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Rav Shimon Shkop on The Nature of Nezirus {Daf Hashavua Iyun Sugya Nedarim 17a}

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prog okay good morning friends just a short point the said that what was the case of somebody says so then basically these two somehow are both let me get let me pull up the the Mish said you know but and he eats he's for each and every one he's only once the way thean learns is that he's basically triggering two periods of nazos but you're never going to be violating two laim for violating one nazus period not like other reum that in fact the two nerus are at the same time what it means is he has to observe one nerus bring a carbon and then observe another nazus and the r is B what does it mean the is in a nothing is simultaneously first one period is and You observe that and then another period is and You observe that but nothing is really within the other nothing is on top of the other it's not like there are two at the same time so let's read the says when it says you're for each and every one that we say it's to teach you have to practice a for each acceptance doesn't mean literally the the two obligatory periods that are s ously what it means is you are obligated to be for each acceptance when you say behold behold and you count 30 days carbon and you bring a carbon and then you count 30 days may be carbon and you bring a carbon so when it says that you count 30 days you bring a carbon and you count another 30 days and you bring a carbon learns this out from why is this called the reason this is called a within a cuz the second zeros is within the time frame of the first so so it's it's just impossible to count it until you count the first one so saying something very interesting it is it's just you can't count it why do we have to say it's because if it was not then how would it beat you're not making the later so it has to be that it's right away cuz it's not if it's not right away how would it be later since it's not now it would not be later so it has to be that it's now it's just you can't count it why because if it was not Kal at the time you made the nether how could it be later you're not making NE then and if it's not now it wouldn't be later rather it's and that's why it teaches so is learning that the second period of say now it's just you can't count it so I just want to share with you one uh potential way to understand this uh and this is the approach of C by the way if anybody wants the next upcoming trip is to VNA and raden uh this is going to be in May before lag and while we're there we're going to be at the in grna at the C of shim he says he quotes the um that regarding this this comes from the saer at teras let me see let me find it he's going to quote he says regarding this you have to observe and count at the time of the first if you violated you drank wine only get malus once right according to the ran other disagree other say no it's like twice and if you drink wine you're over on to but according to the ran if you drank wine you only get Mal once this is all the look later on look later on the r brings in the name of and that's that when it says it's that if you ate twice you're twice and that's a the but now we're going to focus on the run the round H holds no you're not over twice but it's now just you don't observe it until later what does this what does it mean that it's now so he says and we may have mentioned this in the past has a unique view on naos according toos is not an that the person is not to drink wine and it's not like a Nether and it's where the wine is user to the person so then what in the world is it if it's not an isav that the person can't drink wine it's not an that the wine is user to the person what is it is not an on the person it's not an on the item it's a a Caba on oneself namely it's not that I'm prohibited to have the wine and it's not that the wine is prohibited to me it's that I accept it upon myself to Accord myself with the sanctity of nus a person accepted upon himself to Accord himself with the sanctity of person accepts this upon himself you to have wine so it's not that there it's not an it's a acceptance of a status and once you accept that status the Torah you in wine you could say when you accept upon yourself so then it is what's is your is it just practically you can't fulfill it yet see if it's an one can't be another if it's an likewise one can be another but if it's a I I accepted upon myself a responsibility then they're both the responsibility the same way right now I'm obligated to fulfill myos because of the first NE right now I'm obligated to fulfill Min zeros because of the second NE so right now it's my and I am right now obligated to be the second the only thing is there's no way for me to fulfill it practically there's no way to fulfill it at one time I have to keep it two at two separate times so learns that the logic of thean of what is now it's not an it's not it's the my to accept um to be practically there's no way to observe it until I first observe the first one that's how understands this run okay that's what I got for you today then both are simultaneously effective in other words then I am able to be M both of them at the same time in other words they're both the reason why I can't observe the second one is because how could I count another Nazir when one has already been but if I accept both simultaneously then not only as a cabal but the the counting and the observance of it it could also be fulfilled simultaneously okay everyone have a good day good day