Yom Haatzmaut: Israeli Independence Day in Halacha Part 3

this torah class is brought to you by torahanytime.com okay good morning to the colleague or the pearcott we already spent two weeks on this uh topic of what we call yoma's regarding whether it's permitted to say hello whether you're required to say hello whether you're allowed to say hello whether it's prohibited to say hello and so forth and just to review some of the arguments that we've given so far again i want to be accused of not being balanced in my approach here so i just want to begin by saying that what we're doing is we're trying to present what uh we consider the views of the main poi skim of the last century if anybody could uh bring in other information from other places can be very happy to see but uh we brought in the views basically of the tits eliezer yosef and so far we saw three arguments why perhaps would not be permitted to say hello on your mat the first one is based on the letter of the khasanesh and based on the opinion that's itself and rebel yosef that in today's day and age we're no longer authorized to make enactments make the zeros make takanos make additions to tsfila and so forth and this is something that now in our day and age it's beyond us we're not on that level to make a new decree to make a new enactment would be as if to say we are worthy to do such a thing but in reality we are unworthy to do such a thing to tamper with the jewish calendar where the jewish um ceremonies and so forth would be considered in a certain arrogance that we're worthy to tamper okay that was the first argument we get the second argument we gave was based on i just want to say that he does shiva is probably the authoritative chuva on the topic of hallow for a miracle and the hida says that one can only say halal for a miracle that happens for the entire jewish people not for a segment of the jewish people okay that was the opinion based on which many poison say that as great and as miraculous as 48 67 was it was not to the entirety of the jewish people any questions on that will be for last time so explain that and that's something we uh addressed uh last week i got the the land of israel for his beloved to everybody that's wonderful but halal has a specific halacha there no more hala has a specific hawaka that has to lead to all kaiso a third argument was the argument of and that is that one is only authorized to say hello for an open miracle an open miracle now even in times of hanukkah the gemara asks why do we say halal on chanaka and the gemara does not answer because of the military victory why not it was miraculous the answer is it was not an open it was not an open miracle it was miraculous under the guise of nature and therefore you're not authorized to say hello for a miracle under the guise of nature and that is why the ignorance is you know why you say halal on hanukkah for the miracle of the oil okay and based on that rabbi yosef and the titsuyaser say that as great as miraculous as 48 and 67 were nevertheless they were not open miracles the laws of nature were not changed openly and for these three reasons so far we saw perhaps one should not say halal on yom hatsumo now we're going to get involved in something uh maybe even more sensitive and that is some of the hashgraphic aspects of it and with that we're going to start on page six and this is uh the second column number hey hey this comes from the safer massa or ivaria of reverb yourself okay and he begins like this we're probably familiar that um people have coined the phrase and they haven't coined they haven't invented the phrase it's a phrase that has already been coined and they apply it to the independence of israel and that is asked the beginning of the gula can we say that israeli independence is the beginning of the jewish redemption so we brought that we we cited last week that there is a very uh interesting safer called hatakufa hakudaila written by ravanatham kashar who was uh the student of the rugged cover guy and in this safer ramanakam kasha records the signatures of about a hundred or two hundred goddale israel who lived in the time who all signed a letter that states that the establishment of the state of israel was considered as the beginning of the gula now just off the bat did you say yes just off the bat you're gonna knock him out no no no no no no just off the bat the term ascata de gota doesn't really mean too much why not because the vilna going said that the year eighteen hundred was asked and israel kutner said the year eighteen ninety nine was the khatta gotta and reshame ishmael said when the balfour declaration was signed that was the skhl and the term has been applied to any jewish salvation in the last 200 years wow so what does that mean just means a good thing that's all it means does it mean the the beginning of the final redemption it's hard to make the case that it's really the beginning and even in its specific term it's not a specific terminology but nevertheless who signed on this letter that 1940 was the beginning of the gula you have three pesos frank simone you have rabbi hill mikhail tikachinsky and you have about another 100 150 other israel just to point out conspicuously absent are probably what the world considered the two the two greatest and the british they did not agree that this was asghat of the goltan well even though doesn't really mean too much they nevertheless did not put their names on us okay so we're going to see where babaji yosef writes then in the safe air hats he says or the israel signed on it but i'm just pointing out for the sake of intellectual honesty the two did not sign on it you know whatever camp you come from whether you come from this camp or that either it's the khazanesh or the brisker of how to make a case for you know i know there okay that may be then maybe i'm not sure anyway so let's see what real value stuff writes looking besides all this yes the establishment of the state as the beginning of the gula and he quotes a few lines of nation but how do i have the safe rats my great grandfather moved to eretz israel in the 70s and he bought this for my father to convince him to say hallo and yo matt's moat and my father recently said you want this safer i said you bet okay so that's what nakam kashir says like this heavy cruz the shamed ass tyra he brings like uh a kolkaire you could see over here [Applause] that's torah he quotes over here in the in the safer that's torah almost all the great are signed on it the kyrim medina nevertheless says the jews left mitzrayim was that the beginning of the gula certainly they were only missing crossing the sea and yet they didn't say hello when they left ryan they waited until they split the sea why because leaving the triumph is not good enough you don't say hollow till you know it's not over it ain't over until it's over that was okay good point the ishami says that was they said hallelu because it was yamtis but to say hallo for the miracle they did not say yosham he says until they left that's how you sean he says take a look he says since we have a long road ahead kedela to reach the ultimate rest medina whether it's in in terms of a national scale a military scale behind me because whether it's on a spiritual level and the high of ligmarhol we can obligate someone to say hello he said to you xiaomi that says that we didn't say halal until the sea split and then he said something very interesting the afghan here are two in israel manhikes the generals of the arab armies lamarosis bosos despite all of their setbacks and all their failures they're still waving the sword at us to attack us and to destroy us again um right did the arabs say okay war is over we retreat no their guns are still pointed at us so yeah we won but if the opposing enemy is still in attack mode you're going to say hello for the victory believing and it says rebel vaginos there are many cursed nations that we thought were our friends but when it came to all the different wars they turned their backs on us whether it's the war of independence what's that 56. when since then we've experienced so many wars you can't say we've reached any type of ultimate peace and then he says we're still awaiting the final salvation and then he says something very frightening on a spiritual level we have went a thousand steps backwards we are witnesses to a terrible downfall in the jewish people hama tiranos goyveras the leniencies the freedom you see tremendous lack of observance everywhere you go it doesn't mean it's your marriage closer snails no lack of modesty big day princess terrible big day priestess pornographia basically every ill of the western world has been imported has imported and unfortunately now it's become the other way around where the ills of the western world are being exported from israel and that's the fact unfortunately that um the country you know you don't want to speak bad but the country that exports the most promiscu promiscuity of any country in the world is the day state it's a fact my modern hebrew isn't good but i think that means they go to schools that are not religious dinner it's quite interesting nowadays there are most uh students who normally shiva than ever before that's true so in the next paragraph he points out um good points if you turn over the sheet on the fifth line he says we can't deny keep ms and call out solemn with all the casualties yeshua orozcadolum you have tens of thousands of yeshiva light are learning torah day and night and the torah has been restored to a level that we never had so on the one hand we have tragedy that we've never seen before in terms of the the uh lack of observance and the hatred toward observance and the hatred towards sinasa mitzvah and you have types of khator and advanced that we've never seen before on the one hand and on the other hand you have great light so you're going to say hallel when half of our people or the majority of our people are drowning or being destroyed maybe yes maybe no it's a very difficult thing to to say definitively because god took every single jew and he put him on the track of spirit for kabbalah halawa if we took every israeli who went to a secular school and we we put them into religious schools and right now they don't know anything maybe then we would say hello but right now is only touching a very very small percentage of the secular israelis the vast majority of the israelis in public school unfortunately they're not off uh they're not headed to a good future they've ever watched the greatest closure that ever was you know what percent of the jewish people it is whatever it is it's the biggest one you're gonna say hello when 99 of our people are disappearing and one percent is being saved well the vast majority of the secular trade are not being saved they're not being saved that's a very large percentage that's ruba kakula yeah the point that he's making is that uh to sing the same way when we left egypt and the egyptians were drowning hashem said to him you can't say hello that's right and when your own brothers and sisters are drowning how are you going to say hello that's a very strong argument that's a very strong argument okay that was a nest right yeah did they say hello of course not would have been appropriate no why because there were still sights maybe it wasn't because we're still being as soon as the these are some thoughts to think about again what you do what you choose to do you'll follow your own uh continental authorities we're just presenting what i consider the uh the views of the dollar apostle okay let us take a look at something a little bit more to the right so to speak and that is uh the opinion of a reuben grozovsky and not a halachic work in his um a safer called boyos hazman the challenges of the time [Applause] and he writes in general aside from halo independence day is it a day that we celebrate okay and from this point in the show and on don't argue with me you'll argue with the sources that uh we're presenting okay what number we're number 26 26 26. so far we've seen that um as ramakham kashmir quoted hundreds of of godaddy you saw consider the establishment of the state ascalta de golta now we're going to bring the opinions of those who do not consider it as as we explained whatever it even means to be asked even if it doesn't mean something specific even if it's only a generic term they were doing so that did not consider the establishment of state even the beginning of the gula and that is um reuben wazowski and this is very much the opinion of the ailment yeshivas and look at number 26 he brings down he says kosher ken on the second line last is certainly to make a yamcha fat of the day we should not do we're not required to believe this is the beginning of the redemption the simple tradition of the jewish people is the jews are going to be in gathered not by a military victory but through mashiach that's what the rambam says openly meshiach there will be a human being who is alive and did not die who will be the redeemer of the jewish people and he is the one who is going to bring back the golios that's the opinion of the rambam that's it now mashiach did not come yet we're not going to come at 48. i many jews came to israel the answer is according to rebel gaza we don't consider that qibla scolios that may be considered a great um historic epic period of history but we don't consider that keep us going after all we find in the navi and the samsara points this out that rakha was promised for shavu vulum sam server says that means before mashiach comes so there will be jews returning to land of israel before but to be considered 48 the beginning of the gala it's not the beginning of allah our tradition is meshiach will bring in the gallius says this is the majority view when it comes to keyboard scalias in other words the opinion of the round band the opinion mostly shown him is that keyboards galios will be achieved by meshiach okay yeah have we reached what we call keyboard scalios the answer is no how do i know that because meshiach will do that the romans killed him 2000 years ago that he's not comes so the halachic definition of kiba's goliath has not been achieved for one simple reason why because it will be achieved as a rammam says through mashiach okay let us move on how about how about rejoicing being happy being happy he writes look at number 27 regarding being happy in general third paragraph let's say a person's father passes away rachel son and a big inheritance falls to him so what does he do he rejoices or he mourns he mourns chocola let's say you find a million dollar thing million dollar gem but you're in chicago you may get caught by the government and they may incarcerate you so what do you do you're not going to be happy and i can be happy because what we call yachts says if you find that we've established a country but thousands of jews have been led astray by the founders of the country whether it's they've been removed from their roots or they've been taken away from their heritage to grow up second we're not talking about just what ruben says you know if you want to be secular you could be second we're talking about the founders of the state actively removing jews from tyro mitzvahs which again there are good qualities there are redeeming qualities but we can't ignore the failures and now i want to get into something very interesting okay and this again i'm not saying my own opinion in general okay this is a very interesting question we said that the miracles that happened in 48 yes they were miraculous but they were in the guise of nature they're badass now we want to take it further were they miraculous or maybe they weren't even miraculous at all how could you say they weren't miraculous for the following argument and that is rebruven says look at the end of number 26 and that is he quotes a chuva of the reverse if you want to know if it's a miracle or not you have to know who was instrumental in bringing it about the reverse writes if the people who are instrumental in bringing it about were wicked people then we can't consider it a miracle at all and where reuben writes look the invictus god doesn't even perform miracles through wicked so do we would we according to our bruvane 48 was it miraculous no he would say it wasn't miraculous there was some sadique in there he was fortuitous put it that way were they fighting in the war we're learning that's what reuben says we're going to talk about we're going to discuss this a little bit more atlanta are you telling me there were things items that happened in 48. okay we're going to discuss that i'm not arguing with you not saying there were a miracle but you have to say that it makes you scratch your head hashem was there i used to work that's what you would think and then i want i'm going to read to you an eyewitness report and you'll come to your own conclusions okay how many eyewitnesses let me i have a lot of information to present again i'm not presenting my own opinion i want to uh you to have a more wider one-sided wider uh appreciation okay let's continue what about but isn't your master a good custom isn't it a minute type cesar bruven even if i want to grant you that it's a minha type but there's another concept that if wicked people adopt a good custom then the righteous have to abandon that custom but what do you mean it's a good custom it's a wonderful custom after all they're showing gratitude to god even if it's a good custom and they're doing it for a good purpose says arun grazovsky it doesn't matter once they adopt the custom and all the good people need to abandon the custom and that's a halal this is not a matter of us he says you should not you should not practice it like it says in the goyan martial says of ruvain but we're going to take it further because it's not even a good custom because if you ask the secular israeli why are you celebrating yoma would he say we're giving we're showing gratitude to god or it's a demonstration of the might and power of the israeli army maybe yes maybe no depends who you ask certainly if you ask the founding fathers they would say it's a demonstration and a declaration of the power of the israeli army if you ask those who instituted it they would say it's to show our our might to the rest of the world if that's the case says then every other observant jew needs to immediately abandon the practice anybody else what anybody i know i have uh i have a good friend who's about shiva and he's become very learned he fought in the army and as you know what do you say hollow he says look i do what i did in my previous life when i fought for the country i never even knew what hallow was and i continued to maintain that minute on this next point okay this is this is for your benefit for your benefit we want to give a another dimension of uh the attitude of other guidelines this is going to be the opinion of the satmareva this is very difficult this is a big summer ever says even further samurai takes it even further and then he says until now we've at least acknowledged that it's a miraculous but under the guise of nature says he does not agree it was miraculous i'll read you what he says i'm not even going to translate it okay because we're on uh i'm not going to translate it it's worthwhile to say the words and uh no it's in hebrew but um it sounds like this number number 27 so again when bruvene said for something to be miraculous it has to take place throughout zadika [Laughter] in this situation yeah the war the zionist against us hey mug you translate the first part of the sentence [Laughter] okay i have a reason why i don't want a chance of this that if a jew would not have torah the jew would destroy every nation in the world so samurai says that's exactly what happened these were yes a jew who doesn't learn torah will destroy any nation in the world vanu rayam zais bakush because as khutzbadik as every nation is nothing competes to the secular israeli shema you ever see a country speak that way against the superpowers of the world the name is garbage jew is gonna win listen to what he says he was in the states before the establishments he says give me one name basically what happened he says history has been re-written it's propaganda to make people think it was miraculous when in fact everybody predicted beforehand that was going to happen okay and then in number 28 if you look further says further number 28 i don't think i don't think that the arab of 1948 is the same herb of 19 2013. that's a very big difference that could be we're not talking about that of 2013. we're talking about the matsav in uh 60 years ago right sir you want to hear what he says opinion is even further even further he says like this we'll move on may love self-understood so if it's not miraculous so then who did it i'll tell you um so it wasn't coming from good sources it was coming according to samurai from and that is a well-known opinion of the samareva in his allah that miracles don't take place through he felt this was not an s it's something called how did he survive himself i'm not here to defend this opinion i'm here to go through the various opinions okay that is opinion of samurai that was the opinion of rubin ravruvain held that since god does not perform miracles through rosham we do not consider this an ace how come one of our greatest breakfasts greatest brothers but not greatest nissan very good yeah but in terms of miracles we don't find that bilham split the sea for us or he brought macas pajaros right let's see that's the pink sound what does rav marsha feinstein say though yeah we want to know how do we view if a miracle occurs through russia according to the view of ramashifen do we consider it a miracle or do we say no god doesn't perform miracles through russia says of moshe this is very important to know number 29 the the fine scene in igor a jew was kidnapped was held hostage in uganda right here they received saved through soldiers is this a miracle is this not a miracle do we say well look open your eyes the reality is it looked pretty miraculous or do we say like the samurai do we say god does not perform miracles through roshan says ramosha mestaber yes it's logical to say this is an open miracle take off your glasses look at it honestly right could i do this could you do this would this naturally have happened no keep it aloha maybe it came about through the kayak we don't say such a thing hashem whatever occurs in this world is through god god does not have the hatuma perform miracles for the jewish people so that they be led astray doesn't it god is the one who wounds god is the one who heals it's not that hashem sends the kakatoma to wound and he heals god god made them get captured through al-sahid salah he saved them by giving them the power to sing i but why would god make a miracle through russia you know what when you go up you'll ask him that question but it's none of our business well who he uses as a tool to make a miracle a miracle is a miracle be an honest person open up your eyes you can't do this this is supernatural the fact that it's couched in teva doesn't mean we minimize its value hashem now we're not going to conclude god won't make a miracle through russia and therefore it must be like the samurai says why did he do this we don't know why he did this we can't explain the ways of god dark hashem are nestaras they're hidden they're secret but how we gonna let's try to figure out why god would do this no it says there might shall find seen you're not even allowed to try to figure out why god would make a miracle through russia who are you we start krishna and hashem this is all we do is we observe what we see why when you go up hashem will explain to you why he chose these people as his tool adam you're going to start asking i don't understand why would god make a miracle through russia do you not ask that question is it a miracle or is it not a miracle oh it's only a miracle if a guy with a big sadiq makes it no hashem will choose who he wants to be the vehicles to which he conducts the miracle why he does that we're not authorized to ask those questions says ramajim feinstein tamim tia in hashem be wholesome with god be wholesome with god means don't ask why see the facts there's a state we have control of the holy land we have control of our country is it supernatural well it's not like you'd see us misrain so maybe we won't say hallow because it wasn't an open miracle but to start to say it was through the kayak but says no we don't say that we're not allowed to say that we're now to start asking questions why hashem would choose a certain person or individual or group of people to conduct a miracle okay rabbi said let's conclude in the following way by the way you know the famous story with uh right the original settlers of the land you know it only says two times in the whole hamish it says there's a third one ish right now we're all the sons of one father so even though they're kalutsim and even though pasano moreno but bottom line is right that was the famous debate between there's another very interesting story you know ref cook uh was very supportive of many good daily israel coming from europe to aras israel so when the tsadic of um itself peterburg came to artistral so if cook went to the port to greet him and he invited ravitzulla to give an address to the assembled gathering ritual says it's not my style to be a public speaker like this he saw he was cooked to save so if cook said the following there's a madrish that ribano says like this the jews should be with me and art israel even if they would get me angry sir cook said you see hashem says even if jews come to eretz israel and even if they're doing and they're doing them and they're getting hashem angry hashem says halabhai if only that whereupon revital patent said that's not what the matrix means the matrix doesn't mean hashem says come and sin the marriage means hashem says i wish you could come and sin but the problem is when you come and sin eretz you saw varmits you out that's what the matters mean the matters doesn't mean that's what hashem wants hashem is wishing it could be but the problem is it can't because there is a very intolerant land because it's it's taki the yoshva that those who are not worthy cannot stay on the land so you have on the one hand you know cook held god wishes we could be there but if we don't we're not deserving unfortunately the verdict of history is and the sad verdict is that the descendants of the founders of the state not only don't live in arts israel they're not members of our people anymore two other thoughts two other thoughts [Music] here today it's not important but i used to live in miami beach and a lot of partial cutting from new york used to cover their condos there among them was a problem and everybody disagree he took off by himself he went to domestically without myself because i i was born in iran and never knew about hitler only when i came to united states i saw people with numbers here so he as he was thinking obviously he showed me the numbers he said if we had the state of israel when they were hacking these numbers in my skin here as a kid it would not have happened okay now the main point let me just say something that we haven't seen the reality is reality yes of course but let me just let me just say one thing let me just say one thing you know for um to even broach this subject to rob him you know you got to give me credit you know i took some guts right [Laughter] you know one thing whatever you do i'm not telling anybody what to do it's not a matter of feeling oh jews died and then we're happy it's not a matter of being happy not being happy it's a matter of halacha that has technical requirements a person could be very have great allegiance to the state of israel that has nothing to do with saying how well a person could be yes yes that it's one package so again i am i am perfectly open to show me inside the sakyam of any paiske that say otherwise i'm completely open to that um let's conclude with two things let's continue with two things you know in uh this week's passage something from the show we say at the end says i will break the pegs of your yoke and i'll lead you upright to arat israel can i ask you a question why in benching do we say something else completely different we don't say god right and tara hashem says i'm going to break the peg of your yoke and benching we say yes hashem will break the yoke so why the khmer says god is only going to break the pegs and invention we ask god to break the yoke okay it's a very interesting shot from omen he says like this he says we're leaving mitzrayim god knows the jewish people are leaving egypt they're entering israel but he knows that egypt was only the first of the exiles eventually we're gonna have to go into many many exiles he gives a following mushroom you have a farmer at the end of the harvest season he takes the yolk off the animal of course how's the yolk attached to the animal with the peg what does he do with the peg at the end of the season he takes the peg he tosses it next year he'll get a new peg and every year at the end of the season he tosses the peg but what happens if the farmer says you know i had enough of the farming life i want to liquidate the farm i'm moving to the big city he takes the yolk and he gets rid of the whole yolk so when we're leaving mitzrayim god says you know what right now i'm removing the peg i'm removing the egyptians unfortunately the yolk still has to be there because you're going to go back into four more goliaths so the pasta says i'm going to break the peg of the yolk but now us today two thousand years later when we're whether we're asked to go to wherever we're holding right i certainly can't tell you what we're holding we don't have to go through any more goal of them we asked you understand forget about the peg take the whole yolk and destroy the holyoke okay one last thing one last thing if you look in the new of rachel look so says god wrestlers crying she can't be consulted she can't be consoled god says stop crying stop crying you'll be rewarded you'll be rewarded they'll return they'll return says the night of yehudah and says rahel sitting on high and she sees cloudy so she's crying about two things the first thing she's crying about is she sees jews in america she sees jews in england she sees jews in hotsaras why are they not in my country so she's crying for them but that's what we call a habit sarah that's half a problem for that she could be consoled what she can't be consoled is she sees her banana vaca but they don't look like her banana anymore forget about the fact they're not in israel they don't look like jews they don't act like jews they're empty they're bereft of mitzvahs that's the second thing she's crying about she's crying about the absence of the jewish people from but even more she's crying of the behavior of the jewish people so the cancellation hashem says mini kailay kami bakri stop crying they're going to return but he says even more ibrahim says means your children will return well you'll still recognize them as bananas that they should return and look whatever your personal practice is certainly even though we're very grateful to have eretz israel we're still awaiting the envoy of raqqa of the shovel abandoned i appreciate your patience and your understanding have a wonderful day you've just experienced another torah class brought to you by torahanytime.com