What Is the Shiur For Kevias Seuda Regarding Pas Haba'ah B'kisnin - MB DH Siman 168 Seif 6

Okay, good morning friends. Welcome aaren. There are certain memorable parts of I think is from the most memorable maybe even from the most important in just quick recap said that on is quoting the gum in you make a noise and an but if you eat a shir that other people would usually even though you're not full, you make. So, let's say like this. Let's say most people uh if they would eat two chocolate danishes, that would be a meal cuz it's it's it's a very substantial amount. It's many calories. It's it's a large quantity. And you you could pack in another four of them after you finish the first two. It doesn't matter. you you it's it doesn't go by the person himself. It goes by people. Let's review the Mishnab and literally is from the most important Mishnaburas in safer Mishnaba. He quotes I mean it's interesting this doesn't even tell you which say it. He says the mug of which means it's it's unanimous namely the right if you eat an amount if you eaten you have to eat an amount that other people typically would be satisfied by and if you so in other words like we said yesterday uh if pizzas pass a kissnut you have to eat two slices that other People would normally be satisfied by if you ate it with meat or other things that go along with the bread. Now the daru brings from that this is a very specific term. When we say basar we're referring to something eaten together with the bread. It's not talking about a steak. You don't usually eat a steak with the bread or you don't usually eat fish with it has to be something that's used eaten together with the bread. Lifton is only mitarif to the pass. By the way, that's why it's called lian li. I mean, think about the word lian. It's lian. It's eaten together with the bread. That's why I say if somebody I'll explain in a minute. If you eat it with meat or other things that are malafes to pass, it's enough to eat the ash that other people would be satisfied with when they also eat it with other things. The example we gave yesterday is if pizza's passen and you have one slice and you're not full and most people let's say are not full with one slice but you ate one slice together with French fries and that does fill you and that is something that would fill other people. So then you would have to wash and bench. I would say French fries is lift. People eat it together. It sort of goes together with the pizza. Sometimes people put it on the pizza or they eat it while they're eating the pizza. As opposed to, let's say you have a pizza and a kesh. The two things have nothing to do with each other. You don't put the kesh on the pizza. You don't eat it with the pizza. It's a separate Well, let's say you eat a slice. You ready for this? And falafel balls. And now you're full. that you would not necessarily wash and bench if pizza is pasta kissen cuz you don't put falafel balls on the pizza and you don't eat it with the pizza. It's sort of a separate food. It's not a lifton. Now then the mission brewer said if you ate the pasobissen by itself and you're satisfied even though other people would not be but if they would eat it the in other words you ate one slice and you are full now other people would not be full but if they would eat a slice with French fries they would be full then you still have to wash and bench. Now we're up to the bottom the final words on the page. regarding making an what is the sheer suda what is the typical sheer suda the suda who him it's three or four eggs the daru says well which one is it is it three eggs or four eggs what do you mean three or four this is here why why do we don't why do we not But he does point out of it that the is like that it's for why the explains that since this is more like the sh is even though at even though it's it's and the stifler agrees also says no you should be careful not to eat three bayum let's see what this means what is the share of four bayam according to the it's 200 100 kilograms. I'm not sure what that's referring to. Okay, let's see a little bit further. So, we say the suda is three or four eggs. Many say the is also three or four eggs. Many among which are the three or four eggs are not going to cut it. That's a share of breakfast which says who says why would it be dependent on it's on what people usually eat as a meal, which by the way, the dear says that's four eggs. That's four eggs. So therefore, No, I'm sorry. Let me say that one more time. There there's what is it the shear of auim which is three or four eggs or is it breakfast or supper which is much more than that. Okay, breakfast or supper is much more than three or four eggs even though you only have a coffee and maybe a you nibble on something. That's because you were not you're not to eat breakfast. However, breakfast is much more than three or four eggs. So now which one which one is it? Are we do we hold is three or four eggs or do we hold it's much more than that. So you should be not to eat four eggs. That's the shear of a Ru asks Rev Mosha why four? Why don't why aren't we Makm on three? Because didn't he bring in the beginning that it's three or four? So why shouldn't you be mm on three? The answer is says cuz really theas the suda is much more than three or four kashir breakfast or supper. So therefore, if we're going to be Makm, you only have to be Makm on a on four eggs. But we're not going to go so far to be Makm on three eggs. Rebel Yash is Mahm even on three eggs. But we're learning the Mishna Buru here. The Mishab holds no. You only have to mak on four eggs. Now says that don't forget the mugram who says lian is to the kia suda. So therefore, if you're having a big meal and you have one tiny little miniature potato kesh and the rest of the meal is fish and eggs and meat and you got to be careful. You ready on now? Um, okay. You ready for this? This is key. This is clutch. Okay. This is this is a very important. You say that's not what I said in the beginning of the year. In the beginning of the sh I said lifton is only something eaten together with the pass. Okay. That's the leniency of shaman. The shaman feels the mission of bur holds that way. holds this way and holds this way. However, and alfos holds that if you eat a big meal like this, you ready? You ate for supper, I don't know, you ate a steak and you ate mashed potatoes and you have a tiny piece of cake. You have to wash and bench. What? Yes, cuz you're suda and passen. No, I wasn't. I had a tiny piece of Yeah, but the mugram says lift is Yeah, but that's not lift. That's not says it. I hold it is lift. What what I said in the beginning lift that it's something eaten with the kiss like French fries but not a kesh. That's and that is the opinion of the and I would say that's what the mission of bur holds says any eaten with other food the other food is according to the to make it even a piece of cake you hear like this you have a regular meal. You have a piece of chicken and vegetables. You're a healthy guy. No carb. And afterwards, you have a tiny piece of cake. According to much, you have to wash a bench. >> Shouldn't there be a between cake on cake? If I had a little chicken vegetable and one of those little carrots being on the plate, it's being served with the food. So, I'm going to say, "Okay, that that's even though maybe it's not technically together, but you say cake is not you're not a sudo. Question question I want you to recalculate right now the number of calories you had in supper. >> You add the cake or you don't add the cake. You add the cake. Raosha says you have to wash a bench. I would say anyway. >> Yeah. Exactly. That's why you have to wash a mench. Exactly. Because it's a shila might be so usually we're but now I'm so have to wash again. I don't want um I want to word this very carefully based on the way I'm reading the Mishnaba. I do think the Mishnaba would be lenient that the Mishnu would hold its dafa lift eaten together with the pass. This is a if indeed the mission brew is lenient. Yeah. If indeed the mission is lenient, you have the right to follow the Mishnaba. And it's Roma Zman writes that the Mishnabura holds only things eaten with the Passabakis. Not usually I would follow Rav Mosha over Shamaza was the of America is saying what the mission of Bura holds. So now you have a mus and rais when they when there's mishnab and mosha they always follow the mishnaba unless mo is on aisa would this be a doa I would say on the it's a you could be lenient but on the it's a da so you're maybe you should wa you should wa according to you should wash and bench I'm not another thing is it's hard to understand you know >> so how do they ever serve a cake at a kid how do who's [laughter] you want to know at a kiddish you would have to wash and bench according to Mosha, >> right? >> You you most definitely would have to wash and bench. Yeah. According to a Moshe, you would have to I mean, look, according to Mosha, if you had cake and a piece of potato kugle, that's not three eggs worth, you know. But if a guy has cake and potato kogle and scholant and kishka, yeah, he has to wash and bench. He has to wash and bench. No question. No question. I mean um Mhm. Yeah. By the way, it's not just for I mean like this even at a regular kesh a guy has herring and crackers the crackers are passen he's eating it with it's for sure lifon it's for sure the the fish the herring becomes lift and now he's having chill I would say even according to the mishna brewer he has to wash and bench a guy at a regular kdesh he has herring and crackers and kougal and he should wash and bench, go home, you know, wait a half hour and then he'll have shas, you know. Okay. Um, >> is he eating enough? >> By the way, by the way, on there's a very big Shila, you know. What do they have? Abyssal hurrying and a piece of kgle. No, that's not a What do they have? They have would be considered like the compared to what they had at at these kadushe. Okay. You're allowed to be before according to Misha. No, it's a big issue. That's what SHs rely on. Anyway, I'm not saying that you have to be like, but I'm pointing out there's a very big is how you understand this that lift is so according to the simple reading of the Mishna I would say like this. Everyone would agree a slice of pizza and the French fries would be considered a lifton. One slice, one fries, you got a wash and bench. According to everybody, a slice and a kesh I would say according to the Mishna Bura, you do not have to wash and bench unless you are full, which by the way, most people will be full. If if you particularly are full, then you would have to wash a bench. If you're not full, so according to the Mishna Bur, you would not have to wash a bench. And according to Ra Mosha, you would have to wash a bench. What about according to Ra Mosha, you're having 20 falafel bowls and a half a slice of pizza? You got to wash and bench. What about if you're having a ninth of a slice of pizza and a big piece of salmon? You have to wash and bench. What if you're having two pieces of salmon and a tiny piece of pizza? You have to wash and bench. What about according to Mosha? You're having a regular meal with a minuscule piece of cake. You have to wash and bench. According to Mosha, if you eat any cake at all during your meal and your kauda during the meal, you have to wash and bench. I'm pointing this out not to be m on you, but to realize it's a very big. I'm not coming here to say you need to do that. just pointing out there is a that you should I guess should be thought about that in a situation where you're not sure what to do sometimes it's kadai to wash to take a piece of bread and wash this way you avoid any issues you know in other let's say you have a regular meal now you want to have a piece of cake I'm not saying you're m to wash and bench even though might say you you should but before you start you know on a you know where a person said I'm not really in the mood of washing and benching now you have to you might maybe you should but you should have in mind that there is a that if you're suda and there is in it you would have to wash and bench even if it's not lift done although we're pointing out the mish does not seem to hold that way okay let's go a little bit further is certainly if it's something that you're even though we're lenient that if you eat three or four eggs you need to wash and bench I'm sorry I'm taking you a little bit later. Okay. Um one one more line. Okay. This is the case yesterday. Um who um Dr. Phil did you ask about this? In the beginning, you had in mind to eat a little bit, let's say one slice, and then in the end, you ended up eating two slices. So, we weren't sure. Do you wash on the second slice? But in the end for sure says now if you are going to have two slices you have to watch and you make you Right. This was a Shila. You started off, you wanted to have one slice and now you say, you know, I'm going to have a second slice. Do you wash on the second slice? No. Cuz right now I'm only eating one slice. If I'm planning on eating two slices, I wash and bench. If I was planning on eating one and then I decide to eat the second, then you do not wash on the second one. Okay. And you don't make on the second slice only what you already ate. But what if I I say, you know what, I'm not going to have one slice. I'm just going to eat another three more. So then you do need to wash and make. Okay. Sorry for uh taking a little bit extra. You'll be off next week. You'll be off. Okay. Um if you want to hang in there for two more minutes. At the beginning of