
ticka ticka ticka ticka, you know?
Before you know it, it's over.
And people get so involved.
You do not need to sort out all of the
magazines.
I don't know why that is a pre-Pesach
job. I got a big stack of magazines,
newspapers. I have to go through them,
see what I'm going to save, what I'm not
going to save.
There's nothing there. You don't have to
rip out pages with pictures of chametz,
you know? That just put it off to the
side.
Now, there's one woman who the story
goes the rabbi says, "We're so busy
cleaning and cleaning." It was erev
Pesach and she says, "Rabbi, I didn't
get to clean the refrigerator.
Do I have to clean it?" He goes, "Of
course you do. It's filled with chametz.
What What What are you talking about?
What were you doing instead?"
The trisim
you know, the windows
and the baseboards, you know?
Switching over the children's clothing
from winter to spring
you know?
None of those things are the
obligations. Start with the obligations.
Remember one person told the story, he
says
I start with the kitchen.
I know it's counterintuitive because,
you know, the house is all chametz. I do
the kitchen first cuz those are the
hardest jobs and the most important and
then I work out from there.
That's an interesting way of looking at
it. The idea of getting ready for Pesach
is so amazing.
And like I say when you're playing the
Rabbi Avigdor tape the Pesach tape in
the background, it adds to it, you know?
When you have music going, when you have
things going on that we are doing the
avodah b'simcha.
I once heard Rabbi Fishman, the uh
mashgiach in Torah Temima in Shaar
Hashamayim
He says, "Kodesh Baruch Hu is going to
say you have to get rid of all of your
chametz.
Uh m'stama he could have said get rid of
all of your fleishig for a week.
Yeah?
And wouldn't be such a big deal. How far
is a kid going to walk with a polkie,
you know what I mean?
That's big a deal.
But chametz, you can find it everywhere.
My grandchildren, you know, like
squirrels, you know? They hide it away.
You find it in the bookcase hidden over
here, hidden over there.
Friend of mine was an avreich says, you
know, I was cleaning out the bottom of
my uh closet and someone had stuck a uh
a cookie inside of my shoe. Not a cookie
like a midrash, like, you know, like a
like an actual cookie.
>> [laughter]
>> And you know, when the little kids get
their shalach manos, they hide it all
over the house to make sure their
brothers and sisters don't take it, you
know? So it's a major job.
So he says, "Because that's the concept
of avdus.
We
we didn't go down to Mitzrayim because
it was bad luck.
Uh circumstances did not go against us.
That there was just a series of mishaps
that caused us to become avadim. We went
down to Mitzrayim to become avadim.
That's what Hashem told Avraham.
V'avadum v'inu oisam. You're going to to
be slaves, you're going to be oppressed.
Why?
Cuz that's part of becoming an ever
Hashem.
And there is no greater praise.
We say I remember you know.
Say ever Hashem. And you know
says Aaron and [clears throat] Moshe,
what do you want from us?
We're nobody. We're just We're just very
mean to Hashem and Moshe of day.
We're slaves to Hashem. We do whatever
Hashem says. We're not We're not
uh
you know
the people in charge.
We just avoid them.
But we were been a I remember you can
Yakov.
We were rich. We were powerful. We were
smart.
Benay Israel was courted by kings and uh
and princes and uh the greatest
intellectuals and the greatest people of
the generation. Everyone knew who we
were.
And
we
had to learn to become a slave.
That's not easy.
I did a question and answer and
kinds of the slavery in the Torah and um
And I don't know if I made this point at
the time, but
part part and parcel of that
is
that we're also supposed to be slaves.
Anna Anna Anna
I have a daughter that could be a shower
who
I know I am a slave of a college by her.
And here Fishman said
they translate in English as a servant.
A servant is somebody that you hire who
can quit at any time. You are not a
servant. You are a slave.
And college by her is our master.
I need a of the
banana masa.
I am a slave the son of a slave woman.
And we understand that we have to learn
of this.
And in fact prior said I'm transferring
you over as a bottom for me to a bottom
to Hashem.
But to be free?
That's never been the goal of being a
year.
To be free. Now what do I mean by being
free?
I mean free to be able to follow our
religion, free to be able to learn, but
to have care?
Just to do whatever you want?
To to be a wild animal? Now wild animal
is free.
He runs around. He eats eats other
animals. He He does whatever he wants.
Yeah, there's no limitations.
It says when you have a young calf
you can put that these little like
rubber owls
um yolks that they would put on them.
So the time and they're young
they learn how to be ready to pull a
plow.
Because
from the time you're little you
understand you're here to work.
And so when we have children we have to
instruct them from the time that they're
little
that they're here to do something.
A parent who tells the kid do whatever
you want.
I don't care what you do.
Go to sleep, don't go to sleep, go to
school, don't go to school.
Brush your teeth, don't brush your
teeth, eat candy all day. I don't really
care what you do.
Bathe, don't bathe,
makes no difference to me.
That's not a great parent.
That's a form of child abuse. It's
called neglect.
We had a fundraiser when I was running
NCSY.
Candy.
We sell candy. Have these special
fundraising candy bars.
And we go around selling them.
And the kids
you know they they sell for a dollar a
piece and
um
you get credit for how many you sell and
you get prizes and stuff and
I think we make 50 cents on a bar
something. That's the way it works.
Yeah.
I was this one girl took like 20 bars
and when they were collecting the money
they said where are the 20 bars? She
says I didn't sell them.
I said okay, well where are the bars?
And I says I ate them.
So we thought that's strange. She seems
like a nice girl.
So someone went down to the house. And
the mother was an alcoholic. There was
no food in the house.
Kid was hungry.
So she has these 20 candy bars. That's
what she lived on.
We eventually got her out of the house.
We got her in with a foster family.
But uh
you know
you uh
you [clears throat] you look at a kid
like this and they have nothing.
That's called neglect.
And that's just same
you know, so you're not beating the kid
but it's another form of abuse. It's
called neglect.
You know, give it to somebody else.
Give it to somebody who appreciates the
kid.
Wants the kid. You don't care.
You have no use for it.
I never thought this happens in from
families too, you know.
>> [snorts]
>> Where people neglect their kids.
You know.
But the crown tells a story. It's a
heartbreaking story.
And he says this teenage girl steals the
after common.
And the father says what would you like
for the after common? And she says how
about a conversation?
Others will burn him had a video
where this kid asks his father how much
money do you make an hour? So he tells
him.
He pulls out a jar with little coins and
he says
can I buy 10 minutes of your time?
Unfortunately we get on neglect and and
and uh
and from homes too.
You know.
Because why? Because we tend to
problem solve.
Kind of how we have large families and
uh
Well when I used to be in education they
used to say
10% of the kids get 90% of the time.
Cuz they're very demanding.
And whenever I would teach or I was
involved in a school I would always say
I'm there for the 90%.
Who nobody else is looking after. That's
who I want.
A nice normal kid who's doing the right
thing and is struggling and just wants
someone to take an interest in them.
To be free?
Where nobody cares about you?
Somebody told me an interesting story.
I sent my daughter to a seminary that I
thought would be good for my girls as a
happy positive place.
It was not one of the harsh shiv
high schools here in Israel seminary.
And that's very important to people.
In fact at one point in my naivete
I was actually going to start my own
seminary based on my educational
principles. When I say seminary I mean
seminary like high school.
And a lot of people said to me it sounds
great.
I said will you send your daughter? Says
if I can't get her into any place else.
I said but don't you agree this is the
best thing for your daughter? He goes oh
yeah, of course.
And two people actually said to me
I'd rather send my daughter to a high
school that will turn her off from
Judaism but will be good for she do him
than to send it to a place where she'll
be happy but won't have such a good name
for she do him.
So uh
So I had a friend of mine said where are
you sending your daughters? And I told
him.
And he says how is it there? And I told
him stories and he says wow, that sounds
great. I wish I had the courage to send
my daughter there.
I said what do you mean?
Says she was accepted in one of the top
high schools.
And
I'll describe it to you as following he
says.
I went to dental school.
And part of being a dental school is
that people you have a clinic. People
come off
the street with dental problems who
can't afford dental care.
And
we give them dental care for free.
A lot of places are like this.
My uncle Bernie
who became a barber hair stylist.
And the same thing the hair styling
places were on the Bowery. So somebody
would come in for free to get a haircut,
get a shave.
So there's this drunk passed out in his
chair and he's giving him a haircut.
And he nicks his ear and cuts his neck
and then whatever it is. The guy's lying
there.
When he's all done he says you're done.
And the guy staggers out of the chair
and he says
I sleep in our street.
I eat garbage. But from now on I'll pay
for a haircut.
>> [laughter]
>> My uncle was so upset, but my father
loved that story. He would tell it all
the time.
>> [laughter]
>> I'll pay for a haircut.
So he did dental schools some places
like this and people come in.
So he says
you know, find the easiest case you can.
Then you'll get a good mark and you'll
do it. You know, there's a cavity, drill
the cavity, fix it, fill it, you know,
whatever it is. Take something easy. You
don't want to take a cracked tooth. You
don't want to take these. These are
harder things.
So, after a
few months, I realized I'm not learning
how to become a dentist.
So, the next time when they brought in
from the clinic, I took the hardest
case.
I did terrible on it.
And I got a low mark.
And the head of the program said to me,
"What are you doing?"
I said, "I'm trying to learn to become a
dentist." And he said to me,
"Your goal is to come in here,
graduate,
and leave without anyone ever knowing
who you are."
He says, "That's what this high school
is like.
No one cares about you. No one's
interested in you.
It's
uh
it's a scary thing.
Yeah?
And um
someone just asked me over Shabbos how
to be a successful teacher.
And uh
I tell the story about this person who
was speaking to a group of teachers and
said, "Say your name and what you
teach."
So, he says,
"Uh I teach geography. I teach
chemistry. I teach English."
When he was all done, he says, "No one
gave me the right answer.
You teach students.
And that's going to be your concern
is the people who are there.
When I was in Discovery,
Ari Kahn told me a Yiddish word that was
so important. He said, "Don't ask a
Don't answer the question. Answer the
questioner.
Figure out why the person is asking this
and what they want to know.
Because
the answer will be different depending
on different things.
So, when the mirror got to Shanghai,
so the Germans had basically sent a
message to the Japanese to basically
exterminate these people.
So, the
general in charge
said uh
"I um
I want to speak to the people in charge
of your group."
So, it was Khayim Shmuel Levovits and
the Amshinov Rebbe.
And he said,
"My question is why do the Germans hate
the Jews?"
So, Khayim Shmuel Levovits says, "This
is a question for a Rebbe."
So, Amshinov Rebbe looked at him and
said,
"They hate us because they're Aryan and
we're Oriental."
Now, by the way, the Middle East was
always called the Orient.
Right? And that's why it was called the
There was it was called the East and the
Far East.
So, it was still considered Oriental
people.
And the general said, "That's what we
thought.
And we're probably next in line. We'll
make sure you're safe."
All right, great answer. But that was
the end. Whether or not it's a correct
answer or not, it was the answer for
that situation to be able to explain it.
And people understand it. Yeah?
And so, when you
uh
approach a situation,
right?
You have to know, right? How am I going
into this? What am I trying to
accomplish?
To To be able to know how to answer
somebody, but you have to know the
person.
And so, when a kid goes to a school and
their goal is you should come here and
graduate and we never know who you are.
Tom Lehrer,
a professor of mathematics and uh
Harvard University, was best known for
writing funny songs. So, he wrote a song
about his old days in Harvard.
And uh the line, you know, towards the
end it says,
"And we'll sleep through all the
classes, and we'll cheat on the exams,
and we'll pass and be forgotten with the
rest."
That's how it goes.
No one knows who you are.
When I used to teach in seminary, so I
had between 40 and 50 girls in a class,
and I had two classes.
Twice a week.
It wasn't like every day. It's twice a
week.
And um
the first semester I worked really hard
to get down the names. Now, that's
between 80 and 100 names.
My memory is not [clears throat] my
strong point.
But by the end of the first semester, I
basically knew who everybody was.
And one time, one of the girls asked,
"Why are you doing this? Nobody does
this."
Most of the teachers look down at the
desk and go, you know, call out the the
roll and then check the names.
Sometimes they give it to a girl to do.
They don't even do it themselves.
I said, "Because if you're taking my
class,
I feel an obligation to know who you
are.
So, if years from now somebody calls me
up and says, 'Was so-and-so in your
class?' I can say, 'Yes.'"
Had a girl
maybe 20 years ago in my class.
She dropped in on Purim.
Says, "Do you remember me?"
And I said, "Yes, I did." And I told her
a few things to show her that I
remembered who she was. And
pretty surprised.
Cuz I had a thousand students over the
years.
Yeah? At least.
I'm going to give you
100 a year. Total of 20 years at 2,000
students.
It's quite an accomplishment.
But I worked hard to be able to know who
these people are because that's the
difference
between chinuch
and teaching. Teaching, you're teaching
material.
Chinuch, you're dedicating people to a
cause.
And so, you should know who these people
are. Make an effort.
Right? That's my attitude.
So,
um
freedom?
Freedom is overrated.
Yeah?
Freedom to be able to do whatever you
want?
Understand
that if you have no limitations,
you're completely a prisoner.
Because you're just
a creature of your tavis. You don't have
a choice.
Like the famous story of the
scorpion who asked the frog to take him
across the river. He says, "You can't
You'll sting me and I'll
He says, "If I sting you, you'll fall
into the river and I'll die, too."
That makes sense.
So, they're going across the river, and
suddenly he feels a sting in his back.
And as he's dying, he says, "Why would
you do that? You're going to die, too."
He says, "I know, but it's my nature."
Modern philosophy comes from two
sources, Calvin and Hobbes, who in fact
were named after two
uh
two philosophers. And um
and the Far Side.
And there was this Far Side
where there was this crocodile on the
witness stand.
And he looks at the prosecutor and says,
"Of course it was in cold blood. I'm a
reptile."
>> [laughter]
>> It's just the way I am.
As Popeye says, "I am what I am."
There was a documentary that came out
some decades ago
on the subject called The Lion King.
If you never saw it, let me sum it up
for you.
Basically, uh there's a lion king. And
he's in charge of all the lions, and by
extension, all the other animals. And
all the other animals are so happy that
there's a lion king.
And eventually, [clears throat]
the bad lion kills his brother, and his
son runs away, and he finally comes back
and beats his uncle, and he becomes the
new lion king. And all the animals are
cheering.
The zebras, the giraffes,
uh antelopes, everybody's cheering.
Although it's clear
that him and his friends are going to
eat them.
Cuz they eat zebras, and they eat
giraffes. That's what lions do.
So, why didn't they end the movie with
Simba announcing, "We've all decided to
become vegetarians"?
Because when a lion eats an animal, he's
not a bad lion.
That's what he's supposed to do.
Carnivores eat meat.
The only carnivore who's not allowed in
today's society meat are man.
Human beings, we're not even though
we're carnivores, we're not allowed to
eat, you know, meat. The lion can eat
it.
I remember there was this uh when the
um Exxon Valdez went down, there was
this giant oil slick in it.
You know, it was killing a lot of
animals, sea life.
So, uh they had this thing where there
was this
uh I don't know if it was a seal or a
sea otter, whatever it was. Cost
$250,000
to clean it up and get it healthy.
And they had a big show, and they
released it into the wild. And it goes
off jumping, and a
uh
either a whale or a shark goes like
hump, just swallows him.
>> [laughter]
>> And I said, "That was the most expensive
meal that thing ever had."
>> [laughter]
>> $250,000.
And that's what happens in the wild.
So, you don't say it's a bad lion cuz
he's eating people. That's what lions
do.
It's part of their nature.
The salmon will swim upstream
to spawn,
no matter how many times you explain to
them that there are fishermen waiting up
there to catch them.
So listen, spawn over here, I won't tell
anybody. Well, I'll keep watch.
They can't help it. That's their nature.
People follow their nature.
I'll take her.
Horace
Alocas Alocas
All of the laws of the Torah make you
free.
Because if you're trapped in your tyvis
and your addictions, you're not free.
You can't make a decision.
You act on instinct like an animal.
I'll never forget that scene
with Anne Bancroft and Patty Duke
in The Miracle Worker
where she was playing Helen Keller.
And Helen Keller was blind, deaf, and
dumb.
And
so Anne Sullivan comes in to try to
teach her and get through to her.
And she's sitting there eating her food
like like an animal and walking around
and taking food and she can't see, she
can't hear.
And Anne Sullivan grabs her hand and
sits her down and she starts fighting
her and fighting her.
And the family's like, "Oh, don't treat
her that way." And they said, "Please
leave."
Eventually
he was able to develop Helen Keller
to be able to go to college.
And actually she became a communist.
>> [laughter]
>> I wish you remind me of the seal that
got eaten by the
by the whale over there. But
um
you know, but he she brought her into
life.
It opened it up.
And a way that you don't even realize
it.
So, if I could do anything I want and
and I do and I have no controls
just an animal. It's not called free.
Harris means that I accept upon myself a
Kodesh Baruchu. I am an eved Hashem.
And that's what Pesach is all about.
That's why we have to do the cleaning
and searching and digging around for all
of the chametz
because we're showing avdus.
We're showing that we're an eved Hashem
who's
living our entire life only for a Kodesh
Baruchu.
So
as Reb Meish Shapiro used to say, "Zeh
ma she'er tzinah levareh."
This is what we wanted to explain this
week. This is the idea.
That all of the Pesach cleaning and like
I say, I'm going away to a hotel and so
the packing and the schlepping much
worse.
>> [laughter]
>> Love to stay home and scrub.
And I used to have people who would come
you know
uh
and and volunteer to come and help us
clean for Pesach cuz
they were staying in Yeshiva.
They just they wanted the the thrill of
cleaning for Pesach. And we were happy
to oblige them.
Yeah, we're always happy to help. Yeah.
So uh so that's the idea. The idea is
that we're going to become avdei Hashem.
This is the process. And Reb Fishman
made another observation.
The people usually don't care that much
about halacha.
You do it like this, you do it like
that.
It's good enough. I'm sure it's fine.
And what do you need that for, you know?
He says, "Comes the seder night
people start fighting over the Haggadah.
What are you doing? Mine says don't
cover the challahs. This says no, mine
doesn't say that. Yes, but what does
your Haggadah say with that? Yeah.
Suddenly they're interested in every
single instruction
that that to be able to be there even
those who don't know anything.
If not the Shulchan Aruch
used to tell the story about this woman
he met and she said, "You know, we were
making a seder and I suddenly realized I
didn't have a shank bone. So I put a
pork chop on the seder plate, you know,
so that I would have meat with a bone."
So it's no idea. But but there's that
sense that is lodged in the collective
subconscious of Klal Yisrael that this
is a time to become an eved Hashem and
to accept it upon it.
And b'mechitzas Hashem all of us should
be zocheh
to be able to have the true geulah and
true cheirus.
And now appreciation comments.
Ora Kahn
Your shiurim are absolutely great. I
enjoy every single one of them. Three
exclamation marks.
Your hashkafos haChaim is really like
oxygen in this crazy world. Thank you so
much.
I try to give over what I have received
from my rebbeim with a little dose of
you know, more
modern application perhaps.
Um I had a student very very bright.
And she went on
to become I don't know if it was a
doctor, a biologist, or something. I
don't know. Not hard sciences, you know.
And uh
and she said to me, "I don't understand
uh age of the world.
How the Torah says the age of the world.
And don't tell me answer number one cuz
I don't like it. And don't tell me
answer number two cuz I don't like it.
And don't tell me answer number three
cuz I don't like it."
I said, "Okay." And I slowly went
through the topic point by point making
sure that we agreed on each thing as we
were moving along. At the end I finally
gave an answer. And she says, "Now that
makes sense." I said, "I know. It was
answer number two. I just repackaged
it."
So I try to repackage what I received
from my rebbeim.
Um
I have a a tape.
Um
it today they would call it going viral
but
back then they they call it they used to
call it going platinum like a album that
sells a lot, you know. They call it
going platinum.
And it was uh I spoke on platonic
relationships about 35 years ago. And it
went platinum, yeah.
And uh somebody told me that Reb Shaya
Cohen
shlita
uh said
"I don't know what the big deal is. I've
been saying this for years. He just said
it better."
And that's more or less what I try to
do.
>> [laughter]
>> So thank you.
Hi Rebbi, I love this show. I listen
every week. I deeply appreciate the
amazingly deep content mixed with the
classic Rabbi Orlofsky humor. Thank you.
I I usually cover up the content with
the humor. That's what I try to do.
You know, somebody used to come to my
Motzei Shabbos shiur and one week I
couldn't come and they listened to
recording instead and they said, "You
know, when I'm in the shiur I'm I'm busy
having a good time and I miss a lot of
the stuff that you say
you say a lot of deep things."
I said, "What are you doing? Trying to
kill my parnassah? Just say he's funny."
That's what I'm here for. Yeah.
So I'm glad you saw that there's a
method to my madness.
I'm a self-identified crazy. Thank you.
I love you. Come and join us.
Yeah.
Who not only listen to every podcast
numerous times but also to almost all of
your content on Torah Anytime.
Just for the rest of you who are out
there who are not crazies, when I meet a
crazy it is frightening because whatever
I say they're mouthing it along with me.
It's so hard for me to come up with
something they don't know. So
uh yeah.
Uh I was curious if you could explain
the Gemara in Gittin daf love that says
Bavel is north of Eretz Yisrael if
factually it's east.
Uh that's an easy one.
Um it's northeast.
>> [snorts]
>> And we recognize that it's in the east
because we call Eretz Yisrael in regard
to it ma'arava, the west.
But it's also in the north. If you look
at the map, you'll see it's further
north. And so it's associated with the
north.
So
it's a little bit of both. And that's it
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