SEFIRA FOR WOMEN: The Ramban Explicated by R' Yeruchem Fischel Perla, Avnei Neizer, and Seridei Eish

This Torah class is brought to you by tora anytime.com. Okay, good morning everyone. We're going to speak about a very important. We're sort of revisiting something we spoke about many years ago from a new angle regarding women making are women are women and the Ram says that women are from the Ram in says Why would you think women are putter in the mitzvah of yeah says it's a mitzvah say grandma also says women are not and that's what the writes okay it's grandma in fact you would You could only do it between you could only do it in the night time. So the question is in many girls schools they train the girls to count. They teach them. Is that correct? So you say okay they're not but they're allowed to like any mitzvah. The question is can they make a braha? So the Mishabura famously says if you have on your sheet it's on page shinme test we're reading from the mccroy kaidesh mishabura is in sim tough pay test the mishabura quotes that women are because it's init and says the women have placed upon themselves the says Then that it would seem that women do not it's not the practice for them to count. Says women should not make a bra when they count. Raise your hand if the ladies in your house count with a braha the first night. The first night and then after that night. So says women should never make a not the 49th night and not on the first night. Why? Number one, they're definitely going to make a mistake. There's no question they're going to make a mistake. And if someone's definitely going to make a mistake, they shouldn't count the Let's say somebody knows they're not going to make it through. They've never made it through the There are people like that on the second night already. They they're not counting with a braha. Well, they forgot the first night. So someone who's for sure going to forget should not count with a braha. So therefore, women for sure are going to forget the says and they should not make number two. They can't read Hebrew. So they don't know what they're talking about. They don't know what they mean. It's not accounting. They there's no mitzvah to say, you know, abracadabra. You know the mitzvah is to count. If you don't if you can't understand the words it's not a therefore women should not count with a bigh and they did a mitzvah of itself. Yeah you're right. So it's a whether it's it's separate mitzvah or one mitzvah for the it's one big mitzvah. That's why if somebody forgets a night they don't continue counting with a bra. So if a woman knows for sure or if we presume about someone they're not they're going to miss a day they can't count with a braha. So the I always heard that raash said that man women could count with a braha. Why? Because the two reasons of the mission don't apply. Number one they don't understand lash kaidesh. Maybe nowadays men shouldn't count with because most men don't understand lash kadesh. Women do understand lash kadesh. men many can't read a kish unfortunately if they could read a Mishna it's a but they read a kish it's you know it's so so the the tables have turned and the fact that women are are going to forget no nowadays you could have reminders you could have different ways to ensure that you're going to remember so puskins that women can count with today and I saw last night mccroy kaidesh brings a chuva of kayen you know whose cayenne is kay is the son-in-law of Frank he's the father of the current of kayen kayen he wrote mccro kaidesh when I was learning I had to hear a from kayen he's he was on azdin with yashv he was one of the great sadikim one of the yakalim He quotes the Mishnaba and he says you see from the Mishnab then the earlier generations woman didn't count and I in the girls to count says it's correct why the two reasons don't apply number one in the B they know Hebrew at least as good as men if not better and the other uh factor that they're definitely going make a mistake that moves away because every day the teachers ask them did you count last night? Did you count last night? So they remind them fine. So says man women could count with a bra and certainly but I think you could ask the following pikbuk and perhaps there is a a strong that women even today should not count with number one besides the fact that it's well known that brings from the says women don't count for but besides that on a on aik reason I'll read to you says okay so that could be they're not but let's talk about um I want to mention the following point women will definitely forget what about men no men will remember say nowadays women will definitely remember I want to throw in the following point could women wear fill in Bismana. No. Why not? We know they're putters. It's mana. Are they allowed to? No. Why not? Cuz for filling, you need a gnaki. I'll ask you a question. Men also need a gnaki. So, Mr. Bur says that it's a bigger concern for women. Women will have a harder time preserving a gnaki. That's also a factor under under the says something very important. He says it's not harder for women to keep a gnaki than men. It's the same level. It's just that a woman can't take a chance. Why? Because she's not what's she taking a chance for? For the mitzvah. She's not in for the mitzvah. But she cannot put on film if she doesn't have a gnaki. Therefore, a woman's not to take a chance. So you could say the same thing with there's always she might forget. There are many men who forget. I mean take a poll. How many people make it through the but a man doesn't have a choice. He's in the mitzvah. He has to take a chance. Who says a woman's allowed to take a chance? Who says a woman could risk making a bra if she might forget a man? He he you know he got to do his best. He's in the mitzvah. So man's I he might forget what's he supposed to do. A woman who says a woman's got to take a chance. But then throws in another factor and that this is the what I want to focus on this morning. The Ramban there is a very uh mysterious comment of the Ramban. The Ramban is found in the Ramban is listing the mitzvah and the Ramban saysim rac you hear This famous Ramb says that's another factor that women could count with because even though the Ram would say that women are from the mitzvah of the Ramb seems to say women are in the mitzvah of it's grandma. So all the are troubled are bothered. How could be haz by the way? Um just to point out the they bring that the women in the house of the stipler were mabo the mitzvah of and the stipler would remind them but let's focus on the how could you say that is a mitzvah could you think of a for that why would be in haz gma I'll just point out it's such a difficult comment of the Ramban that says it's a cipher in the Ramb it's a to cipher that originally either when the Ramban was listing belonged in that list and somehow the printers got it wrong and they put it in the list of or it originally said which is And the printers made a mistake and they wrote and then the next printer construed that to mean or it originally said which stands for which women are and the printer thought it meant. So the div maliel says aada nobody could ever say is man grandma I think it's an grandma maybe they were not so they have like different but we were they what we were by believing they were all like women are not either but they were by and they had um commandments that were given to them at that time which places them under same But how could that be in grammar? Different angle. In other words, the factor comes in. You want to say okay says because so you're saying you want to be women in but for a different reason. you you're you're saying really it's mana but for a different reason right okay so it's hard to say that's what the Ramban means because Ramban is listing it as an unless he just means these are mitzvah that women are most of them because and this this happens to be but but for a different reason so I want to share with you what maidesh brings from one of Um his name was Rabi Fishel Pearl. official pearl was he wrote a per on the if you look on page he says like this he wants to answer the based on the shagasilla okay shagasar what's the shagar safill called it's called ten and by the way one of the mitzvah raman lists as the uh by the way over the years we've said many perush in the Raman said the nar said the and the mal this I heard yesterday at the bar mitzvah it was the barit boy so um my brother sent me last night's so this is official pearl says to explain the Raman's is a very beautiful he says one of the mitzvah Raman says of Gramma is the Mishn says women are inurim they just are putter from the ka because they can't say okay what is we know that you could only uh your van your until until a certain point in the in the year. How could you say that is that's the soar says the following says if you want to look inside on page bottom paragraph fourth line he says a mitzvah that's only no at the time the but what if the mitzvah applies always what if there is a side reason why a mitzah only applies at a certain time for example bringing burim why don't you bring before you can't bring before. Why? You don't bring until you bring the why it's and after we're not maybe so you can't bring until you don't bring after it says it has to from and on it's not anymore in the fields says that's not called technically you could bring burim always is a dert study saying that you can't bring it after kaneka why because you can only bring bikurim if the fruit is found in the field it's not found in the field after kaneka so it's not called that it's man really you to do it always but there's a side reason there's a dive you can't do it after because it's not you can't do it before because says according to this would also be technically you could count always but the reason why you can only do it after pes is because you need to be mak the carbon the same way you can't bring bikur until after your you can't do do the because is is there's a study there's a side reason saying you can't start yet namely you weren't macro of the carbon yet it's only so it's not the inherently being it's being therefore the Ramban says this is not called what what ti do you know one pes is which is tied to his mind. In other words, you can't bring the unless right has to do with pes but pes by a time that we're that we make. So it's just one second. You're not counting the based on PES. You don't you're counting the unless one second. Let's talk about the mitzvah at hand. That's what is to p. No, it's on Oh, that's a different question. It's it's the foundation is time bound. It's it's like looking at the middle of a book. Let's talk about why is you can only do it when you bring the but you can only bring on correct from both it's from both sides but that's so you're you're attacking the shagasar shagasar says is why because you could only bringing the bik after the is not called it's a the is a study really I could always bring bikurim Let's say right what's on before no lan is on the 15th day of tish okay bring okay the the the bringing is not dependent on the yumpt of it's dependent on the bringing of the carbon of the of of say yeah but is dependent on so the the trick of the of the shag is that if a mitzvah is dependent on an activity. So that's called the mitzvah is dependent on a ded study. It's not dependent. Now you're asking but the activity is dependent on a time. That's where you step. Yeah. Apparently the shagasar feels that that's enough to get out of grandma. If a mitzvah is dependent on an action, so it's not dependent on even if the action is dependent on. So he wants to extrapolate the same thing when it comes to sphere is dependent on the oh is depend on man. Oh no, that's not called. It's called it's it's shagasari is calling it. That's a shagazari. It's like one name, right? It's not right. Meaning what's go maybe like this. What potter's women's women is a mitzvah is caused by time. Do we look at spir that it's caused by time or it's caused by a misa? It happens to the is governed by but the is not the mitzvah of the is the mitzvah of that's how official pearl says it the question is what does the ram hold the ra says is mangra so he does the ram argue on the shagasar so I mean shagar is is the raikus Raam ram is whether the shagasari is right or not. So says no the raam holds you know that most of you know there's a big sh I personally besides I don't say you know how to say it but I also don't say the word I say because not according to most if it was you won't be allowed to say it's a ste to say and then say make up your mind is it or is it says you cannot say the word say has a way how you're allowed to say it many places say not to say I just take out the word say. That's my personal thing. No. So why do we do that? Hen. Yeah. Say hi. Mr. Bruce says you could say what what is it? It's because so why do we do? It's there. It's there. In the Hagada they have it. Yeah. So in let's say some they put those in parenthesis but they leave in the I'm not saying which ones but the already writes in but I don't think the I don't think the mission said it but it's in Okay, but that's a side point. The zak is like this. The ram holds. How could it be daisa? How could be dissa? Oh, you know how it's dissa? It must be it's not really dependent on the bringing of the cuz it was dependent on the bringing of the then it couldn't be dissa. So the ram holds it's dependent on the 16th of Nissan Ira says when you bring the that's just it's a sim it's just that's just a demarcation in other words says like this the ram is what is go the raan learns what's go is the bringing the carbon it's not it's the Raam learns what's go is the date. How do we know? Cuz if it was the carbon, how could the Ram say there's no carbon? The only thing is says that it's very to say that the Rambam Ramban whether is or not is dependent on whether that the Rambam holds it. Therefore, it's not totally on the carbon. It's dependent on the date. So, it's and the Ramban holds it's dependent on the carbon. Therefore it's because why is that says because then it comes out that there many who hold is like the Rambam and they hold isa excuse me it's the raan. So then why is it man grandma? I want to share with you another perush in the ramban. Okay, this is a nazar. It's a little different than what we're saying from the shagasar. Again, what are we saying for the shagasar? Why is spir perhaps in asma? It's the carbon being it's not the date. Okay, I want to tell you the abnar says does the tora say the 16th of Nissan is the date to count. Ah, it says so it's not the 16th of Nissan. It's the day after the 15th. So it's semantic. So what's the difference between the 16th and the day after the 15th? That means pes is let's let's analyze pes. Do women have to eat matzah on pesa? Yeah. Cuz since they can't eat they have to eat matzah. Are women allowed to eat? No. Do women have to bring carbon pes? Yeah. Cuz since they have to eat matz have to bring carbon. Do women have to eat? Yeah. The safer says yeah. So that means in every element of P. So is not on the 16th of Nissan. It's the day after P. And since women are in everything the ask on the same question I asked on that can't be the Ramban cuz that's saying really it is man but they're anyway because it's a that's not what the Ramban says. The Ramban says it's g and according to this of the really there is this man is the day after the 15th. It's just the 15th is something. So therefore as well that's not what the Ramban says. I want to share with you very quickly the best shot I ever encountered in the Ramban. I once heard this from Schllay Mormon based on Mular and I found that the three day says the same sara I want to talk about the mitzvah of kishana. Do women do kishana? Do you ever see you know nashim getting together Saturday night sanctifying the new moon? there the mishab brings in in the name of women are from it's man gramma I women normally perform mitzvah that are mana so why don't they perform this because they were go havana it's their fault the moon is small it's her fault now one of the greatest mysteries of life is how could we blame for the mad in Halavana when the lvana was made small on day four and kava wasn't born until day six but somehow we blame the ladies for m havana this is one of the biggest cababalistic mysteries the kadesh is very busy with how can we blame nshim in halavana they weren't around by the halavana okay but that's what the mamra brings from the comes Mluger and Rashuger says that he thinks the Mavra made a mistake to say that Kirana is man is man. What do you mean? You can only do it when the moon is small. When the moon is born until it's reaches its summit and you can only do it when at the night time. So is right that that it's man more than says is not ga at all. He says he asks from but there's no way in a million years you could say man grandma. You know what man grammar is? He's not going to have a lul love. The to the lul love. When could you shake a lul love? Technically I could shake it on Tuesdays. I could shake it on tishabove. I could shake it on lag. I could shake it 3:00 a.m. I could shake it in the middle of the day. Comes the Torah. And the Torah says the Torah is magitzvah. You only take the lulav on the 15th of Nissan and you only take it during the day and you take it for seven days. So the Tory is taking something that could have been performed at any time and the Tory is locking it into that's non grandma. But if there's a something that you have to do that's dependent on a physical phenomenon presenting itself and that physical phenomenon is only presenting itself at a certain time. That's not grammar. That's the conditions are only available at a certain time. GMA means you could have theoretically done the misa any time and then the being only do it in the night only do in the day only do it on this calendar date but let's say keshana you could be mad a new moon at any time the only thing is the moon has to be new and the moon is only new in the beginning of the month that is my grandma the mitzah is sanctify a new moon so when is the new the the moon new it's new when it renews it only renews in the beginning of the month that's That's the physical phenomenon is only available at a certain time. You hear the difference. Matah's eat the would have said eat matzah. You would chew matzah day and night 365 days a year. Then the Torah says look I only want you to do it the night of the 15th of the first month. That's manga. Mrma is not when there needs to be something called a moon and the moon needs to be new. So that phenomenon only presents itself in the beginning of a month. So comes a threeish and I once heard this from the same thing with the Torah says count 49 days when theoretically if the Torah wouldn't say when every day you'd be you'd constantly be counting 49 days. But then the Torah says when the sickle cuts the standing grain start to count. That's a physical phenomenon. It's not a date. It's not a time. The only when you have new grain and you cut it. Okay. So now it's it's a little bit the different than what we said based on the shagasar. Shagasari says that the definition of zman is if it's caused by time not caused by action. Even if like what do you mean but the action is caused by time. It seems like the loophole is if it's triggered by an act that's not that's based on says it is man but the which is that women are But the Swedes is saying something different. Sa is saying based on the mam by Kana the mam says could women make a shakyanu on a new fruit. Yeah. You go to you go to a gourmet glat you look at a fruit like you it could have been you went to the moon and you found it on Mars right? Could a woman make a new fruit? Yeah. What do you mean? But it's only it's only uh it's it's a new thing. It's gar is man grandma because uh in a month from now she can't make the braha. Why? Because it was already available before. It's not something available new. That's not called mana. When a physical phenomenon has to be available that's not gramm that's these are the conditions necessary when you need certain physical conditions necessary like kesh that's not called so we have uh different ways of looking at the raan the raana of course again says that has grammar based on this ram yse ken says that women should Again, it's hard to say that women should count based on the Ramban. First of all, the PKI don't really quote the Ramban doesn't bring the Ramban. And we saw the different Mal says the Ramban is a cyer. So to be women based on Ramban is very difficult. But these are three lus and we said to explain the Ramban we said pearl. It's the which is not we said it's not the 16th of Nissan which is go it's the day after the 15th and based on if you need a physical phenomenon to be present that's not called so there are that say the reasons of the misha do not apply women understand the pilomen won't forget we were mayor that even so it could be that if somebody has a suspicion they may forget maybe um someone who's not should not is not authorized to take a chance and make a bra. Have a wonderful day. You've just experienced another Torah class brought to you by tora anytime.com.