The First Date (Shidduch Series #9) (Ep. 123)

hi this is douglas olavsky welcome to the rabbi yolovsky show and whether you're watching with our friends over it's running time whoever you watch or listen to your podcast it's so nice to have you along for the experience and uh this week we have a sponsorship as a course for the donors family uh they want to be anonymous i have the source of knowing a number of members of the family and uh listen i wish everybody will i want you to have bracha and uh and ishmael nephesh and shalom and allah good to zakin as they say yeah so we're talking about shidduchim and we've talked at length about two issues namely clarifying what are your values number one and number two um making sure that you're able to communicate this to the right and like i say the shotgun doesn't have to be an official position it could be somebody who um [Music] the two of you know et cetera we discussed uh hundred the last time and what you would ideally look for and things like that so uh so now we're we're ready to move forward right you have a suggestion presumably it's been checked out already right if the shotgun knows his job knows him and knows you but uh caveat emptier as the expression goes you have an obligation to check for yourself we mentioned last time some things that people check into that to me does not seem like uh really important issues but you know basically you're going to check in to see whether or not the person is a nice person you know good people every howard has this marvelous video that uh he made with somebody about looking into a off and they're asking this question and that question you know at the end they say well are they nice people he says i tell you the truth nobody ever asked me that um i've spoken to hasidim on this subject i see them say listen you know we look at it from the point of view that there are two families they have their children's best interest in mind they arrange things as best as they can and uh you know they uh they look into both people and then you have a a lot of a lot of the work has been done beforehand for you because the assumption is that your parents know each other and so you meet you know one time two times if you're a little bit of a matter of share and that's it the rest of your life to get to know each other i was speaking to an older single who said to me listen i can't imagine my parents could do much worse than i've done at this point so uh it's an approach it's an approach i've spoken with kasich couples who have married many years and they use this method and it works for them but uh okay but uh it could be sometimes that the parents have uh their own agenda um it's a reality yeah there are certain parents who live vicariously through their children it is i know people who are masturbating and when it comes to their own kids forget about it why because uh they're too invested they're not able to move back they they see themselves in their children they see themselves in the as opposed to just the uh just the kid yeah um i mentioned the story uh where uh um when my son-in-laws was was upset that i didn't for him enough i said listen i don't i don't have the issue to give you okay my daughter has to be happy with you you know i said uh i'm not looking for someone to take over my mom you know if you know how to tell some funny stories i'll try to get you a few gigs you know but that's that's that's not what i'm looking for yeah so um uh when a person is um you know you you check into them and like i say you know you're looking into uh all these different considerations that we've discussed already right okay you do your own checking um i have a daughter who is very good at checking and she says she never calls any of the names of the resume because they've all been you know trained early to say she finds her own sources and goes around and looks to get the story and sometimes the story that she discovers is dramatically different than the story that was told by the uh by the other people sometimes when you have a friend on the inside they'll share information with you um i avoid learning in particular yeshiva and i was trending with the sheba and he says because it's you i'll tell you the truth and i've gotten letters from people since we've been discussing this you know it was this woman she was divorced twice and she says and both times the russians even knew what the problems were and and hit it both times you know so uh you know what can i tell you you you have to do your checking the best that you can okay now work with me here you're going out now you're going to go out you checked into this person checked in this person you're going to go on a date um i told this story but i'll repeat it because it ties in with what we talking about here uh said to mata solomon who's says uh i understand that doesn't travel on route 9 when he's leaving lakewood so the river said it's true so he says why he says there are places there that are not senua and i don't feel comfortable driving past them he says the masjid had such sensitivity to uh to these matters he says i tried he says and yet you let your boys go out on dates unsupervised now let me tell you his answer first before we discuss this object he says here's what he said says you're right you're right but the um the uh gdollum who came after the war found the corbin and sneez uh corbin and cassius and they knew they couldn't fight on every front so they decided just to concentrate on limited tire and they put all of their emphasis on building yeshivas and building the day school movement that's where they put all their emphasis and uh and other things they didn't focus on which is what he was saying is you're right ideally uh the way they used to date in europe nobody ever went out to a lounge nobody they think they uh they had set in dates yeah and uh apparently that was felt to be the most ideal way to do it so uh today like i said maybe in certain circles but most places that don't happen you go out on a date that's the way they do it so let's talk about that um in excel it's really very simple there are many many hotels in yerushalayim and the boy and the girl agree through the shot to meet in a particular hotel lobby this sometimes causes some awkward uh interactions because since they've never met before and there may be more than one couple meeting there you have to make sure that the right guy has found the right girl there are many stories i won't go into them there are many stories where the wrong ones met or a fellow realized who it was and pretended that he wasn't him and okay it doesn't make a difference right an ideal setting the two of them find each other they sit down at a table they order a drink and uh and that's the evening there's a first date has a certain time limit to it and the idea being just to get to know each other etc the other advantage to this is obviously that it involves very little expense you don't have to spend a lot of money in this in a circumstance yeah it's a drink now i'll tell you a story i think a story that i find astounding and uh i had a tumblr who only dated here in israel and uh he didn't come from a family of money and he didn't have a lot of money and he went to america to date and he says i can't afford it says of course a fortune to date here i said what do you mean he says well you can't just go to a local place you have to take it to manhattan i don't know the car you're going to have to rent the car i don't have a girl's not going to come with me on a bus or a subway i have to rent the car i have to go to manhattan i have to pay tolls i have to pay for parking we go into a lounge order a drink it's a lot of money so expensive he says i could drop 100 on the first date he says that's just the first date after that you can't just go out and have a drink you have to do something i said what does that mean he says you know uh archery uh go-karting uh you have to do an activity this is considered obligatory otherwise you get a reputation that you're cheapskate then you're not a good date then i said i said it can't be he says you're getting your guard on just a few days it could work out to be an enormous amount of money like i say in that show you go to one hotel lobby second date you go to another hotel lobby next day you go to a third hotel lobby after three days it's sort of getting serious now you might go to the zoo you know go for a walk you have a day-date you know go to a park express i said are they looking for a husband or a camp counselor i don't know like you're gonna take them with activities i said this can't be so at the time i was giving a shira form a tommy dote on um on the phone there was no zoom back then yeah it was a phone sure and i told of what this boy said i said could this possibly be true and there was silence [Laughter] and then one of the girls said well we have to pay money also to get you know dressed up in front of makeup i said well one second let's go slow here okay you want to marry a boy in learning this is the boy he's going to be sitting and learning you want to be mice and never while you're learning and you expect him to drop hundreds of dollars on the first few dates money that when you get married and you're sitting and learning you could spend on i don't know food electricity but but more than that what's nice about the hotel method it's it's it's one step above a a a certain date because the two of you are basically sitting there and talking there is nothing else to do and as these girls explain to me that's the problem what happens if the conversation drags you know if the two you're not allowed to talk about now not everybody knows what to talk about not everybody's a conversationalist famous story this boy's going out on a date his first time says to his web because talked to a girl what do i talk about it says ask about her family okay what else don't you ask what kind of things she likes okay uh what else you can always discuss philosophy it's okay so they go out they sit down so um do you have a brother no so um do you like pasta no if you had a brother would he like pasta now okay the ghazal tell us that of the ten medos of dibor the ten measures of speech women got nine of them women have a more ability to be oral the part of the brain which controls uh speech is stronger in women than it is with men uh men don't talk as much someone sent me an email once with a long list of differences between men and women one of them said two men can sit and watch a football game for three hours without either one of them saying a word and neither one thinks that the other one must be angry with me but girls like if there's no conversation they're like um so this fellow went out with a girl and she has an entire date planned the whole conversation goes from topic to topic seamless so in case the guy doesn't talk you know so fine so she did her whole routine now she came from out of town she went out with a number of boys and uh she got a little confused so when she went out with him the second time she also had a second date routine if she figured i have to do if i have to carry the date more than two dates then so it was the second date and uh she got a little confused and she did her first date routine again and the guy was just amazed he was just watching he says what she's going to talk about yeah at the end he says wow that was so nice it was as much fun as the first day when you said the same exact things i said what happened he goes well i felt like you know i did her injustice so i have to marry it now [Laughter] so um you know there's uh you know people have difficulty uh carrying day to day you know they might be able to carry it right but uh uh so if you need activities to um to distract you from the date then what's the purpose i understand the two of you going out and the whole thing is focused on talking but if you're spending the whole time like you know [Music] practicing archery going to do some activity i i don't get it now my personal observation the skills that makes a person a good date does not necessarily make them a good spouse yeah because although you may go out on a date and find the person fascinating and engage in quite clever conversation and you go with things like this most of life is not like that uh i admit i used to be personal ants i got a kick out of them you know you like skiing and eating chinese food okay so like unless you live in the mountains of china how often is that going to happen and it was really the things that you're looking for but people uh you know people want to go out and be entertained and find everybody entertaining me so uh so i very much suggest the first date that number one does not cost a lot of money and number two uh it's just focused on conversation yeah um [Music] i don't know why a lot of people find going out to eat extremely awkward people are afraid to eat people eat too much people this you know i don't know what it is there used to be a restaurant in flatbush called shanghai this was when i reached you know i would take someone out for dinner and go to shanghai a chinese restaurant and i always i don't know why you'd think after some point i'd figure out not to dip the chinese noodles into the duck sauce but i always dripped it on my tie every single time i you think okay just stupid this don't eat the chinese nose with ducks i don't know i don't know that's the main reason you go out to chinese restaurants this is for the chinese newest with the duck sauce there's a fellow at a chinese restaurant here in israel and uh they don't sell those chinese noodles here so what they would do is when they would make their spring rolls with what was left they would put it on top of a upside down pot so that it would get hot and crunchy then break it off and break into pieces and that was chinese noodles you know they would put out a little ball on the table he says when i have these americans they keep saying look re-employees i don't have that many because then i went to america and i went to a chinese restaurant they've got a 50-pound bag in the back they just keep filling it up i had to make it myself so uh so there's a consideration you know but uh like i say a person goes out and have a drink etc now the jewish observer uh oliver shawn uh had a uh issue dedicated to shidduchim and um [Music] the um a bacha wrote in a question and said like this and i thought it was very interesting why when i'm dating and i'm being encouraged to find the person that i want to build an emma's advice to someone be strong with i'm encouraged to go to places that if i went to as a bar i would get thrown out of issue i thought what a what a brilliant insight it's really true you know people go to a lounge which is just a fancy name for a bar and you know i was like yeah is this really the place that we want to be i started dating so i asked people where you go so they told me you go to the olive tree in greenwich village i don't know if this place still exists anymore it was the only place i knew to go and it worked out well because i never got a second date with anybody anyway because i was too intense so uh but the tables were made out of uh slate they give you a little bowl of chalk and um and you know you could write on the table you could rent games they had uh old charlie chaplin movies playing in the background it was considered very hip you see all these like reddit village type people and then two or three couples suits and toys at the table a little out of place you know and uh you go to the idea being that you know you could order a drink and and you could play uh hangman on the table and you can draw a picture and then analyze it and find out the chat with a uh psycho killer you know i guess you could rent a game if things got real slow you know and that was the only place you know how to go now i can't say that this was a positive atmosphere for anybody to be in but like i say every time i went there were at least three couples there was one time i had a i had a uh a hot streak i went out with like three or four girls i don't know what happened you know and um and we show up in the olive tree the waitress comes over says what would you like you again who's this oh gosh as uh awkward moment this guy was telling you about uh he says he was english and he would go up with like these american girls you know and they'd be sitting in the hotel lounge whatever it is and uh and hearing irish lightning and the conversation lulled a little bit and she goes uh-oh awkward silence we still tell that story okay there we go the first date what are you looking for two variables that nobody can define for you nobody can define for you the first is attraction do you find this person attractive or not yep there's no there's no correct answer to that question um somebody says to me beauty's in the eye of the beholder okay and there's no question that there are people and every one of us have seen situations like this where a guy is considered gorgeous and gets set up with all these gorgeous girls that ends up hanging girls not so gorgeous and a girl who's considered gorgeous and she's preparing a guy who is not so gorgeous but they find each other attractive so what are you gonna say you're wrong this uh american that i know but now with this israeli he wasn't very israeli she was very israeli and uh she wasn't what would be called attractive in the traditional sense of the word and i said so you get married to this girl he says yeah she dresses really well okay i can hear that i really can't it makes absolutely no sense to me because you could go out and attract the person and make you know wardrobe suggestions but that seemed to work for him you know there are certain girls they say a heine right that means that it doesn't matter whether or not they're attractive in the traditional sense they have something about them that people just like them and they're very attractive women that people just don't like there's something about them that's off-putting maybe it's the way they wrinkle their snows at you or make it look like they just ate a lemon what is it gosh when i was younger i was an advisor on a uh some teen trip or whatever it was you know there was this one sour faced uh advisor she was sour the whole time you know and then about halfway through she goes to me and says you know you're funny it's like um okay no no you're really funny i said uh thank you no there are people who think they're funny and they're really not you are funny you're funny i have to say that the compliment was somewhat lost on me a lot of it goes in the delivery yeah that's the famous joke everyone knows that joke you know it was in prison they had one joke book somebody had memorized the jokes so a guy would stand up and go number 23 and everybody would laugh so as we go 64. this is what's going on he says yeah everyone knows the jokes you just give the number and they laugh he says can i try is great he gets somebody goes 19. nobody laughs because what happens is some people don't know how to tell a joke but listen you know who who can say i can't i there is no way of knowing this beforehand and uh you know what can i tell you when it comes to attraction that's something right now i i want to um i want to break this into three categories there's somebody that you find attractive there's somebody that you don't find attractive but you don't find them unattractive and then there are people who you really find unattractive for whatever reason whatever reason yeah it doesn't have to be a great reason huh i knew a guy was going out with a girl was redhead and he just couldn't handle it just couldn't handle it he eventually broke it off he just he couldn't handle being married to a veteran it's just he had a thing is it objective uh it's objective that's how he felt for him he didn't find that attractive because he was missing a bit of the irishman in the maid and so you know different people find him an extractor you know this guy was not tall but he was uh on the taller side and he went over the girl and she was very short and he just just didn't feel comfortable we feel comfortable she was too short she was otherwise a dragon but so this is the second date policy certain people have a rule you always have to go out on a second date now i'm always nervous about rules as you could probably tell yeah so i want to make a hug it was only one time i ever called into a radio talk show in my entire life yeah um it was uh sunday morning i was working whatever it is there was some uh show on where they were doing a restaurant review this is a restaurant reviewer i talking so i called up the i went through immediately otherwise i would have just hung up you know and uh and i said when you walk into a restaurant and you order 20 dishes aren't they going to get suspicious they will start laughing and he said you never uh go in by yourself you're going with a party of four and you never write your review based on one visit because it could be they were having a bad night everybody has a bad night so you always have to go two or three times with a group of people and then over the course you've tasted everything on the menu so i thought if you can't write a restaurant review on one visit then probably you can't judge whether or not a person is a good person or not on one visit having said that i didn't ask him this question but having said that i'm sure there are certain restaurants that he walked into and after just one visit he was pretty sure that he was never going to eat this place again [Laughter] it was pretty obvious whatever the reason might be but you know sometimes uh the issues are so glaring that it doesn't really doesn't really uh follow through a second time so let's say i go with a person and i really don't find them attractive and you have people say well you give it a second date so okay if it's your power of i understand it but if you really don't you know i don't think you're doing the perfect person uh service because if you go out with them a second time and you don't like just not attracted to the person you know you're not going to be any more attracted the second time so what are you doing just leading the person on listen there's so much fantasy that goes into the from dating why because it's not like somebody sets you up with somebody and you go out first you check them out then they check you out then they start hearing about the person and then they start becoming emotionally invested in this person they haven't even met yet it's unbelievable by the time they go out they already so invest in this relationship that if either one of them says no they feel like they've just you know they've just been jilted by their intended you know what i mean like they're getting a divorce you know they were so invested i i see girls who try out the guy's name beforehand you know and writing it down to see if they like the way it looks you know that's that's a level of commitment and investment that's just it's too much for a first date so if you see for sure that this is not going to go i don't see what the purpose is of a second thing that's me personally certain people have a sheet that you always go out a second time um people will tell you who've dated a long time that there is an issue of burnout that takes place after a while there's just so much of this as one of my former students said to me if i have to get dressed up and put on makeup for one more loser i'm gonna kill myself evidently it's uh it's it's too much of an emotional commitment for some people but the shadrach says this time it will be different i've said them i've heard those words before but the family's nice oh believe me this one's special i said all right but only just once more well you can't go out the answer is after well you start to get burnt out and uh you go in waiting to see which one will say it was not meant to be yeah um so so if i'm if i go with a person and i realize [Music] so the first thing is do you find the person attractive and the second thing is personality i can't tell you when it comes to personality hey now um i've mentioned this in the past i by nature i'm a very shy person how do you know i'm a shy person because when i go to uh simcha here in earth's shell i look for an empty table and i sit down they give me my plate of choi you know my choice but there's three starches you know they have a bureka and potato cocoa and uh you know and he goes on me cooking you know and maybe some uh you know stir-fried vegetables uh that have sort of lost their appeal you know i sit there by myself and i said for as long as is considered appropriate and then i you know say mazel tov again i slip the envelope or the book and i leave i don't socialize if somebody comes over to me and says oh are you rabbi yolovsky i was like oh yeah you know and then they start talking so i can you know become this more professional persona but as a person i'm extremely shy in fact my good friend hanotella once sat me at a table of one of his hasanahs in uh in america um mistaking my public persona for my private persona because there's a whole that's setting up the tables in america here in israel you don't set up the tables you just show up and you know there's that setting someone's going to be there for the first course somebody else will be there for the main course someone else will be the dessert you know there's a constant turnover people coming in saying for a little bit wishing mazel tov running around you know in america it's not like that you know so you have to make tables and you always try to put like one live wire at the table is going to carry the table and mistakenly he thought that was me and i sit by myself sometimes i take a safer you know and i said i learned and i i'm not much of a conversationalist um in a public setting if somebody wants to talk to me and has a question for me so i'm i'm more than happy to enter in a conversation and discuss things but on my own i'm i'm i'm just that same awkward little kid that i was in elementary school i was a nerd i was a loser i really haven't changed i'm that's who i am i just have this public persona that i that i assume so a lot of people saw me in my public persona where i'm standing on a chair leading the ruach you know i mean and assume that's who i am in my essence they would set me up with these you know really loud fun funny girls and i had nothing to say the whole night it didn't matter they carried the show and it would have been good if i was looking for a partner you know a uh costello to my habit you know a hearty to my uh to uh to my uh laurel yeah that would work out great but i really wasn't you know i'm i'm by nature a quiet person and i like to have extremely deep conversations and that's what i enjoy that's how i that's how i react so um uh you know i would go out and there wasn't anything wrong with their personality that's for sure it just wasn't meant for me certain people are argumentative and i see people who go out and the two of them just argue each other the whole time and they love it they love arguing other people get very put off by that they don't want to argue some people just have uh very service personalities you know this is a nice place oh yeah why what's nice about it well i don't know it's nice to go you think so i haven't remodeled this place in 17 years you like this you think this is nice all right i want to get a drink get a drink i mean the thing is overpriced but i don't care if you want a drink i'll get you a drink i'm not going to order anything because i'm not going to spend this kind of money on a drug whatever i drink in fact i brought a long bottle of water for myself and yet these people get married they're people who are very quiet very quiet so uh where do you learn i'm in the mirror and uh have you been there long about uh three years and uh what medication do the doctors have you want [Music] several are there other people who don't mind don't mind quiet people some people don't like loud people what am i going to tell you there's an absolute here there's not there's there's uh a range so and nobody can make this decision for you so you're going out on the first date to see whether or not i find the person attractive and like i say it doesn't mean that i'm like oh wow this most beautiful person i've seen but i don't find the person unattractive looks can grow on you like a fungus and uh and whether or not i find their personality interesting it could be that we you know after a while i'll find that but there are certain people you could tell right away like whoa it's a little late and i'm not talking about like i said at the beginning like a restaurant that's just having an off night so there's certain people who might be having an off night there might be a thing all right the stapler went out with the huzzanisha's sister so he says to close him up afterwards he says listen you know she says you slept the whole day she was like no no i came in by train and uh i stayed up the whole night because i figured i would sleep on the train and when i got to the train i i was afraid that the seats might be sharpness so i stayed up the whole train ride i stood the whole time so by the time i got there i hadn't slept in a day you know so okay so they so as a reasonable explanation they go out a second time and a lot better yeah a lot better they got married yeah but uh but okay so having a bad night it happens yeah but uh but like i say you eliminate the extremely improbable although anything can happen that's not the way that we make decisions in life make decisions based on probabilities yeah and unless there's some extenuating circumstance for me to assume that this was just so off kilter then uh you have to make that decision now if you go out with the person and you find them intelligent and attractive and that's definitely worth the second date right because there's another thing that you need and uh i'm speaking here as uh as a from the litvish community because um rabbi twersky wrote an article in that issue the jewish observer he says i feel so bad for you lind fisher you feel like you can't get married unless you've developed a meaningful relationship so you have to go out you know three times five times ten times you can't develop a meaningful relationship in 10 days you can't do it in three months it takes a lifetime he says by the qasida we don't care we don't even try we see if everything looks my team and we know we have the rest of our lives to build a relationship you have to feel something yeah so even though you find the person attractive and you find them a nice personality you need chemistry and this is such an impossible word uh how do you how do you define that it means that when you're not with the person you would like to be with the person if you never think about the person if you never miss the person it was a country western song how can i miss you if you won't go away yeah so if you never miss the person then there's a problem it's now how do you define that i can't explain it and uh when you have a shutdown you know the shutter honor the connotation will say listen it's normal you're putting too much expectations on etc you know it's just everything looks good on paper everything's nice you like them fine get married yeah that is an approach but my mother and my father said we'd learn to love each other so goldie now i'm asking do you love me i'm your wife i know but do you love me my father and my mother said we'd learn to love each other yeah so uh is it do you feel anything for this person if you broke it off would you feel bad that's my opinion it's an opinion i can't put that into words because i know there are plenty of people get married without that yeah but uh i feel like there's got to be something something more than i have to admit i have grown fond of you over the years my dear [Laughter] that's just my opinion now i want to leave you with the following question think for a moment you've checked into this person and they've checked into you you definitely want to get married they definitely get married you both have the same goals in life you both have the same expectations of what you expect from a marriage you go out with each other you find each other attractive personable and there's a chemistry how long at that point do you need to go out before i can say i'm ready so i i asked this question i used to teach this in nevada the girl said you can't give a number can't give a number i said okay five years date a guy for five years and then he turns around at the end and says i don't think so you start again no no that's too much okay three years one year six months well till you know the person my sister-in-law told me about this couple that they had over their house for three years they were dating three years they got married they got divorced in the first month he was completely different person they knew the families they knew each other he would turn into a completely different person so they get married he managed to cover it up for three years so you're sure someone said to me once until you know uh like you have to know enough about the person like what their favorite colors the time i had been married for i don't know how many years i had so many children i came home and said honey what's your favorite color she says i'm not sure [Laughter] you could have children and grandchildren and never know the person's favorite color that's really not the most important thing uh we'll be married 39 years this sivan and uh and even to this day every now and then i'll tell the story my wife's like i never heard that one you know still things to learn some things to find out i'm not going to tell you what the correct number is because because i don't think there is an exact one but if you hear about people who go out for two dates three dates and then get engaged and you think whoa how could that possibly be it's because if you're in the secular world you could be dating for years before either one even brings up the question where are we holding in this relationship and either one of them is afraid to bring it up because they don't want to scare off the other person so you know where each one is holding yeah i would sometimes go out with girls from girls they had such a nice time but they didn't think i was you know for them and they want to keep a catcher and i was like no no no i don't do that we don't do that where i come from is that that's not appropriate i'm not looking for a friend i'm looking for a spouse to build a home together with yeah but uh when when a person person knows okay i feel for this person i find this person attractive i enjoy their personality we have the same goals in life we're both ready to get married when you find people who give again arbitrary you can't make a decision until x number of dates or x numbers of weeks or x numbers a month or x number of years i always say why where are you getting that from some people are fast learners now they can figure out pretty quickly that yeah this works and i know people who get engaged the first person they go out with and there's always friends who's like you know i should try somebody else to try other people and a little more experienced first how do you know what's out there you know it's like i understand but this person is fine this is everything i'm looking for i like them they like me we have an attraction we have a chemistry though why should i now try something else what's the point there's no way you're gonna go out with everybody there's too many people out there so uh at the end of the day you have to be talking so i'm not gonna tell you the right number is i just want to explain for people who might look at the community and say how could it be after three days that people know are ready to get married that's the idea i want to bring across all right so that's it for this uh this podcast we'll talk more in the next one we're going to get a little technical now because we want to get into the engagement and the uh planning the wedding and all kinds of nifty things like that but uh but i hope by giving you enough background at least for you to get started so if you want to find out more about this podcast and go to my website groveland.com comment a note you can sponsor an episode um and uh that's it for now i'm devon olavsky and this is the raviolaski show it's the rabbi orlowski show torah and symbol ready to go the rabbi orolovsky show knowledge and wisdom will help you bro lots of fun in every episode and we don't have to rhyme [Music] till next time till we meet again around my rolowski show it's the rabbi orlowski show it's the 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