One Year Later - What Can We Learn with Avi Yudkowsky PART 2 (Ep. 258)

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joining that WhatsApp group and now part two of my interview we drove to the closest hospital cuz they needed it um so when we were on the way there it's about 25 minute drive and on the way there there's a story that I can't forget I remember this guy that was hit his leg from an RPG is laying down down on the stretcher and this guy is bleeding from his face sitting down and the guy who was shying his leg was sitting near the driver um and we're driving he was in the best shape yeah yeah he was in a great shape better than me um and and and we start leg Yeah but recovered he recovered yeah um there's I I I don't even remember his name I don't remember how he looks like like we took that day so many people that were just just chatt in their leg and we didn't even have time to really take care of them cuz every person who was like even when he got to the hospital hey hello what's your name great you're breathing okay wait here on the site till we cuz there's other people that really need right so when we were on the way but they don't teach you that in Hut Sola what do you do when you have to do triage where like there are four people injured which one do you take because H solo doesn't find themselves in those kind of situations uh we do sometimes but of course sometimes if you get a loan to a car accident with 500 people but of course that it's not the same thing cuz in but in a few minutes there's already enough people to take care of everyone um but of course that you always take care first of the guy who has the most chance to survive did you did you see at any point during the day any army ambulances coming in and towards 8 n o' they at how is that possible all right nothing nothing you can't explain anything that day you can't explain anything that went like it's supposed to or not went like it's not just you kind even all the soldiers that were fighting at that point it wasn't it was people that just heard what's happening what I heard that most of the it wasn't even an organized response his people heard and they just got in their car and ran down with their gun of course I every person who heard what's going on just took his gun and went into his car and drove D South and started fighting just every three four five people got together and drove to Kar and started to fight together um like person who was in charge was on vacation and they didn't even wake up Nan I don't know and it doesn't matter I would matter to me if I there was a war going on and no one bothered telling me um I would get a little touchy if I was a CH I understand what you're saying but I I come from a point that it doesn't matter if they're going to wake him up or not wake him up everything will happen this is just was supposed to happen doesn't matter if someone else was going to be instead of him or they just this is what Hashem wants and we need to see what why he wanted this to happen and and continue being strong strong and doing the right stuff we're supposed to do and what's your answer why did this happen why not okay all right this's this is one of the more depressing takes I've heard on on October 7th because we deserved it okay why this happened because we had it coming because why not right we we're just the past few years here we're living and we're there's so many so many people that are not keeping toan mzv and there's fighting and there's so so you see that maybe there's a reason we deserve it but but we need to know how to really take it to a good place and not to a bad place from someone who said I'm not getting up for shakas all right so you keep going back and forth to uh to UHA that that was your day uh yeah basically and you were busy the whole time yeah um and at that point when we were on the way to the to the hospital um all of a sudden this guy is laying down on the bed and we give him IV he's losing a lot of blood and I'm stopping the bleeding from the guy who's sitting down and he's bleeding from his face um and he se's getting pale and he decid that he needs to get us so Ivy um when you say Ivy you mean a transfusion like blood not blood we don't have blood we're just EMTs um they don't give you guys blood no we don't don't have at that point blood um but we could get him ready to get blood and give him um till he gets blood we could give him uh plasma no not PL plasma they give give you anything what do they give you like salt water what yep that's it give you saling that's great yeah that's great um it does help if someone's a half hour away from the hospital and then he till he gets blood it does help keeps keeps something in his body going of course um so that's what did I decided I need we should give him IV um so Emmanuel was trying to find a comfortable way to do it while he's standing and this guy is sitting and he doesn't have really much room in the ambulance to take care of him uh so while he's like finding the people bleeding everywhere yeah of course the whole ambulance is full of garbage and blood and whatever so he's he's trying to find this comfortable way to do it and wasn't the guy on the that was on the stretcher he sees that he's like struggling so he tells him you want him to lay down and I should sit so we look at each other like how you even able to talk like what what's going on here and he's like hey he tolds us this he's like man I'm not a I'm not a boy I know what I'm doing he just opens his seat Bel stands up on one foot picks his friends up put him on the stretcher and sits down and I think that this is a story that's it's not going to happen in no other army in the world and they didn't know know each other till an hour before when they started fighting together and I think that the the the the strength when someone's on the way to the hospital without a without his foot and he sees what his friend needs he sees what someone else's need I think this is uh th this is us this is who we are now Emanuel is the other EMT that was with me in the ambulance and who was driving AI avi's driving another AI yeah right and where did Emanuel come from because AI was driving and he met you yeah he met me by the entrance to gadv after he picked him he picked up okay so did he get the IV in uh yeah and then did they switch places again no they stayed like that till the till the till the hospital um what were the hospitals like when we got there there was already bunch of doctors waiting for us outside um I mean I had to be a mad house in there 50 50 60 beds were already struts outside just for like there's just a a line of ambulances yeah that were just Tak civilians and soldiers just coming off like every ambulance who comes has two three four five uh people that are injured and we just drop them off and continue right away I don't think it was like this in any other war no it was got the a man were there were mash units you know what I mean like medical units out on the out in the battle field and things like that there was nothing here right it's it's it's it's crazy to understand I think a good example is so when right after we dropped them off we start me and Emmanuel were in the back we started cleaning the ambulance and we were trying like we were about to leave D yeah and a sudden someone knocks on the knocks on our window and he tells us uh a soldier um and he tells us I was shot in my hand three hours ago and they they treat me over here they took care of me and I need to get back to my unit where are you going to so we told them hopen we'll take you where you need to get to um so he gets on the ambulance and me and Emmanuel are cleaning in the back and we start driving and he says this unit is in Barry so we start driving towards Barry and I remember when we were on the way shabus was over uh I was looking at the clock cuz I really really really wanted to smoke a cigarette um so at that point yeah that's what I'm always thinking during these situ uh yeah it was really hard I smoke and see me I'd be looking for a C through this yeah I would be looking for a cigarette yeah and uh when we were on the way all sudden he got a phone call from from his friend that told him uh he's finished um yeah we left Barry they need us in the in the theot police station there's a lot of fire over there they need us over there so he told us listen could you take me to Z said of course we drove there so he's got civilians in an ambulance and there's a firefight going on in stad and says could you take me to the firefight yeah does anyone see anything wrong with this picture no okay just asking just want to make sure I got this all down yeah this is this is who we are and I think that every split second over there just every person who was there th threw what the best thing he can do to help and just did it now you were in stere in the morning already so you we knew what's going on over there um we took him straight to the police station and was there a firefight going up yeah right when we got there there was uh his whole unit these seven eight guys were standing behind this uh this car um and they were shooting towards the police station and from the police station they were shooting towards them towards his un you didn't think they might decide to shoot at this ambulance so we didn't really know at that point and we driving yeah and we're driving straight there with all our lights on and his Commander starts screaming that's what are you doing they're going to shoot you in a second like come into this driveway and turn your lights off so we right away we turned the lights off we drove into this small driveway that they shouldn't be able to shoot us um and they start shoothing towards towards us um and we get out of the ambulance we start we stand on the other side that we shouldn't get shot um and I told Abby give me a cigarette give me a cigarette and uh we and I think that that's really a a second we we lit our cigarette and we're smoking and all sudden I tell Avi calls his wife and he tells him that they're okay and Emmanuel calls his wife and I smoke a cigarette and I didn't think to call any body yeah and I and I and I tell them listen it's like by the way it's today hey we didn't do kidish we didn't have a Kaos we didn't dve in yeah had had cus we cus more than seven different yeah different different kind of a cuos um but really like all a sudden we like understood like what we went through that day and and we had like these few minutes to relax when they say to relax say relax shooting at you yeah one side of that on the other side shooting things are nice and calm now yeah that's what it was he was just booming the a every every second um and all sudden his this guy's Commander comes to us and he says listen there's a police that's dead here in the street from 10 11:00 in the morning could you help us take him like we can't go cuz every time someone goes to together him they start truthing J so maybe you guys could go cuz you're not like a central Personnel we need all the soldiers and policemen but you guys see how you do no you said you have the stretcher maybe like it's going to be much easier to do with the stretcher cuz it's much easier I would say here borrow the stretcher let me know how it goes oh wait here I've got another stretcher don't worry about it help yourself so we tell them of course cuz of course um and they told us wait one second and just two people went behind this car and they started giving uh yeah covering fire towards the police station and we ran with two soldiers to to this policeman's body we put them on the stretcher we ran back was 10 seconds 12 seconds maybe well you weren't going to take him out in the ambulance um we put him in the ambulance and we drove right to the entrance of and we put him near the other Soldier we put in the morning um who was still there who was still there of course um all the bodies were taken Sunday Sunday Sunday Monday yeah I know my son-in-law went in there was still plenty of BU everywhere yeah um and and after we when when we got there while we were dropping him off uh while we were taking him off like the stretcher and putting them over there then of course another car came with two two people who were injured one of them was shot in his stomach hiding for 12 hours um till they were able to get to him um and we took him us to United helicopter who took him to the hospital um his helicopters yeah two of them uh they were the first ones to to start taking injured people to the hospital the Army would have some like medical yeah they they did at that point at night there was also what about during the day you can't ask questions I have no idea I don't know so they no one knows so now it's it's already what :00 at night now it's around 8 8 8 something yeah um and you take these two people we take these two people out to to and when we get to um there was a helicopter and there's room in the helicopter for two patients um there was one soldier that was inside already and there was room for one more um and when we got when we got there we said okay like he's going to the helicopter for sure uh he was still conscious but he was he needed the helicopter um and while the while the United doctor comes and checks him to see if he wants to give him medicine like right before they put him in a helicopter or something well s another ambulance comes with a soldier that's unconscious um so I understand that our patient is going to need to go in a regular ambulance um so I say okay and the doctor runs to the other ambulance to check the other patient and he comes to me and he says have okay take your patient to the helicopter so look like you're the doctor we do what you say but like you're sure so he tells me of course I said like why so he says your patient has much more chances to survive and and and that's the decisions we need to make that day like that's the it was the right decision and it's decision he he just drove to the hospital they're both alive today but the the other guy that went with the ambulance is still in the hospital and he's he's still unconscious but he's still alive um it's a really hard decision that the doctor made but but that's what it was that's what we you had to make the decision the decision and and it was the right one so you had to drive to the hospital no we we no our patient went to the helicopter and the other UL when you have ambulance yeah one of them went with a ambulance one of them was just shot in his hand so I guess if you had shot in both your legs and you can run back and forth then getting shot in your hand is like only days work you could wait here till there's like four or five of you and then we'll take an ambulance to take you to the hospital cuz it's like a Shero when you come back from the airport yeah it's like a VIP Taxi you know I've been shot yeah we're waiting to fill up uh we got room for three more so I'm not going yet you know I'm not going with a half full shot that's what it was yeah unbelievable so so now you go back to stot um after this we drive back to karaza back to karaza yeah which is still shooting up are they still shooting in St they're still shooting in STO they're still shooting in farza they're still shooting ridiculous they they were hundreds they they just didn't stop coming um I think like through the through the I try sometimes to think about a different way because I say like through this whole day there were over 3,000 terrorists that came in from Gaza and there were 12 and a half 100 people that were killed it's every two of them killed less than one it's I with how much ammo they came in like each one came in to kill at least 30 people like if you look D it was supposed to be much more than a few thousand right they came in 3,000 like you're going to say each one is going to kill two three at least they came in with Ammo To Kill 30 but two three at least that's 6 7 8 9 10,000 and it's it's 1,200 it's the numbers the D that he don't don't get together also by the Nova Festival like I look at it there was 3 and a half th000 people there all waiting on the Gaza Strip and there were 350 people killed it's one out of 10 it's how is that possible it's crazy if you look at it that way then you understand that really Hashem was was here every single second every single bullet knew exactly where it's going to um it's crazy also like the stories people people are telling us through the day it's I know this fellow who came from South Africa and he was in town when a terrorist attack took place and you know he was he was injured had trapped knowing him so people said are you afraid now to live in Israel and he says no because I know from South Africa he was in the South African Army you know he says every bullet has has a name on it and you know where you're going to go and what's going to be so you could see you see there's 10 friends just running in a field and some got giant and like it's I how anybody made it out like why I mean there were enough terrorists to be able to get right especially here you're in a big open field I understand you could hide in a garbage can you could hide over there you can go into but like how it was a big Middle Field where you supposed to go it's it's it's crazy it's it's one outa every 10 was killed it's D it's nothing it's it's hard cuz each one of them has a story and has a family and has a uh a story behind him each one was a person but but if you look at the numbers it was supposed to be so much more so you're back TOA uh we're back toar at night we wait there at that point we see when we get there back we weren't over there for like two hours cuz we had the whole thing around stot until we went to the hospital and left so so at that point we see that there's so much Army already by the entrance so many jeeps and soldiers that are going in you don't think they need you we think at that point that they're probably not going to need us over there anymore cuz we saw also that different ambulances uh were waiting there we saw like three four ambulances waiting there so we continue to ambulances yeah sell ambulance do you guys were the only ones who were there yeah did the government say anything to you guys afterwards yeah what did they say why did you why why did you send the helicopters even though you were in all that's what they said yeah and they didn't say to you wow you got out there first before our ambulance we're the only organization that doesn't owe nothing to anyone and no one said wow you guys deserve citations for bravery and for going out there they like the sold that were there and the civilians that were there who Su us everyone told us like wow K that you're going in um but like we people of course like private people come and say thank you and how could how could the people in charge not recognize that you were the only ones there you're the only ambulances there saving people whoever needs to know knows really the truth and he knows oh I understand why because otherwise they have to say how come we didn't send any ambulances and we didn't send any helicopters and a bunch of uh schmears and barrels over here from hola on some have to come out with their ambulances and go and save everybody some ambulance system is the only ones fighting in the South I see where that might not fit into their narrative right um but yeah that's the that's what it was again uh I can't go and ask questions anyone I'm not media reached out to you afterwards yeah how soon after um they did this whole big TV show uh 3 weeks after October 7th uh the second they heard that we had it's in udda it's it wasn't rash one of the big channels it's on it's very very big it's like the almost butus isn't that like the rightwing channel no it's the left oh it is yeah wow that's the most viewed show in Israel that what the show that they did about us um it had a million of views and so many people reached out to us after um thank you we were looking for you thank you for getting us say out some called us that we took uh care of their parents or their brothers or their sisters or their kids um and did these are secular people interviewing you and their attitude is called kavod or yeah who told you you could go there who told me I could go there know I'm saying you know like there was a guy during the second anada there was a briefcase filled with explosives that somebody left to May and it was attached to a phone so that when the phone rang it would blow up and the guy happened to notice it so he pulled out the wire so when the phone rang it nothing happened yeah and I understand he was taken in for tampering with a bomb unauthorized tampering with bomb it sounds like ARR you know so these people at least in the program they recognize what you guys did yeah you know um people know that they use the footage from the ambulance yeah it's uh it's an amazing uh it's a it's a they did something really really nice um and by today I'm while I'm trying to get back to work to the weddings and to the DJ jobs um besides that I I continue go or all over the world and I try to say our story because I think it's not only my story I think it's the whole Amel story and I think it's very important that other people should hear it um and know what what we went through that day um so what time did you finish now this is uh we got home at 1 o00 Saturday night we got home around 1 o' we left there around uh 11 something uh was there anybody in charge who said okay you guys go now or this was completely up to you you you basically it wasn't there people in charge it wasn't the Army was it was to you to make the decision to to he couldn't stop us to say no stay here we need you um he knew that when we want to leave we're just going to leave cuz we it's been going non-stop yeah and we we left when we saw that really there's enough ambulances in the areas that needed ambulances um we went home we took a shower we went to sleep for 3 4 hours and we were back south at 7:00 in the morning and the next day which this is Sunday now yeah Sunday we still took uh a few hundred people but it wasn't like that were it wasn't like the day before though there was a lot of already uh at that point we were near the Nova Festival bar farza how bad was Barry very bad um stillmore they were still fighting but again it wasn't like the day before like they were hiding and every few hours sometimes like someone uh uh jumped out from where he was hiding and started shoothing but it was there was already a lot of army there and everything was like he went to the no FAL and there were injured people any place not not not a lot yeah um at that that day we took uh two or three injures uh civilians that were shot all a sudden from terrorist that came out in even um Terrors that were like hiding in this trees or something for a few hours and just like jump the day after when they saw civilian walking there they just started shooting them um and some soldiers um we're again we were there the whole day um Monday we were giving out food to all the soldiers in karaza we went to buy uh we we saw that they didn't have what to eat so we went and we bought 800 two days later they weren't able to get food for the no it was it was really my son-in-law said the same thing when he was there he it was really amazing and we had really big because I remember that Sunday we went in the morning we bought 800 hot meals from where uh from a friend that has a store in your um we bought a who give him a shout out um his name is Nim he doesn't own it he works it so which store is this it's a they make uh food for for like isas and stuff like that it's not a like a store that he sells food um so we we ordered from him 800 hot meals um that were ready the day after and we took it down to karaza and right when we got there all the soldiers that were in karaza that it was 720 something soldiers at that point they all came out and 720 new different ones went in so who got the food the one coming out or the one coming in out all the guys that were coming out they came out they were they were just bunch of there's just an amon's wedding there with exactly enough hot meals exactly and every single one of them got a hot meal people told us that they didn't eat hot food from Friday night from their meal at home on Friday and like 7:00 in the morning shabas they left and they didn't have normal food um and they were so happy and that and nobody said Yeshiva food this is what you're giving us no they really really happy uh to eat and well just every single one of them they came out and they were going on to buses that took them back to their base so just every single one who went on the bus we just gave them straight uh hot food teeth on the way home on the way to their base and before they went into Gaza a week later um you have enough room in an ambulance for 800 hot meals yep um we put it boxes eight wounded people put in 800 meals yeah he he closed it really really good and box still warm yeah it was was really really hot still um and there was 800 meals we bought a lot of drinks and uh apples and peers and just gave it all out there and they were really really happy um Wednesday we were in karaza going through all the houses together with the arm me to take out bodies and uh and to help them with whatever they needed um this first how come hatsa is still there why isn't the Army taking over this is Wednesday now why aren't they in charge they they did take they did take over um it's not that they needed us I think I think we were there so we were just helping uh they could have do the same thing I think without was without us um but we there so like why not to help um Wednesday though there's no wounded anymore now it's just collecting the dead collecting the dead and and I remember Thursday morning we we left the house and we decided we're going to go this uh first Soldier we took the dead soldier we took from the from rout 34 with his M16 yeah right at the beginning yeah so we still there no we went to be's family he was one of the first bodies taken care of and his Lev was already Tuesday he lived where he lived in no he lived in uh Rishon I think it was so what was he doing in St Road he left his house the second he heard something's going on um and he was yeah he was on the way he was on the way to his base um and we sat with his with his wife and with his parents he was 20 years old he was married for three 3 months uh his wife was pregnant she just had a small baby boy few months ago um they gave us this whole really nice book that they put out about uh about him his name is Amit um and and today we understand why we had that feeling that we can't leave we found him we want to leave but we took about yeah I told the family were very very happy that we we did did it um and they they started telling us stories about them and that I think that that's why we all a sudden understood why we had that feeling that we can't leave him there he was really like a a very big tadic he used to wake up every shabas for night and go Davin he was a really really special guy a firm guy he was a firm guy and you didn't know that he didn't know that um and really after they told the stories we we understand why we had that feeling that second that we can't leave him there cuz and I I till today like he was the first body that was taken care of already at 12:00 um there was people a few Mets from him that were in the same right position till Monday morning even um so really he was the the first guy to be taken care of and and with that kind of heat it's probably not good for the bodies it's not good at all yeah um I mean the kind time you came around to start collecting on on Monday and Tuesday I mean it must have been it was uh yeah there was was bad already um the main roads uh there was really people that took uh Sunday Monday um Sunday and Monday they took from all the like main roads and uh big places and Barry was Tuesday Kar Kara was only Wednesday was the last places was the last yeah till till Wednesday uh no one was allowed to go and to get bu yet even like all the the fighting stopped Wednesday yeah Wednesday Wednesday afternoon already everything was uh basically finished there um yeah and then Thursday we went to be this uh so that was it you didn't have to go back down anymore on Thursday no from then no but M shabas we went uh North so this whole day when you're running back and forth you didn't run out of equipment um the truth is that y sent already 10:00 in the morning 10 30 about uh arrived by two very big trucks full of trauma kits IVs just everything is the one sending the medical supplies yeah and every time we went back to Tom we took with us a few boxes of equipment um and we gave them to soldiers by the entrance toaza or doctors that were going in and you were the only ones with medical equipment there was nobody else around yeah basically all right so by when Wednesday you all done oh so Moi shabas you said you went back yeah Moi shabas we went North we thought that Uh something's going to happen over there but it did it did it did star the star we we did take uh two soldiers that were injured over there but it was not much we were there like uh for four or five days but they didn't really need us there up north uh we were on the border basically we said hello tobah um well you should have been saying goodbye because yeah you could have just paged them you know what I mean but yeah that that's what it was and uh the week after we started getting back to work and try to get back to ourselves so I mean how do you get over something like this uh you don't do they do they offer you some kind of like yeah of course you that I think has management therapy something they do they give you everything you need uh therapy every person who's there needs therapy um I always say that if I wasn't going to believe in Hashem I was going to jump out the window Sunday morning um you can't see what you see and uh wake up the same thing in the morning in other words besides the people the injured people who are bleeding all over the place you're driving past hundreds of dead bodies yeah you know the whole day back and forth yeah and they just they just started shooting up all the cars and everything you know the people were driving they that's what they did that's what they came to do they came to kill us um but we're still here it's interesting because Bay is secular karaza is secular what were the other places that were hit very bad those were the two most uh bad places it was a little different there was uh army bases that were really bad uh Nal seem cuz I don't know where there was my my son-in-law said that when he was you know they sent him in to collect the bodies and he said normally I'm I'm on the battlefield and I'm collecting the people who got killed on the battlefield that's my job and uh he says okay so you're dealing with soldiers and your in Wartime he says but here I'm walking into a house and the table is set for shabas you know I mean and you see everything all set up and it's it's shabas and everybody's dead you know that's what it was you see houses that family like the whole family is dead and the Suka is still outside was right after sukus um it's pictures that you can't forget it's stuff that you go to sleep with them till today and wake with them you wake up in the morning with those pictures doesn't leave you you can't forget them um but they always feel that like Hashem gives us the strength to to be there and do do we did then he also give us the strength to to continue and be good in what we're doing it's not it's not easy stuff it's uh even me before that I saw I saw hard stuff I did CPR and my friends baby on the shabas table near the kalus it's pictures you can't forget somebody told I was in myone I did their CPR on four people it's somebody told me if you do pictures you can't forget if you do CPR right you end up breaking the ribs uh you can't really do CPR unless you break the ribs because you have to no it's not it's not right um the right way to do CPR is to stop a second a millimeter before you break the ribs um but almost every CPR you break rips uh it's part of the doing CPR um it happens a lot um but it happens um and the the stuff you see as an EMT it's not easy stuff it's uh and it's stuff ASO that built you to built you on but October 7th was different I also the the way that people were shot and the way everything and also the amount of people it's what do you mean the way they were shot it's the the terrorists almost everyone after they shot them they just pulled them out of the car just you should see that something what what what was the I don't know why they did it but I when you come and see it like that when you come and near every single car you see two three bodies it's it's much it's a much harder scene um I believe some of them they wanted to kidnap I don't know I don't want to think like they were thinking that day I I I definitely heard there were stories of where they after they killed them they mutilated the bodies right you saw some of that too um not in my eyes but I saw a lot of burnt bodies I saw it's pictures you kind I have good friends that saw saw they I heard from firsthand not from uh they were there were burning down houses you mentioned right so you saw any of these houses like being burned of course yeah of course you have nothing to do at that point there's this H this house is burning for few hours already you know that there's no one to save you don't have time to start trying to turn this fire off and trying to look for people because at this time you could go save others no the safe rooms don't sound like they were too safe what they did the mamad is basically it's built for if a missile falls near you then you you are going to stay safe it does that very well but if a terrorist come there's no lock on the mad you just close the door very hard and and that's it so if a terrorist come and just opens the door and comes in that's mad is not going to help much um and that's what they did CU they all got there so some people were able to really lock this lock their madim um but what the terorist did if it was locked and they weren't able to open it uh they just started burning it from the outside um so the second they started burning it people had no they couldn't breathe so they open the window a tiny bit and the second they open the window then the terrorist coming from the window so that's what have you gone back to these communities yeah uh I go a lot to to speak a lot of times I want too back to these places to speak like since since the whole thing is over have you gone to barer yeah um I remember about three weeks after October 7th um I was on the way to uh army base to I was on the way to a few soldiers before they were going into Gaza I was with all my DJ equipment we were on the way we did for them we wanted to make supper for them to make them a little happy before they go into Gaza so I'm driving I'm alone in my car with music my car is full of equipment and all a sudden I find myself on one of the roads I was driving three weeks before um and all of a sudden like everything came back to me um it's the first time I cried after something I saw because of something I saw um I just stopped on the side and I was crying like a baby for an hour um but I feel that it helped me so much it it led a lot out of me um so after we went to the base um I felt that it did so so good for me so I drove back from there and of course nothing happened but and you've gone back to I got back to and bar I was I was there I go a lot to speak for all different uh people who come to Israel and want to hear um so a lot of times they go to karaza and to where the people still living in karaza now know now is empty be right but there's a lot of people that are that want to see what we went through and want to see what happened um so a lot of people groups or whatever that come here so I I go with them back there and I show them what we went through where we drove you take groups yeah um and I think it's part of my my to say over my hour story um I see the impact it gives to people and the I see what it does the people that all of a sudden they understand what we went through that day um so I think I have to understand it I I I I think that even if we speak here for another year I'm not going to be able to can't wrap my head to really explain the the the smell over there and the the pictures that you see stuff you can't explain you can't you just can't but but but you could give trying to also picture this this hostage Caravan that they're taking away down there I don't know nobody saw it you know they the soldiers or anything like that to to try to intervene every single person there that was working was working alone there was nothing that was no coordination no coordination everyone came and just did what he thought the right thing to do is till 10:00 at night that then slowly slowly commanders came and people started working together um but till then just every single person just went and did what he thought the right thing is there's so many people that did so many big things um and I think that that also was was something that the terrorists that came in weren't ready for that the second they're going to come in just every single every every person who has a gun at home and heard what's happening drove there and they weren't ready for that um and I think that that that that's the story of Amel I don't seems to me that if some guy's coming at me with a gun and I've got an RPG you know what I mean I'm not going to be so afraid of him you are unless he's a sharp Su shooter you know um the missiles unbelievable I was I was heing uh in harova we see all the missiles coming you know my my kids living in be ches they happen to have been raat bees they happen to be by me fan but missile fell right on their street you know yeah it's something that you're not prepared for you're not ready for it and that's why it's more it's maybe even a little more scary because of that but today what we're going through is not much better you know like there's missiles every single day hundreds of them um but now we're we wake up in the morning and we know it's going to happen so it's not that scary I guess um of course it's it's different cuz then there were terrorists running between us but I think that we we need to say thank you that we're here and continue doing good stuff so now you back to your regular H Hotel calls dealing with broken legs and uh you know cut fingers and yeah and uh how how's the ambulance working hard no I'm saying able to fix it up if you smash through the gate and have all the all the mess the back and everything they clean it up I think I think they're going to give ABI the driver a new one they just got three new ones so he's I think he's one of the people that are going to get a new one too when he get when he goes on his next shift they're going to let him have one of the new ones yeah yeah I'm a lot more hesitant now to go in an ambulance when I hear about you know what goes on in them you they have to be there all right so that's the message the message is that every single person has an opportunity where they have to make a decision if they're going to stand up and uh there's nobody to tell you what we're all going to stand up each one has his different way to do that yeah mine is an ambulance other people are to D in other people are to go down with their gun and shoot terrorist and each one each one has his his way of doing his thing I'm thinking of all the other ambulances that did not go in that was standing there till 3:00 because uh you know I mean you just decided to break the rules if were going to get shot then they were going to be very happy that they they stay see they got killed we we we did right so each time you came back they were like doing it they're still okay no they were happy to see us no because listen you know everybody has to make that decision right it's a hard decision they made the right decision you made the wrong decision there's still people that right irresponsible you were Reckless they were smartp told them do not go into a war zone you're just a bunch of K guys who drive in a ambulance you have no idea what you're doing and you were like no cuz it's it's real some pretty tough gigs as a DJ okay so no really like the first thing you learned in a in an EMT course is first of all you your safety when you get to a car accident if it's not if you can if it's not safety for you to get out of your car and take care of the injured people over there then wait in your car till a police car comes and stops the cars from zooming on 100 miles per hour cuz if you're going to get hit while you're treating someone else it's not worth it and it's correct it's the right way to think you can't think other ways you way is what have you flown anywhere yeah I went to Paris to speak and I'm coming to the US November hopefully no in English um December I'm going to London and and yeah I'm I'm happy and it does good also for me when you're on an airplane the first thing they tell you is if you're traveling with another passenger always put on your mask first before putting on the person accompanying you because you pass out you're not going to do them any good so that's why when you go to a scene of an accident the first thing you have to do is my son-in-law tells me I say you know like some some uh you know truck gets blown up and there's you know he's got to go in there collect the bodies and I said you're going into Gaza to collect the bodies from this this truck that got blown up aren't you afraid they going start shooting at you and he says before they bring us in they build a perimeter around the the scene they they put up things and then they they secure the area before we go in because we're just there to collect the debt we we're not you know right and in fact when he went to elifa hospital he said uh the the you know the elite troops who were there they said your job's harder than ours you know because you got to go and I I see I have a really really good friend that his brother was killed on October 7th and one day I was talking to him for a few hours and he was telling me that it's so hard to lose his brother and I told him like and all a sudden he says Hey like what you went through I can't do that and sudden I realized that if I was going to go with he's going through I was going to jump off the roof right so each one has his Nanos and his way to to to to go through his hard stuff that he's going through and each one has the right way and has a good way and each one goes through it a different way I'm trying to picture the guy shot in both legs hiding behind the garbage can listening to the Hamas terrorists talking on their phones and then runs to the gate collaps I'll show you the video and and then and then you say sorry can't help you now come back later and he's like no problem and he he didn't say no problem but we told him we're really really sorry but we promised you were going to come back so he just stands back up while he was laying down on the floor so he just stands back up and he runs back I can't understand that I also can't but that's what it was well I can't understand what you were doing either so uh I I have a general policy that I try to stay out of War zones um because I'm not very talented when it comes to these kind of things you know when I first came to Israel so after three years they were supposed to call you up uh to draft you and uh they didn't call me so I went down and I said you know I've been here for three years I'm waiting for my C to the Army and they said please go home and I said no no I I I I want to serve my country they said you don't have the military profile that way you can help anybody you would make a fine victim but you're not really in a position to help anybody just go home you know I said but you could put me in the educational core you know I could do that class something like that and they were like yeah go home don't hurt yourself on the way out you know what I mean so uh you know but you see people who go into these kind of situations and like I say some you know in uh and and many times you know the Medics are in the worst position because like they're wearing the like white helmet with a big red you know symbol on it and like that makes a great Target and Medics are very often the ones being picked off you know so uh Co who H so the whole day we felt that there was a m around us um it's not today sometimes I tell my story to people and they say like how are you alive and I say hey that's a good question I don't know and and it's really what we felt that day that that that Hashem was with us and he knew exactly he was our guide that day and uh and we had this to to to help other people that needed our help that day we had the to be part of this day that we're going to never forget it's it's an amazing thing I you hear this from a lot of different people hoca survivors and you say how did you survive that like what you were going through you you can't understand it you can't explain it you can't and I remember I asked bitki zel who was young of new park for many years and I said how come during World War II you know like you guys weren't demonstrating in the streets and next thing he says you don't understand you weren't there you don't understand he says he says the number one Radio Show in America was his father Conlin who just had a whole hour of anti-Semitic rants you know what I mean he says you never walked into a neighborhood where it said no Jews allowed you never saw off you know buildings said no Jews because we we were scared for ourselves you don't understand you know and there's a lot of things that we live today where we just don't understand you know um and that's why uh these people who like take down statues of you know of of the American founders of they had slaves said everybody had slaves what are you talking about you know I mean and uh you know you think you're so much smarter because you lived in a different time you know and so um people never know what they'll do in a situation until they find themselves there and then you have to make that decision you know and uh sometimes it's the right decision sometimes the wrong decision you just don't know you have to you have no choice you know uh I was I on a much simpler level I was I was one a uh uh shabbaton and I was the only rinic figure there and uh you know I have a y which means when somebody shows me a shil on the I said put it in a pot of chicken soup and I'll tell you what to do with it because I you know I I that's all I really know you know anyway there was a in the we weren't sure if it was good or not and I had the paskin I had no idea so I did the best that I could turned out was right but uh but you know sometimes you find yourself in a situation you're the only one there and you have to figure out how you're going to handle the situation so your your moment came and you stood up and uh and you stood up to the uh to the challenge and uh that's it no one can ever take that away from you and I can only uh pray to God that you never find yourself having to make those kind of decisions again although if you're inah I guess you're constantly being faced with life and death decisions be tomorrow going to be by the B mikash yeah I'll come with my DJ and yeah yeah yeah and uh and uh I'll still have trouble walking up the steps I'll help you so no stretches okay because I don't know where they've been coote well thank you so much this uh this has been uh unbelievable uh insight for those of us who have only been 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