Parshas Ki Seitzei: The Wayward Son Vs. Yishmael

this Torah class is brought to you by Torah anytime.com tell it's an astounding gamar we once gave a whole she just on these few lines of gamar but uh today we're just going to Lear the G by way of introduction the name of David wanted to serve idols came and refers to it was an image it its head was gold so the word head often refers to idolatry David wanted to serve Idols now how could you say such a thing about David DAV H the reg R of the mara we once gave a whole sheer about many different interpretations of this gar refer but now we're just learning it by way of introduction and who comes to David and says the quoting the comes to her D with torn garments with Earth on his head he said David people are going to say a king of your caliber served so David says that's a better alternative than people saying about me that who people think I'm a sadic and my own son is going to kill me so what is it going to cause what are they going to say about the when one of the biggest all time sadim is killed by his own son people are going to say Les will and people are not going to believe in God and therefore in order to create a kidish Hashem I'm going to serve Idols so that when my son kills me people will understand the ways of Hashem that there's a retribution in this world but if I don't serve Idols people are going to question the ways of Hashem he said I'm my king of my caliber his son will kill him better to serve Idols than to desecrate God's name people are not going to have any questions when your son kills you said why not I thought people think I'm a says wait a second didn't you marry David in fact married a why did you marry so what do you mean why did I marry I marri the like Rashi says in this week's para number two that you will take the because the recognizes human Frailty and human passion that when a person goes out to war the adrenaline is pumping and the the passions are flaring and if somebody sees a woman they won't be able to control themselves and therefore the Torah says the is so said that's why I married you so says yeah but don't you in the T right after the para of is the para of so you married the your kids have been and therefore no one's going to have any questions when your son tries to kill you okay and now we learned a whole explanation in this gar we learned the whole explanation this why didn't DAV in fact didn't DAV know that by marrying he would have a and we once learned from and the and I refer you back to that share okay so from this gar it would seem like that a the son of David was somewhat he was a case of a wayward son the however says talks about whether the whole idea of actually ever happened or not that in order for one's son to become a there has to be a certain criteria if the mother and father did not have the exact same voice which is impossible and look exactly the same which is impossible be the same height the kid does not become a because the says if the voice needs to be equal the appearance and height also has equal so basically it's impossible to have a could be singular in other words they have the same voice exactly they have to have the exact same voice if they don't have the exact same voice the kid oh soar says in accordance with whom is the T opinion which T holds that the never was and never will be I if there was no such thing ever as and there never will so then you could erase the number of in the Torah why would the Tora have to write about if it never happened and never will happen was written for the wrote about it for the and the Young Israel over here it's for you guys because hasem wanted to give you reward and if not for the maybe I would have stayed an extra day of on vacation right but wrote so I came back early so we could learn and we could get more real important now okay oh okay the says if the there is no Source it's you have the says there's no Source since the has to be the same the and also have to be say then says or it could be like because said like this what do already he didn't do anything wrong he just went out to a restaurant and he parked himself there for a few good hours and he went to all you could eat so because he did all you could eat which by the way is mish man disgusting thing all you could eat it's disgusting How could a Jew go to all you could eat you e like a human being not like not like a Bea but anyway that's not the purpose of today's sh keep that in mind anyway that what the guy do already he just did 1999 all you could eat and already we killing him right because he the answer is it never was it never will be it's to learn it and to receive reward by the way so this might be the P Ruda who says that Thena has to be a son of someone who has both parents have the same voice the same appearance and the same height R shim says really it's not even reasonable should kill the kid the only reason we do is it never happened but said sat on his grave wow okay how now here's a question if hasem wanted to give us I guarantee you there are a lot of things he could have added to the T or let's say you know let's say you you were Hashem for a minute and you're saying you know the is missing like six so I want to add something to the ti to give people more reward I mean there are many millions of possibilities at your disposal to create a new thing to learn about to give people reward so what does Hashem come up with oh if a person has a rotten kid who likes to go to all you could eat and drink a lot of beer you should kill him not that that ever happened but I'm just telling you about it so you should get more reward that's what the Reon came up with to give us more reward maybe talk about you know I mean just there Endless Possibilities why why go in this direction why was this selected to be the one topic that chose to give CL more reward so that is the question of says why would the Torah write about something that never was which doesn't really happen says the topic of the is to teach you the ultimate lesson this was the wisdom of to teach us knowledge the great obligation of loving Hashem because what is the greatest love that there is in this world a parent to a child The Greatest Love in This World the most altruistic reward Love Is the Love of a parent to a child and this kid he didn't do anything against the parents his grandmother's been telling him his whole life eat so he T took her advice and he he ate G hate he's not doing anything against his parents you still money from one of the thing yeah he did all right supposed to steal money he did all right that that's the that's the terrible thing the kid stole some money from his parents he's foolish kid what do these parents now have to do they have to subdue the love they have to the kid and let the love they have for Hashem overpower the love they have for their child what what is expected of the parent is to demonstrate that even the greatest love in this world needs to be subdued for the sake of a greater love and that's the love of the re the purpose of the is to teach that one's ultimate love must be for the rebish even more than his own child isn't a better example oh now is just a story of what happened but it wasn't a command and he does bring that he says they're obligated to have their love of the Prevail over the love of the child they are the ones you can't ask the uncle to bring the kid to bezin you can't ask the the third cousin you can't ask the rad the parents themselves must bring the child and says this is already explicit and mentioned by the AA Abraham even though he loved Anda especially was born in his old age and after they had long given up hope but commanded him to be he was mag the love that he had for y he was M the love he had for the over the love for his child and that is why Abraham is the only one called abam abam you love me what do you mean who doesn't love hasm no you love me even more than the greatest love in this world and this is the purpose of the topic of benara so even though it never happened and it never will happen the lesson of the benara is that the ultimate love in this world in everybody's heart whether you have family you don't have family whether you have other people whatever a person loves in this world the ultimate Ava needs to be for the and that's the lesson of the now the seem to indicate that was certainly David and his wife did not have the same voice they did not have the same appearance and they did not have the same height also in order to be benar you have to be a certain age which was not nevertheless the Batum says the gatria of is doesn't work doesn't work what and z i 47 yeah so it does work you just have to figure out how so the the best so also is of the opinion that was somewhat of a and we'll have to investigate how that could have been now Rashi is bothered by the following question the kid might not be a good kid he may come home with flunks on you know bad grades may come home with 60s on his report card and the RBI writes on the back that what in the world are you doing with this kid at home your bad parents nevertheless why is the kid he didn't do anything that terrible so he ate he went to all you could eat and he stole his parents credit card all right kids have done worse why do we kill the kid soash says look the famous words right now he's a good kid but we kill him because of what will be now you should know right now he didn't steal anything yet if ultimately he's going to start depleting his father's money he's going to he's going to steal the credit card and then after a while going to all you could eat every single night there's not going to be any more credit left so he's going to need to get from somebody else so he's going to have to rob a bank he robs the bank then somebody is going to stand up against him and he's going to kill so ultimately we look into his future and we say this guy is going to be a murderer so let's kill him now while innocent before he becomes guilty he's going to stand by the crossroads he's going to hold people up die Innocent but we don't want him to die guilty so basically we project his future right like in his eighth grade yearbook you know I once you know what is this person going to be when he grows up this guy's an astronaut the other guy's an engineer this guy's you know serial murder murderer so we knock him off now we don't let him get there he didn't steal anything yet I think he says rashal something okay the big problem with this is that the ways of the ream are quite different than this does not deal with a person based on the way they will be but deals with a person here and now the way they are right now and everybody knows the famous example of this is is when the Jewish people when is was dying of thirst and yeah let him die why why would you keep him around don't you know what his descendants are going to do to K Isel they're going to be they're going to kill them they're going to they're going to make them die of thirst so says look right now he's a right now he's a good kid let him beem listen to his voice right says we're going to judge the way he is now the Heavenly Angels were accusing you're going to give water to a kid whose descendants are going to cause your children to die of thirst andem responded what is he now said and that is so the entire concept of flies in the face of the in of this is the of all the all the I'm going to tell you the basic five answers to this question okay the first who we're going to deal with who ask the question is the nothing to do with um the senior K over here because you're all uh you're all this is zakim yeah so M Zim asks um he brings rash that just because Thea went and ate a lot you're going to kill him so it's because we project the future he says um what about so that's the question everyone get the question there's no comparison Because by the the reason why we project the future is because he already started the past which would lead him on to the eventual future in other words he's already on he already started sinning he already eating too much so what he do he's already that sin he's already on the path he's already began the projectile in other words it's not like we're looking uh we're reading his uh giving him a psychic reading and trying to figure out what he's going to be we see from his actions now where he is going to end up but by is he didn't do anything from which we're going that we could figure out what his end will be and therefore yesal is judged by the way he is in other words ream only will project somebody's future if their actions indicate what their future will be again because judges a person what oh even though he was causing pain but nevertheless uh it wasn't it was I guess categorized as regular sibling rivalry how do we know for wouldn't dosn't change we project out does that presume that there's no CH possible how do you know that no but we take our chances better better to take your chances let him die innocent then uh give him the opportunity to uh destroy his life okay that's the first and that is we only project the future if the actions now indicate that way as opposed to if it's just a matter of like prophecy looking into the future and then gives another answer and that is yes wasn't going to do anything to us it was his descendants his descendants we're not going to project we're not going to punish a father because we project what his descendants are going to be but a person themselves the will reject what a person themselves possibly will do in the future he says it's not himself who will kill us and so that's answer number two so answer number one is only if the actions now indicate what the future will be answer number two is only the person themselves but not their children okay also brings down this question and he brings down the mrai who says the following that it's a little bit deeper and that is we need to know more than just the person will be a bad person we have to see in their actions that their actions now themselves are a beginning of the wrong that the person will do in the future so for example maybe he shot arrows at and maybe he was but he did not um harm anybody with thirst that from there we would project that in the future he would harm the Jewish people with thirst as opposed to the Ben eating a lot of meat is something that somehow directly connects to um murderous behavior and this is gives another answer a very interesting answer maybe even counterintuitive three bam does not judge a person based on their future sh will judge a person based on their future down here in this world we look at a person we say if you don't have a good future you're out of here we we knock you off now you would think it's just the opposite you would think what do we know about the person's future we don't really know a person only the knows for sure the Future No says I deal with you the way you are now I don't care about your future so bezen shato is given license to punish a person based on their future so if you have for example not somebody's Aura he's a perfectly good Yesa student whatever he graduates he gets right right he's a rub and a Sho yeah something happens that turns him and becomes an abuser and he becomes a murderer yeah and he goes completely off the D yeah so this B sh now have the right to say that when he's 18 19 years old he's sitting in the sh and learning this person there's no way for them to know what the guy's future is if there's no indication now so it's not just they have to have an indicator obviously well how would they well they're not NM they're not prophets but in other words when how don't know this Ben isn't going to change the answer is you know people take certain paths in life and everybody could always do CH both ways you got to have it the opening of let me ask you a question a guy is um a guy killed someone and um and bz's about to give them capital punishment so the guy said why you punish me I did CH I just said V I said and I I said VI and I had and I made a cab I'm never going to do it again how could bezin kill bz doesn't care about your cha bz deals with this world you're in other words the according to according to the one second according to the this concept of is only a license given to the does not judge a person judges a person what would have done withh gin whatever but look what he changed his life good no we don't find that no he was not a nice person okay soz would have had control they would have knocked them off it's only in the case how many rishes were there I don't know not too many there's only one person ra you're right anyone could do Chua the gates of Chua are never closed but bottom line is that the more person sins the harder it is to do it's very different became very small percentage right and what percent of ghavan became murderers much higher percentage okay so that's that's a very interesting answer said that thez sh could judge the sh does not judge so explain the Jewish babies which were put inside the Bricks by took one out and said you will see will be so we see that he also did the same thing well then judge them no it doesn't mean that's the reason why they were kill we don't always know all the of we know because he said take one out and he did take one out and is that that allowed to to knew babies won be I hear okay so that's the third answer that the inion ofam is given to um mil now the in the in the he brings down five reasons five answers for this question of the difference between yes and the but he brings another another uh detail and that is that the say one of the reasons why the threw into the pit is because they judged and they said why should we let him live who's going to come out of wow so we see the the who were azen right they convened and their bz sh they also judged and the question is what about the of so the brings five answers number one there's a difference between and which is mentioned and that would answer the as well they were that's why they judge um second answer listen to this it's only AA that we judge cuz who is the mother of the b f so he doesn't have fully Jewish blood anyway he comes from so a kid like this who doesn't have pure the pure lineage we judge him a shamei however is who came from Hagar and Hagar were converted we don't judge Jews Jews we judge that's the second answer of the number three This Is The Answer theak mentioned that yes did not do anything bad it was his children so we're not going to judge somebody based on what we project the children to be judge what his children do right so that would not answer the the okay number four so how is it that when it comes to Esa we call him isra M but we don't give this title to is why don't we call um mhm yeah that's probably not working with that it's a to call to consider a Jew you're right okay number four the reason why the judged is in in a normal objectively we don't judge a person Ali but it's to protect yourself you're allow to judge somebody Ali how would they be hurt by King Fortune well they're they're descendants were in Jeopardy of being hurt by the or like this really you don't judge a person so why the brothers judge judg the suspected about the that all these things that they're doing they would eventually would lead them to a bad behavior so they dealt with quid pro they dealt with okay back to the gas why do we punish the says the stier stier all very often finds that the comments of rash the comments ofar are the gatria of the words of theer says the Gat of is of is the same as okay now I want to point out that two times he's called the first time is the word spelled with but then when the parents come to B and they say the word is spelled without a so why does it have a the first time and not have a the second time well the gar says in sanin that there are six disqualifications in that would exempt somebody from being number one if the father and mother were missing their legs if they were crippled if they were mute if they were deaf blind or in a city that does not have zakum there are six exemptions from being say suggest this perhaps is only to exempt from skila but in order to mive malus then we would still give a even if the parents are crippled missing a leg mute and so forth so the first of which is speaking about the of because it says over there it's spelled with because even if you don't have these six things nevertheless you still become B but the second P which talking about the it's missing above to say that if any of these six things are missing you do not become a Ben does because maybe that's the opinion of rabih Huda but others say no benar is a realistic possibility and they don't have to have the exact same voice okay now let's think very carefully why do we kill the we judge him based on what he's going to do and what do we worri he's going to do what does it matter then if his parents are missing winds why we kill the because of what he's going to do what what are we worried he's going to do he's going to kill someone so what's the punishment of someone who kills someone he killed which which so why would we give the Ben if the reason we're killing him cuz we project what he's going to do well if we're projecting he's going to kill someone then we should give him if the projection is he why him the stones are projected the stones are projected but we should maybe project the instead um okay so this question is asked by look at number 14 brings the comments of he says on the sixth line excuse me it's so we we give him the SW we give him with the sword why would we give him AA worse than if he would actually have done the crime if he actually does the crime that we project him to do then he's and now that he wants to do it so you know how could we punish him worse for what he is projected to do than if he actually did it well we do have a concept when it comes to reward that when you want to do a Mitzvah you get more reward than if you actually do the Mitzvah but when it comes to I don't know if it would make sense to say you're going to get a greater punishment for wanting to do than actually doing it so says the truth is that the AOS that we project the kid to do are not only killing he's going to kill someone presumably he would also be M shabis and he would also curse his father and mother which are AOS that you get skila for however just for projecting those AOS we would never kill them at all why not we would wait for him to actually violate it yeah mean how do you give someone one second but penalty without and and before he actually does it well that's the whole concept of of Y but in this case if we project that he's going to Rob and kill innocent people the idea here is we project he's going do every a in the book it's just the reason we kill him is since one of the a we project do is kill people in order to protect innocent lives we knock him off early but once we're knocking him off we knock him off with skila because one of the AAS that we project he's going to do is is in other words say they're both true we project he's going to violate every a but just because we project someone's going to violate a it's not a reason to that the person should die young but what is a reason that the person should be taken away early is that if we project he's going to take away innocent lives we have to protect the innocent now but but but if he's kill someone then the death penalty he's going to incur is only s yeah but but once we're going to take him away we might as well punish him for all the a we project he's going to do which are so really they're both true we would never take somebody away for AOS that we project they're going to do if not for the projection of of taking an innocent life but once we do that we give him the punishment of ofas by the way the one of the alludes to this um very succinctly he says um number 13 in other words we're worried he's going to rob people and kill them on chabas in other words this idea that he's destined to kill people not just on a Monday he would even kill them on a shabas and he would be for that very interesting TOA you can't become a Ben in in case you're wondering you cannot the so if you didn't get up to that yet in if you only did the ones in and and you didn't get up to the Inus so the in says why he don't call because for the last 33 years lived in and this reion happened probably in but um during the six months he was running away from a I don't know if he was in though yeah during the time of sh ran after David David may not have even been a king he may have lost his but the has a very interesting suggestion and that is the says that the calls out and let enter and fill up his stomach with meat why speak about all you could eat he would eat 300 cows and he eat 300 barrels of wine and he would drink 40 s he would eat 40a of pigeons just for dessert 300 cows 300 barels of wine and 40 pigeons 40 saw of pigeons for desserts that was the they said all the life of there was never any in the okay there was never the he uh took care of it according to this in there were and there was noar therefore what could you expect from a kid you can't punish a kid who becomes a because there's a lot of meat to eat over there and therefore the city of where there was a lot of says was exempt from the concept of so if you want all you could eat you got to wait for the B mikdash to be rebuilt but until then it remains a little bit of a questionable Behavior by the way writes in the writes the following Samer says he saw a story where somebody had a child that passed away young a wondrous child a child who is M alyah and the parents were inconsolable until the parents had a dream and in the dream the they saw their child converted to another religion and the father was crying and the father was pulling out his hair and he woke up and he realized it was only a dream and when he woke up in the dream he realized that what theam did was the allowed the child to be and commented on this story in the that he is personal personally aware of the story and he believes it is a true account so what we learning is that there are two there are two there are two ways that operat a person could be judged person could be judged by the way they are right now and that is the way is was judged and that is the way the re the sh could sometimes view a person and on other occasions there's a where either the is given license to judge a person by the way they are destined to be but whatever hhoga is used we know all command and we you've just experienced another Torah class brought to you by Torah anytime.com