The Status of the Area Above A Shul - Mishna Berura Daf Hashavua Siman 151 Seif 11-12

progress. >> Okay, good morning everyone. We're continuing in we're up to however I want to try to take a look at the said in we mentioned yesterday the is like the Russian so tonight only helps. Nevertheless, there are basic tashim that Tanai helps even beho helps with all except for however the said that's only the and the said well according to the it would help for basic What's the reason why only helps in the Bruins said the reason is that the shs and do not have eternal kadusha because when the comes their kadusha will leave. By the way, what is that process that when Msiah comes, that's based on the garill that they're destined to be uprooted and go to at that point. Let's try to get some some idea what this is saying. regarding this doesn't help. We could look into this. This is not unanimous. Why doesn't say explicitly tonight doesn't help only that in they're made with a specific stipulation. It goes without saying if you explain it that we assume it's built with a all you could infer is that it's not built specifically with a but if you were to make a then it should help. You could make a Tai on a mantle for a safer. Why shouldn't you be able to make a Now we did have a Sara that it could be for a does not help as much because there needs to be a place dedicated for people to gather for. So even though the sh does not have as much kadush as kadusha we did have avara that because of the need for to have places where people gather that maybe a is less effective. But now the says on the second wide line. But even if you want to say the way the mugram learns that it's not that they make it in that inl they did make a and therefore it works because they did but in which implies maybe in it would not work even if they did you can't infer Then it doesn't help. All you could infer is in they would typically make a they would not typically make a but you can't infer from there that if you did make a wouldn't help. Even in itself nowadays the truth is says in other words is saying something very simple. If you learn is that in minam they made to know him then all you could infer is that inhast it wasn't it it's not a presumption that it automatically is built out tonight but if you did should work likewise if you learned the gar in they would typically make and and in they wouldn't typically but if they did it should work the truth is says There is no source that if you make it tonight shouldn't help except for this tonight. The only source of this is doesn't help. Therefore, why comes in the end? We won't need this. It will destined to be destroyed. Therefore, the helps so long as it's destroyed that it will never be. So therefore tonight does not help. But what about the hold maybe there is no difference between and meaning the between may only be that we're dealing with but according to let's say Rashi who holds that tonight helps even beh and even though I I would ask yes there is a difference maybe init since it will never come to be so the kadusha is so therefore tonight doesn't help and it one day this kaduca may leave so >> I'm not sure I hear the kasha >> probably how is kavana different from how is kavana different from the sacred >> I hear why why is it that you can make >> charge 36 >> I I hear that but in terms of what he says that the of is only in the world of but not behi I think I could still make that split even beh in other words the the split is based on the fact that in the ins it's not so why can't you make that same split beh as well okay there's a second there's a separate question we know helps even mitzvah okay which by the way we saw to remember where that maybe it's harder to make a tai on a sh than on mitzvah. Anyway, anyway, let's read the upshot of the it's 1 2 3 4 five lines before the end of the what emerges from this. There are three different levels great even in Flatbush Williamsburg. You cannot make noise. You cannot joke around even if he made it tonight. What about even in what about in you could eat in a shul when it's destroyed and in Israel you cannot eat in a sh when it's destroyed. What about to eat an ashul when it's standing? Nobody says you could eat an unless according to you could feed their okay that's the raja and the what about could eat in a in a sh if it's otherwise it's going to disturb his learning. What if you go into a shaw and you want to learn one day and if you want if you're going to have to eat outside, you're going to have to go home and it's going to disturb your learning. I believe the mission said you're also allowed to but as a matter of course to eat in a you can't eat in a not in and not in you have a group you're going on a tour you need a place to eat you can't eat in a shif by the way that's according to the we said that were lenient were lenient and the proof is tick which is sorry to have to keep on rubbing that in, but says okay. Oh, now we're going to learn about. So the first floor is a shaw. Second floor, the Rebel lives on top of the on top of the shaw. Not so you're allowed to do that. You have to be careful from using the second floor of for a set to sleep there other uses. However, says all of this is talking about that is set that was built for that but a house But a house that after it was built, it was designated for a shul on the first floor of you could go to sleep there. So basically, you built a house and then you say, "I need a sh." So you're ding on the first floor. You could live on top of it. But if you have a shul and then you want to rent out an apartment on top of it, you can't do that. [snorts] If I'm not mistaken, there's a frightening story mentioned in the Taz about something that happened to him because he lived on top of Ashaw. I don't know if the mission brings it down. Let's see. It's that to lie down there occasionally it's because occasionally lying down is not called you could be. Now I have a question. Let's say I'm learning in a tired and I have to go so and I want to lie down. Could I take three chairs and lie down in the shaw? The answer is yeah, we had that before that people are learning in that's Yeah, you could. You're allowed to go to sleep. Okay. Which sometimes I have to do. Okay. So, um, but that's only if you're learning in the sh. can't go into a shul to lie down if you're in the middle of learning and otherwise you know it would be a it would disrupt your whole schedule. In other words, you need eight minutes, you need six minutes, you need five minutes. In other words, do we compare it to the second floors of the of the mikdash that are not sanctified or since it's called a small temple maybe it should be compared to the second floor the is it like the aliyah of the azara or is it like the aliyah of the if it's like the it's like the aliyah of the it's the says the suffic is not actually is it like the aliyah of a or the aliyah of an azara because the aliyah of a was neveradesh it's not niscades However, since we find that the aliyah of the if you use the aliyah of the bases, maybe it's like a biz also the says this is not really the suffic because the mdash we find explicitly they were mad. The question is is it proper to make in the mikdash to the but there's no fundamentally the second floor of okay based on what the brings from the who's the parad the raam Yeah, based on what the brings from the you could be lenient for all except for on top of the What if you have a house that was made after certainly If [snorts] when you built the sh they built above it. You're allowed to live there. So I don't understand. Let's say you have a woman's section on the second floor. You can't have a bathroom on the second floor. By the way, what's the reason you can't have a Dunaf? The Taz says it's a mo will bea. So I guess that's only if the bathroom is over the sanctuary. But if it's off to the side. So does that mean it's user to have a bathroom above the sanctuary? Lisa, let's say the women's shul is not the same size as the sanctuary. You're not allowed to have a bathroom anywhere above the vicinity of the sanctuary. Yeah. By the way, it's interesting the dur quotes the taz. The only thing is the does not agree with the look in the after. Let's see what is um we have to get up to it in the Mishnabura. Where is the going on? Okay, we'll have to see because the having a mo above the sanctuary prevents from going up. It's not that far is not um back to the Muna Kaz. How about we're going to explore this further on Monday. Okay, we're gonna hold it over here and we'll pick it up uh a little bit further on Monday. >> Recording stopped. He's setting the story to tell for the next