Parshas Matos: Is the Techeles Today "True Blue"? The Ground Breaking Halachik Conclusion

this torah class is brought to you by torahanytime.com okay welcome everyone thank you everyone for coming to the grand finale of our series on the mitzvah of trails and a brief introduction is that what we're presenting in the sheer is not just haphazard a lot of research has been done a lot of investigation a lot of discussion with poiskin a lot of uh analyzing many many sources so i hope that our conclusion is i hope hashem we hope to present the correct conclusion in accordance with the poiskon now the first thing you need to know which is very important is a basic idea about the zone even before we try to analyze what is the correct kilozone and do we actually have kilozone today we have to have a very important idea about this the gemara says that one day the dead will come back to life after all every believing jew believes in you believe the dead will come back to life so as the sapi kairos for ahava afra but their dust a dead body turns into dust could us turn into life how could dust turn into life survey says back to the sapi karis let me give you a little muscle there was once a king who tells his builders build me a palace in a place where you have no water and no dust no raw materials sure enough these builders build the king a beautiful palace and a location where there are no raw materials soon after they build the palace the palace collapses the palace falls down the king says okay now build the palace in a place that there are raw materials where there is dust and water and the workers say can't do it so the king says what do you mean you can't do it cowboy hoymer if you were able to build the palace in a place where there are raw materials where there is dust and water certainly you should be able to build the palace in a place where there where there are raw materials in other words if you could build the palace in a place where there's nothing certainly you should be able to build a palace in a place where the raw materials so says the rabami to the apicarius wait a second how did god create man in the first place he made man out of nothing so if god made man out of almost nothing certainly once man has already been made and has turned into dust certainly god could reconstitute man if god could make man in the first place certainly he could put him back together again that's the first argument of radhami and then ravi says to the apikaris and if you don't think god could create flesh out of dust says ravami go to the valley and in the valley there is a weasel or a rat or a mouse that today is half flesh half earth and tomorrow the half that is earth will metamorphosize into flesh so you see earth could change into flesh god could take the dust of man and make it into flesh that's another proof and finally says ravi and the third and final proof is that if you think it will take a long time to have a sim all you need to do is go up to the mountain and on the top of the mountain you'll see one measly lasagna and it will rain and tomorrow the whole mountain will be full of hundreds of khao zainos very interesting surabami is saying what's the proof to kris mason is go to the top of the mountain you'll see on there it will rain and the next day there will be hundreds of comes the yad rama and the yad rama wants to know what in the world is this on which one is this one of the classic we shine he brings down this gemara and he says some maintain some shine say that this from which you produce the trellis the well-known gilazon it looks like a fish and its body is is called it's colored like the sea and all the qualities mentioned in the sun that we're talking about but says the yad rama how could this be the kilozone how will he get to the top of a mountain how would a kilozone get to a top of a mountain that's the first question and number two you're going to bring a proof to three sim from the such an infrequent occurrence it only comes up once every 70 years says the yad rama a yes a tremendous principle and that is not all zoyo noise are created equal not every time it says the word zone in ghazal is it talking about the zone from which you make there is more than one gilazon that's an important idea to know there is more than one gilazon the zone from which you make trailers is described in the gemara menaches with four qualities it looks like the sea it looks like a fish it comes up once every 70 years and it's expensive but not every time in shasta it says it talking about the khilas and from which you make so that's important to know because if you're going to identify the zone you have to know which hilazan are we identifying are we identifying the khilas or is it a different okay in this generation and the past generation many naturalists many scientists have maintained and not just scientists there are many very hush of tamiya that maintain that the murex trunculus snail is we gave out a beautiful picture last week if you want if you wanna an idea remember what it looks like this is the murex trunculus and if anybody wants to get a hold of any of the source sheets of any of the shurim please email rabbi gladstein sourcesheets at gmail we'll be happy to send you all the source sheets of any other serum that you like so many tamiya many scientists maintain that this in fact is the zone of the gemara and therefore if it is the khilasan or if even maybe it's the kilozone every observant jew every jew would have the obligation to purchase it as much as it's going to cost it would be a mitzvah director and the question is i must admit i do not wear trailers most observant jews today do not wear trailers why not is it a matter of being laxed in the performance of the mitzvah is there a case to be made that the murak's trunculus is indeed the trailers there is an institute in eretz israel that stands its entire function its entire purpose is to disseminate the murex trunculus stainless do they have basis is there validity to their claim or perhaps there is some type of tradition that we do not have tails what is the correct approach as an observant too we want to approach this topic like any halachic topic we want to see does it fit into the pie skin does it fit into the gemaras does it fit into the reshinum and from there we will proceed so let's analyze this so yeah like we would any halachic topic let's start with the rambam and i think if we take an honest look at this sugya we will see that this is not necessarily a position that stands on solid ground first of all the raman describes to us what is the if you look in the rambam and sits this paragraph is number three on your sheets the rambam says that how do you color the trellis of the tetsus you take wool and you soak it in sid and then you wash it until it's clean and you boil it in detergent like all dyers do the achaka mavian then you bring the blood of the killazone says anybody want to take a guess what the word doug means doug is a fish yeah a dog is a fish my vera versailles i ask your humble opinion is this a fish no this is not a fish swallows it's a mollusk it's a snail this is not a fish you could ask any three-year-old they will tell you this is not a fish the rambam is saying that the muric's trunculus is not the kilazone let's look at taisus so most of the times fire then pascan like the rambam the random saying it's a fish let's look at this we know ashkenazim almost always passing like rabbenutam and isis we hold the rush rights in achuva that the ashkenazi maintain that and the re were godot the i ask your humble opinion is this a fish this is not a fish so taisus is saying this is not the hiloza so you have the round bomb who says it's a fish you have twice this who says it's a fish does anybody says it to say it's a snail i don't think so let's look at rashi rashi says i'm assassin on the it comes out of the earth now rashi's clearly saying it's not a fish no fish come out of the earth so maybe maybe rashi holds it's a snail well rashi masekto sanhedrin says what's a kilazone a worm is a worm of fish no is a worm a snail though not really but if you want to stick um snail into the zone it would sooner fit into rashi than the rambam or twices see what do you want to say the rambam holds it's not the killer twice this hoes is not we're gonna stick it in tarashi you know we almost never pass skin like rashi over this or the rambam rashi wasn't writing halakhala my sarah she was writing shad in the gemara the simple interpretation but okay maybe you'll say it's rashi but not to to maintain a kilozone is not like and not like so you'll say well maybe the word doug is a a generic term right for all creatures that live in the water and in fact the vilnigan in his commentary musa kalem and parakeet probably remember what well for when the malef taught you the malak taught you before you were born the vilnigan says anything in the sea is a fish so maybe i'll say really the murex trunculus is the kilozone i the random says fish don't you know the word fish means anything that's in the water i toissis says fish fish means anything that's in the water now first of all the rambam everywhere else he rides fish he means fish with fins and scales right he'll dug him in not talking about the laws of snails so what you'll see but maybe here we'll have the only exception where the round mom calls a snail a fish it's a dogheik so it's a question we're not going to refute the muric's chunkiest based on this words of the rambam but it's certainly not glad it's not smooth it's a question on this approach it is certainly uh it's an arrow in the approach of those who maintain that the murex trunculus is the kilaza i heard a share from rabbistrol reisman and he wrote down eight questions that he had from shas on the muric's trunculus and many questions he had on the rambam and i called him up and he was kind enough to i asked him if i could have his personal notes i wanted to see for myself what his questions were so he said they recently printed them and he was kind enough to email them to me and i asked them permission to put on the sheets some of the questions that he had these are questions that i feel are very very strong and very difficult to answer so the first question he puts is a question we just asked the round mom says it's a dog and tyson says it's a dog and the murex is not a dog so by the way so it says rabbi reisman but don't answer based on the grum the sector caleb that everything in the water is called a fish and besides if you look in the first say frontrellas they bring another proof because william cole writes that in latin fish means all aquatic creatures says rabbi reisman who could care less about what william cole has to say about the word fish in latin what does that got to do with the rambam why would anybody even invoke william cole's explanation for the latin phrase fish we're not learning latin here we're learning the rambam and everywhere else in the random the word dog means fish fins scales gefilte fish herring nobody when you add when you go to the store and say you want fish and they bring you a snail and it's not it's not going to work it's not going to work doesn't pass that's question number one is it a te usta it's not a toyota it's a kasha let's let's talk about another thing the rambam continues to describe what is looking number three the bottom line what does the blood of the khila zone look like the damai the the blood is black like ink anybody ever see the blood of the murex chunkulus no you know why because it doesn't have blood it's a snail it has liquid it has mucus do you know what color the mucus is it's clear isaac knows right it's clear sometimes it's even a little yellowish but the rabbit says it's black so what do you do the rambam says the blood of the black so let's open up the murex trunculus it has clear blood so you know what the answer that if you leave it out long enough eventually it will turn black that's what the rambam means the rambo is trying to identify he's trying to tell us how to know when you got the zone everything turns black eventually when anyone say human blood is black let's say you would see in a book the blood of a human being is black the person doesn't know human blood human blood is red yeah but if you leave it out long enough of course so does supper it turns black after you leave it out long enough so the random says it's black so you know what they answer the random was wrong their answer lulay is to shayla says the random was wrong you know why because the rambam they write didn't have a tradition about the khila zone the rambam must have gotten his opinion about hilazon they write from aristotle so listen to what they're saying they're saying the murex trunculus is the presupposition that's right that's kilozone the rambam oh it doesn't fit in with our discovery so the rambam is wrong oh wait a second that's not the halachic approach approaches the rambam is right the rambam if he doesn't tell us he got it from a secular source like he does tell us he says this we don't have tradition about i got it from the greek scholars he doesn't write that about the khilasan he writes his opinion of what so if the rambam tells the opinion and it doesn't fit into our discovery who is pushed from before who is the rambam pushed or is this snail pushed off from the words of the round mouth that's the decision we have to make is it a teosta i don't know maybe the rambam means eventually the blood turns black but it's a question and you can't make halakhas out of sticking things into the rambam when it doesn't fit in good a third question one of the reasons why i represent dismissed the murex chuculus does anybody remember why he dismissed it because the color wasn't blue it was purple until recently they discovered until recently they discovered that if you make the die in direct sunlight not on a cloudy day it turns blue so rabbit rises and asks star kasha the random is giving us delineating to us how do you make trailers he says you put in this ques this ingredient and you boil it and you use this detergent and you use this chemical and the it's a fish and its blood is black and it's found in this sea rambam you left out the most important part that it only turns blue if you make it in direct sunlight so you say where else are you doing it anywhere else who makes dye in direct sunlight boiling hot outside you ever see a dye manufacturer make dye outdoors everyone makes it inside in a factory in a manufacture the raman took it for granted the ram assumed we would know you have to make it in direct sunlight why would the rambam omit the most important detail so you know what their answer is you don't need direct sunlight you can also steam it you see anything that's steaming it in the rambam i'm telling you how to do it and according to them there is a specific methodology that is missing either direct sunlight or a steam heat is it a refutation you decide but these are three very strong questions on the roundabout number one it's not a fish number two it's blood is not black number three why doesn't the rambam say that it needs direct sunlight okay what yeah we discussed that in a previous year the radzina rebba had an interpretation of what yama malach means that it means a soul it means an ocean as opposed to a lake by the way i found later abyakov kaminsky on that and i think this week's power shower jakob kaminsky writes that you see from the rambam the yamamella could mean an ocean as opposed to a freshwater body of water okay here's another question the gomorrah says if you catch the khilazone on shabbos for violating shabbos we know there's a malachan chabas called sud trapping if you trap an animal on shabbos it's a molecular diaries you have uh you have a mosquito flying around in your house and you're a fly and you wait for it to stop and you you know you get it it's an israeli raisa you can't catch an animal or an insect on shabbos what about what about if you have a deer that's sleeping it's a farshloof in a deer and you catch it says you know why because deer when they sense you're approaching will run away right away they wake up in the runway but what about a deer that's sick or old if you catch an immobile deer you're not even you know why because the of brewer explains it's already trapped it ain't going anywhere right it can't move you could get it in one fell swoop any animal that doesn't require exertion all you need to do just take it there's no malacha of trapping asks rabbi reisman and this is a question that they themselves acknowledge and that is a snail what does a snail do when you're about to catch it whatever it does the rest of the day it doesn't care it doesn't it doesn't even know the the the intelligence of a snail is not that great it doesn't know if it's about to be caught it doesn't know if it's sunday it doesn't know if it's wednesday night it doesn't know what's whether it's coming or gone what does the snail do nothing so what do you how do you trap a snail you just take it you know there you could send two little kids down to the seafood sea bed and they'll take the murex trunculus would you be hive if you catch a muric's trunculus no because it's not trapping it's there for the taking and yet the gemara says if you catch the khilas so how can the zone be their snail you would not be so they have an answer to this their answer is well trapping it even though it won't move and run away from you but it requires a special skill and a special bait and a special tool that's not necessarily true anybody could go down to the seabed and catch it it's a big question on their opinion so so far we have four questions you know what a major question is ref herzog has asked a major question on the new york's trunculus in his seminal work the royal purple and the biblical blue and that is this murex trunculus was it recently discovered absolutely not it existed for thousands of years do we have evidence that it was used for thousands of years absolutely in fact the murex trunculus was the main source of the color purple in fact it suggested that why does the gemara menachem tell us how to make trelas and not tell us how to make our game on the gamora doesn't have to tell us how to make our game on everyone knows how to make our game on murex trunculus that's why there's no gomorrah that tells us how to make arigamon you know there was even a name for the muric's choculus pliny pliny who was one of the ancient naturalists he writes clearly about the muric's dying process and he it was called perfira or purpura and although he's shy to mention it and that's probably why that's probably why the gemara nowhere in sha's says how to make aragom so asks ref herzog and this is explained in an article by mendel e singer in the journal of contemporary society if everybody knew about murax and it even had a name then why would the gemara manager say let me explain to you what it's looks like the sea and it looks like a fish and it comes up every imagine if the gemara says let me explain to you what a lion is what's a lion a lion is it has the body of uh of a tiger and the head of uh we don't need any the kamar nowhere explains what an area is everyone knows a lion is a lion is a lion the kumara doesn't explain what a tarnagal is the kumar doesn't explain what any of the animals are because people know what animals are they more than say you know what a cow is a cow is this big thing it says moo it has a tail and when there flies on the t on the body it whacks the the the come on don't tell us who the cow is we know what a power an io a sawyer why all of a sudden when it comes to dying trailers does the gemara give us the most cryptic explanations if it was the murex trunculus which was the most well-known used snail for dying in fact in rome it was rampant did you know in some regions half the population was employed by dying with muric's trunculus it was the most well-known snail why would the gemara give us cryptic explanation just say purpura say the name instead of giving us explanations that we don't know what it means you know what the answer is because that's not the if it were the gemara would stage straight out why would the gemara lose the opportunity to define it accurately hit the nail on the head say clearly what it is instead speak in this cryptic way you know why says if herzeg because it's not it it's not the murex junkies but is there any archaeological evidence that it is well if you look in the governed shabbos on shabbos the gemara talks about how nivosradin the chief executioner left some jews in arts israel to be carmem or yoigvem what are karmim people who gather balsam what are yogvim people who trap khilazone where are those trappers located from the cliffs of sur from tyre in the north west to kaifa so in other words identifying that where are zone located north northwestern sea coast of arizona and in fact hundreds and thousands of shells of murex trunculus have been found in caves and pits indicating that they were indeed used in that location so you'll say how could you deny reality there are thousands of shells found in these locations obviously they were using it for trailers right wrong why obviously they're using it for trailers what color is your shirt anyone wearing a blue shirt i see a lot of blue shirts i see a lot of purple shirts they needed to dye it they needed to color it what do you think they used they made they made it from muric's trunculus who says they used it for blue maybe they used it for purple in fact you have an article over here also by mendelee singer phd and i'm only bringing this to show you that don't think it's the scientists against the rabbanim no even in these the word the world of academia it is certainly not unanimous that this is the trailers in fact mandalay singer says it is not possible that it's the trailers so it's not even unanimous in the world of of of of scientific scholarship he writes look at number 16 there can be little doubt that muric's trunculus was used in ancient dying it has long been accepted that muric's trunculus was used for dying purple in ancient times it was yes it was used for purple there was significant archaeological evidence to support this however all the evidence suggests it was used for purple dying there is absolutely no evidence to suggest that muric's trunculus was used to die blue next paragraph let's examine archaeological evidence mounds of newark's truncular shells have been found at ancient dye sites in many locations these shells were cracked in the exact spot to get the get to get the dye this is solid proof that muric's trunculus was used in ancient dying but does not imply it was used for dying blue of course it was used it was used for purple a 13th century bce pot shirt from serepta has a stripe of dye that is believed from the muric's trunculus guess what color it was purple of that from a dig i tell shikamona has a purple muric's dye on it not blue like it says in the brochure of their institute so it's a fallacy that there's evidence that they use these shells for blue it's just not true of course they use them but they didn't use it for blue let me read to you a rabbi reisman says about the archaeological evidence he says number 17 that which they disseminate and they publicize that they found in pits and caves thousands of murex he says it has no bearing on hawaka behind hanayamaram lavabella bishkarim it's a a fake a fraud a phony it's a scam it's a scam on the unlearned public of course they used it but the question is do they use it for blue so how does that affect the halacha in any way sounds pretty reasonable that this is not necessarily proof you want to hear something that they invoke as in irrefutable evidence that this is the trailers and this is coming from irrefutable evidence because on the on the coins of barcode there is an emblem of the murex trunculus so obviously would they put a dove or tummy on a coin of dark so it must be it was used for treyless and that is cited as irrefutable evidence because it's on a coin abankoffa you know it appeared on coins before bakoku it appeared on coins after about the murex image was merely an emblem it was like you know the alligator on the on the two button shirt it was just the name brand murex trunculus was the first name brand it was the first name it was like when you have on the back of your car you know the l would anybody buy a lexus if they said you could you could drive it you just can't have the emblem right shayta shall ilan you're gonna drive you're gonna drive a car without the emblem if you're driving expensive car you better have that emblem the mirror shrunk to this was an emblem but you to cite that as proof that this is the trailers you ever see one review type of argument like this you ever see any place like say an argument like that i read to you where rabbit risen writes he says in summation there is no gemara in sha's that indicates that this is the trellas maybe you could stuff it in but you don't create halacha is from i think it's very reasonable there are major questions on this okay and the summary of mendeley singer the uh phd he writes also he says look at number 20. the identity of the khalasan was lost for many centuries without a tradition as the correct species and without a sample of ancient hales it might not be possible to identify the khalasa with certainty however there are minimum requirements that can be expected to be met in order to seriously entertain the possibility of a species being nicholasa says mendeley singer next paragraph murex trunculus does not meet any of the primary criteria arguments brought in favor of it rely on new interpretations of gemara that contradict classical mafarts skip a paragraph muric structures meets few of the secondary criteria in summary the case for murex trunculus as a kilozone has little merit indeed the evidence against mirrors trunculus is overwhelming now i want to tell you when we're analyzing this we're not going to decide whether we're going to wear trailers based on the article of this gentleman because again this is also not the halachic process the question is does it fit into the re-shining does it fit into the pie skin what do the pudding skim say bottom line about taylor should you wear it should you not wear it that's what we're here for tonight so you'll say what's the downside what do i have to lose if it's not hella so i lost a hundred bucks but if it's kayla's i was koina oil mitsudai rice is there any downside some suggest the following downside the gamora mustafa macias says god will punish those who instead of wearing rio trelas we are kala ilan kala ilan was the fake trellas was wants to know why would the gomorrah pick this example of a fraudulent item why not say god will punish those who instead of putting in parties in their film they put in comic books god will punish those instead of taking an esrog take a lemon why dafga god will punish those who instead of wearing trellas will take kala ilan ready for this this is frightening the color of trellas is so holy so much kedusha it can only be tolerated when the base of itasha's standings okay that alone is not we're not going to pass based on this kabbalistic concept he says so much kadusa what has more tama a russia gamor or a sade or a russia who dresses up like a sadiq the most tama in the world is when the eight sahara puts on the garb of the tsaring the most thing in the world is impastor trelas any color that's not here as well looks like trellis you know what it has on it in fact why is it called color elan color what does color mean color is numerical value 131 the same numerical value as sub the angel of death says someone who instead of wearing trellis where's the imposter you know who's hanging on to your garment the sitra akhra the samakh mem the most fierce strongest kayak imaginable so if you want to know is there a downside yeah there's a downside but you'll say come on this is a kabbalistic reason we don't pass in kabob you're right this is a kabbalistic reason of shlaima miller who is the pisa in canada now in lakewood he writes he wrote a letter to one of the tamika in the institute of trailers and he writes there's a downside because if this is not elon you're dealing with the forces of tomah so they wrote back to him this is in a letter over here which was printed in the ou source book when they had a conference seven years ago i got my hands on it hashem rebel yahoo tavgar who's one of the tamika behind the trailers he argues very strongly he says look if people are wearing this because they're music maybe this is really treyless and it's suffolk though raisa has shown to say that uh well if they don't get it right they're going to be carrying the mem around with them no we don't say such things if people in earnest are trying to fulfill mitsudair isa then they have to do their best something right we don't get bogged down by these kabbalistic concerns and i think he's right if there's really a possibility this is we don't weigh into the equation well maybe it's uh maybe it's called ilan that's not a halal consideration and maybe we could make the case because there's a well-known passage from rabsham shin mayash japalya when the great mekobalam quoted by rabbit that in the year that while the besan is destroyed we will not have travis but in the year the trailers will be found so wow we have a great macobo who writes and predicts trellis will be found in the year 5600 and in fact there are zina rebel founders yeah but we're not dealing with radzina rebechelas was shown by the place kim not to be accurate and this is the year 57 74. we're not in the year 5600. so what did rosham should you mean i don't know but again we're not going to pass in based on kabbalistic predictions so let's get bottom line bottom line is when you don't know what to do you have to ask the play skim hammer for summoning you have to ask the goddaughter what do they say about us okay number one let's look at rabitsakyosef we're going to do we're going to deal with this fire them first sometimes we do the ashkenazim first tonight we're going to do with this fire them first says that that which people have today trailers it is not clear definitively that this is you won't find many of the islands wearing it so what should we do you should do what the ghidorah hadar do what do the guido lehadar do they don't wear trailers do what your rebbe does so whoever your rebbe is follow his lead follow the guider that doesn't sound so antagonistic to the trailers because what if my rebbe wears it and who are they israel i'll tell you who the israel are he says by the sfardim we were zaika to see the last generation of gaduilam you know who they were rev ezra atiyah ravyakovas guess what they all had white sitzes and when they were presented with the possibility of trelas they said no thank you umi zucchini if you want to know what to do look at the good island says that we don't find any of the greats father kiddo i'm wearing trailers and go to your hakodesh binebrak has wasn't interested the stifler did not wear it and therefore says yosef we contemplate what the goddamn do um don't do it very interesting what did rabbi yosef hold well it's assumed that everything in the in the alka yosef was reviewed by rabbi and i think it's pretty safe to assume that but beyond that i found recently in a new published safer called mayan omer questions that they asked for above and they asked should he said it's not us so he says should we do it he said no why because we have a kabbalah from the arizal that we won't have trailers until mashiach comes and he said in a shear that we trust that which rev yeshua mila kutna wrote that for a thousand years the tradition in claudius was that we will not have trellis until she comes said we don't do it so let's first fire them how about ashkenazi how that's ashkenazim i believe that the most important chuva written on this topic was the chuba of rebel yoshi again rebusing yosef is writing of commenting on what the earlier generations did not do the safer maya neumer ravage didn't write it they asked him and they recorded it but here rev al-yashev who was a police of it was a paisa khadar it was a zakiy nadar who was not writing chuvas like other poiskin right many many many of us he selected that which he wrote about he wrote very briefly and he shied away from any controversy if he took the time to write about us i believe this is the most emphatic words we have the strongest words we have about this subject and was not asked by a regular person he was asked by a god they'll be thrown on his own right rafael khon who authored the badaya shokhan a very important work on your day so certainly raphael cohen was capable of passing on this issue like he did on thousands of issues on yaradaya and yet refibercon felt that this was an issue that affects all of israel and we need the opinion of the paisekada so despite the fact that he's mahria in literally thousands of mahogany this is something he had to bring to a rebellion and he brings to yoshi who says what do you say about the trailers today where many scientists say they are certain that this is the trellis and they say what do we have to lose says five reasons five arguments number one says yahshua this is not a new story this is as old as the hills the pursuit of trailers is the oldest story in the book and you see by the way that he says one of the gedoi layout a hundred years ago gathered jews together and shrieked why doesn't anyone care about us and guess what says if the deuteronom didn't agree with him and very soon after him he was proven wrong now look at that suitcase he doesn't even he won't even say who's the name of this admiral maybe it would be a priestess in his covet he says one of the admirable we all know who it was we spent a lot of time on it then after him another god of israel claimed he knew what was we know who he was also rabbi yoshi doesn't write the name and after him they proved him wrong and now scientists claim they got it right says who knows can we be certain that in a year or in a month or maybe in a week new scientists will come and say they also got it wrong that's argument number one rebel yahshua was a very astute student of history you don't get caught up in a fad you gotta you gotta be observant of what the historical trends are this is a reoccurring trend number two one of the reasons the base halevi did not accept the radhina rebechelas is he said we had the cuttlefish for centuries we didn't use it that means we have a messiah that it's not the zone by the way remember we had two versions of the story rava yasiv is telling you what he believes the version of the story is we have a messiah that it's not it says very honestly i'm not sure it could be that this same taina applies to this discovery that this is a murex trunculus we had for 2000 years they knew how to make the die and they weren't using it so perhaps this question applies on the muric's trunculus as well third argument says rebel yahshua the god all the yeshua's malcolm writes for a thousand years the tradition in claud israel was that khalas was lost argument number four it's like as we show you how to make the trailers do you put in or do you not put in salmon the rambam says you do rashi says you don't who's right we're going to say in 2014 who's right between rashi and the rambam we're not capable of doing that says rabble yashev and you want to know what do you have to lose says rebel yahshua if you have a lot to lose because we pass listen carefully that that sits this need to be the color of the baghead unless it's real trailers if it's not real trailers and it's just a blue coloring your strings are a different color than the baghead and the chadrila your tzitzis are not kosher so you'll see it's only a yay shimerim the premier goddamn says we're naive this way says rebel yahshua if you got the trailers right good but if you got it wrong your tsutas are not for these five reasons says we await the coming of mashiach and then when mashiach comes we'll be allowed we'll have the real trailers but until then we don't we're as far as i'm concerned case closed so i'll ask you a question yo you should use five arguments did he miss one argument why didn't rebel yoshif say what we said from the second shear that it's a three-way mach like this how many strings you need do you need like the rambam says one of the eight do you need like the rivet says two of the eight or do you need like rashin there's a four of the eight one rubber you should say and we don't know how many strings you need so i believe that rebel yoshi purposely did not use that argument because in an article written by rehearsal shakhtar he points out very correctly that this is a matter that the mission of rural pascan done in fact if you look carefully in two places number 30 number 31 the misha brewer simon test of qatan [Applause] so why didn't rebel yahshua say and we don't know how to pass in one out of eight two out of eight four out of eight reversal shafter is right because the mission brewer pascals we do know brother yasha very correctly writes mission brewer doesn't pass again do you put in on him or do you're not putting salmon on him you see how carefully rebel yoshi wrote others use the other that argument we don't know how many strings rubble yashu was careful he knew the mishna burra and therefore i believe in my humble opinion you have the pacific akron rebel yashev what if kaiser doesn't know what to do he's a kingdom as bainum yoshif said don't do it what does he have to say now would rebel yahshua say you're not allowed to no rebel yahshua never said you're not allowed to he never said there's a no there's an issa he just said if it's not us your sisters are not kosher he said it might be a negative messiah and he said that we have a tradition that won't be found and we don't know about the psalm and rabbi yashev also said probably scientists will come and prove this wrong refrain kenievsky is not so kind in a new safer das neutra refraim kenievsky was asked look at number is there any reason to be mahmir to wear trailers because even if they're wrong you don't have anything to lose says there is no substance to what they're saying why not said hidden hidden means we won't have it says you can't create halacha is based on mere speculation based on mere scientific speculation the questioner wasn't satisfied they said but we know from the maharil and the malbim and the smag that they write there are certain halachus that apply today namely that we don't put wool string we don't put linen strings on a linen garment because maybe taylor's will come back so we see maybe trailers could come back rub crying so how could you say hazal say it was neglect we see from poison maybe we'll come back says when meshiach comes will have trelas the questioner wasn't satisfied he said i don't understand just because khazal said it was hidden but maybe it will come back says rebhaim you have to know how to read khazal you know what the word nignaz means it means what it means everywhere in khazal i can avoid looking note 336. says there's a mishnah um did it come back no the orion was nignaz did it come back no the luchas were negnas did it come back no the man you ever hear anyone the institute that found the mun or the mate of arrow or the shemin or the mace or the big they couldn't imagine someone walking in the street he found the big day kahuna says just like we don't have the toilets we don't have khalas if you're mamin bedivre hazal you don't have trailers what if you only have one pair of sits this and it has khalas on it are you allowed to wear it no you know where it says can't wear it it says it they asked him like talisman that this is but what about the that said oh there is are you worried about baal toyota's no that you're not ever about twice but you still shouldn't wear it but you don't have to worry you're being over in this direction you just shouldn't wear it you should not if that's your only people if i'm on a desert island that's my only peer don't wear it nobody will see me maracayan you never know people are looking in fact this type of the reprimand has in his notes that he they asked that but it doesn't hurt says it also doesn't hurt to wear glasses with no lenses in them that also doesn't hurt right to wear glasses with no lenses also doesn't hurt and one time said is not my words he said you wanna take a cow and die your sisters with a cow that's how certain is again these are not my words these are words of israel so rebel yoshi just says don't do it it doesn't say it's us don't do it are you over a lab of like the sky to do if you wear trailers relying said it's not us or but it's not roy to wear it because of lysis guidedo should you rebuke someone they asked for him he says if you want to if you want to yeah why would so many nice from jews even attempt this it's the end result is this that's why we have that's how we had five shiram on it that's how he had five shurim on it now again there are big tamiya that are for it but for us when we want to know what to do you have to look to the other if you're a talmud of a certain tamil tamil who are great people and they do it so you have a right to follow them but otherwise you follow the poison mammal for solemn that is my humble viewpoint this week they came out with the chuva from sternbach who reprimsky said if it's your only pair you shouldn't wear it but he's not willing to to say you're over in mr dairy's ravisher sternbc is willing to say that you might be over in israel raisa by wearing the trellis of baal tayson why he said why can't you just make it tonight and if it's not trayless i don't want to be makai in the midst of like people wear a bino tanf they make it tonight that if it's not villain he says that a tonight doesn't help if it's so far-fetched that it's almost impossible that it's hellas that's what he writes now i'm going to share with you something very personal something i'm thinking about and i wasn't sure what the answer is and i'm still not 100 sure what if somebody does put on trailers and it turns out in heaven it is let's say do they get scar she say of course yeah but rabbi yoshi and it's not down here in this by the way i want to share something something with you that i don't think has ever been said publicly i wanted to know what rav maisha held what did rick moishe feinstein he's a mardastra the rob of the united states of america what are moisture so i spoke to raleigh burkh moskowitz who learns every day with rob david feinstein he's author of shout outs with hiberta and i asked him what is what did rabbi hold what did rob david hold he said i'm not asking political reason i want to know for myself what's the correct allah he said rabdavid went to the institution inherits israel they presented him all the information but david did not accept it had questions on it what did revmersha hold but moshe did not accept it i said do you have this in writing he said yes i said i see it i had to come back the next day i said kai please see it so he gave me a copy of his notes and probably one day will be in in an edition and he writes any passkins ravmosha didn't accept it feinstein doesn't accept it the goddardly straw don't accept it and claudia stroll does not accept it roib of klaus so do not accept it so if you have moisture and you have about yoshi and you have keniewski and you have rebel yourself so if you don't know what to do music by none you look to the israel but i wanted to know but what if it is and you wear it you get scar and i'm thinking to myself maybe you don't get scar because if the goddardly saw pasca and it's not released then in this world the reality is not hairless but that's a big kiddish to say you don't get scar writes these words i read his words at the end of his chuba hamach let's say somebody today is mahmeer and chanaka he lights two miners one moisture and one he goes down you get scared going like beshamah of course not says of sharmak valois you won't even get scar you know what you'll get scared for for not wearing it because if you don't wear it you're following the daily israel something that said why would rebecca present us with the murax chunkulus what does he want the answer is he's give the rebound or something in his infinite said is giving us the opportunity to be mikayama mitzvah you know what the mitzvah is to follow the daily israel and not wear the trailers it's a great mitzvah is giving us you where it sits is for protection is there any greater protection than to say that i wear my titsas in accordance with the great protection of the israel now should you be against somebody sir if you want to i'm not suggesting that rebel yoshi have never said that the motion never said that reviews i'm not suggesting it but there's a very interesting humorous story that in the times of the radzina rebba one of the people who did not believe in the trailers got so angry that someone's wearing trellas that he ripped the garment off of his friend and he burned it in the fire and he came to the goddard of shmoe salant and he said rashma did i do right he said you're like pinchas you're mamish mekhani but you owe him a hundred bucks for his baghead okay so as says so what should a person do if he really wants to be mckay in the midst of trailers he says you know you should do exactly what we've been doing for the last five weeks you should learn the sugiya in depth and just like we say if you learn about the carbon catas it's as if you are making the karma and if you learn about the carbon oil it's as if you broke the carbon if you learn the suggy of hashem should consider it let's add one idea how unfortunate how tragic it is that we barely have any mitzvahs today no carbonics no mitzvos even since this we don't have us you could get reward as if you did the mitzvah how a few lines down it's an obligation on every person when you put on your titties in the morning when you put on your talos in the morning that says if you really feel sad that you can't be making us the same way esther wished he could have been mikayam keep it away and hashem considers it as if she did in the perfect way and the same way wished he could have been making siddhaka and he could hashem consider us if he did any jew that wishes he could be making us hashem considers it as if your mekaim trails [Applause] we didn't come to challenge anybody who follows their respective rabonim but nevertheless i think it's clear that the godola israel say do not recommend it and therefore roive of claudius that continues to wear levonim yeshlam and even more than that is a correct weird quest what we're saying is it is more correct not to wear the trellas and hashem should consider it as if we're making the mitsubishis and the real que las vegas you've just experienced another torah class brought to you by torahanytime.com