Devarim: Your Words Are Torah (Ep. 193)

hi this is Doug olowski and welcome to the rubber olowsky show you're watching with our friends over at or anytime or wherever you watch or listen to your podcast as always we are so happy to have you along for this adventure and I finally feel like I'm getting back into the groove you know I was I was out of it for for over six months we didn't have any podcasts and so uh you know starting to starting to stretch my muscles a little bit get back in to that uh that attitude that people appreciate so much and I have to thank especially the people who have uh made this possible to be able to bring it back and uh we thank you and uh Hashem it's a tremendous quiz for a lot of people I get I get I read all of your emails and people who tell me they get so much physic from this and get uh get you know strength for the week and and uh and to face life's challenges I'm so proud that I have the opportunity to be a part of your life so last week I mentioned that we were going to go back to something I haven't done in a while which is part of I don't know how long that will go on for but so far we uh have a two um episode streak so I'm gonna talk about Parsha this week which is of course uh known as Shabbos khazon based on the half Torah and it is known as parishes devarim now polishes development safe at the farm is of course an interesting idea because we've talked about this in the past the names that we use voracious shmos and devarim are not the names that the khazal used the names of the Ghazal used are ironically closer to the uh the Latin names that are used Genesis Exodus Leviticus Numbers and Deuteronomy yeah um because for example is called safer pikudim the book of the counting numbers you see how that makes sense Leviticus Taurus so the tour of the kahanam Levin Leviticus and [Music] um the varum is really called mishnator which is the repetition of the turret acadam you have to find a perfect someplace else in the Torah the other four books to go along with it because it's you know doesn't have that same status which is uh interesting discussion but we call it safe at the bottom and uh there's a general rule that is the Jewish people are holy and if we have a way of doing things there's got to be a reason for it so when you look in the reshonen the rashonam never referred to boration they always use the names you know you'll see in Rashi he says like it says in in Mr Torah or like it says in um and uh you know the uh they quote the names of the khazal game but we use these names and obviously there has to be a reason for it and uh I I've quoted many times where of milk Weinberg points out that Jews have been accused of everything we've been accused of ritual murder we've been accused of host desecration we've been called the capitalist communist atheists you know everything we've been accused of the only thing they never accuse of us of is being stupid yeah so if we do something you have to be careful all right the ramad gives a reason why why he says who because um you know if the Jews have taken upon themselves accustomed there's probably a reason and you find it sometimes in the gemara where they say in this particular place they did it because they knew that people will weaken the observance of this particular Mitzvah so they were stricter with it because they knew that people with a tendency so you have to know that there's uh there's different realities that go into it so uh the fact that we call it devarium besides the fact that you could call it the first significant word is that devarim of course means words and one of the interesting uh paradoxes about say for devarium is that it's considered the words of Moshe Urbana how could it be part of the words of motion what does that mean because we know that the Torah existed two thousand years before creation on some level the words of moshrabino worth teller and and the way that it was expressed was what the Torah had already said it's it's uh it's a paradox it's one that deserves deeper examination but the fact that the safer is called devarim is tremendously significant and that's why um Rashi at the end of parshus says that Matos Mase is already the introduction two safe environment and that's where it starts with the Parsha of nidorim because what's a nether a nether means that I can create Torah with my words so for example it is permitted to eat cherries yeah uh unless the bug people get to them then you won't be able to but right now I thank you I think uh not even sure Matt it's hard to keep up with all the bug people but um um it's very exciting here and it's true they just came out with fresh corn with revised like he's got bugs everywhere you know so he says you can eat this corn and corn on the cob exciting anyway so um um so the uh I I I've always wanted to try this I see this uh all over the place that talk about grilled corn on the on the barbecue it sounds sounds intriguing anyway um although I find it just fine to boil it in a pot so it's soft and then put some butter and salt down I'm very happy with that too um but I'll let you know we'll keep you up we may even have a live cooking show as I said we'll put the actual corn on the grill and see how it comes down barbecue special you get to see how it goes but anyway so um um the uh uh cherries you're allowed to eat cherries but if I make a nether yeah I can't aim a lie yeah it is forbidden for me to eat cherries you have now created a new issinator called Thou shalt not eat cherries and if you eat those cherries with a warning and Witnesses you can be brought to court and get Marcus just like you ate something that was non-kosha because your words created to you so we go into varim and we go into the situation where the whole safer dvorim is the words of Moshe Urbana so that's a it's not it's not by chance that we decided to call the safe at the verb it's obviously significant and it's also important for partials to bottom why because in pasius davarium we learn a lot about how to use our words this is obviously the uh the week before uh tishma and that's the varm always comes out the week before Tish above and um it's the third half Torah of that was given to the Jewish people warning them of what's going to happen and the time in his introduction to save a couple of time points out that the destruction the Corbin of the base amigdush came about because of ill speech ing her since that these things contributed to the destruction and that's why he says that the reason the Google is not coming and by the way uh regular watches the podcast know that I'm not afraid to share where I don't understand something but he says something interesting and the introduction of the time he says because we know that this Gully should have only let go as Adam should have only lasted a thousand years which means that by the year 1070 The the ghoula should have come I'm not sure what the McCourt is for that and so I know I have a lot of listeners out there who are much more knowledgeable than I am so I'd like to know what the McCoy is for that but uh he says it's only because of the sin of our speech that we're still in goal is and he and he brings many examples why many reasons why because we can't dominate because we mess up our ability to speak we mess up our power of of speech and that stops our feel it from working if the Avera came around because of Russian horror then obviously until we're attacking that we're going to keep making the same mistake and it's more than that because what makes a human being a human being is their ability to speak that's why when you play 20 Questions in America you know you have animal mineral and vegetable and humans are in that category of animal when they play it in this country they have domain that's what you call mineral which you would call vegetable Kai which you would call animal and madabir that's a human being it's not in the same category as an animal and madaba is how a human being is described that we have the ability to speak and it's more than we have the ability to speak we can control the world with speech we've talked about these ideas in the past but I believe they their repetition especially before Tish above the maharl points out that the two words are the same exact words the the kudoda different but the but the essence of the word is the same dollid base race why because every thing is a word Hashem spoke and it came into existence the world is based on speech if you can figure out the word then you understand the essence of everything that exists in this world that's uh uh that's what they call practical Kabbalah right how do you say something and affect things so we know this ourselves right we hear somebody sick and we dive in and we assume they're going to get better because we said something because we understand that our words have the ability to be able to affect things and if you know the right thing to say then you can control the Bria the entire creation with your words words have the power to affect the world around us positively or negatively and the negative obviously led to the Corbin the positive can lead to the rebuilding of it now sometimes you see it on a very practical level you know you can say something to somebody and it changes their life um positively and negatively yeah you can say something that really hurts somebody and they they leave they walk out I I'm pretty sure I told the story but as a care of organization I forgot which town it was in but uh one of their people lost their father and he was sitting shiver and he needed a minion so the care of work was trying to round up a minion he was going around he said you have any Jewish neighbors he was asking if they would come and make a minion so he could say kadish and this one guy said not me I will never dive in again I will never pray and he says why he says I grew up in the Lower East Side my father died when I was a little boy yeah and so for a year as a little boy my mother would send me off the shoulder say kaddish and the next year it was your type so she sends me the show to psychotic so he was a kid so uh he says Scottish at the end someone comes over to him and says she says I have your site he says so where's the line Mr schnapps where's the herring the kid looks at me they didn't have money for food they were poor their father died you call this a yard side Fair as I walked out and I said I'm never walking into a show again has somebody said something and it was so devastating that it just changed his entire life and sometimes people can say something and it changes their life for the positive I know I've told the story and I I could be repeating myself and uh if you've heard this feel free to fast forward but but it was particularly meaningful to me I'm driving this avreh to the bus and he says do you remember about 10 years ago you took your wife out for dinner to Off The Square I said look I'm cheap but I take my wife out more often than once every 10 years you know I'm like yeah I've taken my wife out to dinner you know but 10 years ago you went to Off The Square I said okay he says and there was a waitress there from Hebrew University and I said yeah I remember her I strike up conversations with people you know well whenever I can always try to to engage people especially when I see that they speak English in Israel yeah because and you ripped off the corner of your placemat and wrote down your name and your address and your phone number and invited her for Shabbos I said okay it could be I do that a lot you know it's not the first time he opened his wallet and he takes out this little piece of paper and my handwriting I said where'd you get this from that's my wife she was so inspired by the fact that you invited her Shabbos that she started taking classes where we came from and now she's my wife I was amazed that week because the coach bro knows I have a bad memory and I forget things when that week I got a phone call from an Israeli woman and I said no I don't speak Hebrew and I don't talk to Israelis I don't know who you are so she switches to English and she says I met you on a plane years ago on an LL flight and I was sitting next to you and I just lost my father and I was very upset and you said to me I can see something's bothering you and you spent the whole flight talking to me about my father about Olam Haba about purpose of life everything like this she didn't come from religious background I spent the flight talking to him at the end of the flight when they gave you a special kosher breakfast you ripped off the corner of your place Matt you wrote down your name address and phone number invited me for a Shabbat and I was so moved by that that I became a closer and now I realize I have a question for a rabbi and I wasn't sure who to call and then I realized I've been carrying this in my wallet all these years I used to say this over to groups of kirib work as I said what do you learn from this they said you should get business cards but if you don't have a place man I said okay that's one thing you learned with that I said what you learn is I I tell you the truth I've done that dozens of times dozens of times and I'm convinced that every time I do it the person just takes it and laughs behind my back and throws in the garbage but I keep doing it anyway forget take a chance who knows for I know every single person I ever gave the little petite to became from and I didn't even have to have the fish office all I had to do was reach out and show that I can I just said something positive it makes a difference but we don't appreciate it that uh when when Shalom says that life and death is in the hands of the mouth you can say something that will you know change someone's life for the positive and you can say something that'll change someone's life for the negative and you never know the effect that your words have on other people and so therefore when we go specifically in the tissue above we have to understand how important the words are uh I may have told the story but it's one of my favorites yeah this fellow has been in Slovakia for 10 years and the Slovakian in Europe and when you've been there a long time you get uh you know if you're a younger guy you get What's called the less call Chevalier I don't know exactly the whole hierarchy but a Ravi which is the fourth a layer a scene is not being that important yeah anyway this guy's been there for 10 years and he suddenly gets a review so he knows that the alt of Slovakia must be behind anything because he was behind everything he he uh he always found the way of sending messages to people anyway so uh so he gets a review so after dominating he says rebia are you upset with me he says why this is why I gotta reveal he says really they gave a bald Guyver like you and a Leo I'm really surprised Remy what did I do so you don't even remember he says no tell me Remy what did I do 10 years ago when you came here we had an old Richard Shiva who was dying to lose it it was old he was a little disoriented and he came and shot this morning he started to put on his filling and I told you quick tell him at Shabbos and you went up and you had a smile on your face you can laugh at a person like this who you'll work your whole life you'll never accomplish what he accomplished and now that he's old and he's weak you can make fun of him such about gaiva he says you're right I I I I'm sorry I'm going to learn Melissa I'm going to work on it you know he says but remember that was 10 years ago you never said anything to me he says it took me 10 years to build you up to the point that I could say that to you somebody once observed that the alto slavatka knew how to take somebody apart and put them back together again they said today where half is good we know how to take people apart we know how to use words to break people but men had to build them he spent 10 years building the get up until he could tell him what he what he had to hear because people can't always hear you have to you have to know whether the person can hear what it is that you have to say and if not don't say it and I stopped for a bunch of reasons but I said I don't have to write it anymore I can sum it up for you you know very easy don't say 90 of what you want to say because they've done studies and ninety percent of what parents say to kids are negative so just say the 10 is positive huh and uh and use your words to build people because you can you can say something nice and make a person feel like a million bucks I was waiting online before Rosh Hashanah it was pandemonium and the supermarket as you can imagine and this woman everyone's yelling at her and giving a hard time she says do the best she could under the circumstances and when I got up there I said to a Coco vote look how hard you're working and you should know you're not just check out you're helping people make you active this is a tremendous mitzvah you know I feel bad I mean I see you going like non-stop because well before the end if it's like this I said can I get you a coffee or something you know I you know if I pack up I'm happy to clean it because no I'm all right I have a break coming up because all right because you know you got to take care of yourself yeah I left she had a smile on her face it didn't cost me anything no it it's taking a moment to be able to say a kind word that's going to make a difference to people's lives and and you have so many opportunities to say hello to say something positive to say something nice you know I I I I remember I was in the airport and there was this tall black guy who was working security and he was yelling at everybody he was representing you know I was like very upset you know and I said uh tough day huh and he says yeah you don't know the half of what I'm going through is that I said I'm really sorry yeah you know listen I said we're brothers we we we share each other's pain you know I'm so you're going through this you know whatever you know hope it made a difference yeah you you can take a moment to say something that's going to have a positive impact on a person's life you don't even realize it how many chances you have a chance to say something and there are times you look back and you say gee I really should have said something I don't know why I didn't say anything it's uh I find this when I pay a Shiva call sometimes there are 100 people there and I'm not really that important and uh you know I sit there quietly and uh you know no one's really talking to me and you know whatever I listen and uh and I leave sometimes people want to talk to me they want to hear what I have to say they want to hear my words how they're meaningful and I take that so seriously I I'm a speaker that's what I do I was going to say that's what I do for a living but I don't make a living so I can't say it but it's what I'm supposed to do for a living but when I get up to speak I say it's Fila because you don't know what you're gonna save it's going to affect people on how it's going to touch their lives it's an amazing thing who knows who knows what you're going to say that people are going to remember afterwards and people quote back to me things that I've said people walking around little pieces of ripped placemats that I gave them you know what I mean that had meaning to them you can say something and and and and and and your words will Echo with people years later sometimes positively and sometimes negatively I had somebody once and he says to me this person keeper I finally forgave you I was like what I had made some kind of joke you know he brought his caliber to visit you know I made some kind of joke whatever it is and he was so hurt took him years he said so he could forgive me oh gosh uh I I didn't mean to to hurt anybody's feelings you know you got to be careful you don't know what you're gonna say how it's gonna affect somebody and you can say something that's positive you know I I'll tell you something I did once I don't know what the effects were this father bought brought his son to the uh the seven o'clock menu that I was going to at the time and the kid was diving very nice I I was really impressed and I made a mental note of it you know this kid's really done me nicely and then before I left I went over to the father in front of the son and I said I just want to tell you your son David's beautifully I said you don't see many kids that age who mom has come to show and Diving so well he goes well thank you very much I said no I'm not saying it to be nice I'm telling you I was inspired by watching his daughter I hope that I had a positive impact maybe the father beat him a little less you know maybe the kid walked away thinking you know initiated you know people people want to hear words of appreciation people want to hear that they're good people people want to have their accomplishments celebrated and to say something nice is so easy my friend Hannah as as a book called It's a small word after all one of his 127 books you know you know one for each of the Medina the whole thing is about how somebody can say something that changes somebody's life safe at the volume impartious devarim is telling us that your words have the ability to be able to build and your words have the ability to destroy it was Lush and horror that destroyed the base of mcdush and it'll be the positive words of trila and of Torah and of good wishes and saying nice things that can change things around be able to be able to look at it from a different perspective maybe to say something that's going to gonna give somebody a sense of like wow I didn't I didn't think of it that way I didn't look at it that way I I can reframe it so let's take upon ourselves now in these days before tishop particularly and throughout the year to be a little bit more careful with what we say I mean you know that there's uh all the emphasis on lotion this time of year and uh and making the uh uh and all the kind of things on on Russian horror because if we if says in his introduction if we can meet again if we can fix our speech then we're in a position to be able to go on and rebuild the world and rebuild the basic dish and now we come to the question and answer part of our program nahama asks whatever happened to the Jewish Observer it seems like we need it now more than ever oh boy um for the younger people in the audience the good they used to have a journal called the Jewish Observer and it used to be articles written by rabonim or lay people on important topics and they would deal with it with a certain amount of depth and uh it was Elizabeth or Bowman's at cell and it was uh it was a journal it wasn't a magazine it was a journal it it uh it had uh mamosis it had weight to it it was something real um and then uh the magazines came out and there was such a a plethora or if you have a reading vocabulary or plethora of um of these magazines that there was just so much for uh people to be able to read and the Jewish Observer fell by the wayside because people given the choice between something that's deep and meaningful and light and fluffy will almost always take the light and fluffy and that's why chocolate is much more popular than bran yeah and uh that's why cereal that's mostly sugar with a little bit of salt is much more popular than a nice healthy Syria so uh so the Jewish Observer is something that is Thoroughly missed and there should be something on that level on that intellectual level uh that's being offered to the Jewish Community from community and it's not so I I'm one it's passing along with you and we should all have a nachama okay does the roof have any suggestions for Yeshiva bucket to do as an outlet during being a storm or in a long Motu Shabbos depends on the person what do I mean I was uh I was an average already I had been running ncsy for 10 years and I came back to it so I just didn't learn and it was my first year back and uh and I had some kind of question on the mishkan and I asked another operation and he started rattling off all the details of the mishkan and I said how do you know that and he says I've always been careful to do with Rashi and when I came to truma titsava I went over it every year with all of the details with all the things to make sure that I got it down I said where do you have time to do party he says I'm not doing anything else any night so it gives me a chance to do partion so the answer is that free time can be used to be able to learn those kind of things that you would like to learn and don't have the time in a normal day right I have a friend of mine who during his spare time would read the hakadamas to swarim there's all kinds of amazing things in the hot dogs you know and he would learn all that dumb as and he had information that nobody in the entire world had you know I remember I always had this question I did a part this year about it uh maybe 25 years ago um and Parsha schmoes it says that uh Hashem made them bought him yeah for uh Miriam and uh and you'll have it so from your Heaven came the houses of kahuna and Lavia and from Miriam came the malhas so from you have it was pretty clear she had iron who was the came who who was the uh head of all of the kohanim and Moshe was a labia that was pretty straightforward how does Miriam come from it's a more complicated thing so I said what's the association and I looked around my farm and I couldn't find it anywhere so I went to one of these people with the computers you know with the 90 000 sperm you know he does a search uh safer somewhat obscure his mother name was Miriam and so he wrote an answer to this question how Miriam is connected to maukhis and why what she did how that ties into the malcolas and honor of her mother how was I ever going to find that so um you know I remember I just went to the uh to the Derek dinner and I saw a bunch of my hotel medium you know and we were reminiscing about old time I had I had uh some guys were here they were they were all working very hard it was so came with Hanukkah we had off like two days so I said so what'd you guys do with your vacation this one guy said uh it was great I just lay in my room and listened to a Victor Miller tapes party huh well I don't have time during this month you know what I mean I'm busy so this gives me a chance to listen to things so if there are things that you want to learn uh you know I think the way uh uh the some of the players can put in as much the stuff that you want to learn that you don't at the time during the zman it gives you a chance to be able to sit down and learn things yeah now that's assuming that you want to spend your time doing something worthwhile I I'm I certainly understand if you don't because I'm not in Yeshiva how many hours a day do I have to learn time he says well if you're not in Yeshiva so then you're within a verbala boss and uh he says about the bus works three hours a day and learns nine hours a day so you only have to learn nine hours so that guy writes back I don't do that during this month [Laughter] so not everybody who when they're giving a break says I want to sit down and you know and learn something so what else can you do um some people enjoy reading reading and uh [Music] I once asked for Moshe Shapiro you know about literature so he says then you know then you can do it yeah obviously it's got to be something that's you know um I uh I had uh um you know when I have a little down time in my day you know when I use the room without a mezuzah so uh I usually take a classic novel read it through you know I remember I was speaking once in a very fancy school that had a director of the English literature Department High School anyway at some point in my talk I quoted Bleak House from uh Charles Dickens she came to me at the end and said you read Bleak House and I said yeah because hell I said two pages at a time in the room without a position she goes I couldn't get through Bleak ass I said listen this is my school of continuing education you know um uh uh Conrad is one of the most painful things I've ever read secret agent I I I read it because it's a classic you know Lord Jim was a little better you know but painful painful painful experiences you know so if a person enjoys reading and that's down time to relax that's great yeah um I am a proponent of exercise especially if you're in Yeshiva all day and you're sitting and you're sitting um I had a heart attack and a bypass operation and when I was afterwards in the rehabilitation program they said something that really stuck with me they said today sitting is the new smoking as unhealthy as smoking is for your heart sitting is you have to get up and you have to move I remember when uh uh I make more of an effort to go walking I have a little muscle three and a half kilometers that I walk around hard enough and I'm huffing and puffing and I'm looking and I keep passing people who are walking and I realized they're not doing this for exercise they just don't have a car it's not like you know so I once heard this uh redneck comic you know and he was like I don't get the gym how did this start someone said hey Luke can I come down to your factory and pick up some heavy stuff I'll pay you for it I was like yeah okay but take a look get out there it's good for fresh air obviously not if you're living in New York because there's always you know a giant smoke clouds coming from Canada but you know it's out go out go for a walk you know uh stretch them a little bit get some fresh air it's so important to take care of your health you know um if there's uh there there are exercises you can do that don't require a lot of equipment you know um and uh I I think that's a wonderful thing to do music music is uh very relaxing Spirit we spoke about music last week music can be a very spiritual experience listen to it and and and gives you as an enjoyment and relaxation will be oretz said that he asked Israel Toby Goldstein are you allowed to listen to recorded music during the sphere and he said no he says what about a Baja between Ben and starim who wants to relax can he listen to it he says yeah sure because he needs the music to to help him relax you know settle his mind so that's a good thing to do uh and from mozi Shabbos you know it's okay to get together with friends have a cup of coffee sit down and talk you know do something like that which would be nice now I learned in air itself first time in 1975. there was maybe one traffic light here's the line on the corner of King George and yaffle and it turned into a blinker at eight o'clock at night I mean talk about uh uh provincial this was a real Backwater kind of a place there was one thing to do is you could go to herzion and the Dias for Yeshiva had a bunch of guys who were Rock uh stars who had all become from and they would do a concert and it was eclectic they were um uh non-from tourists they were Yeshiva guys there was that all people from all walks of life would come and listen to these concerts because there was nothing else to do nothing else to do so uh you know so if there's something healthy that a person can do you know I think uh that's that's also a good way to spend your time does it say clearly in halacha that you may not prayer there's a Rashi Russian Brothers that says the day starts and it ends it says relying on that there are definitely sheeters that say that the day ends it says they're also those who say it begins at uh nates and ends at um parenthetically that's the difference between and the grossmanim the grow is going from Nate to shkia and uh therefore it's a shorter period of time and each hour is going to be a little longer the 12 hours and the moment of rum is going from the Elise to uh to uh taste interesting um uh told me once that you know when there's a rabbit in training you know they don't do Mr Brewer they do with the maganavaram so it could be that because the mugging of rum you know says the day goes from Allah to uh taste maybe that's why can't say for sure the question is do people do it aftertaste that I don't have an answer for is it right for rabbis to teach in girls schools what should be a job for Motors when I used to teach gamara I used to say this in Kimora only two correct answers it's a maclakis or it depends this one I say is it depends um through a wolf who made wolf seminary in benabrock is obviously a man made a seminary yeah um everybody reference who made the value slime it's obviously a man made in the village life very cooperman who started was obviously a man yeah and uh a lot of the schools were run by men yeah um so the reason is that it felt that there were men who were able to give a certain level of depth that there weren't that many qualified women today people maintained that they were more qualified women than they were in the past and they're able to do it having said that let me tell you a story that I heard once Josh Hartman yahushua Hartman sorry um who of course wrote The Parish on Gore aye he says one time he gets a call from this older woman speaking Hebrew and you realize it's she's going up to ask him and she says in questions he's trying to explain it and you know and he's getting very agitated because that's how guys learning Yeshiva you can see people yelling at each other he said he realizes I'm sitting here yelling at this 90 year old woman and uh and I said I finally said okay I hear what you're saying and she goes I twisted you're just saying that so I said well what was your impression she's obviously very smart but she never learned in Yeshiva she never learned gamara you have a different perspective when you're learning Yeshiva from rabam it gives you a different uh perspective of things to be able to understand yeah so uh when it comes to teaching it comes teaching certain other things the more that you know the greater is your ability to be able to go on and bring it for us ideas so that's why uh uh when it comes to these kind of things it falls under the category of islasses in order to make sure that uh that women are getting the top education you want to get the top people to be able to do it so there's always the danger therefore that problems can happen and problems do happen and that's only because people don't keep gadarim I taught in the Seminary for many years and uh after a while my daughter started teaching there and when we compared notes we realized that we didn't always know who we were talking about because I called everyone by their last name and she called everybody by their first name you know and she says why do you call Everyone by your last name I said because I'm a man teaching in a seminary and I'm not I'm trying to maintain a certain distance I don't I can't be buddy buddy with the tell me dote as I can with the Tommy dim you know as I can with a guy you know so you have to make sure that you keep up your guitar and and to be very careful yeah and um uh so the reason I I say it's an Islas Hashem you know uh you know if uh if you can find a qualified uh woman to be able to do what the man can do then that's fine um the question comes if you're going to sacrifice the level of Education in order to keep the men out um is that a positive development I don't think so um is it is it a dangerous situation yeah yeah it is and you have to make sure that a person can handle this but remember Weinbach who taught in the um you know you know a couple of seminars he told me he used to teach like this we woke up at the ceiling you know and uh you know my my daughter was in a class and there was this Israeli male model and evidently he still even though he became from still has that male model look you know and um uh and he was speaking to the girls about whatever and you're only Kiddush of attire Etc so one of the girls said then why are you here speaking to girls suppose that has glasses and gives it to one of the girls and says put these on oh my gosh you're blind because yeah whenever I took the girls I take off my glasses and like you say without them I'm practically blind so that's why I do it So you you're it's it's a welcome secana but sometimes it's uh you know calculated risk that people have to be able to take okay that's it for this week um if you want to find out more about the show you can go to my website Robert alaskey.com and you can sign up for one of our online shioram you can leave a comment and that's it until next time I Am David olowski and this is the rabbi olowski show it's the rabbi orlowsky show ing ready to go the rabbi olowsky show not want your wisdom will help you grow lots of fun in every episode and we don't have to rhyme it's the rabbi orlovsky show a rabbi orlowsky.com Torah anytime you two and more if show [Music] till it's time so we meet again the rabbi 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