Reform “Judaism” (Ep. 239)

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family and all of the extend Ed freed uh uh Clan throughout uh the world where they are okay I remember the 1980s almost every wedding hall almost every restaurant you went to was pink and silver I don't know if you still remember this you know you could see who has not uh who hasn't renovated since the 1980s you know it's like everybody had those colors when I came came to Israel in the 1970s there was this sort of burnt orange look that everything had all the curtains in every uh Bank every office wherever you went to it was the same burnt orange uh my uh my cousin uh Harriet kot Shalom she told me that when they made alah uh there was one textile firm in Israel at the time and um and uh she says you would go out and buy yourself a dress and then you'd pass a man in the street and his tie was the same as your dress and then you would sit down at a cafe and the tablecloth was the same as your dress you'd walk into a a bank and the curtains were the same as your dress you know so uh uh there are these certain things you know Nostalgia or somebody once observed Nostalgia is not what it used to be I used to remember when I would land in Israel ye for years fly as soon as they land they would start playing and people on the plane would start singing You Know It uh I don't do that [Laughter] today people people today they have different Expressions that that I always used to find uh a little disturbing I used to fly like American Airlines a lot you know they had this expression I said we'll have you down on the ground in just a couple of minutes and I'm like whoa take your time hold on to the doors and the wings you know what I mean on L they would say we have begun our final descent like well this is [Laughter] it I have this tyer one day I'll do it I'm sure because it's just been rattling around in my brain but you know when when we land I I want to scream out before anybody else I'd like to be the first to welcome you to Tel Aviv why is it always the stud as who gets to say that I like to be the first to no I'd like to be the first to welcome you anyway but uh there there are certain things that are Trends and uh you've seen this you know there are certain Styles uh there was a tefa maybe it was in the 90s women had these outfits with these gigantic shoulder pads made them look all look like linebackers you know that was the that was the style yeah um there's uh there's certain Styles and some of them last a very long time they stick with us right buttons on a gentleman's jacket was introduced by Napoleon bonapart because you know he had a citizen Army and they were not uh Aristocrats as they were in other armies and uh so he spent all his money getting them nice uniforms and they would wipe their nose on their sleeve so he put big buttons on the sleeve so they couldn't rub it on a gentleman uh often will leave the bottom button of their jacket unbuttoned uh because um uh the uh one of the King Edwards was too Stout to button his jacket so he used to leave the bottom button open and everyone's like well the king leaves it open so of course I will too you know and uh it stuck with us so some Trends last for a very long time and some come and go you um we've all we've all lived through either how old you are you you've all lived through at one point uh my kids had these slap bracelets which were basically this like piece of metal that you would slap it on your wrist and it would snap around it was pretty dangerous people were hurting themselves but at the time uh it's not that long ago that everybody had a fidget spinner you don't see it today you Trends Trends come and go and the same thing is true uh by almost every aspect in our lives um now you sit down to a suda everybody puts out a whole bunch of salads and dips when I was growing up you never did that you know you know whoever saw such a thing you put out the kalala maybe you put out some K maybe potato salad maybe there was a a a salad understand when I say a salad I mean a salad there was vegetables in it there was no fruit there were no nuts there was no there was no candied peans there was uh there was no uh crackers you know it was a salad lettuce tomato and cucumber that was a salad some people would add green pepper you know if it was really fancy they put in radishes and scallions you know what I mean some people would add celery but that was it vegetables that was a salad a green salad you know today they call it a green salad you pick all the salad that was a default salad you know all these different Ty of salads and dips that never that never came about that was a was a new innovation that you go any place to a shabas suda today and you have all these and salads I I want to be careful make a cave I think by the spom they always did it that way because the garah in fact describes that everything was eaten with bread so everything was served every dish was served sort of like in a little bowl and you scooped it up with the bread um if you go to an Asian restaurant and you order a Mugu guyan we us say a Chinese restaurant but I don't think you can say that anymore so you go to an Asian restaurant Mugen they used to give you these little like pancakes and you would like wrap the filling inside of it you know and and eat it like that that's how they ate everything they used to give you these big pieces of like P and everything was dipped yeah that was that was how it goes so I think by spartum they they never really lost that um I think uh in Israel you know Theus and thing people didn't really do that in America when I was growing up it's uh it's moved in uh nobody ever Su you know their their food nobody ever smoked it h the these are Trends today that that you find they didn't used to do these kind of things nobody ever served raw fish you cook fish why would you put out a raw piece of fish Jackie Mason said Sushi was invented by two Jews who said how can we open a restaurant without a [Laughter] kitchen but I go lot boards who came up with this idea of boards that now you have to have a board you know and and I know people Mish make their own Boards out of wood be able to set the stuff on I know there are Trends Things become very trendy so whether it's talking about Styles or whether it's talking about uh you know um you know fashion food um music yeah um the big band era in the 1940s the swing that type of music and then the 50s they started to introduce rock and roll and then there was hard rock ass all kinds of different things when I was in Los Angeles in 1977 I think it was uh I was I was out there by myself you know and uh uh I went out one night to a restaurant called the Milky Way uh which was in Westwood at the time it was step Spielberg's mother who was running it it was very trendy everything was you know California in the 70s you know everything was light and and it was just uh very special she had posters of her son's movies up I remember she says do you know my son Stephen I said well not personally but I I am familiar with his work so I was in Westwood and I I got this Chuka you know this movie had come out that was supposed to be very funny called airplane and uh I went to watch it like a midnight showing in Westwood there's like eight of us in the theater and we were laughing so hard we were we were falling out of our seats it was just so incredibly funny but there was one thing that brought the audience cheering now they're only eight guys so you know I think it was all guys I think about in this theater and that is this plane is like you know this pilot who hasn't flown A real plane in since World War II you don't has to try to land this plane and he's like you're coming in too low you know so you see this antenna and it was like w KR L where disco lives and he knocks down the antenna and everybody starts cheering because this was in the middle of the Disco era you know uh it was uh it was an amazing time in in American life it's it's now only like I say uh it's the it's the stuff of jokes that people don't really go into but every place was becoming a disco everybody was becoming you know these kind of things you don't see it today you know it's uh it was at the time it was this uh this phenomena you know and uh I I had started ER working in ncsy in a chapter in LA in 1978 and there was a guy there who looked exactly like John TR VTA and he was upset at me because I wouldn't let him bring his non-jewish girlfriend to the meetings anyway uh he wanted very much to have a disco night and so I said you know listen uh uh something like that requires a lot of planning and a lot of participation if we make something like that we don't get a good turnout you know to make us look embarrassing let's build up the group more first before we do that you know it was amazing how much stuff I was able to get away with or you just say it with enough [Laughter] [Music] confidence there was a fellow who was on my on my board over there in the chapter Roger Braverman and uh he he was a cynic my president Joel pin they were they were cynics that's why I was drawn they were drawn to me in that sense but when I wanted to do something I had a way of selling it presenting it that people would you know do it so was towards the end of the year and um uh and I was trying to get people to you know I was trying to present something like for them to make the decision but you know so Roger says you're doing it again so what goes you always do this you know you're like well you know which envelopes do you want to use we can get these nice beautiful big envelopes that everybody will like or these small little ugly ones he says he says I'm not ping for it this time yeah yeah I do have a so I got out of it you know and uh but but he stayed F to after the meeting ended and he brought his non-jewish girlfriend in to show me their disco routine and I I guess I guess it was good it's not really my area you know but um um he later on went on to become a rebi and a Yeshiva so I know most of my stories have no endings nevertheless a happy one so this is an unusual one but but uh you know it was the Disco era and and people don't know how it happened it ended up the whole thing happened as a lie was a guy who wrote an article for Rolling Stones and he made up his interviews that never happened and he created this whole disco life that wasn't really going on and then people fell for it and they started copying you know life imitates art as the expression goes so um but that was it every place was becoming disco when I was running NCS Long Island we were going to do laser tag I'm going to do for an advent laser tag they had built this gigantic laser tag maze they spent millions of dollars on it and six months later it closed down it came and went you know it was a it was a um was a Fed I don't know if anybody's old enough to remember tamaguchi we had them at the end of the 80s early 90s the little electronic pets that you had to take care of or they died I remember there was a story at the time in Japan that um somebody uh uh forgot to feed their tamaguchi and it died and they killed themselves so uh there are Trends there's Trends in music you know there are certain musicians who were very popular and then they disappeared they just m much disappeared and there are certain other ones of course who have staying power and some who are the flavor of the month and they come in and there's a style of music that comes in and uh you know it it it um captures the imagination and then it goes it's a Fed it's a fed the reason I wanted to talk about this is because the same thing is true in yadus and it's absolutely amazing to me that there are things that at the time seem like the most powerful thing you could possibly imagine and it turns out it's a fed and it might be a Fed that lasts for hundreds of years but is a Fed AAR was one of the reasons the first Bas MDES was destroyed AAR was such a powerful force now to be fair the Ana came along and was M the and that's why uh I think it was manasha but I'm not 100% sure comes to I think it was y I really should research I'm sure I'm sure my uh my fact check is out there will send me in case I made a mistake and he was criticizing him for Vora and he says yeah big shot because the an if you had been there you would have lifted up your robe to run to go to Ser vazar it was such a powerful desire it was it was uh you know drawing people so you don't find that a Vora after that time had the same appeal well uh you go to uh these hotels that have gift shops and you see a little getka over there you almost never want to bow down those of you who went to Camp uh up at the Catskills or any place you know in the country you come across a totem pole you want to bow down you know there's there's no Ty for it it doesn't it doesn't mavim was this unbelievable powerful movement in CLA Isel that apparently won over the majority of Jews Greek culture do you find people today are drawn to Greek culture now you could argue that what Greek culture introduced which were universities and sports and theater and things like that are still there in a different form perhaps but uh there was a time when Greek philosophy was a major challenge to Torah Judaism but a major one people were being pulled into all of this desire of philosophy um the has continued for a very long time you know Greek uh philosophy was kept alive in the Arab countries and uh it was such a powerful influence that one of the reasons the rambam wrote theim was to counter Aristotle do you know anybody who cares about Aristotle today that they have aasha because of Aristotle but at the time it was unbelievable the sadim represented a particular philosophy that died out it reappeared by theim by the kites uh it reappeared with the reform movement although in a different form uh but uh but the idea of rejecting the Tor shabal um it really start started probably with korak when korak says Ah you're just making this up as you go along not that K who said so and that was obviously a major threat to the to yeah the sadim came along and said why do we have to listen to the rabbis we don't have to listen to the rabbis and they would come up with their own interpretations and they took it very seriously they uh the they had an argument with the on the meaning of thek when you go into the K whether or not you're supposed to light the incense there or beforehand and they would go in knowing they were going to die but they wanted they were they were willing to pay an enormous amount of money to become the co GLE just to be able to go in and do it their way even though they ended up dying from it but they kept the Torah they accepted the written Torah uh the kites theim from the word c like mikra like Torah um was started by Anan Ben David as so often is the case he lost out the position of becoming Co of becoming rashash Shiva he decided to go into business for himself and the way he did it by saying who why do we have to accept the's interpretation and they would translate things literally um this was such a major movement in clel that the Goon and Theon had to write Pim to defend the tal against these attacks this how this how powerful it was and you wonder to self was Anan B David bigger than everybody else who was around at the time that's not necessarily how people make decisions people don't make decisions just based on that I mean you don't know who korak korak was an unbelievably great person right giant but MOS it's got the Rays of light shining out of his face I mean you know who he is he's got the stick he took you out of Egypt car I mean you know who mosha is and you're following K amazing so the way that he did it thean says was by lus and you make fun of things and uh it all falls apart um unfortunately we see that today that's that's how these people on the internet attack Torah and G Torah is all with late sun is they sit and they and they make fun knowing that once you've laughed at something there's nothing you can you know you can't you can't look at it the same way anymore um yes says because you've made L sunus out of the mus I'm trying to give you you have no option left now except suffering because when it gets painful enough you can't laugh it off anymore but you brought that on yourself because instead of you know listening to the words of muser I don't know if you've ever seen this I've seen it where someone gives really powerful muser and people are really inspired someone makes a joke and you could just watch it deflate you watch it just dissipate disappear in the room that's the power of L is making fun and that's what K did he was making fun of mos making fun of the Torah and these people these people you know get on the internet they've got their their sites and they do the same exact thing they just they you make fun and suddenly have the ability to destroy anything with it the musilim did the same thing during the Enlightenment when you use when you use late sunus and you make fun it's such a powerful tool that people don't look at it the same way anymore yeah and that's why the only way to counter them is also with late Suns but you have to know how to do that in order to you know not end up uh getting sucked into it yourself and uh without chiting what's going on but it's a a terrible thing yeah so so this is what they do you make fun uh shab created a destruction in clel that is difficult for us to imagine today a false Messiah and he fooled he fooled gadoli Torah and people sold their belongings they joined his army for their his March toel and the Turks captured him and threw him into prison and said they're going to kill you unless he you convert to Islam and he converted and Jews were devastated they lost everything some people said oh this must be part of the process they also converted but there remains a little sect to this day of saans who is still following there's also some carites left I don't think there are any Sadducees but uh you know they become a foot note to history but at one point they had most of the Jewish people on their side when the reform movement came in it was an unbelievably powerful force and they knew how to take over all of the public institutions to be able to destroy them at the beginning people didn't know what they were doing it was uh you know it was a new kind of a phenomena that they started out by appearing to be from and then they would take everything apart bit by bit by bit and destroy they rejected the Tav also you know they didn't even believe the Tav remember hearing this debate between a reform and Orthodox Rabbi the reform Rabbi said God would never say the following I thought wow that's an amazing amazing way it means that you are smart enough to be God and so you know whether or not uh you know God is uh what he would say in this situation which is a a bizarre concept when you think about it but you know this is uh this is what um uh people were able to do of course they they they would make fun and they use likeus and all the different kind of things to be able to undermine you know the big problem with reform is that reform is there to Reform Judaism but once you do what are you left with in other words you know what they're not for but what are they for I was talking to a reform Rabbi a reinal student actually and I said why should I be a reformed Jew he says Orthodox is misogynistic they're racist that I said right so you've explained to me why I shouldn't be an orthodox Jew why should I be a reformed Jew because the Orthodox of that I said okay convince me I'm out no more now why should I be a reformed Jew very hard question to answer um you know humanistic approach and uh fellow man I said so you're a secular humanist I don't have to be a Jew to be that I can I can just choose to be a moral nice person and they get stuck at that point why should I be a reformed Jew what's the point why keep it going and that's why uh they've slowly had to confront the fact that a lot of people ask the same question and you know wed down ritual that has no meaning by our own admittance it has no meaning you know how could you possibly celebrate Kana when you're on the side of the Greeks yeah in other words you know the Greeks tried to bring to the Jewish PE people education philosophy literature art music you know Sports and we wanted to kill them and you want to be on the side of the people who tried to kill the Greeks who are bringing us culture on the reform website they uh make it clear that the destru ction of the temple was a good thing the Jewish people it freed them of this Blood Cult of killing animals in order to serve God God doesn't want blood sacrifices that's ridiculous so destruction of the temple is good so what are you fighting over the cotel for you should be very happy you should you shouldn't be fighting for Access you should be fighting to tear it down it's The Last Remnant of a blood cult it's a terrible thing and so it's by definition doomed to failure now when I was growing up I would say the dominant uh movement in uh in America was conserva Judaism because it was perfect for the 1950s and 60s until the youth Rebellion when it was you know conservative we make changes but not too many changes we still have uh kazen there were at the time they were still using it an orthodox prayer book um the in the Jewish Theological Seminary um they had a m up at their minion you know when I was younger they they kept a lot of the trappings they claimed to be part of the Orthodox tradition but you know we make changes and the changes were more like you know you can sit with your wife you know the family that prays together stays together um you know uh you could use a microphone because hard for people to hear you can drive to Shore you know like you know accommodations and at the time it was frighteningly popular I remember reading a book that was written in the 70s called for path to one God by a conservative uh Rabbi and he presented four path Orthodox conservative reform and Reconstructionist and um and you know he basically said Orthodoxy is is a religion of old men who live on the low E side and and in the Bronx but everyone who moved out to the suburbs became conservative and by the way that's true it's true um my father grew up in an orthodox home and uh uh he was one of the founders of the East meow Jewish center and most of the people there came from Orthodox homes the rabbi was Orthodox the caner was Orthodox they used the burn sitter which was an orthodox sitter they had mix seating in a microphone and uh and it was very interesting the rabbi took a sabatical for a year and this other Orthodox Rabbi came in just for the year and he said I'm not going to use the microphone make sure you turn off the microphone he came out the first sh as the microphone was up so what did he do he gets up to the pulpit look at his notes and it goes and he walks away and stands on the steps leading up to the stage and he says nice loud voice he says my friends this is my first shabas with you I don't want to stand behind a Pulpit I want to be here with you it was absolutely brilliant yeah and uh after after he gave his sermon which was very well received he walks to the president and says if that's our next next week I'm out and he made all kinds of changes because that was a possibility Rabbi Jeremiah Walberg she live and be well he was the rabbi in oh shom and Merck and I don't think there were any from people in the sh he created it out of whole cloth was interesting Rie risk and tried out for that true but uh but they felt Rie Walberg could also act as kin he had a beautiful voice you know and he would get up D was called for 9:00 he was the only one in the show he'd get up to the to the Beba and he would start ding himself until people showed up and he would give a 45 minute drer and he was electrifying and he pulled people in through the draia and put people to come and people were like you know amazed mesmerized by his messages and he built a whole community of of sh shabas people it was it was absolutely amazing so there were a lot of these people who still remember they had the G feel of of what it meant I of course uh went to this conserv synagogue my father grew up in Brownsville he remember the great Kim he remember going down to the Bakers where everybody had their chant in his oven and they would bring it home there CH for you know for shabas and that I had none of these memories I was a kid in Long Island yeah know we we didn't keep shabas we have anything I went here it was just the most boring uh empty meaningless experience you could possibly imagine and I wasn't the only one who felt that way it was good if you remembered what Orthodoxy was so this was a a drop down it was a halfway house on your way out of Judaism but at the time it was unbelievably popular so I asked one of the founders once I said you all came from Orthodox homes why didn't Jama make an orthodox synagogue so he said we call down the Orthodox they had nothing to offer us well we wanted to start a synagogue they didn't know how to start synagogue the suburbanization of America that started in the 1950s the the Orthodox weren't prepared to capitalize on that they didn't know how they were in they were in established Jewish communities but suddenly you know bunch of Jews move out someplace and have to start a synagogue from scratch they don't know what to do for them so the reform came out we invited out the reform and he says we grew up in Orthodox homes it was too Gish for us my father was not TR of shabas he was outraged he went to a bar mitzvah in uh the reformed temple in merik Beth am and he said they wouldn't give you an Aaliyah if you weing a yamaka I don't know what their policy is today because my father was outraged because he used to say you know reform a reformed Jew doesn't wear a yamaka an orthodox Jew wears a yamaka and a conservative Jew carries it in his [Laughter] pocket but um he says we call down the conservative and they said we'll give you a constitution we'll give you seed money to start your building fund we'll give you a rabbi and pay his salary for I don't know 3 years we'll give you a caner we'll give you a constitution we'll you'll right away join our United synagogue um synagogue group your kids will start you can start a Youth Organization be part of usy United synagogue Youth and you know and full full uh you know readymade you know easy to assemble synagogue and he says it was it was perfect for us because we weren't Orthodox anymore but we wanted to have the G that's where I grew up I had my B Mitzvah in a conservative synagogue 1973 in the 1970s they did a study of a conserv synagogue and they found that of a 100 Kids three will become Orthodox 17 will become reform 30 will remain conservative 50 uh of the 100 will disaffiliate completely and give up being Jewish which means they already knew in the 1970s they were going to be a third of their size the 1980s they did a population study and they found that the age of the average conservative Jew was in their 50s the age of the average Orthodox Jew was a teenager and was so interesting because his book in the 70s said it was you know a religion of old men but what happened the day school movement came the gulum at the time started the Des put all of the effort into building the deso movement they changed they changed the whole face of America so conservative at one point was the rage that disappeared shim had to write extensively to deal with the the philosophy of secular humanism nobody cares about secular humanism today all the things that he wrote and all those efforts it was a fed and so when I was growing up besides conserved Judaism what was the FED science science is God people worship science I started teaching in Discovery in the early 990s [Music] uh it was during my uh during my summer break I T it during the year summer breaks I would teach there in the summer and uh I had never seen Discovery before and I was learning all the classes and uh they said we used to have two one and a half hour classes in evolution yeah to counter Evolution and and the argu ments Etc he says we stopped them last year and I said why he says because we spent the most of the first class teaching the theory of evolution to the University students and the second class explaining why it doesn't make sense so after a while we realized these people don't know anything about Evolution to start with nor do they care people today don't really care about science you know yes there are those science wanks there is a small you know group I remember was teaching orol rabinal training so one of the people there ended up working for an Outreach organization in UCLA and he said to me you know you said something during class which I I didn't believe I said it can't possibly be he said you have no idea how uneducated uninformed and apathe pathetic the average University student is they don't know anything and I said it can't be and I come to UCLA these people don't know anything I'm talking about secular studies they don't know anything remember Mena Weinbach he says uh you know I asked him a question once and he quoted Shakespeare and he says I can't say this over in yiva now nobody knows what it means yeah people don't understand that people don't know anything the you know I was talking to a group of students I said we go to university what do we mostly do they gave two answers party drink okay I was speaking to a group of secular parents I said we send spend all this money we send our kids to college what do they mostly do same answer party drink I was speaking to a group of Orthodox parents I said we send our kids to University and what do they do study I saidou must think this is the University of Vienna in 1898 and everyone's got little bow ties and the little wire rim glasses and their briefcases and then the search for knowledge I said you ask your kids and they'll tell you you find out which Professor is the easya A and that's the one that you take you don't want to challenge yourself I don't want to work hard know I always got a kick out of these people say why are you wasting your time in Yeshiva you know why don't you go to college I said yeah well you have to do two mornings and two afternoons a week that's called a full program two mornings and two afternoons when youa the say first SATA goes from 9:00 in the morning to 1 o'clock in the afternoon second SATA goes from 3:00 in the afternoon to 7 o'clock at night and the third SATA goes from like 8 till 10: or 10:30 yeah we decided to take the easy way out just fool around yeah it's amazing it's amazing and within those two mornings and two afternoons you find out which are the easy classes and which are the easy professors and who's going to pass you I remember when I was teaching in Ora when I first started I was in the intro program and all these guys went to like top universities and I was explaining a pretty easy gamarra and and they were like having a very hard time one guy is holding his head he says my brain hurts I said well don't you guys you know have to study hard in University and they're like no you have to study hard to get into University and then if they don't pass you it makes them look bad so there Trends real Torah stands forever there's no such a no such a thing it's not a fed it's not a trend and even though things will at some point look like wow you know Tor Judaism is finished by wine tells the story where he went into a Jude shop he wanted to buy K the guy laughed at him says there'll never be a k printed in America says when the first one came out I sent him a copy when the first to came out I sent him a copy you know people people think that the latest Trend and whatever is going on this is where it's going to go and it's not true it's interesting in Jewish music there's a move away from the Techno non sense and more towards like you know what they call like the carb music or theisha music people are moving away from what was that boy band of the 80s and 90s type of a music and moving back more towards traditional music that's how life works that's how life works so uh Beware of Trends yeah um something may seem very popular but give it enough time and you'll see fads fall away and only things that are real stay on and continue mem all of us should be able to have a Tor true life and incorporate that for ourselves and our family and now we come to the question and answer portion of our program Anonymous asks hi just wondering why you never have any girls or women on your show is it for reasons or were they're just no one willing to come this is a great question a great question this is a concept you find in Israeli society called hadat Nim how women are excluded from uh from public uh from public forms um uh the um um this is an issue in America it comes up every now and then where there are certain Torah periodical that will not print pictures of women in there uh there was the famous uh Scandal when the hamodia put in the picture of everybody waiting for the um report of the raid on AMA Bin Laden and they brushed Hillary Clinton out of the picture yeah and peopleim and you're excluding women etc etc and people will point out the Jewish Observer printed pictures of women that was you know definitely a an orthodox to True publication yeah and uh the question is why so I'm going to give you a couple ANS answers so I think there's a few different answers to this there used to be a site called only Simas I don't know if it's still around uh I think it's still around but they limit the amount of pictures Etc because I know yesh bam used to go on and look at the pictures of the girls that's that's what they did a average healthy red-blooded uh male given the choice between looking at anything else we look at a [Laughter] girl I remember when I was speaking in the v I am this girl said you know I went out with a boy and he didn't want to go to a cafe he says cuz they had waitresses and he didn't want to see the waitresses I said okay he's obviously a boy of fine moral standing and uh you know that's what you're looking for in a husband someone who's not going to be looking at other women and she says well he doesn't have to look at the women there's so many other things to look at you know the trees and the flowers anyway I burst out laughing it took me a full minute to compose myself I was laughing so hard and she said oh no I'm going to be one of your stories and I said yes you will I said do you really think when you're standing under the hoer your husband's going to be staring at your bouquet give it a choice looking at trees and flowers a guy is going to look at a girl and those Publications which do print pictures of gos and women I know for a fact that boys and men look at the pictures of the girls and the women not out of a healthy sense of oh who's being HED over there but checking them out I was uh uh on plane once waiting for the bathroom and I see somebody on their phone and they have pictures froma and when they would come to a picture of a woman they would enlarge it not the entire picture only parts of the image my mouth dropped open I was like gosh these these poor people get dressed up go to they have no idea that they're being used for immoral [Laughter] purposes so the the places where they um don't want to put up pictures of women Etc that's the that's the reason now those of you who have been watching the rabbi Alami show know that I'm a very questionable moral character I'm just a poor dumb Bal Chua and I went to a co-ed high school and uh you know I have eight daughters you know I mean so I have a a more liberal approach perhaps in other people um but I am keenly aware of my audience and I remember when I was working for ncsy and they were having all the youth organizations coming together at an event and I insisted that the food be glat kosha and they said you know why you making demands on everybody else why does everybody else have to meet your standards and I said because everybody can eat glat koser it doesn't it doesn't you know it's not against anybody's religion to eat glat koser but if you buy the stuff by platters from Ben's Deli which is Hebrew National and open on chabas I can't eat it so if you want to do that you can do that but understand I will not participate because if you set a standard that everyone can participate in okay now having said that when you watch my show you know that you're it's a little bit of a roller coaster ride and when I speak in a regular Yeshiva or a regular Bas Yakov I isue all of my secular references even though you know they're a part of who I am and my background I leave them out I don't make any television or movie or you know uh uh you know societal you know stuff I don't need it yeah even though it's part of who I am but on the podcast I will allow myself that Liberty although there are people who are comfortable with it and I understand that you know and and those people um really should be watching one of the other hundreds of presenters on T time or other places where you get your shur instead of me because you know what can I tell you I bring I bring a certain flavor to it I agree having said that um I have met maybe a half a dozen people who tell me they really enjoyed the podcast I said really he goes yeah I call up and listen because Torah any time has an option that you don't need the Internet you can just call on the phone and listen to the sh that means that I have listeners out there who have such sensitivity they don't use the internet while you're listening to me I'm not sure by the way we've just G on to 246 which is a an a form which only carries um kosher programming and uh we're there now um for uh for a while we were on Nucky radio and then they took us off course I'm not so Nuy and now someone told me we came back on but we're in the adult section you know warning this podcast will maintain material that will be offensive to some viewers please ask your children to leave the room I can understand that I have no objection to that so therefore I know that there are people who will be uncomfortable if I have women on the show now I'm going to I'm going to tell you something I've tried to do for five years and I can't get my kids to do it um I have an extremely talented group of children yeah um they've all taken ballet they all many of them taken modern dance many of them have taken singing lessons uh many of them have are taken art you know and uh and artistic many of them speak and teach teach uh I have a very um uh talented group of kids so I wanted to do a PM episode on the concept of hadat nashim of women being excluded and I wanted three of my girls to come on and wear sheets over there as I and say so uh what's your opinion of women being excluded and to me this is one of the funniest things I I just do a very straight interview every now and then my kids were like yeah yeah yeah and then at the last minute they always back out on me but that has been one of my Chas I've wanted to do for the longest time I think that would be so incredibly funny but there are definitely uh women that I would love to be able to have on the podcast and um the only reason I'm not is for people who uh it would make them uncomfortable and I really try as much as possible to stay within a certain range when I do the podcast that I can be shal as much as possible so hopefully I know I have non-jews who listen to the show I know I have SE people listen to the show I know I have people from all walks of life including I have a large following in uh in Thea Community um I had uh there is a b and Bam a couple of three guys came for shabas sud and uh clearly yish was their first language I have Israelis who tell me they write to me in Hebrew how much they enjoy the podcast and I was like you understand English he goes enough to follow your your podcast but it's it was very interesting because it's a very I I try to be as positive as as I can and to give a positive message you know it was interesting you know they used to do these two giant uh evenings Forin one in Hebrew one in English thousands of women would come and uh I would I would uh often M see the English one and uh and these Israeli girls would come over to me at the end say whatever I said why don't you go to the Hebrew one it goes it's so negative it's so heavy it's so negative when you come to the English one it's so positive it's so uplifting it's makes you feel good you know so uh so that's why I'm you know not because there aren't people that I would like to interview uh only that because I'm trying to uh trying to to satisfy the wide ranging crowd that I have and that's uh that's the answer okay that's it for this episode if you want to find out more about the show you can go to my website RAB ali.com you can make a comment you can write an email um you could sponsor an episode you could sponsor a question answer you could sponsor a par and five you could uh uh download other material and other shurm you could sign up for one of our online shim um or the Dai I had mentioned a time ago about uh maybe starting another online share and someone suggested maybe to do pavos I happen to I happen to find that intriguing because I have my own little sh and uh and during the summer I do a you know pavos and I do it be Ian you know so we started the chabas after PES and we're in the second mishna so we started peric Bay this year we did peric Olive last year and I'm peric Baye you know and I'm I'm finding I have a lot to say so that might be a really interesting thing to start so if there are people interested in that please let me know uh you can go to the website you can uh you can uh you know email 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