PART 2: The Life and Legacy of Rav Moshe Shapira from the View of Two Talmidim (Ep. 222)

hi this is D olowski welcome to the re olowski show and whether you're watching with our friends over at T time wherever you watch or listen to your podcast as always it is a pleasure to have you along and uh this is of course the second installment of my interview with Rabbi nissle about his uh book that he wrote about Raa Shapiro and our discussion about Raa Shapiro and about his book and I hope you enjoy it and the sponsor for this week sponsored by the rabi olowski Seminary Fund in honor of rabie alamy's dream to open a seminary and in honor of mommy daddy RL G Esther Zev BR Ora and Shir well mut we should open up a seminary and uh do good things what can I tell you I always wanted to open to yiva always wanted to Seminary but I'm terrified about the fundraising so if anybody wants to sponsor me to do something meaningful in this world and make like a really great Seminary Yeshiva that nobody will come to because my rules will of course be completely unreasonable so we're looking for you and now the second part of my interview with r Nell I I I thought it was you who told me in the Friday Shear that before they would start Josh Harman would just sit there and teration jokes just whatever jokes he had you know yeah so uh yeah but that was incredible so most of listen there was only once that I heard Raa tell a joke he just because it was funny but I just again the point I so this move anytime he tells a joke afterwards he does this the fingernail trick which evidently is there's some mord that this is supposed to get you to become more serious and stuff like that right you know what the M is for that no idea you ever hear that yeah we should ask rman so that so so I I asked you because you're the of laughter right of Kad you're the of and and uh you wrote beautifully you really did write beautifully over there you did try you made a very powerful point maybe maybe you can just expand for our audience just a little bit about what you saw in OSHA's laughter OSHA's sense of humor because sense of humor is not is not just making he L to tell jokes it's not just telling jokes I could tell you see I have no control over it it just it just comes out you know you know you ever read comic books so in the X-Men there Cyclops who has these like lasers that shoot out of his eyes and he has to wear special glasses to control them otherwise he would just burn up everything you know so um uh I can't control it I really I try even when I try to be serious a joke comes in even if I don't mean it in fact when I was in ncsy there was one Regional director who said to me you know why everybody hates you I said I didn't know they do he say yeah yeah everybody hates you so he says um he says cuz I can make the kids laugh and I can make the kids cry but I can't switch back and forth like you do where you can be like very you know funny and then get very serious and then tell a joke and then get back to serus and then so so you can see it rmha was holding him like you've talked about the kelm you know you know that that control he was holding himself back cuz he loved to tell jokes yeah and he was just and he was tremendously funny and he worked very hard to keep it under control let me tell you something I'm going to regret telling you he used to work in the nightclubs in the in the cats no no no so yeah so I actually I actually CU because uh listen what can I tell you you this is one of the things everyone loves about you okay you make us all laugh made us laugh so I I actually wrote a at the end of the book of laughter some of the funniest lines I heard from Ria over the years now I don't if you know this but this book AR lanski who to give him a copy two weeks ago in Silver Spring he was the god om you know art in feldheim they would not let me write this book unless I had a grown up in the house so so ranski he literally read it from cover to cover and he said this you should take out it's not and I realized he was right the jokes yeah just right it was here and there I would put in a funny line be to have like a section about risha's the jokes put cont now funniest lines he had a lot of them and his puns and his thing they're just genius some of the and they were instant and whatever it was the point is is that is that he made me take it out so um bar had you to write that little thing about Raa he had uh he um uh he says you know I was driving with this fell you know and and he's holding the steering wheel and with the steering wheel he looks at me and he goes he thought that was so funny he loved it you know but he told the story was he was talking about an AER AER he says so there was this fellow you know wealthy fellow you know and he said he started he was selling newspapers you know saving up his money and eventually started selling this and he built it up and that and then his father died and left him $100 million and nobody went crazy and Ro stops he goes back you know but you could say he would have just worked the room for next 15 minutes if you could and it was also a master Storyteller because I'll tell you something interesting um I was not that successful in y I know what com is complete surprise to you but um uh because they didn't know that I had dyslexia and add and all the other different problems that I was battling with and he had brues like me you know no that was already when I was an adult I'm thinking about back then I it was just it was so everything was was terribly difficult so at one point I won't mention which is was in but someone asked the r who's the best guy in the Yesa he says olski he says what do you mean what are the reasons why he was not the best guy yeah so he says first of all whenever you explain something to him he hops it right away he say second all you hear his jokes you know how fast his mind has to work to come up with those jokes so if you're very smart M you're funny you know true so by him also love to tell jokes you know Raa Shapiro he it was he was just a fountain but he he kept it under control it was that that that you know discipline but uh yeah he loved to tell jokes it was uh you know I I would I would hear him all the time um I don't remember what I wrote so you'll have to remind me it's in the book it's there I believe you I believe you no but the point you made is that overwhelming you always felt that there was always a mess message in the jokes something you could learn out of them that was that he would not just tell jokes because they were funny oh it was part of his part of his message it wasn't just to make himself interesting I had I had a a woman once in in when I was giving sh she goes you know I told you Shir over to my husband I said very nice because you don't understand I can't remember Shir I just I don't have a head for it but I remember stories and jokes and from you Shir if you remember the stories and jokes you can recreate this year I used to give a parish year in seminary and it took it took the girls one girl right took it towards the end of the year I'd always start with a little story or a joke Etc and then I'd give us my questions this and that and then I would give the answers you know so one time a girl says one second I know the answer it's always in the opening joke could you come back and say that's why what what was the opening joke you know you know that's where it's gonna go of course you know in other words you you you use you remember he would always say now this is a and this is a right because when you laugh you open up sure so if you can laughter opens you up to be able to hear new things and so that's why there was this tremendous tension because of his emphasis on coverra to keep things very serious you know and the same token he himself was just loveed to love to have yeah and and when he was dealing with the balich Chua so there he was extra like the was the really beginners um so apparently when he was in Russia the Russian kids did not understand who he was later on they did the most senior ones did most people didn't know who he was but someone told me a story this guy is walking New York and he comes up he sees a guy looks like a rabbi he's a regular Orthodox guy you know I guess we can use the term modern Orthodox I don't know but he wasn't yeshivish you know and he sees this guy he thinks he RAB says excuse me are you a Rabbi says yes says can I ask you a question he says yeah he goes how come when you go to there are more than it doesn't make any sense there should be a lot more Le than so unb to him this was right he only found out later so he goes and therefore D is always shol on them and that's why throughout the generations Le always getting cut down because since they represent then they get but here you just see this guy on the street and you say excuse me are you a rabbi you know what I mean like and just ask me a question our friend Z said to me something once that that I think sums up who Rema is he says I've met people who know everything before but I never met anyone who has a Mahal in everything right so notes should know everything but he's thought about it and has whenever you ask him anything thing so I never had this experience but Z would have it ask him goes so he would say his PR he goes take it to another level you know I we had a friend you and I know a friend he told me not to write the story but he said that him and his they worked to mik for a whole year part he said at the end of the year they went in to say over their that what they came out with on M they went to and wherever they ended that's where mha began mha started to adding more levels and more Lev and they all left like that you told that story to me when you were driving him on a Friday and you start to say over your in melester right you know something about this of course they didn't say it but he he had this line a number of times and this was one of the amazing things of Misha is that he would say um someone question goes you can't figure that out for yourself I I have to tell you that right I gave you enough information and he was very big on making you become an adult right my son went before Su and he was having a very hard time in yeshivas and he was complaining about the system to rmha and rmha only backed him up and added to it you know he said are you going to say what he I don't care you know me now that's P to anybody who has half a brain that's not a big it's Politically Incorrect but it's for sure true everyone knows the system is broken you know but he'll say it so uh so he says so what do I do I say what do he do so take care of yourself you're right know yes so do it yourself it was a it was a eye-opening uh sense of where he was into empowering you right and forcing you to work for clel Jonathan both Rabbi tats and R were here in speaking to groups like eight people and Raa hounded them to go back to America or to England and go and do something for clly Isel they didn't want to leave they want to be he says no go and do something he did the same thing to me he wouldn't let me leave Memphis remember that story no oh my gosh he did not want me to leave Memphis Tennessee he said you stay there this is where you belong um he he was sent all of us out you remember during that South Africa when everything was falling apart he told everyone should go to South Africa cuz it's a time of Ace Raton he saw what I was doing in Memphis and uh I had to leave Memphis for my oldest son for M and he was not happy and he made you said he was the most educated Jew in Memphis at that yeah okay let's not go that far but yeah no the second you you left out green blat besides the green blats that's true but but um Raa who took care of me in Memphis he really did he I used to call him up regularly and B korus he he really did take care of me there he felt I should stay he made a terrible prediction about what would happen if I would leave which I'm going to tell you afterwards you I do not want this I'll tell you after is what he said if I left and the next perm after I came back totis he gave me that I don't want to see your face and then he turned to Y and he said to Y you should know that your father bringing you back to ER Isel was the best thing he ever did wow and that was his breath that was for it was the best thing for me he felt I should be in America he always told me I should be in America God help me there was a school in America that wanted me to become the dean I had four four schools thousand kids in it you know in all the different schools but it was coed so uh they they were offering with the phys he says if you can separate the boys and the girls you're going kazak the boys and learn and the girls in amona then you should take it I said but how do I separate it he sat with me for almost an hour how we work out the gym how we work out the lunchroom how we work out the office how we work out all the stuff you know and he says and that's the proposal you should make so at the time there was no way I could move my family back to America so I'd become one of those commuting you know OBS you know what I mean where I go and live in my my mom's house hi I'm the de you know come home and see my family once every month or two which probably would have helped my kids but uh but uh you know so I said to him I said I said buta I don't want to go you know it's too hard and he says to me ripped do it we don't go where we want we go where we're needed and I can't be M on a thousand kids so I said to my wife I said M says I got to take the job so I went and I told him I have to separ the boys and girls and they said no Dodge that bullet you know I me but ready to do it you know if that's should told me and and he had this Keen sense of clly Isel and making people stand so so the point that I want to get to is so he was in the mirror and you were going to tell the story about this is many many points ago the last point we made was about was about how it reminds me of a story yeah so he's you talking about his learning yeah so so um my opening story is was the the great Genius of the miror uh R if you think that said Raa was tough was tough on a different League I had to take out some of the part of the stories about how he would deal with the guys people saw how he would deal with the GU was very very tough in his younger years he was super super and um people come up to him asked the question and 10 seconds later they would come scurrying back to their standards buta get up to speak to put on a big smile and that was it that the rest of the morning Sater there was like a fireworks display it was the two of them were at each other and adored Raa and they calleda in those days in the Mir Mal theer Mal Mal was the genius of the that went to America from from Shanghai and they saw in raisha that he was going to be that new M mere genius it never happened because because raisha never ever stood stood still he always went to to the next place where he could glean from and and uh where you go to the mirror so I don't remember you have to look it up in my book I thought it was in a biography yeah it's in the biography it's in the book over there but I'm pretty sure at some point he went to he went to Tel Aviv afterwards to learn by r m Feinstein he wanted to get from from him as well um and each one he got a little little bit of a different thing so he's the only person I know that was a God that became um that combined four different strands of Lomas which was panovich and then Kon and then Mir and then brisk okay because he also the brisk and the brisk when he get into the brisk so the his connection with brisar was really oneon-one um on M shabas he used to go for years while he was going in Kon to be there for havdala and to stay there afterwards and um um actually most of the time that he spent with bris gav he chose to be silent he was just watching the brisk every single move every single Nuance to what he could learn from the brisar and um the family holds that the brisar was the that was in front of RA everywhere he went was the cover the person that that that brisk side to him but it's incredible when you think about it when you mention those four yes and this is without even mentioning what he got in and the fact that he had a with the old previous tion of a Reba so he was yic from all the different types ofas as well um all in one person and that is how he built himself one of the things that I never heard of that Jonathan Rosen wrote kindly about me in his little mishak article that you should read you should read he I only read the K okay there's no pictures I don't wor okay writer so but I also go to the K first okay we but he said something very very very true he said Raa never wanted quote that were just to rearrange the furniture unquote he never wanted people just to say Raa said he wanted as each to be a Mak right each person should create their own ter through their own to take from Raa and then build themselves through that that's why what when I think it was a who brought me to RHA he says RHA wants people who are going to go out into the world and do things because he wants to build not just but build people who are going to be Mas on the world not just people take care of themselves correct so that's why on the cover I wrote through the lens of one talid because I want the reader to know they're hearing my voice how I saw even though I'm trying to teacha but it sounds like I did that on purpose um just like aat sounds like in his farm even though the main source is RHA and yes let's go a little video and then and then Ruben schmeltzer Ruby schmelzer which is this incredible Magnum op you're hearing Ru that's who you're hearing when you read the stuff he wres beautifully that's I thinka wanted he too big too big he can't capture yeah and and honestly the Von if you read all his so if you you read it doesn't sound like the and you read sounds everyone they recreated the B 10 the 10 original rebes each took Aid of the B and worked on that because he was too big right you know and that was the of one took his eyes one took his mouth one took his brain one took his heart and uh yeah so I think that's where that to me D Cohen about rutner was too big he says so got his and David got his and Feld got his wow and I got his sense of [Laughter] humor I was by ripped off two weeks ago I gave him in his hands the safer and he told me something beautiful which I wish I would have known be able to say this in the safer he said that after Hut passed away the only person he could listen to that would be an echo of what he used to get out of R hutna was rmha he he he told me that he adored rmha Andor his his Terra now how did he get the cas with hudner where' that come from so that was um at a later stage yes B there you had Schwartz and I heard the story that he was young can you tell the story because I'm going to I'm going to get into trouble this is what I heard I heard that when the three of them were learning cabala do Schwartzman R hudna and um rmha every now and then they would send him out of the room because what they were doing was too deep for him could be I I never heard that story I never heard that story but I do know is that um he those two became for raisha and uh and um raisha would learn Kabal with RNA um at night sometimes all night long I describe one of the stories in in in the book which I heard directly from the family and then he would walk home from rut's house which I think was in onor back to his home and by aun um dancing right dancing literally Dancing Home in the we hours of the morning from just the the exhilaration of what he had learned from rutner and interestingly he K never quoted rut if you notice from he did not quote from rut and um I Heard a reason why I'm not going to say who told me because I'm not sure this is supposed to be quoted but he said that when he gave over his Terror his he wanted rut had a specific style and Raa wanted to have his specific style so he didn't want it he didn't want to become like rut plus so to speak so he he it's an interesting thing that you're saying because I remember seeing an article in the mishak going to write about you we caught you what no I just read the introduction because anything that will aggravate me in the Mish I read but it it started it was very interesting apparently with H's purm was unbelievable right and so uh so the guy who's writing the article he says I spoke to you know about goes you can't write about his poem you can't describe it and he went to three and they all said the same thing you can't describe it right he goes but basically what he said is what I have to write an article so I'm going to do it anyway but the fact that they would say that about Riv Hood's I never heard that about anybody like you can't describe it no one ever said that about the brisk rev nobody said there was something about Riv hutner that was on a different level than than else hence there's no there's no arle biography of rut how come I never realized that yeah and there's no did you Jonathan well the same kind was the listen ra rep have a lot in common in that sense that they were both way Larger than Life and there was uh it was very hard to put down in words the way that they thought and the way that they did things and the way that they ran things hence I hid behind other people in my safer all right so when does now you got into him when you ended up in Mish yes so that was now this was a uh a moment in history right that has never been before or since right now the way I understand the story is that re elephant in it was a black hole and he would suck up everybody into it anyone who had any potential he would right away hire him and come to it yeah uh and it wasn't only that because I heard when I was in in 1975 they said be careful when you come to the airport because elephant would stand there with a van and when you would come out he'd say where you going so you say I'm going to the mirror I'm going to H go I said come I'll get you a ride then come in he would drive him to they're like What's this he goes hey just stay the night we'll give you supper you know and you can go you know and that's how he would recruit at the airport and he had everybody there but there was too many big fish in a small pond and eventually they broke off and made their own Yeshiva many many many yeshivas came out of a tree so that one was michan right which at the time when I remember was called split Tre right cuz it split off of it so spittering right and Raa was one of the people that elephant sucked in Raa Ador he was there he was he was there in yeah was there yeah and they all there they all there at the same time when I came literally I saw these are the G in your neighborhood I could not keep up I could not keep up with the amount of incredible at the beginning cuz I thought he came in later into Mish okay so that Thea and and it was a short but later on what happen when when it split and became split M so deons ofon when they built it they knew that for the Yeshiva to become um a major brand name Yeshiva they needed a scoop and was related to to to and it was a period of time wherea was available it was just coming back from Stanford those Stanford years in America so he and that became he became a magnet that's how later on M Hadis where that's how everyone came to Raa through mishkan and Mish was this extraordinary seven years of which six and a half Raa was there and produced an insane amount of people in in education we for example we just mentioned R okay and RAB K RAB Z and RAB walan and uh and and all these people went out and and changed the world this is it did not do this it Pro in ER they did ER Russ a lot of them came out of there right yes so if you ask who the who are the two biggest people in shabas today it was Rabbi galber who wrote with the the the and pet pet they they were all there everyone was said a lot of the big rashish Shas today went through it not just panovich and not just brisk and Kon right it was a lot of them came through it but Mish literally the ones especially in kirv um produced a huge amount of people that went through now how did that happen why why did that that's not no Yeshiva does that no Yeshiva looks at itself as I'm training the the leaders of the next door in Hab you know I never really thought about it because everyone who came out of there all said the same thing it was it was somehow the message we got in Mishra that we need you to go out and save CLA right Risha was massive massive in giving over that message um he built us like like a stable of horses but each one unique and special and expected us to go out and change the world so that Wasa was the impetus of that um R griin was was was a full partner in that and and and all the other stuff I'm surprised cuz he didn't seem like a Hab K kind of guy he was pich you know yeah but in in this particular area um you're right you're right okay yeah it was uh as they say in Facebook it was complicated but yeah but he know I rash was was was um was a big big um lover of Raa he used to sit risha's feet like a talid even though they were together on the same staff um and uh he held of everything that rosha was doing in Yesa except for when they didn't well they rosha St yeah they had reela yeah and they and they had Riv gurtz exactly and all these people were I mean these are some of the biggest names some of the biggest names the first year we got married so Debbie and I we made a a permit we invited all the young couples and rash had a fit he said there's no way to you have all these young couples there at a per where people are drunk and he asked me to to cancel it and then um raish found out that I was canceling that P and he felt it was very important for the wies to have such a thing and he said the following words he says if might tell me them don't know how to behave in such a situation I have failed wow and it was it was a beautiful p and it was very separate one and yeah so um that period of time those seven years Mash first of all he was not that well known and he gave us no of time he was he was never that well known even at the end a lot of people didn't know who he was even people may have heard of his name people were not familiar with he was not he was not was like your average GLE he wasn't the the bista you know I don't think he had a card exactly he he was never part of a mo never part of a he was never a rash of a mainstream Yesa by choice he was offered to be but he felt much more comfortable working with our kids and working with he did someone made a he gave about 40 shum a week yeah you know it might have been more but I'm not counting the secret ones in the middle of the night but no no we are counting the secret ones in the night without that it's 30 that's how it works but uh but uh you know he couldn't do that and be R yeah so one all have to go into he told time this was after Mish days and that's the reason people said mtj was never that successful because Ra was too busy taking care of ran said to Raa if you would invest more in your Yesa Thea would become a much bigger Yesa this was the Yesa that he built after mishan so said what what was that honestly I forgotten the name okay so really made a big impact massive impact he did it together with his with his son-in-law was the one that ran it okay I can't just put myself into 20 blood of he he just he couldn't he couldn't just become this put his whole thing into a Yesa so when he was in Yesa he was fully in Yesa and then he would do his thing and give all the and do everything else that made him Raa and Raa felt that was what wanted to do to be extremely eclectic and Broad and and to be able to have that he knew everything yeah I wanted to share with you that you mentioned about his he had a m and everything yeah so I I did not fully give Justice I have a on special needs kids now you think special needs kids exactly said he had literally he has like me 30 40 hours of tapes just on the topic of special needs kids and I I I've been begging R so if you're listening okay RAR if you're listening okay to make it into a book not of RA but you RAR taking ra and make it into a user friendly so any parent with these uh these uh these wonderful children one of them is of course of course my granddaughter princess KH so they would get prop and prop so I just wrote like one chapter of that famous letter that he wrote of which R kamki said you think you think a Rishon had written these words because there was so much ter and so much just a few amount of words but what was incredible about this topic of special needs children raisha had a Mahal from the very practical how you raised them how you teach them whose whole thing is you got to treat them like normal children exactly with any other kid don't give them special names give them a regular name that was my personal story that's how the chapter begins princess KH is named after her grandfather and felt it was a tremendous excuse me her grandmother it was a tremendous tremendous because it was a re you name when the the the especially these kids is a child that doesn't sin and is a purveyor of joy and Sim makes everyone smile makes everyone happy and pure pure for the Nas and the same time he had layers and layers of death what was a special needs kids in terms of cabala and what's going to happen with mhia comes and in terms of the of the extraordinary um elevation that the nishas had trapped in this body he had a Mahal in what was all about and most beautiful of all because I only heard it from him is this belief that just like at her everyone was healed at her so mhia comes and there's the process to makak in the world so that chromosome that cses Downs will be taken away and um and we'll find the true nature of princess khani and um this is this is something that only one person could have that extraordinary and the medical Dimension he actually had a theory about how science today can actually cure Down syndrome which told me that there was an article I think in the New York Times that came up with similar ideas that raos had been theorizing all along about how this could be fixed with this whole thing called chromosomes I have not used the word chromosome in a sentence since I was in high school but that he raisha was able to do all of this stuff he told the story where somebody was coming to work with his kid and um not schlomo not aomo and uh you know she so whoever this is comes in and she starts putting on rubber gloves so the kid took her bag and brought it to the door like bye yeah so she couldn't do anything you know so he told the story ofation he says because he knows who loves him right right he knows who loves him I did not put this I need to get back to RAR because um I Heard once from him that wherea from the airport went to the house and he sat down on the floor for 45 minutes playing with this child MH so I need to get the the exact story correct but uh somebody just told me over in his name that 45 minutes to play with the child on the floor you know much have AA and patience and ability to connect to a little child to be able to do that now you said he was never the same since his daughter died yeah that was that was when was that um so this was he came to ARA in 19 I heard this from langum the same yeah afterwards he become much more a softy it was a game changer which is pretty funny cuz most people who meet him would not say what a softy yeah yeah what a sweetheart but evidently he was much more I got I got slapped much less no but it it was it was he became he became more like you know Zeta like and and and uh when was that um was it 1982 I think it was yeah this during that when y was born was um he he's just he's turning 40 soon that help me out okay he that was when he she was in her last months and uh Ria took it very very badly that was he I don't remember anyone after the death of a child of his stature becoming a broken man he was a broken man he was well people describe it to me that he was fighting to save her life yeah and he he was sure he was going to be successful and he was shocked he wasn't able to do it in fact when he was sitting shiv someone told me he said he says there are three Partners in creation the gamar says mother father and because I didn't agree to this right it's the thing theah the r says that you can't break up a without the other side's agree unless you know it's so said I can only assume that this is but we just mentioned once came in to where Raa was in Brooklyn he walked in this is when shulamis was very very sick he walked into a room where raisha was ding aay on his own I don't remember exact exact numbers he gave but he DED a 40 minute of which about 10 minutes 10 minutes was spent onu and he which by the way for those who are not familiar did not D in a very long except for when he did I saying but it's a rule regular there are certain people who always do these very long he would when we used to D after the shear yeah he was one of the first ones done yeah okay that is correct but when during that kufa in Mish was ding 40 minutes est's cader during that period and um that kufa when he you remember the story a guy came out to him and says Reby what sui were you learning in America so looked at him and says I was learning the of um of right poor guy sorry for this that's the that he used so he heard he was arguing with right he says he says he says he says I can't my is not so good he says this is this is Raa was arguing with God she's your I mean how do you know the story from he came in and watched him d yeah he but he's your daughter as well he's your daughter as well and just it's so powerful and and and the only other person I know that used to D that was the CL and told me to tell my and not to D that way you should not be talking to except for the end the very end of before you take you three steps back because he felt that our generation doesn't have that to talk to but when he was alone it was just him and and no one was watching except for Reitz who had sneaked in so he was fighting the Mal and he was arguing with to keep sh alive and another thing I did not put into the book Rebel Lum he was that is that uh at the Shiva the levah he he wanted to jump in into the Kev with her they had to pull him back heard that right and then after the after the the Levi was over he pulled himself together and he called over all the T that were there and he said tonight one of theab has a he said you have to promise me I can't go you have to prom you're going to dance there as if you saw nothing here today give it give it your all that was his heart I heard another version of that that as he was getting to the car he saw that talet who was getting married and he went over and said a few like said a few words to him and then went back in the car I never heard that was and he says how remember he couldn't talk he was like how'd you do that he says he's getting married tonight I didn't want him to feel like I wasn't happy for yeah that's unbelievable Next Level yeah next level so yeah all right Rina so what do you want everybody to take away from this book first we want to buy the book yeah to BU where is it available at all your local books by the way I was just told that not in Amazon there's 600 pre-order on Amazon the the boats should be arriving on American Shores very soon [Music] oh there 600 pre-ordered in am which is like f side this is pretty impressive and they told me this two weeks ago so um yeah I mean look what I want most of all is that your listeners who don't know who is they just heard about him from Rift TS and re Hartman and all the famous tting that he had you will be able to understand the depth of his T I worked very hard to have 26 essays of his Torah in a language that everyone can appreciate it and it was checked over by an adult yeah it was checked over by adult yesterday I got a I got a WhatsApp from sukii Barry you remember it's from sui sui says that um um I went to get your safer and um they already ran out and he says the the owner the farm store says a g says why he says yeah I took one of those books home and I was up till 3 in the morning okay so so I did I CH made and at the same time um to try and get a picture of who the man was by trying to get as many people as could get hold of about 200 people I quote telling over their stories in their language to get try a vision of who this this awesome rebi was mayor stel had me speak in Baltimore after he was n and I said I'm not an authority I'm not one of the he goes no no nobody is everyone can only give their picture correct like their little snapshot OFA so share yours you know and I and I really triy to to just share my own experiences but I listen to other people talk I don't know who they're talking about yeah I can't even relate to it I don't know what they're saying and uh and that's that's how big he was that uh I want to ask you toid this these crazy times what do you think raisha would have said it's one of the questions that been ask me raisha spoke so much about ish and everything that's going on and um and not just ishm just the whole breakdown of our youth and all the things that we're dealing with what do you think he would have said he would have said what he said that suus after the Twin Towers went down this is Goa MOG and he says and when it's over you saw how the Twin Towers went that's how everything is going to go there won't be two rocks on top of each other everything is going down that that's what he said to anybody and I'll never forget CU I was there and someone said I thought the Holocaust was the was the goog he says obviously not because M didn't come but now it's starting and he said once the reason people are going off the D you find kids going off the D from nice nice families for no good reason is the gar bras that says that the Capal of was put next to the capital of uh of gogogo because in case you think that the nation of the world will not turn against their father in Heaven right you know a son will turn against his father he goes the fact that you see this is a Simmon that we're in goog and he would tell it to anybody who would listen this is the beginning and I remember I said to him I said to him I said yeah but there are so many people who today they're casers to yish is only because of the Holocaust he goes I said he says Jewish identity he says he says David when mashia comes everyone's going to do chuva and he added another time and not like we do on but but you know told Chua says did you do chva says after this you will do chuba right so everything that was happening he looked at it as a Continuum from the from the Twin Towers and he was I I remember in the Thursday night share afterwards he he couldn't find words he just kept going like this like like like how everything just went down like that he says he says just unbelievable you know it's it's doesn't make sense you know and uh and he just said this was the beginning and I'll tell you what's interesting is then I went to R Bulman and that same Cirus yeah and he said and I said Reby what's going on and he was nifter shortly afterwards and he said D this is goo like now when you find Ray Bulman and on the same page they weren't usually you know so uh uh remember America went into into Iraq with Saddam wasin it was a sh Raba yeah that's then tell me the same thing maybe maybe maybe it's the beginning a sh Raba is when goog is supposed to start well measure was unequivocal right this is the beginning of the end and just watch it happening so I don't think he would have been surprised by what took place um and like you say h is the final Y and the day after this happens so it's you know there there's a you know he says this is the beginning and I'm afraid to say it but I don't think this is the end and every time you think okay we're turning the corner how are they still shooting missiles at us from guys how's it possible we blew up everything and they still have more missiles that they're pulling out from someplace and every day you see Four soldiers are killed six soldiers are killed it's such a p my son-in-law is there I mean we're we're we're terrified all the time you know when you when you when you look what's what's going on in the situation you ask how could this be going on and I just hear saying this is the beginning I think Raa would have been driving us crazy to make sure that we D yeah that's what he always would say says the of is and we have to defeat him and he would say the other thing is M right that they they have merious neish and we have to have more merious neish than them we have to have the merious neish of a suicide bomb you know in our in our Torah and our Mitzvah and and our daving you know and uh you know he he was just and it was worse than that that because he described the suicide bombers as at the end of parus toos where y marries into ASV and the two are united together he says that is you know that's aik that's total destru is the Su the first suicide bomber the first that's that he used to say that is's kak of suicide bombing comes from that that that that amolik side that he had yeah can we finish on something a little bit more positive happier I want than what the other one said he goes I want to leave you with a positive thought but I don't have one so I'll give you two negative ones two negatives make a POS I'm I want to say something positive I want to say the last time I saw you brought up the War I wasn't going to talk about it but I think I think I think it I think about it a lot what would M have said it's extraordinary a lot and when I dealing with NY what the kids are going through and the challenges they're going through what should have said I always had him to ask my questions to and he's not there that's that's the probably the biggest hole in my soul yeah and I have to say and not only not only because I have nobody to turn to but because um when you have a question R Brown told me how you first started coming he went asra m bunch of questions and he would yell at him you know and he'd say I don't care if you yell at me I have a lot of I have very high selfesteem you know yell at me call me names just give me an answer just answer my questions because nobody can answer my questions you know Raa could everything Raa always could Raa always had that Clarity and gave you exactra and now we have to someh figure things out ourselves I don't know how yeah we have no choice we have who has who is filling that role to today so I I I go to so many people it's not the same you know I go to make I go to gelt um I speak things over with my with people like you know all these people just to to but at the end of the day I realize a little bit I'm on my own I have to find those shoulders after almost 40 years with him to give advice and to try the best to give the and I got a call from a teenage girl who's father uh uh NE died in the plan crash and she says what does a want from me now right and I said the hero's journey is alone you know that's why Frodo has to lose Gand that's why Harry Potter has to lose Dumbledore the hero's journey ultimately has to be alone you have to do it yourself I said now is putting you on your a hero's journey right and that's that's where you have to go and uh to me the fact that someone like me is taken seriously by CLA Isel as someone who has something to say when I remembera I say mom talking about awesome and you got to come and ask me and people are turning to me for advice it's it's unbelievable because I would go MAA and I was the smallest I wasn't even a tet I was just a little kid peeking in the window you know when he was talking you know looking over to see what was going on you know and and I would go to the real Tom them and ask them questions and things like that you know but uh but I have a shadow of a shadow of a shadow I tell you what between all of us if me and you and all and all and all the that he had in Russia and and and and in South Africa as well and South America and Mexico across the F of plains of America America all over France together together we can try and recreate in our own little way what he was trying to do that's what he wanted that's what guess we could bring it all together yeah I want to say one more thing I want to thank R sh because I don't know if you remember the last time I saw you but it was quite a while and it was in Brooklyn okay we were Fring together I think maybe on never fres no no no we were eating eating um r said Sushi if you remember in Brooklyn I never have eaten sushi in my life so so it can't be Sushi was my choice okay what were you eating do you remember what you were eating at that point then you were there food okay not raw fish and and sticky rice why would I do that and I always think to myself it's ridiculous I have to come all the way about the D dinner yeah D dinner I live literally a few hundred feet away from you and uh I I just it's insane that we're so busy you see people in America more often than you see people it's not normal and say thank youa upstairs right that because of the incredible rowski show I get to be back in this this beautiful where we used to Le for many years yeah and all the fun memories and the perms together and stuff like that and and the thousands of thousands of people who are hearing maybe about Risha certainly on this level for the first time andem they'll go and buy the book assuming they can find it some place amen and uh you know and and capture that essence you know our good friend yakob be you know he had pictures on his wall of a smiling Rebel yashiv and a smiling Risha and you know certain gum who were you you think of them in terms of of Y like like your picture over there you know and he he caught them smiling I me he used to make them laugh you know they didn't make him laugh he just they just smiled when they saw him you know he was once at one of these uh rallies and bronzor was up there you know and he sees him goes oh like he's wav him from the face you know so raisha had this this you know thing where you you just think about him and you know I I I felt like this was a person who loved me and loved my children and cared about me and I was nobody I was not like I said you know I said you're going to kill the J goes it's really very funny that anyone thinks I would ask you to represent me you know I was a real little person but I said I'm having a problem with this kid I'm having a problem with that kid he says bring him by we'll talk right away and within 24 hours he made time I don't know how it's possible thousand my son was trying to get into a particular is he called the guy over and over again the guy wasn't picking up the phone and I asked him once about it you know and he said I've called him he said look look at my I called him five times you know he's chasing down some Riva to get my kid into it yeah it's a hole a hole in my soul tell me about it all right well for we so appreciate this and just a chance to be able to talk about Risha and that's it for this week or weeks I guess how long are we how long is this almost two hours all right well I guess it's a two-parter but in any event uh until next time uh if you want to find out more about the show you can go to my website ri.com you can sponsor an episode you can sponsor a question answer which we're not going to have in these two episodes uh you can sponsor a par in five you can uh um sponsor uh Join one of our online sh and in and DFI and uh you can download our theme song you know I have a theme song I want to hear it yeah you have to watch the podcast Lenny Solomon when he was on 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