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to nyak. These are the progeny of
[clears throat] Rashi says the reason
why the Tory segways into deeds is
because
once we mention we praise him
or to tell you the main progeny of
like we said this morning inesh
we said
for all of their products.
In this week's para, we have two amazing
words.
And then again,
So the question is why does it repeat
twice in par?
Rashi says the first time was a blessing
puru. The second time is a command
or Rashi says the second time is to
juxtapose purvu to
to teach that one who does not engage in
purvu it's akin to murder.
Okay fine
what I would like to talk about today is
the mitzvah of purvu.
Okay. So this year may not be for a
general audience but
uh it's a very important topic. What is
the mitzvah of puru? When I say what is
the mitzvah? In order to know what the
mitzvah is, you need to know what to do.
By l of an everybody knows what to do.
You hold the l of anri the mitzvah of
you know what to do. You put on the
titus. You wear the you light the shabas
candles. Obviously
um if you haven't learned by now you
also have to have kavana tok the mitzvah
for so for example if let's say we learn
to right now but you forget to have to
of
then at least you didn't speak lash for
an hour but whether you get the mitzvah
of the says no that's why right now is a
good idea to have kavana we're having
kavana
the mitzvah the you're listening to the
sh you might as well get for it. Yeah.
Now the does say you'll get but who
wants you know when you're when you're
on the line upstairs
you want to get it's like if you go to
the pizza store and the the guy you you
give the guy I don't know when I was a
kid a slice was a dollar. Now I don't
know it's like $5. I don't know how much
more. So imagine you give him five bucks
and there's a big bubble that takes up
90% of the slice. So you say the guy, I
paid five bucks. You call this pizza. He
says
it's pizza. So you don't want to go
upstairs and you're going to say I want
reward for and they don't give you the
full reward. And you're going to say
that's reward. They're going to say you
did the mitzvah. We're giving you said
no I did. I did I had to
anyway
we're going to talk about what is the
mitzvah of pur
so you say what exactly what are the
choices here I mean uh you to procreate
then it requires the act of relations so
presumably that's the mitzvah the
mitzvah is the act of relations
actually the Ramban has a very
interesting onto
The Raman says something amazing which
again not for a general audience. The
Raman says originally and were created
do parts back to back. So then how would
they procreate there? Obviously there
was some way where they were able to
transfer what needed to be transferred
to create a child. Yeah. But that was
complicated process. So Hashem said
listen carefully.
It's would be easier if I split them and
then they would be opposite each other
cuz that would facilitate. Okay.
Okay. That's the Ramban. The question is
what is the mitzvah of
what are the choices? Again presumably
it would be the act of relations. It
would be the misabia. However, the
shagasar has an amazing question.
You know, um I'm making a bar mitzvah
coming up and paras.
So for for many years whenever one of
the boys got bar mitzvah, I would give
like part of the baritzvah series. So I
found the line I use it for all the all
the boys. The the line is like this.
This is great. It's from Kyki. Elioi
comes to every bris and the shagasar
comes to every bar mitzvah. It's one of
my favorite lines. Yeah. Elio Anovi
comes to a bris and the shagasar comes.
Why? Because you have to quote the
shagasar at
anyway. Here's the shagasar. This is not
baritzvah. I'm just it's a nice line
about the shagasar.
The shagasar lived from 1695
to 1785.
And the shagisar is reputed to have
reviewed shas
>> 1,000 times
1,000 times
and the shagar wrote a pakash
called and he asked the following
question asked the shagar
the garra says like this
what if somebody had uh children when
they were goim somebody was a gentile
and vinegay and then they converted
um so the rabbi said you know once you
convert you can't bring your phone into
the schul anymore the guy said okay I'm
going to convert I'm going to convert
and the rabbi said you know from now on
you can't eat mos for shalashudas once
you're Jewish you have to actually wash
for shalashudas he said okay I'm going
to wash for shalashudas
so the thing is he had a boy and a
And then he converted
said that he fulfills
even though think about it he didn't
have any more children once he converted
but if he had children as a and then
he converted says he gets the mitzvah
here let me make it uh see if I can make
it bigger
um
let Let me see if I could How do I do
this?
Make it a little bit bigger.
Um,
okay.
No, I don't know how to do
says you get the mitzvah.
Says you don't get the mitzvah.
Says you're puru because you have
children.
Why don't Why don't I get the mitzvah?
The guy converted. Does he have to go
buy groceries? Yeah. Does he have to buy
toys for his kids? Yeah. Do they keep
him up at night? Yeah. Are they loud?
Yeah. So, what what didn't he do? He
brought kids into the world. He's the
father of kids. Says, "No,
they're not his children. He's not
related to them.
He the the rule is that when somebody
converts it's like they're born. He has
no relation to his former relatives. So
says you're mimit
says you're not Mim the mitzvah. Fine.
Comes a shagasar and the shagasar asks
the following kasha.
The garra talks about somebody who had
bouts of insanity.
Sometimes he's insane and sometimes he's
normal, you know, like many people.
Yeah. Sometimes he's mishuga and
sometimes he's sane. So the garra says,
"What if he ate the matzah when he was a
mishuga and then he snapped out of it?"
So says, "You're not y because you did
the mitzvah when you were you were not a
badass and you you um did not have says
that to perish.
Since at that moment you were a fool.
Okay. So says if you ate the matzah when
you're crazy and then you became normal,
you don't get the mitzvah because you
did the mitzvah as an
when you become normal that night.
you have to eat again because the
original eating doesn't count.
In that case, why does say that if
somebody fathered children when he was a
and then he converted, he's mim the
mitzvah, but he did the misa mitzvah as
a aum and a are not in the mitzvah
of puru. So they were not
they were not
they're not are not mitsua in puru by
the way. Do you know why?
because it's a mitzvah
that was given to Adam and it was not
repeated at hari any mitzvah said to the
benyak not repeated oni only Jews are
and go
so ask the shagisar if regarding matzah
if you eat the matzah in a state of
insanity and then you snap out of it you
don't get the mitzvah and you have to
eat the matzah again Then why if you
father children as a go as an
and you convert you should have to have
the children again. Friends, clearly the
shagasar learns the mitzvah puru is the
bia is the act of relations because the
shagasar is asking the same way if you
ate matzah in a state of insanity you
did the act as an
so then when you snap out of it you're
say likewise
if you fathered the children as a
gentile so you did the act of the bia
when your
so when you become Jewish you should
have to father more children and says
you're in the puru that's the kash of
the but one thing you see from the that
shag understands that the mitzvah of
ravu is the act of relations
okay and that would have been uh the
simple way of understanding the mitzvah
of puru
comes
Rabbad
1801 to 1874
brother-in-law of the
and the has a completely different take
on the mitzvah of
says you know like
but the brings a
What if a person fathered children and
Leoleno the children died?
You get the mitzvah, you don't get the
mitzvah.
You get the mitzvah. I'm sorry. You do
not get the mitzvah.
What's the If you take a l of ank and
then the l of ank blows up, you got the
mitzvah. Yeah, but the lu of blew up.
Okay, good. It's a good thing I I shook
it before it blew up. What's If you lit
the Shabas candles and then they go out,
you get the mitzvah. Yeah. Why? But they
went out. Okay. It's a good thing I lit
them before they went out. What's if
somebody
uh gives saddaka to ani and then the
loses the money? You get the mitzvah.
Yeah. But the lost the money. Okay. But
it's good thing I gave it to him.
But the is if somebody father children
and the children die, you don't get the
mitzvah. Pervu.
If the mitzvah was the act of relations,
I did the act of relations. So why does
a person lose the mitzvah if the
children don't survive? Says the says
the from here we see the mitzvah is not
like other mitzvah. It's not like lul.
It's not like matzah. Lul and matzah
have no duration. Once you do the act
say here the mitzvah is not the
relations. Bia is not the mitzvah. The
bia is a mitzvah.
What's the mitzvah?
Having children. Being the father of
children.
And if the children die, you're not the
father of children. The mitzvah is not
the act of relations. The mitzvah is
having the children.
Pu is different than every other
mitzvah. Every other mitzvah is an act.
Take the eat the matzah. Shake the lul.
Put on the mitzvah is not the mitzvah is
being the father of children.
Oh says
this would answer the
says in
that according to
like that if somebody had children when
they were and they convert your mim
the mitzvah and the asks why you mitzvah
just like by matzah if you ate matzah
when you're in a state of insanity and
you snap out of it you have to eat it
again so if you had children as a
when you were in anabua
So shouldn't you have to father children
again?
But according to what I've advanced in
it's not a question at all. Matzah and
lul
as soon as you ate the matzah as soon as
you took the lul you're the mitzvah.
Therefore if you did that if you did the
act when you were inva you got to do it
again. But the mitzvah of having
children is
that the children should be there. The
mitzvah of having children is having the
children. Being in a state that you
could check off the box, I have children
in this world.
So when somebody fathered children as a
gentile
and then they converted, do they have
children right now? Yes, they do. Is
there somebody whining in their ear?
Yes, there is. Do they have to drive
carpel? Yeah. Yeah, but they produced it
as an we don't care when they produced
it. The production is a mitzvah. It's
not the mitzvah.
The production of the children is not
the mitzvah. It's a mitzvah. The mitzvah
is having them
is having them. And they should be
attributed to you. Well, you have them.
relate to him anymore.
>> What?
>> Oh, good. That's opinion. Would say
they're not related to you. But says
they're still your child. You you are
the one you are their biological father.
Right? If we took if we did a DNA test,
are you the one responsible that they
came into in other words, are these
children attributable
biologically to you? Yes. So then you
the mitzvah I but you produce them at a
time. The production is not the mitzvah.
The mitzvah is being their father. Says
that's not called your father. Says we
don't have to call it the father as long
as you're biologically the father. Now
says the the you know it's analogous to
what if somebody made matzah as a
He baked the matzah as a go with the
iselab and then he converted their
opinions. You could fulfill the mitzvah.
Why? Because I'm eating it as a yid. I
only baked it as a go. The baking of the
matzah.
Having children is like baking matzah.
Says
having the children is like putting them
in the oven. I put them in the oven. I
press 450. The be is putting them in the
oven and pressing 450.
Then once you take them out of the oven
and now you have them at your table
that's the mitzvah.
Okay. And therefore your y say the
mitzvah and therefore the mitzvah is n.
The proof is that if the shag was right
that the mitzvah was the then why if
they die do you lose the mitzvah? Nobody
would say if your lulaf died you lost
the mitzvah. It's irrelevant that the
lulv died. What? Nobody would say that
if after you put on fill and they became
pustle, you lose the mitzvah. You put
them on when it's kosher.
Therefore, the fact that say the fact
that the garra says that if the children
die, you get the mitzvah. That means the
mitzvah is having them. And once they
die, you no longer have them. The
mitzvah is not producing them. Okay,
that's how the answers the kasha of the
shagasari
Feinstein comes along
and
Feinstein disagrees with the
understanding of puro and actually this
is rather amazing.
[snorts] He says
that the understanding of prov is not
logical. You know why it's not logical?
God can only command you to do something
that's in your control. He can't command
you to do something that's not in your
control. We know the mitzvah puru is a
boy and a girl. We passing like a boy
and a girl. According to the what's the
mitzvah puru being the father of a boy
and a girl what that how could God
command a human being be the father of a
boy and a girl some people you know they
have their first kid is a boy their
second kid is a boy their third kid is a
boy their fourth kid is a boy their
fifth kid and they're not stopping
because they were not in the midst of
Peruv they literally have 11 boys
they're not I you know they they're not
capable of producing a nava they can't
do it for whatever reason. I don't know
what it is. They drink too much orange
juice or something. There there's some
there's some couples, you know, they
just produce boys. Some couples they
just produce girls. What? So theam is
telling them you you have to produce a
girl. You have to produce a boy. It's
not up to them. They do their part and
the rest is up to the shay.
So says it's not that to define the
mitzvah
as being the father of a boy and a girl
because it's not within a person's
control to be the father of a boy and a
girl.
Ramosha therefore says the mitzvah of
puru
is the attempt
is the act of beia that's the only thing
that's within human capacity the act
now still but the act doesn't do
anything until 9 months later a baby's
born
the baby being born is not the mitzvah
when after you do what you have to do a
boy is born and a girl is born at that
point you're exempt from the act of in
other words to fulfill the mitzvah the
mitzvah is like the shagar says the
mitzvah says is the by I and says you
know how you know what the proof is the
mitzvah is the bia
um
the proof is toisus and baba bas
Take a look at number 10. Okay, take a
look at number 10.
Do you remember the I call him the most
interesting man in the world? Who's the
most interesting guy in the world? The
most interesting guy in the world is the
you know he it's hard to quantify what
exactly is this guy. He's a
soar says that the Misha says
he holds you force the master and you
make him free. You know why? because he
can't marry anybody. He can't marry a
basin because he's half anes
he can't marry
a because he's half free. So we force
the master to free him completely. Askus
why do we force the master to free him?
Let him live with a
a Jewish girl. I He's an avid.
Let the mitzvah of puru that rides on
his half of being free push off
the isser
of
his
half living with a Jewish girl
says what do we need to free him for?
Let him just live with a regular Jewish
girl and we'll say
Okay.
Answers tois. No, there's no here cuz at
the time that he's the
he was already violating the ra the lav.
When is a person
violate the lav of living with a
gentile? Mishas har is the beginning of
is the mashik is when they the when they
come into contact however the mitzvah
puru you're not mim until the gy until a
complete act of bia is done says you see
clearly from tisus the mitzvah of purvu
is not
having children
it's Not
being the father of a child. The mitzah
purvu is a complete act of bia a bia
that's capable of producing a child. Now
we it may or may not produce a child.
Maybe it will successfully
and then it will produce a boy and then
maybe the next time will also produce a
boy. But the the mitzvah that is within
human capacity per to perform is not
being the father of a child. It's the
full act of by gamura as says explicitly
the puru is the complete act of bia
because you can't say that the mitzvah
is having a child. It's not within the
capacity of a human being to have a
child. That's up to God. The mitzvah is
the garb.
I the brought two proofs against this.
Proof number one was the garam. The
garam says that according to if you had
children as a guy
then
you're the mitzvah. But if the mitzvah
is the bia you did the bamura
as an
says ifus is correct that the mitzvah is
a gamar then the mitzvah is performed at
a time that you're not in a mitzvah
says an amazing
the mitzvah purvu is a bumur
and okay and at what point is a person
exempt from the mitzvah.
One becomes exempt in the mitzvah if
they have a boy and a girl. The mitzvah
is not having a boy and a girl. Having a
boy and a girl exempts you from having
to continue to perform the mitzvah. The
learns the mitzvah approves having of
the boy and the girl. Says that's not
logical. It's not within human capacity.
Human capacity can only do an act the
results are up to the shay. So says why
is it that if somebody
produced a child when they were a guy
why is it their m the puru? The answer
is because they no longer have an
obligation to fulfill the mitzvah. Why?
because they have a boy and a girl
says that's the reason why if their
children die they don't get the mitzvah.
Why? Because now they no longer they
lose their exemption. So long as the
children were alive they were exempt
from the mitzvah. If the children do not
survived they lose the exemption and now
they're in a state where they are not
exempt anymore. Now they have they have
an obligation again.
Now it comes out so it comes out
according to Misha something very
interesting that when the garama says
that if somebody produce a child as a
and they convert they're the mitzvah
according to they don't actually get
reward for the mitzvah it's just they
don't have an obligation to
to fulfill the mitzvah according to they
actually fulfilled the mitzvah. You see
the difference? According to Mosa, if
they had a a child as a if they had
children as a
according to Mosa, they're now exempt
from the mitzvah, but they don't get for
the mitzvah. According to the
person is the father of a boy and a
girl. He gets rewarded for the mitzvah.
So says Mosha his interpretation
of
is actually in the Mishna
because the Mishna doesn't say
how many children is a person obligated
to produce. It says
you should not
nullify. You should not cease from puria
unless you have children. Meaning having
children is not the fulfillment. Having
children exempts you from further
attempts.
So we have a basic
how do you define the mitzvah the
shagarinstein
learned the mitzvah is the act of by
it's just that
that act must be performed until you're
exempt and when are you exempt when you
have a boy and a girl therefore the
Mishna says at what point
therefore the mission says don't be mat
from puru until you have a boy and a
girl that's
says that if you had a
children as a and now you convert so
you're exempt from the mitzvah and if
the children die you're not exempt from
the mitzvah says no the mitzvah learns
the mitzvah puru is being the father of
a child brings a straight up from that
the mitzvah of purvu is the gamar bia
Yeah,
I want to bring to your attention some
other uh interesting points regarding
this mitzvah.
The uh we know that only men are in
Peru. A woman is not in the mitzvah.
Thema says interesting reason
the there's a rule
that means Hashem is not coming to bust
your chops
doesn't ask of a person something that's
painful or
extreme extremely difficult. Therefore
because it's a difficult process for a
woman. This is not a command Hashem gave
a woman but it's a command Hashem gave a
guy even though you know in the labor
and delivery room usually the guy is the
one hyperventilating and the woman is
fine you know and afterwards the they
ask how was it the guy says it was
really rough you know you know but
that's only because uh you know it was
>> ask a question
>> yeah go for it
>> if you
a boy and a No. So why do all the people
have a lot of children?
>> Ah, good question. Because there are two
mitzvah. One mitzvah is pur and that
mitzvah is a boy and a girl. And then
there's another mitzvah.
The world was not created to be empty to
be. It was created to be populated. The
greatest thing you could do in this
world is bring more children into the
world. It makes Hashem very happy. The
more children you have, the happier you
make.
>> Yeah. Because he needs people to
>> Yes. And also Raba.
>> Rabbi Isaac, I tell you what I heard
from Rabbi Victor Miller. You know in
the beginning
>> so how come how come they come to
that you don't know the from the guy but
they
have
a beautiful woman
>> okay I want to
>> okay one second that's uh I'm not
getting into that topic today but
regarding uh the mitzvah Puru the Gmani
says like this the vama says why does
the juxtapose puru to
indicate that those who do not engage in
purvu it's like murder why the garra
says something amazing the garar says
that by not engaging in you cause the to
leave the Jewish people it says
When you have children, the has a place
to dwell. If you don't have children,
where do you want the to live? You think
the lives
on? You think if you build a nice house
in the five towns or in Flatbush or in
Queens, God lives in the house. God
doesn't live in houses. He lives on
Jews. He lives on Jews who fear him. So
the garra says that if you don't engage
in purvu you cause god to leave the
world. So I once heard from a victor
miller in the beginning of boratious it
says the world was astonishingly empty
when darkness and the spirit of god
hovered over the waters. So of miller
asked why does the spirit of god need to
hover over the waters? Why can't it land
on the water? There are many planes that
could land on water. If a plane could
land on water why can't go land on
water? The answer is God doesn't live on
water. He only lives on yidden. He lives
on Jews and there are no Jews in the
world. There are no people. So,
by the way, the mitzvah of a woman does
have
here's another interesting uh uh
understanding of the mitzvah of Purvu
and the rad. The rad says Peru is
having the children. Revu is raising the
children.
So for example, if you feed your kids
breakfast, you're the mitzvah.
If you do homework with them, you're in
the mitzvah. You teach them some
manners, you revu. Peru is having the
children. Ravu is raising them. In the
safery,
he brings Peru is
raising them physically
and ravu is referring to the mitzvah of
which by the way according to most the
mitzvah of is only on the father not on
the mother
even though the mother ends up doing it
but the mitzah of is mitzah on the
father specifically which might be
another reason why the mitz of purvu is
only on the father. Now here there's
another aspect of
the says on the words
there should not be among you one who is
barren or infertile. The says
that one should be fertile in matters of
says
every day you want to expand and
increase to procreate
in
spiritually. The same way you need to
procreate physically you need to
procreate spiritually. Your mind cannot
be static
without producing novel ideas, new
ideas. Like it says in Perov,
those who don't increase their knowledge
will be wiped away.
Don't just learn what you learned
yesterday. You want to continue to learn
new things. You always need to enter the
base mish with a if you don't try to
constantly add then you become like a
dried out piece of wood.
So the same way Hashem says something
amazing. He says the same way Hashem
recreates the world there's no day that
doesn't have a novelty that wasn't in
the day before. The same way it's
so too a person should learn something
new every day that they didn't know the
day before. By the way, it's human
nature to want to learn new material and
to want to uh create new Torah ideas.
Now, the way the makes us expend that
human need is that he constantly draws
us to follow the news. What's new?
What's new? So if a person
um expends his his drive for newness on
the news then he remains like a dry
piece of wood because really in
there is no news. Most of it is made up.
Whatever is not made up is completely
fabricated. Whatever is not completely
fabricated is just invented. And
whatever is not invented is recycled
from yesterday.
And when they run out of yesterday,
they'll report something that happened a
year and a half ago. Sometimes you see,
oh, this unbelievable thing happened.
And then you see, oh, I think I saw that
happened. Yeah, it did. It happened like
6 months ago. But they don't have
anything new to report. Human nature is
a drive for newness. Newness and Tyra,
newness and Tyra creativity. And the
same way Hashem recreates the world
daily, one should every day try to
expand their knowledge of Tyra, learn
new material, learn new ideas. Actually
in the
on the
he says you want to be vera
to create novel ideas. actually
regarding the suga of Benazi
where the Gomorrah says in that someone
who doesn't engage in purvu it's like
and they told Benazi
that you're
cuz you never got married said what
should I do
so in his
explains What did Benaz mean
says?
What Benaz was saying is I'm not able to
fulfill the mitzvah physically, but I'm
able to fulfill the mitzvah by teaching
others and my Torah creativity. That was
the production. That was the true.
That's how he was.
Actually there's a very nice
three times we have the words we have
we have
and we have
the the
says this is a that the mitzvah
was not repeated from Sai therefore it
was only said to not to Ben remember I
said in the beginning of this year any
mitzvah that was said to Ben and not
repeated at is only incumbent upon Jews
and not Ben.
So the way we understand the
when when did that kick in? When was
that binding? from
and at that time the ceased.
The mitzvah of Puru is considered
um from one of the most important
mitzvah in the Tory as it is the very
first mitzvah in the Tyra.
What that mitzvah is by the way I want
to come back to this for a moment. The
shagari says says it's the bamura and
the says it's having children. It comes
out a very interesting as my
brother-in-law Shiman Pinter the uh Kel
of the Freehold pointed out there's a
very interesting
between
and the and that is what's better
let's say a person has is it better to
have
10 boys and then finally when you're 99
years old have a girl or is it better to
have a boy and a girl right away? What's
better off? Is it better to have the boy
and the girl right away or is it better
to not until when you're already 119
years old and you're already in an old
age home in a wheelchair, that's when
you have you're a girl. So the would be
if the mitzvah is the act of by. So
every time the bumura is performed
that's a mitzah da puru and you're
exempt once you have a boy and a girl
according to the longer it takes to
fulfill the mitzvah
the greater the mitzvah is because
you've done the act multiple times many
times each time is a mitza and you were
never exempt until finally in the end
you had a boy and a girl according to
the mitza is being the father of a boy
and a girl. So you're better off getting
married at 13. At 14 maybe you already
have a boy and a girl and then for the
ne next 106 years you're being the
mitzvah of being the father of a boy and
a girl. That's that would be a
interestingly in the I would add another
is is if somebody had a boy and a girl
when they were go and then they
converted
do do they get reward for the mitzvah
according to they don't get reward they
didn't actually fulfill the mitzvah
they're are just exempt from the mitzvah
and according to they are fulfilling the
mitzvah being the father of a boy and a
girl. It's a very interesting
between
how do you quantify the mitzvah of pu
okay wishing everyone a wonderful day
may stay tuned
uh we have this year the series on the
malb the all para malb series very
beautiful material also we're going to
try for another series on the raan all
para so you could uh follow that on tour
anytime or other platforms. Have a good
day everyone. You want to say something?
>> Yeah. Just wondering,
let's say somebody has a brave girl and
they died, but he has grandchildren.
>> So, I believe then they they I believe
they um
they in other words there they they
continue to be exempt. In other words,
they did get the mitzvah.
here
for those grandchildren so to speak in a
sense.
>> Yes.
>> To have minister.
>> Yes.
>> No. No. No.
But
>> there
>> no he goes to Ghana then
>> how does he want
to
let boys
>> that mean that you
the