The 3 Categories of Pas Haba'ah B'kisnin and the Halachic Conclusion

Okay, good morning everyone. Ainta, I don't know why they they skip the straight to winter. In America, there's something called uh the fall. Yeah, I'm not winter starts December 21st, you know. Anyway, I hope everyone had a nice Yamiff and we're continuing now in Shua. We're learning some we're actually in middle of a whopper of a And while we're at it, we could be to the mitza of we're learning whatistan is. The bra of pasabakistan is maz. But what pasabakistan is is a matter of great dispute. The Mab brings first the opinion of Raban and the and the Tor and the Rajba that it's bread baked with pockets that are full of honey, sugar, nuts, almonds, spices. Then he brings the opinion of the Rambam. Now this first opinion is referring to something that has a pocket. Even though the dough is literally bread, there's no sugar in the dough. It's just the dough has a filling. And even though the filling is the icker, it's considered uh the dagon is the even though to you the filling is the but the grain in the mazes. If you only eat the filling, you make whatever bra the filling is. If you take out the filling and you just eat the dough, it's still a maz. Why not? Cuz it was baked with the filling and it's not the to be on such pass. Okay. The second opinion, the opinion of the Rambam is that it's dough that you mixed honey or oil or milk or spices, basically cake, provided that the taste of the uh fruit juice or the spices is nicker. As long as it's nicer, if it's not nicker, then it's bread. You have some bread and you you put some uh you know nowadays women bake these kala where they they smear it with garlic or there's garlic on it. That's for sure bread that nobody says that's passen because it's just um to give it a little flavor to make it nice. This is talking about it was baked in the dough and it's nicker. According to the it has to be nicker. If it's nicker, it's misin says, "No, that's uh straight out bread. It has to have so much uh spices or honey that kat the honey or the spices is the and that is the minag. The opinion of the Raama is that if it's not nicker, if if it's only nicker, it's straight out pass. It has to be so much. Let's see where the spices or the sugar, the honey is more recognizable than the dough. the likewise the honey, the oil and the milk. The minority is the water. So that these additives are very recognizable. Not just that it's but it has to be very recognizable. Also the first example that the gave of a filling the filling has to be so much. It has to be very recognizable the says that's what's in the now the Taz comments that why did the Rama only point um comment on this on the Rambam? The Ram says that it's dough that has honey mixed in and it's nicer. The Rama says no not nicker but it has to be. Why didn't the Rama say the same thing on the first opinion namely the opinion of so the Taz says that the Rama doesn't argue on that then and the re says the it's not that the Rama didn't need to make that comment but since it's talking about a filling then by definition it's not just nicker but almost the roy that's the filling of it it's a potato can it's it's a it's You want an onion roll filled with onions? That would be the first opinion. We are. Now, by the way, an onion roll is not filled with onions. An onion roll has, you know, a little sliced onions in it. It's not I wouldn't say it's it has a filling of onions. An onion roll is similar to what the mishab says in lammed. You just have a few onions on the top, maybe a little bit in it, but it's not I wouldn't call it a filling. An onion roll is not filled with onions. Okay. Then we have the third opinion of Let's read that inside. Some say it's bread. Whether they're spices or not, you make them like dried thick things. And you chew it. You bite into it. The says like Khl basically brittle baked dough. You guys wouldn't know what is. It's you know before your time. But in my time they didn't even invent most of the things that they have today. The main thing the main thing was okay it's also last time we said pretzels um just pointing out the is the one who calls it we can like all of these opinions and all of these opinions are they're not brethren says the mission um is going on that it's not enough that the additives are recognizable. They have to be dominant that we bake for bread forn bread with a little oil and some spices. That's what we pointed out that you know our that has a lot of sugar in it and it has let's say a lot of eggs in it that is like that it's very nicker the sugar don't say I don't taste it. Yeah. Well you'll when when there's no sugar in it you'll you'll realize how much sugar there is in it and it also has eggs in it. So we pass and it's the would say it's pointed out the first night of sukus maybe there's a not to have our foray reshine so I I made sure to get sourdough for kazine or the first night of sukus fine It's made from grain and just water. There's no sugar. Let's say a pretzel. There's no sugar. It's not maybe not even fruit juice. But when you bake it, it beca becomes very brittle and that it crumbles. And therefore, so you say, why would a pretzel not be bread? It's flour and water. The answer is because it's so brittle. It's no longer not on it. Remember the main um categorization. I want to refer you back in the end. It's not the derek to be suda. Nobody's kuda on pretzels. I if you're on a trip and um they pass around the big bag of pretzels and you ate the entire bag that was meant for 33 people. Okay, that's not a normal thing to do. Now, you would have to wash and bench on it cuz you were kasud on it. But usually, you know, on the plane, they give you the little pretzel bag. It has 100 calories. You know, you get seven pieces of pretzel. It's not the der to be on that >> pretzels with a dip or pretzels with tuna or something like that as a meal. Then we come back to the Mishna Bura that if for lunch you're eating pretzels with or pretzels with tuna fish and you're sud on it the tuna or the will be mitarif to the pretzels and according to not only the um not not only even according to the bura if you're suda you would have to wash and benches was if you have broccoli ly, cauliflower, sweet potatoes, and then you have some pretzels with it. So, you're not eating the pre, you're not like putting the broccoli on the pretzels. Mosha also says you wash a bench. But Mazama says, "No, that's not called malafas." And Ramosa said, "You don't need to be malas. We still need to see that inside." Okay, look. He says, "That's not called eating. It's called like chewing. It's called like, you know, like what managers do in the dugout. They're just, you know, they just keeping their mouth busy with the pretzel. I'm sorry. It's not the to eat a lot. It doesn't have a dinner pass. Is there different mats? Like what makes something big into a pretzel? It's not just burnt bread, right? There's some there's some different matsas in the recipe in the way. What is the difference in matsas? >> I don't know. I'm not a cook. I >> You knew that. You knew. I'm good. It's good. Yeah. >> Less water. >> Okay. So, what makes it not pass is the less water. >> No. What makes is not it's it's not the dak to eat a lot to be it's a snack food it's a snack food you know they talk about let's say a pa chip a pa chip so it's also it's brittle it's a snack food you have a couple of them however that's only if it was originally baked that way however if you have pa and Then it's getting a little stale. So you say, "I'm going to turn it into a pizza chip." Then it it uh it was initially baked as bread. So it has to be made that way. Yeah. >> Chips. The bagel chips. There's some There are some bagel stores that sell their own bagel chips. It's just their own dry bagels. I might see. >> Yeah. I don't know if it's I don't know if it's just the amount of water because uh let's say a pitha a pitha is is bread. So, and then you make into a pizza chip. You bake it, you know, you don't extract water from it. Okay. Um, let's hold it over here. Hang in there one minute. >> Recording stopped.