Waffles - Do You Have To Wash & Bentch? Mishna Berura Daf Hashavua Siman 168 Seif 8

Okay, good morning friends. We're continuing in Zion. We learned three opinions of the first theanel dough with pockets filled with honey or sugar or nuts or almonds or spices. The opinion of the Rambam dough that has honey or oil or milk or spices mixed into it and you are makar the taste of the mero the Rama says no it's not enough to be mak if you're only mocker it's it has to be kimat and that's the minhug interestingly uh the mishabur brought down that why didn't the rama make this comment on the first opinion uh the mish of gimmel says that the rama would make that comment in the first case it has to be by the way the on the word where he quotes that in the case in that it has to bear on Purim if you fill up the dough with sesame it's still bread it has to be really filled up with the uh sesame and the mish says in in most cases our humashen don't have enough filling and our hamash and mish bro says are therefore hami now first of all you could imagine you know it probably wasn't to get sesame seeds in raden you know how many sesame seeds could you get and also their humashen was literally dough and water flour and water our humashen even if there's no filling it's it's cake and you taste you taste the sweetness So our hamashan actually would be two of the categories of pasabakis. It's filled up because there's substantial filling and the dough itself is not bread dough. It's it's cake dough. You know the dough is full of sugar. Okay. Then the brought the third opinion which was the opinion of the or the hy brittle brittle crunchy hardened snacks pretzels or the like that you're the conclusion of the is that we give all of these all of these foods question. What does that mean? Therefore, what? Therefore, it's maz. Well, why not be mm? Why? Think about it. Each kind of the other two opinions say that's not it's bread. So, why why not be mahm? In other words, when you eat a piece of cake, do you realize you're putting yourself in a suffic? Most resh would say you have to you have to make you have three opinions what are each opinion the other two deos say no that's not that's bread in other words a hum something with a filling most will say no that's bread cake most say it's bread pretzels most say it's bread so how do we just the says but that seems to be a very callous approach to this situation and therefore the brings the why don't we say all the which for all intents and purposes means you need to wash and bench whenever you have because most say it's bread isn't that a great question it's not a question on us it's a question on yph why does he Say, isn't his principle you go like two out of the three? Whatever you're going to deem, most reject. So you should wash and bench whenever you have the quotes. Why are we learning today? Because first of all, we I want you to have a good day. Second of all, today's the so you know is the father-in-law. He asks like he writes the gives the following answer. We don't find that any of these actually argue on each other. They each one offers an opinion. what is passen but nowhere nowhere did the theano say I reject cake I reject pretzels the ram didn't say I reject filling I reject pretzels didn't say they just offered a definition but it doesn't mean they argue on the other two that's a it could be they agree and rebel And vizo says we hold like all of these we shine him. Any one of these three categories is not vi. Well, what about the following scenario? What if I'm eating in one bite cake filling and pretzels? So you would think somewhere here is not I mean it we have three possibilities of but we also have 66% that they're not. And if you're going to eat them all together, no says now we we we are pretty sure that this is but as we're going to see it's not really so cuz when you eat cake at the end of the meal you're not making a nice why because it might be a so you're not so sure that it's but that's only because of the of the gravity of a braha. Even though you say so don't eat the cake, don't eat it or better eat it after the meal. This way you can make a mai nice. We don't say that. Okay, let's start. I wanted you to to see that. Um fine says rolls rolls that are needed thickly. It's straight out bread. What does this mean? Says it's made from flour and water like all other bread. Even though the flour is very fine, it's not like crackers or pretzels. Pretzels are very dry. You don't eat them. You just like bite on them and chew them. Okay. So now we're refining for something to be the third category you don't eat. It has to be a food that you don't eat. Nobody eats pretzels. You don't eat pretzels. You bite them. You chew them. You don't you don't you don't eat them. That's not called eating. >> Did we discuss baras and fried dough without sugar? Like that the dough itself is just fried but there's no there's no sugar in it really. >> No, we didn't discuss tiggon. I think we will. Okay. So, the continues, the first category of rolls were thick, but those that are fine that are very thin. If you're Now, what exactly are sounds like something you nibble on? But don't be fooled by the sound of the word says namely the not like the on the bottom it says you mix flour with a lot of water like grits. You pour it on vegetable leaves and it's baked or if it's baked in a pan without oil. I think what this is similar to is fina. Okay, think about what is fina? It's been a while since I had some in the yeshiva, but it's flour or it's oats that's ground and it's very liquidy. It's bila saraka. It's so liquidy that it's no longer bread. It's no longer kneaded. It's not flour and water where the flour absorbs the water. It's very soupy because it's soupy and you pour it on vegetables. The the main point here I'm understanding is not that you pour it on vegetables. That's just what they did with it. The main point is it's very thin. Because it's very thin, it becomes mazy nice. Why it becomes misin? I'm not sure. He doesn't really explain why it's mazy. He says it has to be very thin. It's not so fine. To me, it seems like the reason why it's miso is because it doesn't have a den of bread. It's too liquidy to have a den of bread. Bread is substantive. It's not soupy. Now, I'm not sure if this is I don't think so. I think this is called tavel. So, now we're coming to a new category. The category is flour, water, but it's not substantive. It's a cooked dish. Blinces, no. Blinces, first of all, is eggy. So, it's like cake. Okay. Blinces is, by the way, it's mostly eggs. A blint is mostly eggs with some flour. Now, what do you do if you're suda? That might be an issue. You might have to wash and bench if you have, you know, but I don't know that all blinces are made with flour. It could be some of them are eggs and potato starch. For example, a pesak blases I don't think have flour in it. Right? But if they do have a lot of flour, this is something called a tabshell. It's called biloy raka. So, it's not bread. It's not but it's not and because it's not it's okay that's how we're defining for now the first of is therefore it is the isa it's very liquidy and therefore it's but if you're on it saysim Ah, so you'll say if you're ky suda on fina, you're going to wash and bench. No, you're not. This is going to be a little different than a tabshell. Fina is straight out tabshell. No matter how much fino you'll ever eat, even if you consume the whole pot in the yeshiva that was made for the entire mere yeshiva 8,000 and you personally complete it, you will not wash and you're not bench. That's a tab. This is still very similar. It's bready. How is it bready? Cuz it's flour and water. Therefore, the mish says like this. the bra the vul on the bottom it says I don't know if that's a waffle I'm not sure because it spreads out it becomes very thin It has no status of bread. Now let's see the dar shoe here. again >> waffles describes it as something between two between two pans that heat it. >> Okay, let's see that. This is explaining what they call in Prague valus. He says explains how this is made. You take flour. It's mixed very thin. You take with a spoon from the that the dough is in. You pour it in a mold when you press the two metals together like on a foreman or a waffle maker. It's baked immediately and it doesn't have at all. And even if you're suda, you don't make The deru brings as follows that if the dough is very thick but before you bake it you flatten it out that should be very thin something like a pancake the says it's not bread and even if you're suda it doesn't matter. Doesn't matter if it became thin because of its softness or if you flattened it. Waffles here it's mashma. Even if you're suda you do not make that is the opinion of shinberg. However, Rabos says that once the waffle is made, it's one entity. It's sufficin. And if you're suda, it's a suffic. And you would have to bench as well. What about blind says even if you're suda it's too it's too dark yash says no if you're suda on blinces you have to wash a bench It's it's ofas. In other words, it's not like fina. So, let's just clarify something. What I told Ellie before about blinces, I'm assuming a blint, it's very eggy. Blinces are extremely eggy. that that's why it's not straight out bread. But what if your so we have three categories here that we're learning in we have is straight out bread and you make then you have raqa that's very thin it's very fine it's very watery you have one category that's so watery what they eat in Prague and And it spreads out very fine. And that even if you're suda will always be in and it appears that the and shinberg would say that a waffle would be like the vala pelasticus of Prague that are so bleos on raqa that you there's it's not possible to be kaud on it to make it ham. Rab disagrees. But there are two categories of raqa. There's bilasa of the that if you're suda on it, you can make it. And then there's bilasan raqa of the prague akila where it's so light it's so fluffy it's so liquidy that even if you're suda you can never make it and and the case that is discussing that it's so that it will never become and is if It's you know what about pancakes? Same thing. What about a p you know you're having pancakes for breakfast says no even if you're suda it will never become kapas gamura. On the other hand, pancakes are not baked. I'm sorry. Pancakes are fried. If you fry something, it might be like cooking it. So, pancakes are different than waffles. Waffles are baked or they're made in a waffle maker, I think, which then means um like the way the shar describes it. A waffle is a bigger concern of hamozi and than a pancake. A pancake is fried. Frying tigun is suffic bishel. Once something is cooked then it becomes a tav shell. Doesn't matter how much you eat. It never will be the waffle though because the way it's made is a hot iron underneath and hot iron on top. It's called miad. I'm not sure actually how do they make how do they make waffles in uh >> you have to put oil on that. >> What? You have to put some oil on the waffle thing or else it sticks. >> How How do they make the waffle? They make it a waffle maker or they put it on the griddle. >> That's the pancake is on the griddle. And they're not putting much oil. They're just using a smear so it doesn't stick. It's not really getting fried. >> Yeah, but but um a pancake is made in a frying pan, isn't it? >> You could put on a griddle, too. Anything cleft. It doesn't really need oil. I mean, it just need a drop so it doesn't stick. >> So, you're saying it's not really frying it. Pancake is not really fried. It's more made on a pan with fire and the oil is just there so it doesn't stick. >> It's the same. It's the same. It's the same material as a waffle. Just a waffle as a waffle maker. So you could squeeze it on both sides. On the pancake you're flipping it on both sides, but at most mixes you can interchange the waffle and the pancake. >> I hear I hear. So it could be I could be, you know, you can't really consider a pancake being fried. So let's say it like this. >> Cooked and baked. It's more cooked than baked. >> It's what? The pancake is still more cooked than it is baked. A waffle in here. It's being pressed on both sides. There's heat coming from both sides. And that's what's going that's what's baking it versus the pancake is being cooked from the bottom. >> You can bake in a pan. There's a lot of techniques of taking dough and putting in a pan and baking it. It'll make a bread. >> So, okay. One one thing I could tell you with certainty is that there are two categories of raqa. The category of the if your becomes the category of the Prague food does not says a waffle is like the Prague food. Rabbi Yosha says, "No, you got to be careful." Waffle safety. If you're suda, I can't say I was I don't remember ever being ka suda on a waffle. I don't even know if I can't even remember if I've eaten a waffle. I've definitely eaten one in my life, but it's not like uh maybe we'll go out after we finish. We'll have a we'll have go out for waffles for breakfast. Okay, let's hold it here. Uh, these are the general principles and then we have to see how they apply. I'm going to do something very short today. Recording stopped.