When One Person Should Be Motzi Everyone in Hamotzi - Mishna Berura DH Siman 176 Seif 10-11

Okay, good morning everyone. We're continuing in Mishnah Berurah daf kuf sameach zayin. >> [clears throat] >> There's a lot of chiddushim there in siman kuf sameach zayin. We learned about the importance of being yotzei amen with the responders. We learned about how the when you're motzi people, they are toffel to you. And possibly if they speak, it will not be a hefsek. Although most acharonim argue on that. Yesterday we learned about an amazing machlokes between the Aruch Hashulchan the Ben Ish Chai versus Rabbi Akiva Eiger and Ramasha whether if you're masupak if you said a bracha, can you say baruch rachamana malka mareh d'hai pita. Today we're learning. We're in the We're in the middle of sif katan nun gimmel. In sif yud, the Mechaber said if instead of hamotzi you said shehakol or you said baruch rachamana malka mareh d'hai pita, you're yotzei. Says the Mishnah Berurah, b'dieved asur b'shtayim. L'chatchila you're not to do either. The after bracha is ne'emar b'chol lashon. Even though brachos could be said in any language hainu heicha d'lo shina klum min nusach habracha. That's if you don't change the wording of the bracha aval hacha achashinu min nusach shekavuha chazal b'lashon hakodesh. But here you changed the nusach that chazal established in Hebrew. It was established in Hebrew. If you say it in a different language l'chatchila it's not correct. But nevertheless, b'dieved hachi yotzei b'dieved. You're still yotzei b'dieved. I'll come on him his good shame because you said the name of Hashem. You said Malcolm and the main subject and the main subject of the will be Marshall have a little command the swimming rid. My recon Malcolm the Omar Murray. It's not enough to say Malcolm like like we mentioned yesterday. Malcolm means Malcolm oil and by the Marshall show me the barrel of her. Well, Marshall has to do with Omar borrow a Malcolm Malcolm oil and show borrow passes. The other side. And shots is Marshall let's say instead of you saying rock money. You said how much I'm that created this bread your yacht say. Where's Mandy? Yesterday we were discussing um What's the reason the said you should say Malcolm Murray the high Peter. The master of this bread. That's not the of the the of the is um Hashem how much I mean or boy ray he created it. Why in the Aramaic version is it's the master of this bread here also the changes the of the who said Murray the high Peter to show borrow passes. Yeah? Okay. Which almost sounds like that the concept that Hashem is the master of this bread is articulating because that he created it. >> [snorts] >> Okay, in my schnitzel name a rabid. I heard my barrack Malcolm. If there were two, or there many, one person makes a bracha for everyone. What is this talking about? This is talking about hamotzi. Why in the world would one person make it for everyone? Lachara it's because of b'rov am ha'jodesh melech. Not like we said earlier that b'rov am only applies to brachas hamitzvah. Here it seems like it applies even to brachas hanenen. V'davka heisevu sh'hu derech keva. By the way, still I'm not 100% convinced because maybe it's only for a pass, which there's an element of mitzvah in achilas pass. Like we saw many times, there are many mitzvahs associated with pass. Maybe b'rov am applies specifically to pass. Maybe it wouldn't apply to an apple party. Let's say you're get gathering together to eat apples. Does that mean that echad mevarech borei pri ha'eitz for everyone? We'll see. V'davka heisevu sh'hu derech keva. That's only if they leaned, meaning they gathered together in a established kind of way. O Or even if it's not derech keva, if it's the master of the house with his family, d'havei keisevu. That's like they sat down together. >> [snorts] >> Aval im hayu yoshvin b'lo heiseva, but if they were sitting without uh being maysiv, kivan she'einam nikvan yachad, kol echad mevarech l'atzmo. Since they are not nikvan together, everyone makes the bracha themselves. So the din that echad mevarech l'chulam is davka if heisevu sh'hu derech keva. >> [snorts] >> Okay. Then I'm going to eat here or over my company if they said let's eat here or in a certain place came and she came to my company Lawson. Since they designated a spot to eat have a cover that feel below a saber. It's cover even if they don't lean. So in China we give them a saber nowadays that we're not working with a saber you Shiva did on the show and I had. Our sitting at one table below show fun. The map of or without a table at one tablecloth have a curious that feel of my car cover the two dummy. Even to the members of a group it's like they recline together. Well I did on and for us I feel like cover my car I kill us and even if they established a place to eat I buy a buy some of my base I or his family or the master of the house of his family loyal my honey. It doesn't help alarm came Yasha with show fun I had unless they said at one table over my car or at one table cloth. So one more time the dinner at one person makes for everyone is only if they lean together with the dark cover or about a buy some of my base I but if they're sitting without a saber then you do not then each person makes the breakfast themselves but if they stated let's sit in this place since they prepared that's cover. Nowadays we don't lean says my car but our sitting at one table or the map of is like a curious. But then the my car but ends up for us even curious my car I kill us does not help unless they sat at one table. Let's see the mission Bora. >> [snorts] [snorts] >> Now, by the way, the the beer says this is only for bread. The beer himself says it's only for bread. So, even though the beer that everyone's referring to is saying the reason why is because of hid the mix up the small off that's only for bread. By the way, the same thing okay, that's a very important rule that is often overlooked. So, let's say for kidish Friday night, only one person should make kidish. Don't ask a guy, do you want to make kidish? No, what do you mean do you want to? Do you want to not fulfill the why are you giving options? Why are you giving options for people not to do it? Don't give you could be him to make the kidish. Don't ask him if he also wants to make the kidish. What about will say that? Also, one person makes the kidish. One person makes the kidish. You're going to say it's not your minute. It is your minute. Well, how do you know it's not your minute? You don't really know. You decided it's not your minute. The is one person makes the kidish. Why? The kidish makes the off. Now, let's see the let's go back for a second. If you remember, we had a question where the mission Bora was um jumping through hoops almost to explain a scenario. Let's see if we can remember what it is. Take a look back in Sif Beis and this will answer our question. The Mechaber said in Sif Beis, "Y'varech hamotzi lechem min ha'aretz." "V'im rabim mesubim, y'chavnu libam l'shmayah bracha." So, the Mishna Berurah there said, "V'im rabim mesubim, rotzim l'zelem im hamesubim rotzim l'zelem b'virchasei." We were bothered. Why does the Mishna Berurah say that? Why doesn't he just say they need to? Why does the Mishna Berurah say, "Ratzim l'zelem im hamesubim rotzim l'zelem"? It's not up to them. Maybe because unless there's maybe it's because of what we just learned, that unless there's some kind of kavius, the din of birkas hamazon doesn't kick in. Meaning, just a random group of people sitting around, we don't necessarily say birkas hamazon. It's only if they, so to speak, intentionally gather together. Okay. Says the Mishna Berurah, "Shnayim mayrabim, nakat lashon zeh." It picked this for the following reason. "Mishna Berurah says hamazon dinu hu davka bishlosha mesubim yachad." By birkas hamazon, it's only if three people sit together. "Motzi'in kol echad es chaveiro. Uvishnayim, ein motzi'in echad es we cannot have one person bench and be motzi the other guy l'chatchila, only by three. "Aval b'birkas hamotzi, afilu l'chatchila, yakhol l'hotzi bishnayim echad es chaveiro. V'ha ta'am mevuar l'kaman reish siman kutsadi gimmel b'Mishna Berurah." Why? At the beginning of a meal, where they're being kavua to eat, then their mindset joins each other. At the end of the meal, it's like this. At the beginning of the meal, they're coming to join, to sit. Oh, that's a cleos then even two. At the end of the meal, they're go Everybody's running on their to their merry way. Call the feed echo in my lucky. Nahar Nahar pashte. So, you can't join unless you're three. You hear that? That's the the at the beginning of the meal, they're coming to be At the end of the meal, they're coming to be mafred. So, at the end of the meal, you need three people. I mean at the end of the meal, if you have two people, one cannot be friend. Nun hey. Hey say book in my dark and my dark Martin out today and this was the dark [snorts] in their killer. The dark to lean on their side on their left side on a bed. So, either they're has say boo dark killer or they're with a base mission day. The bias are negro after the bias to who may save. He's leaning the with stuff in a few Shiva grader. Therefore, if they're sitting even if they're not leaning, they're bottle to him. However, if they say let's eat in this in this place, it's killer. Even with stuff in even if each person is going to eat from their loaf, it's their stuff. Nowadays, we don't lean. Our sitting at one table or the map of is a cleos. The as a few of May have a Buddha. Can save the two dummy. What does that mean a few of May have a Buddha? What is the inner bias of May? a fellow means even if they're not residents of your home. The two are feeling the Gomorrah. Have a say but the kind of because residents of your house are like they leaned and they're even if they don't lean. Now we're talking about non family members. Now what does the Khabura mean and for us even makan lasan? Let's read the mission Bora. We even for us for the light him I don't say that he is Shiva done. Have a the two don't say since our sitting is like they're leaning. The Khabura said that nowadays that we don't do our sitting is like they're leaning. In came the light by maybe in a situation where you don't need a say but for example could go in let's say you designate a spot the camera kind of playing it. So maybe when you don't need a say but then a fellow or the fellow we don't need a say but the lights are say but then maybe you don't need your Shiva smoke on have a minute and they don't want to feel your Shiva commercial Milan that when you don't need a say but namely this man has a Don't say that since our sitting is like they're leaning. So in a situation where you don't need leaning for example you're makan. Or a fellow bias, maybe you don't need the sitting either. No, kamash mal and the boy yeshiva mikri kava. The grass says that the words are agav shitve. But you don't need a map if you're la yachad. Bottom line is By shala shudas, is it correct for everyone to make a bracha on their own mishnah? In most shuls they give every person mishnah. Is that the right thing to do? Or do we say well since you're pushing up against shkia, so it's better to make the bracha before shkia than to wait around for the that's true. It is better to make the bracha before shkia than to wait for but you know, all things aside if you're not pushing shkia, it is not correct for everyone to make their own mishnah. Or let's say at the at these simchas, you know, they give everyone their own mishnah and everyone does it on their own uh Now I'm not saying I'm waiting for it. There's no way I'm going to be waiting around for another 3 minutes until everyone else gets their act together. But I'm saying other people, what should they do? You know? Um If you could set up a situation where you have is a very neglected idea. Everyone likes to do it. Now, the truth is we're going to see throughout the mishnah has disbanded. The reason for that is if let's say while the guy was saying hamotzi lechem min haaretz, you were in you know you're outer space. So then you weren't yoitzei. So you ate hamotzi, you ate bread without making a bracha. No, I was there. And I don't care that you were in the room. You were not paying attention. That's why we do not use borei pri hagafen for benching. It is just too long for people to focus. The fact that we do The fact that we do shomea kolenu from Megillas Esther is a chiddush nifla'ah she'ein kamohu. How in the world are people going to pay attention for 45 minutes? That's why the poskim recommend you need to be pointing to the place. Otherwise, if your mind drifts, maybe you're not yoitzei. Birchas hamotzi, we do not use shomea kolenu. And the real problem is kiddush Friday night. People are going to be focused for 3 minutes. That's why maybe it's not the end of the world if you're mechayev somebody to make their own kiddush. This will basically what you're saying is pal, there is no way you're going to be focusing on every word of my kiddush. So for your own benefit, I'm being mechayev you to mekayem the mitzvah d'oraisa of zachor es yom hashabbos lekadsho. Cuz if you're going to be listening to my kiddush, there's not a chance in the world you'll ever be yoitzei the mitzvah. So maybe the same thing with the seder, you know, we don't No, but but I'm serious. If people are not focused on your kiddush, they are not yoitzei. They're not yoitzei. Okay. Now if their mother isn't Jewish, then they don't have to be focused on their kiddush. They still can't bring a phone into shul if I am never But they could be yoitzei, but they don't have to listen to your kiddush. Okay, we'll hold it over here. >> Recording stopped.