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Who Wrote the Tanna D'bei Eliyahu? The Incredible Machlokes Be'er Sheva & the Chida {Kesuvos 106a}

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okay good morning friend I could not resist this subject as this is a classic topic and that is the authorship of tan who wrote tan So based on the gar in gar says on the fourth line that ran was frequented by eliahu and he would teach him now if raanan was frequented by presumably that's the Mal and he would teach him and because raan did did this what did he do he told rman that he's disqualified from adjudicating the case and R thought it was because he was related but it's really because he accepted by the way just if I could share with you on chabas WE suggested that you know there's an idea that the 13 PR correspond to and the 13th par corresponds to now the says in that accepts those who do chuva and he doesn't forgive those who don't do chuva the gamar there refers to chuva as bribery we suggest that that's why the sugya of bribery in sh is in the 13th peric of because it corresponds to V which is accepting chuva chuva is a form of bribery anyway so Elio would frequent raanan and he stopped doing it and what did ranan do he sat beus and he asked he requested mercy and oo came when he came he frightened him so what did ra he made a box and he sat before him until he taught him his order okay this is um this is the uh this is the gamar and the question is who wrote Tano we have another reference to Tano the there it says the that God is destined to bring back to life will not go return to their dust okay so let's begin with the the B is one of the early let's see the B was written by you know what I'm going to try something different take a look at this you see this on your screen this is from okay you see this this is um no yeah um it's written by isenberg R Sak isenberg you know what let's try I could get you a better image let's see you s be isenberg let's see if I could get you a better image uh here um nope huh um RAB sakar be isenberg I don't know did you get did you get the maros let me see [Music] okay we'll start we'll start with this and then hopefully we'll come up um okay who wrote Tano so the says like this tan do not mistakenly think that thisan says that it's rather it's not it's the it's the T that is marked and listed in the was an early T and another early T was there's a t he's in the R's to the m so the says that is not but rather it is a Tana called named aah fine that's the opinion of the this is a besides an interesting topic somewhat of a Shas topic because it occurs somewhat uh uh it's not infrequent that that we have t and the uh B says it's it's uh the t Okay so let's get this up you see this comes in the okay letter it's published in Venice one of the classic commentaries on is something called actually I looked up this morning what exactly is Z I think even we've quoted it one time I think one time we quoted it and the says that commentary was published in Prague and there are two parts to it just want to tell you what he says he says it was published in Prague in the year 1676 it was written by Rua it's it's a p that was originally printed in Venice it was full of mistakes and this RAV in his kadus and his diligence Hashem illuminated his eyes and it was revealed to him the true and he fixed up the old no and he made a very long commentary on in three parts and he made introductions one's called Mar Kisha one's called Mar yanuka the first is a of the second is a and the third p is a beer of the 20th perak of Elo Zuta and that perak is very very deep with all kinds of Rin and talum and therefore he made it a a by itself the says I only saw the first toak print not the third and the that gave to the commentaries the father of and the author of okay takes the to task so he says like this I saw in the to there the says and the says don't make a mistake that that but it's the mentioned in the and the repeats this in his ch um close to the end of the sa and the quotes this it's been more than 35 years that I was perplexed with the what the said when the r says in his the read the words wrong the r says it's not and it's one guy his name is so there is no the read it wrong the thought it was and then no it's also it's very clear that what's the r the is doesn't the it was published originally in the year ym the year ym is 358 which is 1598 the first publishing of T was in the year 1598 and this is the you know what how T begins anybody know what are the first words of t and he chased it's referring to being chased out of G Thea of is like thees also it was hidden from the what the writes the was I was just at his house in the old city in Rome um the theer it's a basically a dictionary and he says in his entry for that's our that all the T that are brought in or the or at least most of them are in especially those two garas that the is talking about meaning the about what will happen to the is in with a little bit of a discrepancy which Thea is talking about in his Chas is inut and that the says it's all in t which is written written by why was the Bea why did it suffice for him oh yeah it's it's the Alo in the the ra why didn't he say where this T is in the M why why did the D sha just suffice to say yeah you know who it is it's a t the ra talks about why didn't he try to find where exactly this T is mentioned in now the truth is followed the opinion of the Vera um and he brings what it says if says says the if the if the Tana was the Tana of in the r that it was an early Tana so how could he quote ran and R who are later tan meaning the Baba bring I'm sorry the the sors brings the B and he says if the Ram's correct how could he quote later so the asks first of all why didn't he utilize the argument that it's a s elu that was taught to raanan and that had to have been and not and also what does the mean does ra the one who mentioned like why is he saying and if the ramam is right the ramam didn't chime in on this the ram just mentioned the Tana named a he didn't say anything about speak about this it's the who thought that the and the r is the author of it's obvious one word is mentioned on third likewise the S also thought that when it says R it's two words but says it's one word AO also it can't be that the r it can't be two words because the r only mentions in his that are mentioned in the mishna in the mishna we don't have not and not but we do have in par let's see in do you remember perim do you remember such a uh Tana let's see [Music] by the way there it says who made the different Paras by the way if you look actually looking have K Inus we have not I wonder if there's any connection okay in any event therefore the says the bottom line is it's there's a famous who wrote the says it was mentioned by the r in the and the says the r doesn't mention any the r only mentions tan who are mentioned in the mishna there is no mentioned in the Mish all you have is which is mentioned in and therefore the says based on that t was was taught byi as indicated by Aram that taught it to ra have a great day for [Music] I know her I used to work with her at woodmar rehab center um my question is the uh the kis because I know she's more modern than I am what is your feeling on that for oh man