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Great Literature (Ep. 293)
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Hi, this is David Alowski and welcome
back to the Rabbi Alowski Show.
And whether you're watching with our
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I guess it misares give people a uh
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few people who tell me they only call up
to any time has an option for calling up
and they said that we don't have the
internet you know but we call up and we
hear it on the phone and uh and we'll
see that we're on a number of other
platforms. Yeah. So uh that's our
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maze. I I don't know who you are or your
sister is and but I do know Schmully
love your sister who listens to Rabi
Alowski on the 246 app. So there you go.
We're another another location where we
are and I haven't done this in a while.
Don't forget to like, share, subscribe,
and comment. Apparently on some
platforms that helps the algorithm. I
don't really know what an algorithm is.
I'll tell you the truth. I know we did
this in high school, algorithms, but I
don't know what they are. Apparently,
there's something that uh Google uses
and certain other platforms use to be
able to control who sees what. I don't
think toing time has a an algorithm. I'm
not really sure. But anyway, uh but uh
we want uh we want people to be able to
uh hear about it. And like I mentioned,
we started doing, you know, little
shorts even just to advertise the
podcast because why shouldn't more
people enjoy it? That's the idea. If
we're doing it anyway, I'm sitting there
anyway. I'm talking to you anyway. We
have these um uh exceptional uh
programs. That's that's the only thing I
can say in my opinion. I I said to
somebody,
uh, I think there are so many loyal fans
here because,
um, nobody does what we do. Nobody. You
can get a straight Torah podcast. You
can get um, things that'll just sus, but
to be able to present things in a Torah
dick fashion that hopefully will be
entertaining is very meaningful. And in
fact, I got a comment
that was forwarded to me by my producer.
I look forward all week for the new
podcast to come out. Thank you so much
for giving us all. I appreciate your
frankness about the various topics.
Yeah,
I had somebody said to me once, he goes,
"Every now and then when you're
speaking, I see you sort of like stop
and try to decide whether this is
appropriate. And regardless, you say it
anyway. So I don't even know why you
even go through that process. Yeah. Um
uh I definitely qualify as a Rabiolki
crazy. I find myself quoting Rabiowski
quite often. It is scary. It's scary
thing. I was just telling this to my
wife the other day. I I have met in the
recent weeks a dozen people who know
everything I have ever said and they can
quote it back to me verbatim. I start a
line and they finish it for me. Yeah,
Hashem should bench you with many more
healthy years of being
for when you get flag it shows you're
doing something great because the Sultan
is trying to get in the way. So uh so
thank you so much for that beautiful
beautiful comment. Um and uh I guess
maybe just a little uh housekeeping
before we start. I have started a new
policy and I'll explain to you the
policy. Yeah.
Um, as you know, I have never been a fan
of from media. Uh, I I find that
whatever standard they are using to make
decisions as to what is Mut and user to
say makes no sense to me. When I see
from publications putting out an article
attacking a Torah personality, it it's
it's just evil. Yeah. When they don't do
it, they allow people in the letter to
the editor column to attack
and other people, just average folks. I
told you that I, you know, I was sort of
writing for a publication and someone
wrote in a letter and attacked me. They
didn't understand what I saidl and no
one told me about it or gave me a chance
to respond and it was just out there
this this ridiculous attack on me that
made absolutely no sense. But not
everybody's mad can do it. They just
see, oh, you know, oh yeah, Rabowski,
blah blah blah. You know what I mean?
So, uh, I I think that is horrendous.
There is no reason for it. there's no
reason for it. And uh there are a few
what are called um uh from news sites
online
and uh
not all of them um present material that
is appropriate. My daughter told me that
there's some fellow here in
who goes through all the news and
encapsulates it and you can call up and
uh you know gives you a five minute that
he sums up for you in Yiddish I think in
Yiddish or Hebrew I'm not sure all of
the news that you need to know and
that's it. So you're holding you're
holding it. Um but uh but some of these
places you know online and even the
places that are more careful and I'll
mention one by name. Yeshiva World News
which has a reputation of presenting
things in a uh more careful way. They
don't edit the comments and people make
these horrific comments that is
and someone I know said that he went to
them and said why do you do this and he
said that's why people read the website
they go there for the terrible comments
but do you understand the the isuris
that you're being the saying by letting
people make these yucky comments.
Anyway, um
some of the platforms that I'm on allow
you to make comments
and uh
I've never really edited out the
comments. Sometimes when I have a uh
pro- kamas person doing an anti-Jewish
thing, I will delete it. But for the
most part, I haven't really deleted
them. But there are a few people and I
can tell it's just one or two because uh
because most of the people who watch and
listen to me uh have this as a basic
moral parameter. They understand they
have basic morality. You don't say
disgusting things to people. They
understand that. But there's one or two
people who have taken upon themselves to
make Yiki comments about other people.
Sometimes they attack Rabanuish.
Yeah. Terrible. Terrible. Terrible.
Terrible. Yeah. Read what the Rambam
says about that. Yeah. But um uh but
otherwise you have the again one or two
people as far as I can tell who make
nasty comments about other people have
made comments
insulting the people who have made
comments.
So, I finally had enough and I started
uh deleting those comments and uh and I
will not allow it.
So, if you're commenting because you
want to say nasty things about people,
go to another website. Go to World News.
They don't care. They can say any y
thing you want over there and they won't
edit it out. Go write a letter to these
uh to these places that will publish
whatever you say, no matter how
disgusting it is. But stay off of my
websites. Stay off of my platforms
because we have good people who are yer
shayim and who want to have respect for
other Jews. And if you're not one of
them, do me a favor. Go someplace else.
I don't need your business. I don't get
paid for this anyway.
I need your business. You know, it's all
right. I'll have one last view. But stay
off if you're gonna make your y comments
to other people. Okay. You want to
criticize me. I don't mind people who
criticize me. Yeah. Even they do it in a
disgusting fashion like one person does.
But um but uh but you're going to pick
on other people or other abundant or
other people who are commenting. Not on
my watch. That ends that ends now. So uh
like I say, that's just a little public
service announcement. And it used to get
me crazy because you know they say in
education that 90%
of the time are spent on 10% of the
kids. And um and I've found this in uh
in especially when it comes to um uh
when it comes to speaking and to
education this somebody will say to me
people uh people complained that you X
that you whatever it is and I said what
people you know people have commented
how many comments on.
So, one person makes a comment and what
is this? The woke movement. One person
criticizes something and they all go
crazy.
That is why not that I'm a beer drinker.
Um, when I turn 40, I force myself to be
able to drink whiskey. It's not easy. I
never drink whiskey. To me, it tastes
like the old Listerine, you know? It's
good for like an antiseptic, you know. I
don't like the taste. I read the bottle.
It says, "Oh, it has hints of vanilla
and cinnamon." Yeah, you got to drink a
lot of that stuff before you're tasting
cinnamon. Trust me. He's like
cinnamon. You know, forget about it.
It's not there, you know. As opposed to
my go-to wine, which is Baron Herzog
White Zinfendel. And when you have that
chilled, it says on the bottle has
tastes of strawberry and cotton candy. I
can taste those in that wine. Trust me.
Scott, I don't taste anything. You know,
I push myself. I can't get myself to
drink beer cuz to me, beer tastes like
mold. I don't know. There's a difference
between something that has fermented and
something that mammish tastes like. It's
still mold. That's what beer tastes like
to me. But, uh, okay. Listen, I didn't
grow up drinking, you know. Uh I have
many bad habits.
Uh drinking and smoking were about the
only two that I didn't pick up. I can't
say uh doing drugs because every morning
I take a big package of medications. So
I guess I do do drugs. Uh not not
recreationally,
but but those things I remember when I
had my heart attack. You know, they said
the only thing you have going for you is
that you didn't smoke. You know, I eat
unhealthy. I don't exercise like I
should, you know. Um I have uh I I I had
a terrible temper, you know, all kinds
of different things that I promised. But
the only thing I didn't do, I didn't
smoke. I didn't drink. Yeah. So um uh so
that's uh uh so beer doesn't appear to
me. But there is a beer called Bud
Light, which was the most popular light
beer. And
somebody uh the term they use of course
is woke decided to expand the base and
turn against everybody who normally buys
their beer
and put in some trans guy to advertise
their beer and the entire company
collapsed. you know, so now, and I'm not
endorsing it, and I'm sure this story
will never appear on that guy who gives
his news update, but you know, there was
an ad that came out recently uh for
Jeans. Um, it's not anything that we
should know about or be familiar with,
but there were people who were outraged
about this ad and they started
pressuring and the company stood up and
said, "You know what? Go away. I don't
care what you think." and their stock
shot up
because a couple of online bullies it
should not be who what determines how
you make decisions in life and that's
why I'm always amazed when someone says
yes and we've had complaints don't say
this
what complaints people have commented
what one person made a comment or two
people make a comment that should not be
enough to therefore say oh my goodness
is
an
that's a joke that my kids used to tell.
You know, this rabbit goes into a mullet
and says, "Uh,
do you have carrot cake?" I says, "No."
So, he comes back the next day.
Yeah. You have carrot cake? He says,
"Look, four or five days he comes in."
So the mak owner says to his wife, "No,
people are asking." So the next day the
rabbit comes in, he goes,
says,
"It's disgusting, right?"
But the point is, people keep coming in,
you know, and asking for it. So you
assume that's because there's a demand
for it. There's not. And so, um, uh, I
have never really cared what anybody
thinks per se. I've always marched to
the beat of my own drummer. And, uh,
and, uh, you know, I've tried to do what
I think is MS and what I think is right.
And, uh, people who want to be, um, and
disgusting, go someplace else. There
there are places that will appreciate
you. Yeah. They they like you.
We don't I don't want anyone with a bad
attitude. I only have happy campers.
We're going to have fun or else I'll
find you and I'll kill you.
That's not my line. Jackie Mason at the
end of the show cuz I know there are
people here offended. What are you
offended? An old old Jews trying to make
a living and you're offended. Trust me,
if I find anyone who's offended, you
ain't got long to live. I'll track you
down and I'll kill you.
So, uh, you know, like I say, we're just
I I I I just feel like I had to do that
because I was so shocked when I happened
to see that somebody would make a
disgusting comment to somebody who is
part of the Rabbi Olavski show
community. I I it was very interesting.
I came to it's now 36 years. Yeah.
almost it's just almost to the date 36
years that I met Aliyah. I came here
originally to learn for 3 years to
prepare myself for abundance and I was
going to become a shaw rabbi. I I I felt
like I have the skills necessary to make
a good sh rabbi. I um I believe in
building communities. I believe in
building families, building people. You
know, I I think I could have done a very
good job. As it happens, I had a lot of
options here in Erit Stra. So, I never
went back. But, uh, after I lost all of
my jobs through my witten personality
and I really didn't have much to do. So,
somebody that I know reached out to me,
a shul inel
was looking for a r. It was mostly
English speakers and uh, and they would,
the way he put it, he goes, "It would be
such a thrill if you would apply for
this job." And I ignored it as I as I
usually do. And my wife said, "Come on,
you know, you have to do some mistatlas,
you know, you're not doing anything, you
know, so it's the one hour a week you
sit in front of your bookcase and talk,
you know, so you should go for the job."
So I drew up the first resume that I
ever made in my entire life. I never
made a resume. Every job that I had ever
had, I was either
offered or bullied or tricked into
taking, right? I was um I was uh chapter
adviser in Los Angeles. I was tricked
into taking it. Um they offered me
regions around the country. I took Long
Island. They told me afterwards they had
to cover up the phone so I wouldn't hear
them laughing. They had gone through
five directors in two years. There was
only one kid left in the region. There
were no chapters, no offers, no nothing.
And the fact that I was turning down
major regions to take this, they thought
was the biggest joke. But okay, I did
pretty good. And I came to it and when I
taught for discovery, somebody pressured
me into teaching with discovery.
Somebody pressured me to teach in uh in
um in seminary you know and basically
every place that I went you know so uh
when I left or I was waiting for next
position never happened. I was just very
surprised. So I never had a resume. I
never went looking for a job and uh I
forget everybody knows who I am already
but I wrote up my first resume and I
sent it in. It was during COVID so we
had a Zoom interview and everybody
looked like they really liked me and
we're having a good time and then I got
a form letter refusal. Dear candidate,
thank you so much for applying. We
decided to go in a different direction.
Good luck in your future endeavors.
And I wasn't even trying to get the job.
They asked me to apply, you know. So,
someone said to me, they probably wanted
to have the kashivas of saying we turned
down Rabbi Olowski,
Kenzine. I don't know. But, um, I never
had it. So, the closest that I have to a
community is is this podcast, this the
people who are here. And when I meet
people around the world, I was just in
England for uh they're starting project
inspire there and I met so many people
in England who who are big fans what
listen you know to the podcast and uh I
said wow it comes it comes here he goes
yeah the internet goes everywhere in the
world I amazing you know and uh and who
knows who knows you know how many people
and I feel like all of us are united and
that's why um just to give an update uh
the fellow who the manager of the hotel
that I was looking into making my pesak
program said to me I can't talk to you
until l because I'm busy with bes manim
and then we'll talk and I hope we ever
do it because just the idea of getting
and I said I'm only inter I'm only going
to um to uh advertise on my podcast and
my website and that's it. I don't want
any outsiders. I want only uh our people
come together and spend pes. And that's
why someone said to me, you know, you
could probably take a bigger hotel. You
only have 150 rooms. I said, that's all
I want so that I can spend time with
everybody who comes and uh and to be
able to have that cash. That's what I
want. I don't want a thousand uh
thousand people anyway. But um um even
if I could fill it up, I wouldn't want
that. So, um, uh, well, be that as it
may, the point is that I I I think it's
a really nice thing. I I have a chuka
and maybe I'll do this for next year to
maybe see if I can take a hotel for
Shabas Naku someplace in the in the
mountains. I I assume there are still
some hotels over there, you know, and uh
and make something. Assuming that we're
out there, I know you're out there. I
know I can I can track about 25,000 of
you. There might be more but that's from
my numbers I can track 25,000 of you and
uh I it's so interesting you know when I
interviewed two of two of your singer I
told this already I'm sure I mentioned
you know that we have between 20 and
25,000 people and somebody I had a lot
of nasty comments on that one but but
one of them was yeah in your dreams
25,000 I have over 25,000 views just on
YouTube alone besides all my other
platforms but um uh But the but the
point is that it would be a nice thing
for us to be able to get together in
person and not just virtually. But
that's my point. My point is that don't
insult my people. If you you want to
watch the podcast, you want to be part
of the community, that's great, but
don't hurt anybody else. And uh that's
it. I spent much too much time on this,
but uh I thought it was important. So um
what do I want to talk about? you know,
it's bas
and uh
if you're like me where you know, you
retired early, not by choice, you know,
or if you have an actual job or things,
you don't have a benis man. There's no
kinds of benis man. There's usually
people take vacation in the summer, you
know, uh
guy goes for a checkup, the doctor says
to him, you have two weeks to live. He
says, "Oh, and then I'll take the last
week in July and the first week in
August,
you know, take vacation, you know, but a
lot of people don't have that calendar
of the bay manim, but uh you know, since
a lot of our audience are part of the
yeshiva shiva, whether you're actually
in yeshiva or not, you have a certain
sense of banisman. Banisman is a more
relaxed time. As you know, we've had
some podcasts during bay manu where we
talk, you know, about more relaxed ideas
and coming up, I'm going to have my son
Yakov back on to talk about some
interesting things. I don't want to say
in advance, but uh to to do some
different things. So um the podcast
today what I want to talk about is based
on a question that I got once and I
don't know if I ever mentioned even this
question but the question was like this.
I see you quote a lot from literature.
Could you maybe give a rabbi reading
list?
I think that's absolutely fascinating.
Now, a little a little background to
this. Yeah. Um,
obviously,
uh, if you have a choice between
learning Torah and reading a novel,
um, you should learn Tory to. If you
have a choice between learning Tory and
reading a non-fiction book, be it about
history or science, etc., you should
learn Torah. But if you're going to have
some downtime anyway,
then
is reading novels a positive thing to do
or not? I heard Ry France say on a tape
more than once, you know, he gives Shir
during the year and he says it was Ben.
So I got to, you know, I had the time to
be able to read a newspaper. Yeah.
The mach is he does not read newspapers
during this month. He's busy preparing
for his shirum etc. I guess during Ben
when he's a little more relaxed people
people go swimming people uh you know uh
do other recreational activities.
So his rec recreational activities
reading the paper. Now
when I heard this, it had to be 30 35
years ago maybe. When I heard this on a
cassette tape and um there was no
Hamodilla or Yetade or any of these kind
of things. They were just regular
newspapers, you know, and uh you would
read the newspapers to to be able to
keep up. I heard a story, I don't know
if it's true. I'm not pes but I don't
check my sources that they said in tells
they used to tells in Europe mu shabas
they would take out all of the
newspapers and learn upshot in the news
what was happening in the news to get a
mahalak of of how we should be dealing
with things. So uh so there is such a
concept as that but uh the idea is
that's when I have some downtime I read
the newspaper. Yeah. Um,
when I go to America, I buy a copy of
Scientific American and Discover
magazine and I read to keep up with the
latest uh
quasi science. I say quasi science
because they cannot help but inject
politics into this which is uh very
unfortunate. You know in the scientific
America in the back they have story from
50 years ago, 100 years ago and 150
years ago. You never find any of this,
you know, woke nonsense inside of uh
inside of the magazines from many years
ago. But okay. Um
so that's in my bathroom. That's why
that's my re my bathroom thing. Um so
but what about novels?
What we And by when I say novels, I mean
literature.
Literature. So someone told me, someone
that I know who's trustworthy. He says
he once asked Shapiro about um about uh
literature
and he said if you hold that it's
then it's so what does that mean?
Meaning if you say the non-Jews have
made developments in science, in uh in
um uh you know medicine, mathematics,
you can believe that you have to have
the ability to differentiate between
what is actually science and what is
speculative theory.
So when science tells you that the world
is 15 billion years old, they of course
cannot prove that, they have different
evidence that would suggest a theory.
When they tell you that evolution is a
fact, that's not true. It's a theory
used to explain a number of things and
there's many kashes on it. And the
cashes they tend to push to the side and
embrace the theory
um
tremendously. But uh theories are just
that theories that's not science. But if
it's if you can prove it, I remember
when
Mosha Shapiro came out against certain
books that were there to explain how
science basically you know Kazal don't
know anything about science and only
scientists do and basically attacking.
So uh came out very strongly about it
and I wrote me cotton shaktanim wrote a
letter supporting rimish's position and
of course I found myself in the midst of
a firestorm and one guy says well then
how does roofski fly in a plane because
that's experiential you can see whether
or not a plane flies it's not I have a
theory that I can build a faster than
light um spacecraft using quantum
mechanics that can take me to another
galaxy.
When I see it, I'll believe it. You
know, right now that falls under the
category of science fiction. And even
though I was a Treky in the 1960s when
the show first came out. Yeah. And um
and uh I we cannot at this point create
a transporter. Okay. It's just not
there. I cannot beam you down to the
planet surface. It's ridiculous. But uh
you know, so okay, but it's a theory.
Theories are fine, but that's not
science. But if the
timing
So does he say English literature if you
hold it? He didn't say no. He says if
you hold then it's then it's
what does that mean?
So uh when I taught in discovery, one of
the people I had discussive working with
was Rabbi Ari Khan
and we were discussing
giving stories over
and uh and I have a policy that I will
never
uh knowingly say a story that's not
true. Yeah. because um I like to feel
like I have some integrity
and he said to me says you can now I did
not see this from I heard it from Khan
but I consider him to be uh
he says that
says you can make up a story and present
it as if it's true his
everyone knows
the book Job and um uh and all of his
sufferings and everything that happens
to him and the conversations he has with
his friends and God appears to him at
the end. And the question was when did
he live? And the Gmorra discusses all
kinds of different positions. When did
Yo live? Did he live uh during the time
of Mosher Rabenu? Uh did he live you
during the time of Abraham? Did when did
he live? And there's one that says he
never lived. He's just a mush.
So they present an entire book of Tanakh
as if it's MS and it may never have ever
happened. It's just a mush.
So he says, you see from this that you
can present something as true even
though it didn't happen. Uh reminds me
of a line that Ruby Wine likes to say,
all of my stories are true. It's just
some of them haven't happened yet. Yeah,
having said that, he himself is a
historian and I don't believe that he
really says things unless he has some
basis for them. But but that's the point
that he makes, you know, he's telling a
story. I guess what he's trying to say
is, you know, he's not bas and he checks
out all of his sources to make sure that
uh he traces it back to see where it
comes from. But um um literature is a
mushel.
It's there basically to teach us things
in a way that we can understand. Now the
whole idea of a marshall is we make it
in a way that you can grasp it
because you may not understand the
essence. That's why the smartest guy who
ever lived Schlommoik wrote a book
called Mish
Mishim
because he wanted to explain the
greatest depth of Torah
and um he presented it as stories so
that you could get the story and within
the story figure out what was going on
behind the scenes. And that's what a
mushel does.
How many times do you see that in kazal?
What is this like? There was a king,
there was this, there was that. There's
a mush, there's a mush, and there's a
nimshell. And the mush helps you
understand it. Um
said once, he goes, you find in
midrashim sometimes fantastical things,
stories that are just mindbending that
you you you know just couldn't possibly
have happened. And the rashba says not
every agata is meant to be taken
literally. And you know sometimes
they're there. Now which are and which
are not you need a misora for but the
rashba says the the gum in braos that
says that og picked up a mountain the
size of the entire mach was going to
drop it on top of them and the ants ate
it and it fell on his head and then his
teeth grew and it broke off. Goes that's
that did not literally happen. Yeah
that's what the rashba says. So
when it comes to gadgetas why are they
written in in fantastical things you
know all of the raana gumaras you know
so they're written that way because
they're trying to communicate ideas that
are outside of our frame of reference.
So it's it can't use regular stories. It
has to bring a fantastical story to
bring something of tremendous depth to
us.
So if I tell you a story, the story is
that the say you're not allowed to learn
on
why because you'll get so caught up in
that you won't go to the that are given
on Yantiff. And we want you to learn and
not just a so stories pull you in and
you become emotionally attached to the
characters that are being introduced and
it allows you to bring across different
values. Now you have to be very careful
because sometimes the value they want to
bring across is not necessarily good.
Now, I don't know if anyone's aware of
this, but some years ago, uh, this woman
JK Rowling wrote a series of books, uh,
based on a little boy who becomes a
wizard, um, Harry Potter. It was
somewhat popular.
And, uh, I was asked to write an
article, I think, when book four came
out.
And I said the problem with this is that
once people are emotionally invested
and suddenly she wants to bring across
values that are not good, what are you
going to do? People are already
invested.
When book five came out, there was an
article in Time or Newsweek, I don't
remember which one it was, where they
were trying to examine the phenomena.
They say, "Teachers say when a new Harry
Potter book goes up comes out, reading
scores rise to grades." He says, "Kids
with dyslexia read this book six, seven
times over and over again, pushing
themselves to get through it. It has a,
if you pardon the expression, a magical
effect on people and sucks them in. So
what do you do if you're in the middle
of the series and suddenly she reaches a
point where she decides to say let's say
for example one of the main characters
is gay and you didn't know that or more
important she slips in um values without
you even realizing it. So the Death
Eaters who are the bad guys, yeah, they
believe in pure bloods only pure blood
wizards marrying other wizards.
And so therefore,
um, if you're not a pure blood, you
know, term mud blood, that's a terrible
thing. So they have a uh a number of
characters like Hagrid who's from an
intermarriage of a wizard and a giant or
they have um
um Lupin who's a werewolf you know or
they have uh you know the smartest one
this Hermione her real name is
pronounced Hermoni um who uh she's a mud
blood she did not come from wizarding
family you know they're all the good
people and the pure bloods unless they
reject this are bad ones which means
that a from Jew is a death eater because
we only marry other other Jews
we disagree with intermarriage and that
means that we're bad so this is a subtle
message but one that comes across yeah
now I understand she's going for a sense
of universal tolerance But um on a
Jewish value that could be problematic.
Okay. Well, that's all by way of
introduction. So uh um I'll start with
I think a very important book. Um I was
teaching in the intro program in Orame.
I may have told this story already. I
was teaching in the intro program in
Orame
and um uh a guy asked me just out of the
blue, "What do you think is the best
book that was ever written?"
And without hesitating, I said,
"Watership Down."
He said, "What?" I said, "It's about
rabbits."
Okay, that's a little offputting.
6 months later because people in the
intro program come and go. Sort of like
Alice in Wonderland. People come and go
so quickly around here. So, um uh so she
uh somebody else just out of the blue
says to me, "What do you think was the
best book ever written?" And once again,
without hesitating, I said, "Watership
Down." He says, "Water shipped down?" I
said, "It's about rabbits."
It turns out that the guy who had asked
me the question six months ago was back
in Israel and he was in the class and he
says, 'You know, I asked you this
question six months ago and when I got
back to America, I bought a copy and
you're right, it's the best book ever
written.
Now, um I've gone through any number of
copies because people borrow my copy and
it disappears. So when I was in America
the last time I bought myself another
copy of it uh to Kazar over and I didn't
realize
that this is the 50th anniversary of the
book coming out
and uh I ended up with the 50th
anniversary
copy of Watership Down and it comes with
an introduction of an author I've never
heard of, Maline Miller.
Yeah. Who uh won the Orange Prize for
Fiction in 2012
and uh her books have been translated
more than 32 languages. And she gives an
introduction and I was shocked when I
read this introduction because this is
almost word for word what I have been
saying for years and to see somebody
else say it. So you'll indulge me if you
will. I'll explain to you why I think
this book is so important.
I first read Watership Down when I was
12 on a family road trip. I had terrible
motion sickness and usually didn't read
in the car. But once I began the book, I
found I couldn't stop. For hundreds of
miles, I read on nauseiated but
unwilling to turn away for even a moment
from Hazel, Fiverr, Bigwig, and the
rest. I was still reading when we got
out of the car and walked into the hotel
lobby.
The clerk said, "Looks like a good book.
What's it about?" I looked up at her
woozy. It was about everything is what I
wanted to say. About trauma and
injustice and hope and courage. It's
about friendship, leadership, community,
what makes a good life. But I didn't
have the words for all that. So I said,
"It's about rabbits."
She blinked. Huh?
I've returned to Watership Downt often
since then. All it takes is for me to
open the book to any page, any page at
all, and I'm plunged back into the same
deep joy that I felt when I was 12. In
the intervening 30 years, my
appreciation for Adam's masterpiece has
only grown. At every turn, Adams threads
a nearly impossible needle, creating a
story with both great simplicity and
great depth, full of thrilling plot
twists, pounding action scenes, and
genuine tragedy that somehow centers
around the lives of, yes, rabbits. He
pulls off the trick of never letting us
forget that they are rabbits
who only live for a few years, who speak
pragmatically of breeding, who can't
count higher than four, while also
creating characters with a very human
psychology.
From the ground up, he imagines an
entire culture, language, and mythology.
and the result remains one of the most
entertaining and immersive fantasy
worlds I've encountered.
Adams is well-versed in epic and
classical literature and Watership Down
draws inspiration from Homer,
Shakespeare, Virgil, and others.
Its plot springs from the tantalizing
question. What if the prophet Cassandra
foretold the fall of her home? But
instead of ignoring her, a band of brave
souls listened and fled in time. Uh for
those of you not familiar with your
Greek mythology, Cassandra was cursed by
Apollo to always tell the truth and
never be believed. So she said that her
city would be destroyed and no one
listened to her. But what if some of
them did?
The story can be seen as a sort of lap
retelling of the Anid refugees from a
foreign city search for a new home mixed
with a few other famous mythological
episodes including the kidnapping of the
Sabine women and the land of the lotus
eaters. I don't know what that is, but
you don't need to know any of this to
enjoy the book. Adam's intent isn't
classical named dropping, but rather
classical innovation.
Mythology is by definition larger than
life. Stuffed with gods and monsters and
magic. Adam keeps the stakes from the
great epics, war, loss, death, powerful
threads of community and personal
courage. but of instead of imagining
them on a grand stage, he sets them with
utter seriousness in the English
countryside
among ordinary rabbits. This could sound
absurd, but it doesn't. Because, as Adam
understands, courage is even more
thrilling when you aren't half immortal.
When you don't have ikar in your veins.
When you're a prey animal who has a
thousand enemies trying to eat you. True
epic Adams shows us isn't what gods do
but what underdogs do in a world where
there are no gods to help them. It is a
thrilling subversion and from it Adams
creates one of the best superheroes of
all time. The dowy bigwig. Bigwig has no
godmade weapons, no supernatural
protection, no divine heritage, only his
own bluff and stubborn heart. Reckless
and hard-headed, he faces down cats and
winds. He survives a snare that would
have killed anyone else. In another
world with different companions, he
would have become a bully. Instead, he
becomes one of the most inspiring and
endearing characters in the book. The
climactic scene where he stands alone
against the tyrant Woundwart. Knowing he
is overmatched but not yielding an inch
gives me chills every time I read it.
The most delightful part of the book is
that Bigwig, though, isn't the novel's
hero. Hazel is not heroic. He begins the
novel as a gangly outcast with little
physical strength and ends it disabled.
His notable traits are his gentleness
and his quiet conviction in doing what's
right and his willingness to listen to
things other people would dismiss,
including his strange mystic friend,
Fiverr. Yet still, others trust him and
choose him to lead. He isn't the best
fighter, that's Bigwig, or the fastest,
that's Dandelion. He's not the best
storyteller, that's Dandelion, or the
cleverest, that's Blackberry. He's not
the farthest seeing, that's fiverr, or
the most authoritative, that's Holly.
But he has tremendous gifts. First and
foremost, his humility. Like Socrates,
he knows what he doesn't know. When
Blackberry figures out how to float the
rabbits across the river, Hazel scarcely
understands what's happening, but he
understands that Blackberry understands
and gives the order to go forward.
He is emotionally intelligent, handling
both the difficult bigwig and the
traumatized strawberry. He has integrity
when he makes mistakes. He apologizes
for them. And if the sign of a
civilization's strength is how it cares
for his most vulnerable members, Hazel
is exemplary there too. Always
supporting the timid pipkin. As a child
who grew up on Greek myth, Bigwig was
wonderful. But Hazel changed my
understanding of what a hero could be. A
hero's strength is their love and
kindness and careful attention. Seeing
the rabbits defeat roundwood under
Hazel's leadership is one of the most
pleasurable and satisfying edings to a
story I have ever read.
Pleasur and satisfying. Those two words
sum up the whole book. Okay, I'm not
going to keep reading. But but that's
exactly what I've been saying about this
book. Yes, it's about rabbits and you
have to buy into that in the first two
chapters, but then you understand
it teaches you. I have to tell you that
like she says in this essay, um, Hazel
is probably the best example of
leadership that you can see because
Hazel has no special abilities, but he
can find everybody's abilities and help
them develop it. And that's absolutely
amazing. And it's action-packed. It's
exciting. I used to read this book to my
kids before bedtime. I'd read them a
chapter and sometimes they wouldn't they
would get upset when I would stop
because they wanted me to keep going.
So, um it's uh what can I tell you? I
think there's tremendous Musa scale in
this book. You know, it starts off like
like she says about the Warren where
this fiber gets like an image that is
going to be destroyed and the warrant
and they run away, you know, and sure
enough, the warrant gets destroyed and a
couple of survivors come back. And I may
be projecting here, but I can't help but
compare it to, you know, to European
jewelry were destroyed in the few
survivors who went to find, you know, a
new place in either America or Israel to
be able to rebuild and to start over.
But uh what can I tell you when a book
about rabbits has the ability to make
such an impression and uh on people, I
think it's tremendous thing. So, um,
that's my go-to. That's the first one.
Um, I, uh, I'll mention two more without
giving it the same treatment that I gave
worship down. I just happened to have
read this essay. That's why it was on my
head. And, uh, I said, "Wow, that's
exactly what I've been." Every now and
then you see something that's exactly
what you've been saying all along and
it's just amazing. Um, I've been doing a
critique of Mormonism for many, many
years. And it turns out that there was a
Broadway show that came out called Book
of the Mormon and uh I put in a new uh I
put in a new radio in my car and it came
with a uh with Spotify for a year. I was
able to get Spotify. So I went to, you
know, the Broadway channel cuz I haven't
listened in a long time. I'm all of my
musical knowledge is uh you know uh from
from musicals to old. So there was this
thing called the Book of the Mormon and
this guy sings this song. I believe it's
much everything I've ever said all these
years and there it is al spoken out in
uh an amazing detail. So there's
something you know when you find someone
expressing exactly what you're trying to
say, you know. Um someone told me that
they gave Shia Cohen my platonic
relationship cassette.
This was a share I gave some 35 years
ago and it they didn't say viral back
then. They said, you know, it went
platinum. You know, when a record sells
a lot, it goes platinum. It was my first
tape ever go platinum. And someone
played it for Shia Cohen and and he
said, I've been saying these things for
years. He just says it better.
So that to me is, you know, when you
when you can say it say what everyone is
saying, but you could just say it
clearly. Anyway, that's why I saw this.
But I'll mention two other novels that I
think um are of tremendous value. One is
a miser rob by Victor Yugo. A very
important book, a very large book. Um it
fits the definition of a classic. I
don't know who said this. I really
should Google it, but I heard it many
years ago. The definition of a classic
is a book that takes 500 pages to tell a
300page story. And lay miserab takes a
thousand pages I think give or take
because every now and then he goes off
on an 80page tangent. So one of the
characters in the book his father was in
the battle of Waterloo. So he spends 80
pages talking about the battle of
Waterloo. At one point he ex escapes
into a
um a nunnery and he spends 80 pages
talking about nunneries. At one point,
Jean Valjon escapes into the Paris sewer
system and he spends 80 pages talking
about the Paris sewer system.
So between me and you, you can skip
those parts of the book and uh still but
uh but the story of Chuva and of
redemption that is in that book is just
so powerful. Such a tremendous marshall
for for the power of Chuva that it's
just inspiring. I find it inspiring and
it's emotional. Never happened. It's all
make believe. But um
but when it shows you uh the goodness of
people and the capability of what people
could achieve, it's uh I find that
inspiring. And uh
another book
now I should point this out. All right.
I guess by way of introduction, um
although it's a little late for
introduction since we only have five
minutes left, but by way of
introduction, um
uh I never really went to university.
Yeah. I went to Queens College Night
College to try to make my parents happy.
Um I took two courses, introduction to
psychology and introduction to
sociology.
I remember this was in the 70s and my
dad was like, "So, you signed up for
college?" And I said, 'Y yeah. So,
what'd you take? I said, "Psychology 101
and sociology 101." The psych and so
every hippie takes psych and so
why don't you take a math class?
So, I realized at that point that I
wasn't going to make them happy anyway.
So, I didn't go back to college. when I
uh moved to Los Angeles
uh to learn and work in LA, which my
parents referred to as running away from
home. So once my parents saw that I was
able to succeed on my own, they made
another push for me to go to college and
I went to Valley Night College and here
I took two um courses that I wanted. I
took uh journalism and broadcasting
and uh and after that I said anyone who
can do this for four years I have
tremendous respect for you. I mean if
you want to become a you know a doctor
or you know a geneticist or something
like that I understand but if you want
to get like you know um you know
feminist dance theory or like you know
these these these hokey kind of um you
know degrees seems to me like a waste of
time. So, I just couldn't see doing it
for that long. But I uh I do, you know,
use my bathroom time as well as I can.
And uh I read um I read classical
novels. So, I've gone through a lot of
Dickens. In fact, I was speaking once in
a very uh academic high school and I
quoted from Blee House. Now, to show you
how uh academic this is, they have a
head of the English department. I don't
mean general studies. When I went to
school, we had a
a Hebrew principal and a general studies
principal. I mean, she is there's one
person in charge of the English
department, one person in charge of the
science department, one person in charge
of and all the different, you know,
classes, very large school.
Anyway, in the course of my speech,
apparently I had quoted from Blee House
by Dickens. And she came up to me at the
end and she said, "You read Blee House?"
And I said, "Yeah." She goes, "I can't
get through Blee House." Yeah. How did
you do it? I said, "Two pages at a time
in the bathroom."
You know, there was one time I I was
talking about this and I brought one of
these books to quote and a woman told
me, she says, "Another woman said to me,
he's telling the truth. Look, he uses a
piece of toilet paper as the bookmark."
That's true. I do.
But um uh you know, I read a lot of
Dickens. So, if I have to uh recommend
if you're going to read one Dickens
novel, remember they're all very long.
He's verbose because he got paid by the
word. Yeah. Uh I would suggest David
Copperfield.
Um and I've read a lot of Dickens, but
David Copperfield is somewhat
autobiographical.
And um
you know what's what's nice about it is
that none of these characters are
perfect by any stretch of the
imagination. you know, I mean, I I could
argue that little Dorret maybe has uh
also tremendous amount of mus, but it's
not it's not as easy to read. Um but um
um but David Copperfield is of course by
many considered a classic Dickens and um
um definitely uh a worthwhile thing to
read and uh to put into perspective. Um
uh maybe I would mention just one more
and that's Crime and Punishment by
Dasteski. Um
uh also
psychological thriller about uh crime
and punishment you know and about
consequences of actions and how they go
on and also very very powerful and uh
how it goes on. I'll give one more you
know and that is by Hardy. Hardy is very
difficult to read. Um not because he
doesn't write well. He writes
wonderfully but because um he is very
negative.
And as he goes on, the books become more
and more negative to the point when
there was such outrage that he just
stopped writing novels and switched to
um um switched to uh just doing poetry
because uh it was just too too uh harsh
the stories. But uh the mayor of
Castaster Bridge is such a story of how
people
can be so self-destructive in their life
and just destroy their lives. Every time
success comes, they do something that
just destroys it. So uh so those are
some of my recommendations.
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