Parshas Va'eira: The Torah of Amrom

okay good evening welcome everyone we have an amazing subject tonight electrifying epic historic uh the shim on are again generly sponsored by Dr dr's father the are sponsored by the Israeli family mayor and whose yard ISAT tonight share is sponsored anonymously in the Merit of eating the war effort in Israel and the return of the hostages tonight sh is also dedicated by the Justman family nishas blel Justman mayor yehud Ben elazar and tonight's share is dedicated by Yuri Curtis zaham on the occasion of his first yard site this shab the fourth of Shabbat we have a very interesting topic planned tonight this past shabas I was at a malava Mala and at this malava Mala um at this malava Mala we uh there were a number of speakers actually I was a speaker but there were a number of honores and I got there like an hour uh before I needed to now it's one thing to go to malav Mak you have to go to and come an hour early but I was just a speaker I just needed to be there for my uh my jasa but a rabbi got up and he introduced one of the honores and in his introduction he said and the rabbi next to me said let me tell you something about that and then I was thinking about it I said that would be a good topic for a so I didn't come an hour early I came just on just in time to the malava Mala anyway let's begin with the following comments of the r the r is found at the end of raish was commanded on six things not to Sur Idol not to curse the name of God not to murder not to commit uh adultery not to steal and the establishment of judicial laws so it's interesting we're all familiar with and we always thought that was commanded in seven no it's not true the ra says other was only commanded in six and the ra says even though they're all AA from and they're all logical and they're all part of the 613 but the r is learning that the sh mitz or the these MIT have a progression to them there's a historical progression of what we know as the MIT they didn't all come in one shot it's not like one day all of a sudden Hashem gave all 613 in one pop there's a progression of the Mitzvah first came six then was added aah it was added to the limb of a living creature sh B but the flesh and the Soul it's blood you should not eat these are the okay so six to Adam one to the continues likewise this matter continued in the whole world Abraham until abam meaning the all mankind was commanded in these seven was added an eth Mitzvah the Mitzvah andak so now we're up to like nine yeah separ that's 10 and he made that's 11 yob added that's 12 that's 13 it's interesting that the ram is counting the of the day a separate MIT when we know the r holds even though the ra holds but each each the concept ofing is but ra puts it on the list of adds and here is the Whopper in Egypt was commanded in extra until came and the T was complete through him so the r learns that there's not a concept that went up to the mountain and God gave him 613 no gave six seven Abraham 8 and n y 10 and 11 yob 12 13 and amam was given extra MIT now a which ones which ones which MIT were amam given and number and what source is there that amam was given any mitz what he DAV what did DAV what Mitzvah did do what's the r talking about and all the the of mish of course is and the M asks where does this come from the ram doesn't invent anything everything the ram says it's either a a where does the ra get that likewise the asks what exactly are the that that amam was commanded that is the subject of today's share why didn't Ram say it but like he said for the first eight yeah that's another and and if there are Mito why are they unidentified so question what were they David is adding why didn't the raham say it and what is the raham source okay but what's what's interesting is get okay not bad what's interesting is in par I am the god of your father the god of and brings the med who it means so the is equating to so says this might be a basis for that which the ra says that just like the were also but the million doll question is what MIT was amam given that's today's share Tas yeah it's interesting that I don't know I hope it's okay I'm saying it over I'm not going to give away any names but um somebody was so interested in the Tyas amam she they went to look on T anytime if they have anything on amam and they stumbled across amam B danan right I think they're I think they're I'm not going to reveal anyone's identity they stumbled across with amam B Duan and ra ban has a connection to shabas Tish and their son his named amam and I think was born on shabas Tish if I'm getting the details correctly so somehow this topic sent you know directed to amam ban but we're talking about amam the father ofu over here and we're we're learning we're trying to discover what mitz was GI so is the yeah referring to amam or I mean or just in general that I would have thought it's General your forefathers you know your ancestors but the med says it's referring to amam which would fit in nicely according to this ramam that some T was given to so let's try to discover what was given to there's a famous part of it is in was a okay not like today what's AAR is anyone who knows the Al B is a G right you could call them not Al anyone who's a rabbi you know is already the god it's it's today it's a term we just like throw we you know we abuse it anybody is a but was legitimately the god what is the saying was one of the four people who never did and they don't say that about and so that's pretty good when saw that decreed that any male has to be thrown into the river he said he said then we're engaging in having children for nothing because my my children will be murdered so what did he do he got up yeah he divorced his wife so everybody said the divorc wife everyone divorced their wife so his daughter said look carefully at the words cuz why does she call it a Gaz your Gaz is worse than par is only annihilating the males and You by not engaging in they're not going to have boys or girls power is only killing them in this world but you're not even allowing them to come to this world so you're destroying the world to come as well you're sad and Par his decree maybe they'll keep it maybe they won't keep it but you're aad and what aad says goes you're aad so you're Gaz will be fulfilled now why why is Miriam calling what amam is doing for himself a gazer we're going to come back to that so what did he do he stood up he took his wife back so they all got up and they took their wives back and he took it should say he retook he did an act of taking he did a k he put her in a canopy and so they put her on a canopy so we have a kadan we have a what do we need we need you know the marry makers now nowadays you don't even have to have friends anymore you could hire people to dance at your wedding used to be in the olden days you had to talk to people why because otherwise no one's going to come to your wedding nowadays you don't even have to talk to people you could stay on you could stare at your phone the whole day nowadays and then there's an app you just like you tell people what time to be there and they come in a costume you don't have to look at them they don't have to look at you and they could just they could make you so happy at your wedding and you could continue to be a grouch the rest of the time but but back in the day you needed people to to andam they they uh they said was their mother you know so what do we see in this what did do took her back then what did he do excuse me what did amam do he divorced her and then what did he do he took her back what do you mean he divorced her saying wa me divorced her this is before the T was given before the T was given what would a person do if they wanted to part ways from a wife they would say have a nice day or adios or it's been it's been real you know and that was it it's been real no no more uh negotiations needed it was just a simple thing and how would you marry a woman back in the day yeah we know yob there was a there was a wedding ceremony from yakob so okay that's a good point but the rambam famously says that before the T was given so how what was marriage a man would meet a woman in the marketplace if he wants and she wants he would bring her home that was the marriage there was no wedding sermon there was no contractual agreement you didn't need a rabbi there with like a feather and writing making sure that you had a Hebrew name that somebody could pronounce and spell correctly that that was it you met up and uh if it worked it worked and then and then what what was gon gon was okay it's been nice it's been real have a good have a good day they parted ways so why did amam have to divorce his wife what do you mean amam divorced his wife before the Torah was given there was no divorce and what does it mean he took her back before the Torah was given there was no marriage comes maritz maritz is lived from 1806 to 1856 his are in the back of the gar if I'm not mistaken there are as well as he wrote a number of one of them was also he says mik Haram from this gar the r derived his teaching that in the days of and the asks which mitz ah from the fact that the gar says in they divorced their wives and that he took he did he made a what do you mean before you don't need you don't need doesn't the ra say before the tah was given a person would meet a woman in the marketplace if he wants and she wants they're married once the Torah was given they're Kad and gin and here it says they divorced and they married the MIT that the r is referring to that were given to is get and kadan divorce and marriage yeah and by the way the asks well who told amam you mean amam was commanded who told him so what do you mean God told him amam wasn't a Nai he wasn't a prophet he's not one of the 48 prophets but the the points out there were definitely Nim in MIT and he lists a number of possibilities the benar Z as hmon kalal AR there were n in and was a godar so when the nvi communicated to amam that Hashem wanted this instituted it so the two the again the r says was what are the MIT gin and kadush I would ask and what David was asking amam was the first person to do kadan was amam the first person to do Kadin doesn't the PK say in how do you know did K because it says doesn't it say by isn't that and doesn't the gar learn out that elazar was a he brought 10 men because why did why did elaz bring 10 camels cuz he needed 10 men on the camel so that so if you look in the rug the rug says he adds something that might address this question but you still may have a good question the r says if you look carefully in the gar it says he put her in a canopy that's not Kad what's that that's that's so maybe the mitvah that was G if you look in the r he writes very concisely he says he added a din of n it's interesting the rug doesn't say Kadin maybe because kadushin always was even though if it always was why didn't the ram say that you know abah or instituted kadush he doesn't he doesn't list it oh that's we're going to have to deal with that because if if amam amam divorced her now are you allowed to take back a woman you divorce yeah but not if someone marries her in the interim well did anyone marry a in the interim we're gonna see yeah really yeah so he took her back okay so this is this is the approach of the maritus and if you're going to ask well what do you mean kadushin had already been established possibly maybe that's why the rug adds the din of nin over here because the gar emphasizes he put her why does why does it say he put doesn't that imply that implies now there's a very interesting question that we could ask over here and that is from the thein he asked a very interesting question here he asked this question on the maharit again the is saying you know what the R means that MIT were it must be referring to and K so asks the Ben the r of theit contradicts his whole thesis what's the what do you mean did Gish did kadushin but the rambam says that before the Torah was given a person could meet a woman and the marketplace and he could just live with her and if he doesn't want her anymore he just says it's been real so why did amam do why did oh it must be he was given these mitv I don't understand but you just quoted the ram that the ram says before the Torah was given there is no G and there is no Kad and is before the Tor was get was given so what do you mean oh why did amam have to do get why but before the Tor was given these these Concepts these institutions didn't apply so what's your conclusion that it was given toam but the ra himself says before the Torah is given there's no G there's no Kad so the r that the is bringing from the r based on the idea that before the Torah was given there's no G and there's no K well if that's the case if there's no G no Kadin then it wasn't given to how could you say the Mitzvah is given to and based on the r that says before the Torah was given and he could just take her and dismiss her so then amam was not given G and kadan so it's interesting this is the approach of the and the comes this is amazing the and he quotes the mmu I believe was one of the Rabon Alona and the M makes the following argument it says that amam got up because of power's decree and he divorced y why would he divorce her oh because if you have a child then power is going to kill the child don't have a kid so don't have a child but why are you divorcing her does that make sense no because P decreed that every male that's born is thrown to the Sea have a great idea just separate why so drastic a step that's the Kasha of the M the answer is because it says in the end of that really from the day the B was destroyed you shouldn't get married you know that the gar says that from the day the temple is destroyed can't get married anymore it's it's how can you get married when the B MD is destroyed ah but says that someone who doesn't have children yet he has to get married to have children it's it's only if you already have children how could you get married so where is this bringing us say am already had children so so okay great you ready had children but there are many people who didn't have children and the people who didn't have children they need women to marry so amam divorced his wife so that people who didn't have children could marry them as we know in fact says that you know who married y alian married him and but so why did amam divorce his wife life so that another Jew could have children what do you mean another Jew could have children but it's before the Torah was given and before the Torah was given there's no Mitzvah to have children it's one of the 613 Mitzvah oh it must be the Mitzvah given to was puru because you know the Mitzvah is not divorce the Mitzvah is puru why did am divorce his wife because of to enable other Jews to fulfill the mitzah of peria that's the m and says M also G and also then was says that's not one of the Mitzvah given to he was given he was given K he was given he was never told don't be that's only after the Torah was given so was allowed to be this is the approach again the approach is you know the Mitzvah given to the Mitzvah is what do you mean he had children but why did he have to se why did he have to divorce just separate from her and don't have more children no he he divorced her so that other Jews could have children says this is the weakest thing I ever heard in my life that's the Mitzvah given to number one what does Gish have to do with other people having children because otherwise how are they going to marry her he had to divorce her someone else could marry her it's not the traditional way people get divor oh one second no so it's a so it's a good question I would ask what do you mean why did he have to Mar why did he have to divorce her if it's only to allow someone else to have children so just say goodbye and then someone else can marry her it must be that the Mitzvah to have children was given and the Mitzvah of G was given but the says this is very weak number one the fact that amam divorced his wife doesn't mean he was commanded to divorce his wife maybe he just divorced his wife the same way abob kept all 613 mitzvas maybe kept getting even though he was not just because amam did made a get and just because he made a kadan doesn't mean he's in it maybe he just did it and he observed it like The observed the T before it was given that's question number two number one question number two just because kazal said he was Mish his wife does it mean he gave her a formal document of get maybe he just he threw her out of the house how do you know it means that he actually divorced her maybe he dismissed her gishan doesn't doesn't have to mean and then says you kidding me you're saying why did you know why amam divorced his wife so that other Jews could have children what the only ladies available in the whole CL are ones that already married to people who have children so so go toak and get and get married no they only want to marry people who are M that's the only way to have children for the husbands to divorce their wives so that people who didn't have children can have more children there are enough to go around as says I personally in his world I would have said question obviously what was the's first question well just because he gave a get and a kadan maybe he was just observing the mitzah before it was given no clearly amam did not observe the tar before it was given what's the proof because he was his so that means he's not like an AB oh if he's not so why is he giving a get and he's doing Kad must be because he was commanded that's the r the is the fact that he was but he did K and he did g why obviously he's not doing it because he's keeping the whole T because he doesn't keep the whole T he was fine but says I don't agree with the m I agree with the mishna namely we have absolutely no idea where did the r get this from that wasz I don't like the M's approach I like the's question okay so so far we have the approach of G and Kad the the rug adds says this approach is actually very interesting did Miram tell the I don't know maybe listen to this and this is very interesting let's look back at the gamarra the gamarra says that Miriam says Miriam says to amam your gazer is worse than par what do you mean your gazer am made a gazer he just he just divorced his wife is that a gazer and then it's interesting the gamar says am divorced his wife and everyone in clo divorced their wife I mean learns one year and everyone in CL learns I mean everything that a does all of Cl immediately does and then Miriam says parro's decree may or may not be fulfilled your decree will definitely be what do you mean your decree so comes the he says something very interesting he says apparent if you look in Rashi on the gar there Rashi says everyone listened to his words sounds like why did everyone listen to him because he's a godar oh just because you're godar everyone has to listen to you it's seems like that am made a decree that everyone should divorce their wives and they were obligated to listen to him why were they obligated to listen to him just because a God says something do you have to listen to them once the t is given do you need to listen to a the RA in the beginning of is there's a that the when the rabbis tell you something especially the you have to listen there's another mitvah also the r says this Mitzvah is to listen to and the r says that it's that's interesting when the says over the he includes the the ra doesn't add that detail so says the Ben you know which Mitzvah was given to the Mitzvah of listening to the words of the and the proof isra made a decree everyone has to divorce their wives and everyone listened why is everyone listening because the mitv given to was the Mitzvah of and the Mitzvah of and the mitz of listening to the words of that's the and the Mitzvah so the this is the Mitzvah that was given according to the the MIT of listening to the words of it actually comes out that if you read this gamar very literally it does seem like amra made a Gaz on the people right because Isam said your Gaz is worse than was only you were goer and the fact that everyone listened to him implies that he made a decree and they had to listen to it by the way it's interesting so so far we have a few approaches the says the adds the says by the way if you look in the you know that the wrote a multiv vol set on all the that will be relevant when comes a totally different set it's called he's also bothered where did the ra get this from that was and the says well make maybe the Mitzvah that he was commanded in was puru and that's why everybody went ahead and had more children so there's an amazing question on this right and by the way who else said and the said you know that's like the weakest thing I ever heard you think they had to divorce their wives so that people could get married there weren't enough ladies to go around that's they could have married women who were never married before ah so comes a and the asked the same question and the says the M wanted to say that the Mitzvah that was commanded on before the Torah was given that was observed by Jews before the Torah was given is question nowadays are improval no why where originally yeah they were so what happened to it so there a rule inan any Mitzvah given to Ben not repeated at sin is now incumbent only on Jews and not on gim you know that rule that any Mitzvah told to before the Torah was given after to was given do you ever have any that say oh have children no so what does that mean does that mean only have to have children no it means only Jews have to have children you hear the [Applause] rule so ask the that he's saying the m is weak why because is that why they divorc their wives so that other Jews could fulfill as if the mitvah given to Jews before the Torah was given and not to is what how could the think such a thing before the Torah was given according to everyone the only reason why it doesn't apply anymore is because so of course was given and of course everyone had to have children before but not because it was given to it was in from the times of I mean it's as old as the Hills puru is as old as the hills so why don't G have it now because it was so I was at this event and the Honore the rabbi was quoting this RAM and and not sure what it had to do with the Honore it was something like just like the were trans I didn't I didn't cap the whole thing I was focused on the rabam and then the rabbi sitting next to me was uh Rabbi Prager the K the West Side K and he told me my rebbi Raa Shapiro told me that he once went to a very wealthy man's house and the wealthy man showed him the carbonel bring me a sh a regular gar that has in the back the rush with the caran caranel um wrote a commentary on the rush and he had an old copy of the rambam you ever hear the caranel of course right the caranel is uh yeah Carano right Carano is the CL classic commentary on the Rush by Nan the ab of carra carra in I think I believe in Germany and this oer showed ra Shapiro that in the carbonel addition of the rambam the Carbono took his pen and he said he crossed out a letter you know which letter he crossed out the rambam that we have says yeah the car took his pen he didn't cross out the letter the word amam is missing something is missing a leg under the r in Egypt the Jewish people were commanded together with extra Mitzvah not IM you say what which Mitzvah what do you mean which mitz the Jews in Egypt were commanded P mat that's what the ra nothing to do with that the carb in his own handwriting he added a word a little line under the r IM and he wrote on the side P mat and then it was my turn to speak but I remember that the rabbi told that to me so I called up a few one in London and one of in London said he remembers hearing that Raa saw an addition of the rambam that changes the gar of am I said can you track it down is there a picture of the r i want a picture I want to see it is it in print anywhere so I then I emailed Rabat also one of the big Shapiro and he sent me back a Shear that he gave saying over what M Shapiro said I think he also sent me a clip of RA saying it that indeed what now sometime this year yeah when yeah okay good so the only thing is if it's going on it should say plural so said the said it did say but because the printers thought it was they changed it to so I went to all the farm stores I want to I checked first of all all the on P and on the a may I think and also the and I went to the farm stores to at least two to find the and they're both at a print and the carrier doesn't carry it anymore anyway finally I found in a that somebody wrote an article and he writes he saw a copy of the ram that was in the possession of the car and he wrote on the side they have to change the they messed up IM they wrote so they try to fix the but that was wrong it should say and it should say im and the meaning is the mitah that refers to is p and uh also mil however clearly the of mishna did not have that Gea and the RAS did not have that Gea so there are a number of possibilities of which mitv were were commanded yeah so do we know anything about before this well one thing we know we know amam was not a Navi on the other hand he's one of the four people who never did Na and he's also the God ofar so what were the so just to summarize the the r says the says accordingly we understand why the equates what exactly were the mitzvas by the way if you possibly could add I would add another Mitzvah cuz in that very gamar what about the Mitzvah of they were dancing for him you know where they where did that Mitzvah come from but who told them to do that right may I mean mean did Aon and Miriam were they M that Mitzvah anyway so you have the the who says the R Who Says who says you have the who says and you have the who says it's a it's a mistake and it's referring to and the Mitzvah is and mil I wish everyone a but before you go please mark on your calendars March 3rd to March 5th the first ever in Miami Dr Goodman right is already signed up he already has his ticket but um I don't I can't reveal any more details March 3rd to March 5th please join us also if you want to uh join us to our trip in the footsteps of the February 17th to the 22nd in Italy we're going to be there for the K yard site in the city of LNO and Kona Rio and the C of the zariman and many other sadim and have a wonderful night and okay oh wow [Music] wow