Risking One's Life to Save a Jew - Living Organ Donation

this store class is brought to you by torahanytime.com welcome everyone thank you for coming um tonight's here the topic is uh Oregon donation right nothing to do with what you're eating tonight tonight's shoe is being sponsored um by one of uh a good friend of our show good friend of mine a bentayra and one of the young bright stars in Kew Garden Hills Avi Davidoff we have uh father here together with us it's honored to have him and his brother-in-law Mr Alex showman and the whole family Hashem Commerce house libkam late and much future hatslaka and success in all of his endeavors okay a few weeks ago we discussed organ donation and we discuss what is considered halachic death is it brain death is it the cessation of cardiac and respiratory activity tonight we're going to discuss a related topic but a topic in and of itself and that is is it permitted for one to risk their life to save another Jew and in modern terms the question would be presented the following way here you have a patient you have an individual lay eleno he has kidney failure his kidneys are not functioning and a very generous Jew is willing he has a kidney the spare every human being has two kidneys a person could live and function with one kidney as long as you know you don't go uh you're not a professional wrestler or you're not a hockey player or you don't go bull fighting but under normal circumstances a normal human being can function with one kidney is it permitted for a Jew to donate their kidney to another Jew in need is it permitted or and the fundamental aspect of this question is is one allowed to risk their life to save another Jew now in terms of preserving one's own life and the sanctity of preserving one's own life we've come to a very well-known gamara tells us you have two people traveling on the road and one of them has a bottle of water write a famous Camara two people they're walking in the Sahara Desert and one of them has a battle of water but they both are not going to make it because civilization is in 20 miles and there's not enough water to go around so what happens if they both drink it Mason they're both gonna die right if they both gonna split the water 10 ounces of the pollen spring water for Ruben 10 answers for Shimon they will both die the imshos and if one of them drinks it magia liya he will be able to reach civilization that is the scenario that is a situation if the two of them split the water they will both die if one of them drinks the water he will live and the other one will die what should he do what should you do what are you doing on the one hand what are you gonna do you're gonna drink the water and watch your friend die what are you gonna do you're gonna split the water and you both die darash Ben tatura Ben patura is of the opinion they should both drink the water and they should both die better they both drink the water via musu and they both die the Ali Khan How could a Jew bear to see the death of their friend let them both drink the water both with the water they'll both die but how could one take the water for himself and watch his friend die that was the normative halacha until a great individual by the name of Ravi Akiva stood up at least your brother should live with you in other words although it is a great Mitzvah to save the life of another Jew nevertheless it has to be with you which means you come first one's own life comes first God has entrusted every individual with this with the great Sanctified mission of preserving their own life and that takes precedence over everything that's even more important than saving the life of your friend and therefore says Ravi Akiva who should drink the water the one who has the water the one who has the one are you allowed to give the water to your friend that's debatable what you should do is you should drink the water yourself okay so we're learning is no matter how great of a Mitzvah is to save your friend your own life comes first so let's hook up the following scenario we know you're not allowed to give up your life to save your friend what about to risk your life to save your friends you know you're walking down the street and you see a car is about to hit your friend you want to jump in from the car shove him away save his life but who knows maybe that will mean that the person the hero is putting his own life in power is one allowed to jeopardize jeopardize their own life to save the life of their friend is one allowed to be machines can a person put his life in jeopardy to save the life of his friend says the base the eye safe right Yosef writes by the way this is Alaska safe rights holds Ness the opinion of the Usama we know we have two sets of gomaras we have time with you xiaomi we have talmud babli and most yeshivas they learn talmud Babble Tom and babli is studied by Jews all over the world is not focused on as much is also part of the Corpus of the oral law it's part of and says the conclusion of xiaomi is that one is obligated to risk their life to save their friend says that they says what's the logic of that very simple says Joseph my friend that I could save him definitely my own life it's a Suffolk 50 50. if I don't save him he's gonna die and I'm gonna live if I save him he is gonna live and I might also live so what right do I have not to put my life in power to save my friend after all aren't two lives better than one and therefore the base the other state concludes one is obligated to risk their life to save their friend right if we would apply this if somebody saw a car about to hit another Jew he would be obligated according to xiaomi to jump in the way shove your friend aside and potentially risk one's own life that is the conclusion of the usami which the basio safe cites by the way where is this you shami in case you know I know some of you can go home tonight you're not gonna be able to sleep you're gonna be wondering where is that you xiaomi you know you can be tossing and turning so I just want to give you some peace of mind the you xiaomi is at the end of the eighth pack of nasecta true mice in the usami okay don't want anybody to lose any sleep and the you xiaomi and shumo says like this ready Amy was taken hostage now the Emu was taken hostage what happened Sonoma Ryan were afraid to go and save him imagine you have a guy he's taking hostage and his you know with two terrorists with knives at the guy's neck and they're about to chop into pieces and one hamburger says no no I'm staying away I'm not going to save him because if I what am I going to do it he's gonna knock on the door you know dear terrorists you know my friend the other Rob he's you know being incarcerated by you destroy him you know please let him out well you what do you think they're gonna do they're gonna say come join us right and they'll sit him next you don't know chives trap the sky to Pieces also however race luckiest is of the opinion no it says I'm gonna go in there I'm gonna dust off you know my old uh my old grenades and my old knives and my old revolvers you know richlokis in his previous lifetime he was uh he was abandoned so shocker said he's gonna you know take out from under his mattress all his old weapons he's gonna go in there either to kill or to be killed and that's the conclusion of the usami that one is obligated to risk their life to save their friends fascinating it's amazing that one would think that if this is a conclusion of the you xiaomi and the conclusion of the Bayside safe one would think this is Norman of Halal her and nevertheless you could look in the shock doesn't appear nowhere in short on Earth does it say a person's obligated to risk their life to save their it doesn't appear in the rambam the rambam does not write anywhere one is obligated to risk their life to save their friend the rift doesn't bring it down the rush doesn't bring it down by the way for those who are familiar with the halachic approach of Naran video safe whenever the silkenov paskins he always takes into account three of the greatest early authorities the rush the Riff and the rambam he takes two out of three and when it comes to this issue not the rush not the roofs not the random not the tour no one brings down to you xiaomi and the smart one of the classic commentaries on wonders why is that Why did no one bring down the salaha why does this not bring it down why does Ramona bring it down and the smash says obviously they didn't bring it down because the rambam the Riff and the rush don't bring it down so the question then is why didn't any of the reshine him bring down this you xiaomi says because as great as an author as authoritative as usual me is and the gemara holds one is not obligated to place their life in Peril to save their friend says the reason why no one excites the usami that one is obligated to risk the light to save the friend is because the talmud babli disagrees which leaves us with our arm up in the air wandering we're in we're in the entire Chasse does it say and argue on the usami that one is not obligated to risk their life to save their friend by the way the pistachuva quotes the agudas is who also likely says that shazly disagrees with you xiaomi just by the way just gonna spend two minutes why do when we have a disagreement between Shas babli and Chassis xiaomi why do we follow shots badly after all you show me with the gamara written in there to swallow one would think you know Terrace Israel should be reign supreme and yet we don't say that Shas badly takes pressure there are two main reasons for that reason number one is the baby was written after the ushan it was written a few hundred years after the usami and when it comes to halacha we follow the later authorities we found the Basra and since the battleview was written after the xiaomi we follow the Bible also but the great academies the great yeshivas were in barbell we're in Babylonia we're raveena ravashi gathered together all these and all the viewpoints of all the various stages of the time and because of the peace and the political Freedom that they had at the time they were able to gather the viewpoints of all the amorim and take them into account however the yoshiomi was um edited primarily by rebelkanan and it did not enjoy the same privileges that the yamaram of the babli did and therefore whenever we have a dispute between the Babbling the xiaomi we always follow the battle and the question we have to begin with is where in the world and Shah badly does it say that one is not obligated to risk their life to save their friends okay so we have to start from the beginning you know we need to scan through shots you know can uh you know not in Broncos okay not in child is not an Arabian not a oh the very last message by the way what's the dafuyomi learning now neither all the way at the end of right you can learn Shas for seven and a half years and you will not get up to where it says in shast that one is not required to Riser like to save their friend until you get up to daf samach alif um says the gemara it's number six number eight even though you're not accepted make her slay me bye you have to be concerned for it you have to worry about it what does that mean you get a phone call from a friend and a friend says boy do I have a for your daughter who your uncle Barrel okay very nice you never heard of Janko Barrel you don't know anything about him but you're being proposed the for your daughter yankova a few minutes later you get another phone call cousin says by the way I want you to know Janko Barrel is a murderer he kills people as a hobby that's what he does in his spare time he's already up to 73. very nice so you know if you want to be a big Sadiq you could say horror your uncle Barrel is at Sandy gomor and I'm gonna marry off my daughter the uncle Barrel that's if you want to be at Sonic but that's what's called the hasida you're a fool because the gemara says you're now to believe the Russian Hara but it doesn't mean you're not a suspect the Russian heart of course you don't believe your uncle Barrel is a murderer but you also don't marry off your daughter the uncle Barrel right you don't accept the Russian Hara but you have to be concerned for it you have to be suspicious that's the gumar the gamar continues there are certain people from the Galileo de nafikalayo color de Cato they gained the reputation to be murderers you had three guys Jewish mafia they gain reputation to be murderers so one night the tire fund is learning you know it's one o'clock in the morning and he's learning by the candlelight and he opens up the door who's standing at the door these three guys right the Binet galila they said with paraffin hide us put us in your cellar man please hide us so taffinson hide you but if typhoon was faced with a great dilemma what should I do if I'm not gonna hide you the government's Gonna Catch You and kill you but if I'm gonna hide you what am I supposed to do I should hide you but the tell us that when it comes to Washington Hara you need to be suspicious of lushanhara and therefore since there's a rumor that your murderers I'm not allowed to save you we'll see why and therefore a python said you know what go hide yourself so the gamara says raftar phone did not hide these murderers because he said I have to be suspicious of the Russian Harrah about you exactly why did retirefo not save these murders Tysons quotes the opinion of the shelters there if typhen was saying I Can't Hide You murderers because if it turns out that you guys are really murderers and the government catches that I'm giving Safe Haven to the murderer to murderers the government's gonna kill me so I'm not allowed to risk my life to save your life I'm allowed to put my life in Peril to save your life and it would come out then that according to the schultes it would be a clear proof that our shots our gamara holds one is not permitted to risk their life to save the life of their friend that's what happened is saying if Tavern is saving I can save you because there's a rumor that you guys are murderers and if I'm Gonna Save you I am endangering my own life I'm not allowed to endanger my life to save your life and this would be an open proof that our gamara holes were not permitted to endanger our lives to save our friends ah very good Within so this is the proof that there are good as age of advances that the fact of typhoon did not want to hide these murderers that indicates you're now to risk your life to save other lives however it's not a good roof it's not a good proof because like ruvain is saying we could learn this Kamara differently the gamara may not mean that the reason why retire from didn't want to save them is because you're not allowed to endanger your life to save the life of another Jew you know why he didn't want to save them because maybe you're now to save a murderer maybe the Torah does not give a Jew permission to give Safe Haven to criminals you know you know in general we like we have the attitude oh he's a criminal but we have to save him pigeon for him not necessarily not if they're a criminal not if they're a murderer in fact the safer has see them and rashi rashi on this camera learns Russ tyrophone didn't want to save them not because he was endangering his life but because you're not allowed to save murderers and the safest I see them proves on this camera that if a murderer knocks on your door because the government wants to kill him you say too bad on you I'm not saving you I'm not saving you so therefore this camera is not really it's not such a good proof that you're not in danger your life to save another dude maybe the reason why raftar phone did not allow these murderous Safe Haven in this house because you're not allowed to protect murderers another reason why it's not a good proof that sits elieza writes is because what do you want to prove oh we see from the schemara the fact that if typhoon didn't want to risk his life to save the murderers that shows you're not allowed to endanger your life to save somebody else what's the proof maybe only in this case you're not in danger your life because it's their own fault that they're in this predicament why is their life in danger because these guys that didn't act properly so maybe a person is not not required to risk their life to save the life of someone who acted irresponsibly but if somebody is sick or if someone's walking on the street innocently and a car is about to hit them maybe in such a case one would be obligated to save them and therefore tomorrow number one is out to be able to bring a conclusive proof from this Gamora that one is not required to endanger their life to save not such a strong proof first of all maybe your retire from didn't want to save them because they were criminals maybe he didn't save them because they brought it upon themself and therefore we're back to our search we're in shots we're in the gamaras or any proof any indication that one is not required to endanger their life to save their friends okay we come to another gamer we've come to a gamara in Sanhedrin in number 13. ah okay what do you want to say they give us the one drinks what's that approved too yeah the other guy I have the water you're gonna die too bad on you my water but over there am I saving you by giving you half the water you're gonna die anyway but if I give you a little bit of water you're gonna die okay but you're saying good well we're gonna we're gonna look into that in a few moments okay we're gonna get okay the good morning sanhajan tells us the following if a person is at the pool right separate pool and he's standing there and he sees his friend drowning and the guy says that drowning but I just blow dried my hair I'm not going to jump into the pool how do we know you're required to jump into the pool to save your friend's life how do you know says the gemara there's a possible you're not allowed to stand by idly while your friend is dying likewise you see your friend being Carried Away by a lion you have a gun on you nah I don't want to waste the bullet how do you know you're not allowed to do that how do you know you're quiet to save your friends there's a verse there's a person that says you're not going to stand by idly while your friend's life is online ask the gamara why do I need a possible there's another pasta that says very clearly that you're obligated to save your friend and which posits that it says you need to return to him right you're walking down Casino Boulevard and you see a watch on it and the watch says you know it says uh Sherman Friedman he sits next to me in Shoal but I always liked his watch you know I didn't sound like I ripped her off his hand I found he lost it now it's mine right so you know how to say that you have to return it why right everybody knows Uncle Moishy you have to return lost objects right says the pasok bahashi voice not only do you have to return his object you need to return his life which means that someone's life is in danger you need to restore his life ask the gamara we know there's no such thing as an extra Posse and Hamish why do I need tube sucking one plus it says don't stand by idly while your friend is dying and one plastic says don't you have to return his wife to him answers the gamara we need to suck him one pasta to tell me you're required to save the life of your friends and another Apostle to say what if you know you're standing by the pool and you don't know how to swim right you don't understand there are people in the world that don't know how to swim and you're standing there and you don't know how to swim but the Lifeguard is there and you say hey lifeguard look look what's happening the guy's drawing lifeguard sorry coffee break so guys what do you mean coffee break he's dying I charge double over time I charge double so you're looking wallet you know you have a few bucks what who says I'm obligated to pay money to save my friend maybe I'm obligated to jump in but if I can swim who says I'm obligated to pay money to save my friend says the gamara that's why I need a second possible one positive to say you're obligated to save your friend one plastic to say you're obligated to pay money to save your friend says yeah why does the gemara say that from the second pasok ah one plus it teaches me your obligated to save your friend's life and one person teaches me you're obligated to pay money your savior your friend's life think of Mario should have said much better you know why I need a second plus look to teach me not only you obligated to save your friend's life you're obligated to risk your life to save your friend's life blind ticket tomorrow say that because the gamar obviously holds you're not obligated to risk your life to save your friend's life the fact that the gamara only goes so far to say money is one thing you spend money all right there are people they like their money better than their life but the camera says money is one thing but the Camaro doesn't say you're obligated to risk your life to save your friend it must be their gamara holds that one is not obligated to risk their life to save their friends and this is feel as a conclusive proof that shots badly that the Babylonian talmud holds we are not obligated to risk our life to save our friend let's look into another gamara that I've been raised before and that is the gamara of the two guys in the desert right if one guy drinks the water what's gonna happen he's gonna live the other guy's gonna die what happens if they both drink the water they both die what's up says what drink the one you drink the water Whoever has the word drink alone who remembers what did Ben patura say what was the opinion of Ben patura then petur said how could any individual just drink the water and let's see their friend die and therefore what did Ben patura poskin split the water right until Ravi Kiva said no you drink the water could someone please explain to me what in the world is the opinion of Ben patura what was the man thinking they should both drink the water what's the logic of that does that make any sense it's insanity man it's Insanity so you have two people and if one drinks the water he's gonna live Ah that's the revenues but who's gonna drink it right so therefore no one should drink it that you know that's that's uh cruelty that's like uh you know that's like Chinese torture Wait a minute no one should drink the water what has been Couture hold what's the logic of that you're right we don't hold like temperature we don't like Ruby Akiva but still Ben Peter was a Tana what's the logic of his position so you have to say says in its Civ in the hammock Shayla as well as an iron shaking the chuvas you know what the case has to be the case has to be the following if they both drink the water they're both gonna die why because civilization is 20 miles away and if they drink the water they'll live another hour says another hour who knows what could happen maybe you know maybe a helicopter will fly overhead in the next hour and you'll SOS maybe you'll discover an oasis maybe you know some Caravan will come by selling water who knows what could happen therefore Ben patura says I am obligated to risk my life to save your life that's the explanation for them pitura temperature doesn't just say you know be insane be crazy let them both die then Peter's logic is instead of you drinking the water and living and the other guy dies for sure you're obligated to risk your life to save your friend's life comes Ruby Akiva and says no you're not obligated to risk your life to save your friend's life what should you do drink the water let your friend die who do we possibly Mike maybe Akiva that means the issue at hand whether you're obligated to to risk your life to save your friend is not just a theoretical issue this is yes let them both drink it because you're obligated to risk your life to save your friend Ruby Akiva says no your life takes precedence and since we pass through microbe Akiva that means the conclusion says babli is we do not risk our life to save our friend the yashami says you do but we possibly like the bathroom that is the conclusion of the United I just want to point out I do not understand whatsoever any proof from this Gamora to the issue at hand because then petura is saying you're obligated to risk your life to save your friend to definitely save your friend to maybe save your friend comes every Kiva and says you're not obligated to risk your life to maybe save your friend say you're not obligated to risk your life to definitely save your friend if you didn't say a word about that the uh explanation of Cecilia requires further investigation we have to try to understand what the Cecilia is bringing out from this gemara but at first glance you know we don't have the time to sit here for a week and analyze this but nevertheless if anybody could explain how this Kamara beers any any um information on the issue at hand again with the Akiva is just saying you're not obligated to risk your life to possibly save your friend he's not saying you're not obligated to risk your life to definitely save it okay but in any event the place can tell us shast bably somewhere whether it's Nida samachalif whether it's sanhedronian gimmel whether it's somewhere somehow the Shas babli argues on the usami how do we know that the random didn't bring it the rift didn't bring it the rush didn't bring it and obviously this is okay so case closed the conclusion of bably is you're not obligated to risk your life to save your friend now let's talk about organ donations let's talk about the guy never he has uh what is called renal failure his kidneys are not functioning properly is one allowed to donate in Oregon to save the life of their friend okay so you think who's going to be the first person to discuss this you know it can't be somebody more than uh 50 years ago right I mean they didn't have surgery right they had Butchery but they didn't have surgery well you know and nevertheless right and nevertheless the radvas was one of the great going in of the 16th century he was a robin Cairo for 40 years he wrote more than 2 500 chubas and he had two great tell me them Ashkenazi and the arizao the Ariza was the student of their advance their advice talks about the following case you have uh some cruel Governor he goes over to a Jew and he says Mr Jew if you don't let me cut off your ear if you don't let me cut off your nose if you don't let me cut off your finger your pinky I'm gonna kill your friend right that's basically organ transplants to save the life of your friend right so you have to give up a limb to save the life of your friend again right the guy comes with the rusty knife plastic knife and he says you know either either let me cut off your finger or I'm gonna shoot your friend what's the halacha the questioner said to them you know obviously you have to give up a limb to save your friend's life says they're advised not so fast not so fast you're required to give money to save your friend you're not required to give the smallest limb of your body to save your friend Torah doesn't require that no Hashem doesn't doesn't ask a Jew to be so giving that's not that's not something God requires a human being good what you're not even required to cut off your pinky to save your friend it's not a requirement not to be quiet you're not required okay we'll get to that okay good point when you give up your kidneys yeah okay good on the other hand if you can't go both siding anymore you're going to be very aware right no more no more contact Sports you know um okay says about let me explain to you why Hashem doesn't expect that because the Torah says the ways of the Torah are Pleasant God does not expect anything of a Jew that's going to make your life miserable right right in French we say God's not looking to bust your chaps right he's not looking to make your life miserable all you have to do is you know wake up from Minion you learn you want to deal in your business honestly you don't speak Russian hard that's it only Pleasant things all Hashem wants you to do is Pleasant things Hashem wants your life to be happy like some some Jews think in order to be a good Jew you have to be depressed no in order to be a good joke you have to be happy life is Pleasant right if life isn't Pleasant then you know you're not following the manual if you're following the manual of the Torah then then life is Pleasant that doesn't mean it's a Bowl of Cherries but it's Pleasant says they're Advanced does it make sense that God would expect a Jew to give up a finger to say no God doesn't expect that there's certain three cardinal sins not to murder not to serve Idols not to commit adultery but in general God does not looking to bust your shots and therefore it's illogical to say you're obligated to give up a limb furthermore you're putting your life in danger it says about I saw with my own eyes a guy had an operation the doctor cut his ear off and the guy bled to death in front of me so anytime you involve yourself in cutting off any limb the person's life is in jeopardy cesarevaz every time you harm another person in the eyes of the Torah it's the proof remember the terrorist says I in takasan an eye for an eye or a burn for a burn right which literally means if your friend takes his candle right if your friend someone knocks out his friend's eye literally the tar says knock out his eye but we don't understand it to mean that why because if you're gonna knock out his eye you may kill him and that's not fear because you only knocked out his eye and he's killing you so that's not fair in other words any that we know in the eyes of the Torah any time you inflict a wound on someone it may lead to their death how do we know this because the Torah says a burn for a burn which means if somebody goes over to their friend and puts their finger in a fire how do we know you don't put their finger in a fire back says the the gemara because maybe you're gonna end up killing them killing them come on Ruben put shimon's finger in the fire so why can't you know and put Ruben's finger in a little flame oh he's gonna kill him yeah you're gonna kill him because any time you inflict even a small degree of injury on your friend in the eyes of the toilets already although we could differentiate between possible danger and real Danger and their further advice comes to the following conclusion to give up a limb to save the life of your friend you want to have your finger cut off to save your friend's life are you obligated no is it a mitzvah no it's not a mitzvah is it hasidos is it saintly yeah saintly it's not a Mitzvah it's krasidas but what if by you giving up your limb you're placing your life in jeopardy you might not make it says they're advised not only are you not obligated not only is it not a Mitzvah not only is it not Pious you're a fool you're a hustachaita you're not allowed to put your life in danger to save the life of your friend that's what the Rabbi says you're a fool you're a fool you're not allowed to and therefore according to advance you know putting into modern terms if a certain procedure that a person would want to have done on himself to save the life of his friend would be what we calls would be placing their life in peril not only were you not obligated not only is it not a Mitzvah you're not allowed to do it you're not allowed to do it you're now at a place your life in jeopardy to save the life of yourself so now let's talk someone about kidney transplants is it permitted somebody needs a kidney person has a spare kidney they can live a full life right people live a full life on one kidney is one allowed to donate a kidney to save the life of their friends says that sits elieza Cecilia of Lazar valdenberg was one of the great posts from of this Century he specialized in medical ethic shyless he was the pythic of Shahid sudak Hospital and he says well we need to ask the doctors is this is giving a kidney considered risking your life enough is it safe or is it not safe that's the question if it's safe then are you obligated to do it no you're never obligated to do it one is never obligated to give up any limb to save their friend by the way but Misha Feinstein comes to the same conclusion all the play skin conclude one is never obligated to give any limb to save their friends it's not is it a Mitzvah Rabbi says no the rabbis even says it may not even be hasidos you want to do it you're good-hearted you're good-hearted what is the halach about kidney transplants says yes if you look at number 19 uh in a paragraph your gimmel by the way says it's Cecilia there's a major difference between internal organs and external organs to chop off an ear a nose a finger to save the life of a friend even though it can lead to death nevertheless in most cases it could be controlled they could stop the bleeding and you want to do it we're not going to stop you are we gonna say you're at Sadiq no we're not going to say you're at sounding oh when you say you did a Mysterio but an internal organ in most cases we would have to consider that flashes concludes the Cecilia like this look in the bottom paragraph based on what the expert doctors tell me when I presented him with this issue sauce the kidneys and all the internal organs even if the man is completely healthy removing a kidney is placing the donor's life in peril the alkane therefore aimless you shouldn't do it you shouldn't do it they ain't my right failure that says and a doctor's not allowed to carry it out unless you get a team of doctors who all with their expert opinion can say 100 percent nothing will happen to the person says yeah right but he doesn't say quite like that says it's gonna happen you're gonna get three doctors to agree what they're gonna take an oath nothing's gonna happen how could anybody know that and therefore it says he has a removing a kidney is placing the life of the donor in jeopardy don't do it don't do it says a number 21 Diane wise dying Weiss writes acrylic all the way at the end in our situation definite Danger and not only is it dangerous now for the rest of his life there's a danger there's a possible danger what if you know he's playing hockey he gets a little check on the wrong side he goes into the boards you know who knows right again he doesn't quite say it give that example I'm just no it says Medallion wise plus do you know for sure you're saving the life of the recipient maybe his body will reject the organ you don't know says Diane wise he hasn't sufficiently analyzed don't do it though don't do it don't do it comes with a value Yosef and reval yourself goes through the whole sugya exactly like we said quotes on you xiaomi and they're advised and he quotes it to salyoza and he quotes dying wise that based on their medical information based on the doctors they spoke to you see maybe as maybe you see spiders and have better doctors based on the doctors that he's they spoke to that it's dangerous they came to a conclusion you're not allowed to do it however rights ulam this is number 22. in the middle of the paragraph ulam the MS are doctors you know may the society doctors tell us the danger is very small tournament of people who donate a kidney return back to full health by the way I saw recently Josh gave me these papers the two weeks I think it was point zero three or something like that it's the the materials is very very negligible 0.03 99.97 nothing happened to them right and therefore cesra that says cecilias are based on their medical information that it's dangerous they poskin not to do it but according to the medical information that we have today this is not a real danger and therefore although again you're not obligated to give up a kidney and we're not going to say you're required to give up a kidney it's still a Mitzvah to do it and therefore vavadya concludes says permitted and it's a good deed to give up a kidney and therefore this Mitzvah will protect the donor so we're just going to add our two cents a little bit just for a few minutes you know you look at the maclikas here between what is it slide them a better doctors and ashkenazins but I'm asking us you know the doctor's 30 of the time they're going to kill the patient but by Spar then they have much better doctors 99 time they're gonna get it right that's what it is they ask different doctors I don't think that's what it is I think the question revolves around the definition what would you say someone who just donated their kidney and the doctor said nothing will happen to them they're going to live a full life to 99 years old I have a question let's say they donated their kidney a minute before Yom Kippur would they be allowed to eat on Yom Kippur of course they would why they just donated their kidney it's that kind of some facials but what do you mean in a week they're going to recover yeah but right now their life is in Peril yeah but a hundred percent of the time they recover yeah but yeah but that doesn't say that you can't uh eat on Yom Kippur just because what's going to be and what will be doesn't mean that at a certain point of time their life is not in Peril they are putting themselves in right it's a kind of suffocious it doesn't matter what the recovery rate is does the the do the statistics really bear on whether this is considered life-threatening or not is this a life-threatening procedure absolutely it's a life-threatening procedure is a person putting their life in danger yeah but what do you mean 100 of the time you recover but you recover from a life-threatening situation so perhaps what the system is saying it's not just a matter of five percent of the time people die one percent of you that's even zero percent if a person is undergoing a procedure where they're putting their life in danger who says you're allowed to do that are you allowed to do that yeah what's up it's a suffix it's Addison are you allowed you're putting your life in Peril to save your friend is one allowed to do that so perhaps it's not just a matter of Statistics revalue your substance look at the end of the day everyone there don't eat the kidney and they lose to be 120 years old okay so it's not a second it's not life-threatening and you're not endangering your life maybe the other place can look at it that the recovery rate and the statistics is not the critical issue over here the critical issue is what type of situation is the person placing himself in if the person is placing his life in Peril this is not saying the toll requires so again we're not saying conclusively what to do we're just going through the issues at hand again just to summarize the you xiaomi tells us the person is obligated to risk their life to Circumstance the Bible we analyze three different kamaras we analyze the gemara in Nida perhaps that says you're not required we analyzing Sanhedrin we analyze the gemara in balencia the conclusion of the recite him is one is not obligated to risk their life to save their friends now the question is the donation of a kidney we are a statistics habit that a person will recover what is in such a scenario and we we looked into some of the views of the leading post game uh it's been wonderful have a good night you've just experienced another Torah class brought to you by torahanytime.com