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Hi, this is David Alamowski with
question and answer shorts.
Loenstein asks if Judaism is so into why
do we have public mikviz?
So this is a very good question. I'm
first going to go on the other side.
There were women who came from Europe to
America
and they didn't keep
because they said my mother never did
that.
I never went, my mother never went to
the mikvah
because they were so sua about it that
nobody knew about it and they were young
when they came across and they never
learned. They didn't even know there was
such a thing as mikvah such a thing as
tisb.
So you have to be careful when it comes
to not talking about certain things
because you can create uh an atmosphere
about it. So um I was teaching in a
particular base Yakov
and uh one of the highlights of my
course that I did there was on you know
shid in marriage
and I had a series that I would go
through right first I would explain uh
women's role in Judaism because I said
you know marriage is between a man and a
woman so you have to understand what a
man is and what a woman is. Yeah. And
then I would talk about Sneas. And then
I would talk about platonic
relationships. And then I would get down
to the nitty-gritty of dating and
deciding what you want to marry to it.
And every year there would be certain
girls who would complain to the
head of the of the school that they
didn't want to hear about these things.
They found it offensive, whatever it
was. And he said, "No problem. You're
not required to take his class. Just
don't go to his class." And the other
girls told their friends about this
course because they said this is the
most effective thing that I did in two
years of uh of of seminary because
nobody teaches us what to look for in a
boy, how to decide how to get married,
what we're supposed to do on a date, how
we're supposed to be engaged, what was
the woman married. He he got into all
the nitty-gritty and explained things.
So at one point they brought in this
woman who was like a mashki to supervise
everything. And so one girl after I gave
a class on sneez was upset and instead
of going to the manahel went to this
lady and the lady told me in no
uncertain terms stop this course.
So I came in the next uh class I taught
about something else. I came next about
something else and someone said what
happened? We were in the middle of doing
the shidim and I said I can't do it
anymore because I'm in an unsafe
environment because someone in this room
instead of having the decency to come
and speak to me or to speak to them in a
decided to rat on me to the mashki who
has now answered me from discussing
these things and the girl said but my
friends told me that this was the most
important thing she got out of two years
of seminary and I said it is and they
said we're losing out and I said you are
and if you could find who this person is
You should tell them that they destroyed
a very important
aspect of your life. At the end of the
year, I wasn't rehired,
but first the Mashka had a conversation
with me at the end of the year and she
said, "Men don't talk about these
things. And if we do talk about sneers,
we never mention boys.
We don't talk about that. We talk about
Kadusha and
Basel Panima."
And I said, "You know what? you're
involved in a very very fascin
and they dress terribly.
And she said to me, "You're right." I
said, "So what you're doing is not
effective and what I do is effective."
And she said to me, "You're right." But
that's our misora.
So why should we be effective when we've
always done it this way?
So if you keep such sneers about
terrorism that people don't even know
about it and the end result you may be
doing more damage than good. I
understand not advertising about it. Uh
well I have eight daughters. There's a
big difference between girls and boys.
You know my girls know when my wife is
pregnant
a day after conception. They already
know that she's pregnant. I don't know
how they know it. They just know it.
Girls know these things.
Yeah. Um
my wife's sister who has boys had mostly
boys, they didn't know she was pregnant
until she was on the way to the hospital
to have the baby. I mean, they just boys
don't pick up on these things, you know.
So, of course, my wife was always very
circumspect about coming to the going to
the mikvah. I would always come up with
some story. And my wife is a terrible
liar. That's one thing I have not given
her over the years.
She's just honest to a fault, you know.
So, I try to make up a story, but she
repeats it over in like a loud voice
like, "Okay, I'm going now to my
Anyway, but we assumed that we were
doing a pretty good job until my
daughters got married and somehow it
came up and they said, "Yeah, we always
knew when you were going to the mikvah.
You always had this one bag that you
took with you, so we always knew it was
the mikvah."
So, you know, so you of course don't
advertise it, but by the same token, you
don't have to hide it. So, um, if you're
have enough money to build your own
mikvah, which is one of my dreams, I
want to be able to make my own mikvah
and I don't like people. There's
something about, you know, when I start
going to the mikvah, you know, you know
where when you're a little kid, you have
those nightmares where you come to
school in your underwear. After going to
the mikvah here in Israel, which is much
more of a public affair, I don't have
those dreams anymore.
That's already good. If I'm wearing my
underwear, I feel good.
So, by men, it's this giant communal
experience. It's like really uh I don't
know. I feel very uncomfortable with the
whole thing, you know, but you get used
to it, you know, but everyone knows that
there's a mikvah. Given the choice
between building a mikvah and a shul,
you build a mikvah. It's essential for
the community. So, if you're rich enough
to make your own mikvah and nobody ever
even knows that there is a mikvah,
but we're not rich enough. Having said
that, you tried to put it in a private
place where it's not going to be in a
hightraic area where there's not going
to be a lot of people coming and going
and watching everyone going. My uh my
son who lives in Ramad Gimmel says when
they built the mikvah, they built it on
a street that was a dead end and every
man on that street had to walk past the
mikvah just to get off his street.
And so they petitioned the area to build
some staircases further down so that
people could walk up to the next street
without having to walk past the mikvah.
So yeah, you don't want to keep a roster
of who's coming. We don't want to have
to have, you know, that be the
conversation of the town, but uh neither
do we have the funds to be able to uh,
you know, build a secret mikvah or to
have everybody build their own mikvah.
just it's just prohibitive. But if you
want to build your own mikvah and you
have the funds to do it, mva manoy and
if you do, you know, and it's innov
uh sharing it with anyone else cuz it
leads to embarrassing situations, men
just go communally, you know. Uh I was
uh
taking my shower before the mikvah and
somebody comes over and says you know
you never paid me for the shakas we said
with mash shapiro and I said I've said
this before but never with as much
kavana I have nothing on me so uh I was
I was at a disadvantage
and I came out of the mikvah and I was
and I was getting dressed and some guy
came over to yell at me he didn't like
the way I was dotting and shul And I was
my I'm standing there, you know,
half-dressed and I'm thinking, you don't
see a problem with this? You don't have
that much decency in you. So, yeah.
Yeah, we're as a community, we need a
mikvah. We need to know there is a
mikvah. We need to support the mikvah,
but we don't have to be involved in
everybody's individual
uh activities that go on in the mikvah.
I remember after I had my uh heart
surgery, so I went for the posttop
meeting and he says, you know, you can't
go swimming, you can't take a bath, you
can't go to the mikvah. I said, "Can I
go if I don't go in the water?"
So he says, "Uh, guess so. Why?" I said,
"Just for the experience." You know,
people get together, they talk, you get
all the news at the mikvah. You know,
uh, for one thing I never understood as
Arab Shabas, they sell dips at the
mikvah. I mean, how many times are you
gonna dip? I mean, that that seems like
double dipping to me. But anyway, so it
is quite an experience. If you ever have
the opportunity, if you're a man, go to
the bells of Mikvah, the gigantic bells
in your maka there. It's open almost
till Shabas. They have flowers, they
have prepared food, they have uh, you
know, that whatever you want, they've
got there. It's one of the greatest
experiences. you go to the mikvah, you
come and do your shopping or you do your
shopping and you take it to the mika,
whatever you want to do. It's really
quite an experience and uh you know um
obviously it's something that is
supposed to be private for the
individual but not for the community as
a whole.
This has been Davidski with our question
and answer shorts.