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>> Good morning, friends. We're continuing
in Mishnah Berurah Daf Hashavua.
We're learning Siman kuf samach zayin.
By the way,
we are about to begin
in the new year
uh
Pas Hababah Kisin
We'll see when we start. So, make sure
you tell your friends, your family to
join us for Mishnah Berurah Daf Hashavua
to learn Hilchos Pas Hababah Kisin Siman
tes zayin.
Ein Habotzei'a rasha'i l'havotzei'a.
The one who breaks the bread is not
allowed to break the bread ad
she'yichleh amen mipiy ro'iv ha'onim
until the majority of the responders
answer amen.
You don't have to wait for every last
straggler. You know, you have the people
that
they they're delay they you know,
they're spacing out
because their phone is on them on off,
so they're distracted.
So,
and
they answer late. You don't have to wait
for those guys.
You only have to wait until ad
she'yichleh amen mipiy ro'iv ha'onim.
Says Mishnah Berurah in Habotzei'a ein
um motzi'im yedei chovas um bracha if
he's being motzi them. Amen mipiy ro'iv
she'gam ani as amen miklal bracha hi.
Because even answering amen
is part of the bracha.
What?
Even answering amen is part of the
bracha?
Is that that really the case?
Wasn't that
the the Rama?
Because the Mechaber said in Safed, you
should say hamotzi lechem min haaretz.
The maran mesubim yichavnu libam
leshmaia bracha veyano amen.
And
the Mishnah
Berurah explained
da'anias amen gam kein miklal brachi. I
you already made the bracha
by answering amen, it's chashuv yotzei.
Therefore, you should be mechaven
lotzeis ba'anias amen. I am Be'er
Halacha, do you remember that Be'er
Halacha?
Where we where we said
that
uh it's from the Darkei Tshuva and the
Or Zarua.
Now, even though the Be'er Halacha said
even though this is brought in the
Yerushalmi,
in no other place is this found.
Uve'emes kol hamvarech ba'atzmo eizo
bracha ein tzorech l'amen klal u'klal.
Baderech avos ha'inayim amen harei zeh
bor.
And the conclusion of the Be'er Halacha
was Uvaruch Hashem shematza davar acher
b'sefer Shugos Ha'ari gam kein rishus.
He had a different girsah in the
Yerushalmi.
And yet here, even the machaber is
saying
that the amen is part of the bracha. And
here it comes from Rashi. What do you
mean it's part of the bracha? Not part
of my bracha.
Why don't I need to wait
to break the bread until you answer
amen? What do you got Why do you have to
wait for you?
So, Mishnah Berurah says, no, it's
miklal the bracha.
So, is this supportive of that din of
the Rama that the Be'er Halacha said, I
don't know where he got it from. They're
different There's another girsah in the
Yerushalmi. So, there's no basis for
that. Or is it only there's no basis
that you need to be mechaven to be
yotzei with the amen of the Oinim, but
everybody agrees that Amen is
Meklaw the Bracha.
But
the minority, they're gargling during
their Amen. You don't have to wait for
them to call Amen.
Anyone who answers
with a elongated Amen is only making a
mistake.
The Boytza sticks out his hand first to
the plate to eat.
If you want to let someone else take
before him, he's allowed to.
Whether they just gave him permission
to be Boytza.
So then he sticks his hand first.
The Kivan
once they gave you the cover to make the
Bracha first for the Boytza and to be
Boytza
it is right to
that you should stretch out your hand to
the plate first.
>> [snorts]
>> The Boytza
puts the piece of bread in front of each
person.
Everyone takes it in their hand.
avel. You do not hand the bread directly
to someone else's hand unless he's a
mourning.
Okay? So, you put the bread down in
front of him. You do not hand it to his
hand.
Why only if he's an avel? Cuz the possuk
says in Eicha,
remes lafrusas hamotzi. It's a remes to
the piece of hamotzi she noisenin biadai
bishas aveilus that you place into
someone's hand
during aveilus. Says Mishna Berura
aveilus yizrok chaticha hamotzi al
hashulchan ochelim.
Do not throw the bread. Afilu im lo
nimnas hamachli de'azrika, even if the
bread does not become disgusting by
throwing it,
don't throw it. Place it.
So, let's say the guy's on the other
side of the table and you can't place
it. Then you pass it on a plate. But, do
not pass it hand to hand.
Aside from the fact that maybe the bread
will fall into
some dip.
Um
it's also a bizayon for the mitzvah
because hamotzi is a mitzvah.
Remember, we had that svara before that
perhaps that since bread is is
is not necessarily just birchas hanenin
and it's also in a way birchas hamotzi,
there's an element of mitzvah to bread.
On Shabbos, you cannot hand to the hand
of an avel cuz otherwise it's aveilus
befarhesya.
It is not proper to hand it to someone's
hand if they're not an avel so that it
doesn't weaken his muscle.
Now this Rav Vosner says is only the
Hamotzi. If you want to pass gefilte
fish in your hand, you know, you want to
give out shurayim,
then you could do that with in your
hand. You could do that.
>> I've seen people throw bread, like holy
people.
>> Have you ever seen someone bring a phone
into a shul?
Just wondering.
>> Rabbi may have worked under this person
as well.
>> Yeah?
Uh, I don't know. Mishnah Berurah says
not to throw it.
Yeah, it could be there's some kind of
Hasidic thing, but up to halakha you
can't do it.
>> Does Mishnah Berurah give a reason for
not handing hand to hand?
What was the this last one?
>> Yeah, because
it's a sign of aveilus.
Cuz we find in in Eicha, parsha tziyon
biyadeha.
It says by the
by the churban, they would hand the
bread hand to hand.
>> [clears throat]
>> Sif yud tes, misha inu oichel inu yochal
u'varech birchas Hamotzi l'hotzi
oichlin.
Let's say a guy's not eating. The guy's
on one of those diets. I don't know, the
keto, you know, you'll have me at the
South Beach diet. The guy's not eating
any carbs.
So, he but he wants to be motzi everyone
else. No, no, no, no, no, he can't do
that. If you're not eating, you can't be
motzi.
Aval l'ketanim yochal u'varech aval
bisha'ino oichel k'dei l'chancho
b'mitzvos u'virchas. Minors, you can
make a bracha even if you're not eating
to train them. Says Mishnah Berurah, inu
yochal
Even if the guy
doesn't know how to make a bracha, he He
read Hebrew.
So, arvus. now you have no are of us.
You have there's no such thing as are of
us. You don't have to eat for your
friend.
You need to do mix. If he's obligated in
a mitzvah, then you're obligated in the
mitzvah. But, you don't you it's bad
enough you have to eat for yourself. No,
you don't worry about other people
eating.
It's enough you've already I have enough
for yourself. Don't think about other
people's eating. You do not uh have
you cannot make um
a bracha uh bracha hanenen for somebody
if you're not eating. Even if the guy
can't do it himself. Bracha hamotzi.
Well, then bracha bracha hanenen. The
dafka bracha hamitzvah shakal Yisrael
are even za za this week's parsha.
The haniglo slanu olvanenu.
The hasha haver lo yotzi leya mitzvah.
If your friend was in your to mitzvah
have a ki lo hu layotza. Mi shamo yochal
lo heitzi a filu hu kvar yotzi leya
mitzvah. Therefore,
you could be meitzi him
even though you already yotzi mashin.
Can be bracha hanenen she af al pi she
hin choyva al hanenen levarech. Even
though the one who's getting enjoyment
is obligated to make the bracha, the
osur lehanes me olam zeh blei bracha.
You're not allowed to take pleasure from
this world without a blessing. Be kama
miyada she lehanes levarech. But, that
guy could also not get pleasure and not
make the bracha.
Oisur she inenena. Therefore, he who is
not getting benefit
He's not called obligated in this
bracha. The Ein lechaman siman kuf tzadi
zayin sef dalid be mishnah brurah
leinyan bracha hamotzi.
By the way,
the mishnah brurah says even though mi
deoraisa you could be meitzi someone in
bracha hamotzi even if you didn't eat,
mi derabonan you're not allowed to.
So, by bracha hanenen you can't do it at
all and by benching mi derabonan you
can't.
Av lechtanim [snorts]
you could make the bracha.
What about katanim?
Someone else's kid.
I don't have to I don't have to um
train someone else's kid.
So, am I allowed to make a bracha? Or
what about a a mother? Do you know that
a mother does not have a mitzvah of
chinuch?
Don't tell anybody. The mitzvah of
chinuch is on the father, not on the
mother, according to most opinions.
According to most shitas, chinuch is
only on a father, not on a mother.
It's a big sugia in Shas, but l'maaseh,
the mitzvah of chinuch is on the father.
So, could a mother make a bracha with a
kid?
I don't know. But, now he's talking
about a man with someone else's kid. Gam
ken muttar l'varech im im kashrus
m'hales v'ein yod'im b'atzman. You
could.
>> They say arvus that the other person's
mitzvah, so you could do it.
>> There's no arvus on a kid. The kid
doesn't have a chiyuv to do it.
>> other the other father, whoever whoever
is mechuyav to mechanech that child.
Someone's someone's mechuyav to
mechanech them.
>> He's mechuyav to mechanech them, but
he's not mechuyav in in the bracha.
>> Whoever is mechuyav to teach that child
the bracha, that's who you It's arvus
for that.
>> I don't know if that transfers. Maybe I
you have arvus on that, but that doesn't
mean
that now you're mechuyav in the bracha.
You might be mechuyav to ensure that he
is mechanech his kid. Amuch,
I'm responsible to make sure you're you
train that kid, but that doesn't mean
I'm responsible for that kid.
It's
Okay. Gam ken muttar l'varech im
suddenly if they're members of your
household.
For [clears throat] adults, I feel they
basically even members of your own
household not me lie. You can't do it.
If your kid needs you to make the
brocha, he does not do it himself and
he's already over bar mitzvah, you can't
do it for him.
Later on in Siman Taf Ad
Mishnah Berurah says
that if you want to teach your friend to
make a brocha and you say it with him
word by word and your friend will answer
Baruch Baruch Atah Atah
It's It's okay. It's not a brocha
l'vatala. The Shulchan Aruch explains
that I we say over here l'gedolim,
you're not allowed to make the brocha.
That's if you're saying it for them
mitzvat brocha. I'm being motzi you. Oh,
wait, I'm motzi you. I'm not chayav in
it. I can't be motzi. I can't transfer
it.
I'm allowed to teach you
and I can even say Hashem's name.
But for me to say it, it won't transfer
to you. It can only transfer to you if
I'm muchuyav and I'm not muchuyav just
because you want to eat an apple. I'm
not muchuyav in ha'eitz. You hear the
cheilek?
Okay, we'll hold it over here.
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