The Chasam Sofer's Position on the Coming of Moshiach Based on the View of the Abarbanel

okay good morning everyone we have very important share today today's share is dedicated by our dear friend Gordon zaltz in honor of the upcoming yard site of his father gavid whose yard site is on Whose yard side is on family for yesterday after we discussed the amazing question of the in the who remembers the question just the question is says in his view no one could seriously consider that the belief in the coming of Mia is one of the tenants of Judaism you hear this question why because what's the definition of Anar Anar is something that the rest of the edifice stands on you can't argue that the belief in the coming of Messiah is a fundamental principle that all the rest of the Torah stands on I understand the belief in Hashem is a principle upon which the whole Bion stands on Divine Providence is a principle upon which all the Mitzvah stand on the divine origin of the tah is a principle upon which all the Mitzvah stand on but how could you say the coming of Messiah is a principle upon which the rest of the edifice stands on let's say heaven forbid we would be in gas forever and God so to speak has permanently severed ties with us we still have to keep all 613 now says this is not to say that if you don't believe in Messiah you're not a ker of course you're a heretic if you don't believe in the coming of Messiah if you don't believe in Mak you're also a ker if you don't believe in the is not divinely given you're also a if you don't believe in any the question though the raises is why would the belief in the coming of Mia be one of the principles of Faith yesterday we offered two approaches to explain why the coming of mhia could be a principle of the fa of Faith to this morning I want to share with you because before we wrap up the subject ofua which I want to remind you do you have your handy um bookmarks of the 14 times in daving you could await the coming of Messiah you have it take more you have you have you have enough bookmarks just give him an well he could give him two take um so this morning we want to explain give Gordon a bunch okay the this morning we're trying to explain the opinion of the again yesterday we tried to explain what the in the r is why in fact one of uh that the belief in the coming of mhia is one of the principles of Faith but how do we explain the says he doesn't believe that anyone actually holds it's an ior what do you mean he doesn't believe the ram said it the ra said it so I want to share with you this morning I think it's clear that the's position is based on the of the in the you know the wrote a saer about he wrote a Trilogy three volumes on the coming of mhia he wrote yeshu he wrote three volumes on the coming of mashiah Andel gets into the between the r and the regarding the principles of we know the ram set forth 13 principles of faith and the says there are only three principles of Faith the reality of God Divine Providence and the divine origin of the T and therefore the asks on the r many many questions uh for example the asks on the rambam how could belief of mhia be one of the there's an and you know says there there's no mashia so ask the so what the r would say was so clearly the says that the belief in Mia is not one of the which by the way the says all meant was not that there is no M but that Mah is not a person Hashem will redeem us but the says but if anyone today were to say that m is not a person Hashem will redeem us they would be an because we don't pass like but still argues that nobody would really seriously maintain that belief in mashia is one of the principles of Faith so the question is but the ramam said so the ramam said that so what doesn't believe the ram said that the r wrote so I want to share with you the opinion of the we once learned it in a on and I reviewed it last night and it's very worthwhile to remember this the Abel mentions that the rambam codifies but does anybody know where the ram codified of the Y in his commentary to the Mna so starts by saying what does that mean there are 13 principles of faith if anyone questions any MIT on the T let's say somebody says I don't believe in ctis I don't believe in shatas I don't believe in any Mitzvah what do we call such a person they're Naas what if somebody denies one p in thees they're heretic what if somebody denies one letter in thees they're heretic so that means every letter is an you can't say one principle is more fundamental than another principle question asked Abel he says didn't say I'm sorry didn't re say in this week's we read in it's the general principle of the is that one of the do we say that's not one of the so therefore says theel that we have to be Mamet for the rambam the rambam never intended to make and the proof is says Abel we're going to we're going to learn four proofs but the RAM did not incorporate tal as one of the Y but is the most important Mitzvah the most important Mitzvah in the Torah is learning why isn't that one of the Y says Abel you need to understand this historically when did the rambam write his commentary to the mishna when he was a young man what language did he write it in he wrote it in Arabic who did he write it for the r wrote it for people who are not learned who don't learn gamar all they learn is mishna and he wanted to give them some basic ideas of Judaism but it is in no way authoritative it has no standing Hally or even there is no real concept of 13 principles of faith says says did anybody ever look read theim the r doesn't say one word about 13 principles of Faith inim which is more important his commentary to the mishna or by far says marim is much more important the ra wrote marim when he was when he was already a seasoned Sage he wrote his Parish to the mishna when he was a young man he did it who did he write it for the to the beginners who are learning the ra never wrote for those who are that his main work is and not his par and therefore theer and raash who ask on the rambam oh why did you count 13 you should have only made 13 says they made a big error the error they made was they thought the ram really was codifying there is no real concept of 13 principles of faith it is not a fundamental idea it doesn't really exist says in truth every Mitzvah is if you don't believe in any detail of the T it's heresy there is no real concept of 13 principles of faith and then AB brings four proofs proof number one if there were really 13 fundamental principles of faith upon which everything else stood on then why didn't Hashem communicated to M he should have G given 13 Commandments and they should be there's a God he has no physical parts he's all knowing he's all powerful he speaks to man mha's prophecy is the greatest of all the prophets there will be Mia there will be there's reward and Punishment and yet in the Ten Commandments there's only one or two of the 13 principles of Faith you know why cuz there's no such thing as 13 principles of Faith it's not it's not a fundamental idea in Judaism that they principles of faith if it were God would have t raenu in the Ten Commandments another proof says if there were really 13 principles of faith upon which the rest of the Torah stood then they should have been outlined in the beginning of barus and then from there we would get the rest of all the details in other words if there were principles of faith upon which the rest of the Torah stands then Hashem should have said baras bar like him in the beginning God created I know what you're thinking I reward you I punish you I last forever I was first and last there's prophecy but nothing was ever communicated not in the Ten Commandments and not in the beginning of the tah number three if they're really principles of Faith what is the punishment for somebody who says I don't believe God was first I believe the son came first what do we do to such a person nothing what do we do to somebody who we warn him not to wear shot nness and he wear shot nness we give him lashes so if there were really 13 principles of Faith how does it make sense that the punishment for violating a is worse than a punishment for violating one of the 13 principles of faith if somebody violates a in the T they get punished and yet many of the principles of Faith there's no P punishment if someone doesn't believe in them that indicates there is no real concept of principles of Faith at all and number four says aranel and maybe the strongest of all is that if there were 13 principles of Faith why do we not find anywhere in any gar that there are not in BR not in saned nowhere God in kazal never told us their principles of Faith the answer is the rambam created it he innovated it when he was a young man for people who are not learned but it has no real standing not not Al not really in Jewish thought altogether so when we learned theer's question that he doesn't believe that anyone really maintains that there are 13 principles of Faith so we asked what do you mean he doesn't believe the ram said it no no no knows this I would I would maintain he knows the ramam didn't really outline it for learned Jews he did it for people who don't really have background we have to give them some basic concepts that's the explation of the in my humble opinion those are the four proofs that theel brings that the ram never really meant it again they are if they were really 13 number one it would be in the number two it would be in the beginning of the tah number three there would be punishment for it even more than other and number four don't say anything about it this is what the now writes in the page 138 by the way a little bit earlier the uhel brought another proof namely that there can't really be 13 what about great principles like remembering that God gave the Torah to the Jewish people what about the principle of what about any of the what about to act in a just and courteous manner why isn't that an ior the answer is the Rama was just saying General ideas it doesn't have specific significance that I believe is where the is coming from based on thisel so that is the first thing I wanted to bring to your attention this morning and I'm going to make another uh you know you mentioned how should we view the the 13 principles again according to theel and according to the they don't have significance it's it's just nice to know them on the other hand Rim brisker said that there is a significance to them namely what we mentioned yesterday after that when it comes to other mitv if you don't know it because you never had the opportunity to learn it so so you're not an a let's say somebody doesn't wear tius because uh they never learned about situs then the person would not be in but if somebody doesn't believe in the resurrection of the dead because they never learned about it Sal says they would be a heretic so there is a whether have significance again theel says they do not the says they do not and they sort of say the rambam never really meant it and the ram wrote it in Arabic and the raham wrote it when he was a young man and and it's not meant as a definitive viewpoint on the other hand seemed to have said that there is ific specifically to the but that's certainly how the understood the r and that's certainly how the crash crash understood the ramb so you have these two view views about the uh the um okay I want to share with you