Mishna Berura DH Siman 69 How To Be "Poreis Al Shema"[Make Up Dvarim She'bikedusha When Coming Late]

this Torah class is brought to you by Torah anytime.com okay good morning everyone we continue in Mish and we are up to Simon Sak Tess we're up toat B in the mission B we're talking about the idea of being P ala and in the was commenting on that which says that if you have B if you have people that everybody and they didn't hear kades and they didn't hear K so what do you do so one of them could say kades and and the first that is called is a of that we only say part of it the says now the when you're being is not to say the whole all is is kades and that's it okay that's the opinion of the M if you remember from last week the argued on he says if 10 people flies away like we say if people bench separately they can then join in a muman and therefore Mish explained since it flies away even though they then join together they cannot afterwards uh say Kadesh and kadha and if and if they um they do if they do DAV again it's that's the opinion of the the brings it down the brings it down brings it down agrees with the that you can be says no is you cannot be okay that's what the the opinion of is that you cannot be but even the if you have one person who didn't D yet then theas would agree to the that you could be but the sil first he should say the whole in such a circumstance we don't say because why because he's not saying it for everyone he's saying he's daving for himself so since you have one person who didn't DAV yet it does not disturb being pus Al the same D would apply that one of the people who are ready could be for the person who is not so the bottom line is the says there's the agrees to the however the disputes this and the is to be like not to be as if everybody already daved unless somebody didn't DAV now let's see m what is you say you can't just be so you're first going to have to say and then you could be okay next um even though nowadays everyone is be in in the you don't need the according to what the is speaking about that everyone already made the other what's the inion of that being you you say the I understand kades because there's no way to Sayad unless somebody says I understand kadus but what's the inion of somebody saying why say you we know how to say it ourselves and we said it oursel the reason they say is not to anybody but is so that they do not appear like Heretics he's saying to them that they should be and no one is being because this is this is an idea that we've come across before that the is a command the command is bless hasem come on everybody bless so everyone says okay great we agree we should bless Hashem and now we're going to sit around and twiddle our thumbs and not bless hem B is a command that's the we we were discussing you know the Dilemma of daving in a fast Marv and you want to start Mar early and the thing is and you're going to answer let's say before sh but the just told you to bless hem you know I think under those circumstances you could still do it because you are blessing hem you still have some more to go you know when when the says bless is it only say the first or it's get going with the blessings of hem you know it's going on so of course it's better to do it in the in the regular way but anyway here's again we see beish this idea that is not a is not a command to say is a command to say fine the Miss continues that is going on the the says nowadays the is not to say the only says we hold this opinion holds that you don't seem like a heretic because the said bless I did I said since it's like what is the logic of that we say how do we see from that it's not necessary to make does make the say but the don't make a they just say but maybe the are with the of the so there at least the is making a here if you're going to eliminate no said at all but apparently when the is is it's not like he's anybody he's doing his own thing people answer aain to his okay let's see some say if let's say there is a group of people that missed Mar then you could be by you want to be by there's AES and then there's a but by AR there's no Kadesh before the obviously right because everybody knows the way Mar starts is straight up without anyes before even if everybody already daved on their own if there was someone who didn't could stand up before so imagine this guy the guy rolls in light he does a he does a that the people are going to stick around for he's going to start saying the first out loud to who says that otherwise you appear like a heretic and then he's going to tie everybody up to stick around for his entire to Sayes yeah lots of luck um but if he wants to he could say the Kadesh before fine but the Min is not because there's no Kadesh before the uh before says why isn't good enough just alone we're not so I want to point out something that everybody knows but I think it's worthwhile to point out for some if I were to ask you what's more important or bar what's more important Kadesh or bar I think in most people's minds even though they they if they think about it for a minute I think is more important most people's minds they think bar is more important not like instinctively you don't have to make the you know what about the Kad you know people maybe because there more of them so does m mean that you can't be cuz alone is not is not as important as or does it mean just is not as important as opposed if he had two things so now the says but many places they do say Kadesh before even though in some places they say if you and before now what about as opposed to in the morning that were more on um okay now what about says it has a ofak and if you if let's say you have a group of people that each separately and now they want to be P right let's say you're going on an airplane some people go on airplanes and you have 10 people you can't make a minion on the plane you get off the plane they didn't hear Kadesh they didn't hear bar so there's an inion of being what would that mean fores and the thing is you're not allowed to be we are not even though the says we do the says we don't and says like the we're not so bottom line does that mean if 10 people get off an airplane and nobody heard C you can't have a guy that's say let oh let's you're know to do it you know how to do it we don't do it if you have a guy who didn't D in that's why it's always good to have a guy a sleepy head on the trip who slept through the whole plane and he didn't ding yet so that guy through that guy he's he came down as a gilo to be a sleepy head to maaka all the people on the plane with uh with Kadesh okay V okay V after you finish so it sounds like these are people who already daved so they already daved you say the first three and then you so you say excuse me you don't do this with less than 10 people okay let's see the Miss ends off and the whole as well so that means it's not just the first three bras that are said but it's the whole see earlier from the that we hold that you don't you don't practice being unless you have a guy who yet that if you don't have six then the should not first quietly you should immediately start doing this out loud the whole reason of the repetition is for kadus so the bottom line is what do you do if you if you do have a guy who didn't D yet so we saw you could be par however the is saying that if you don't have six people who didn't D in then all that should be done is a if you do have six people who didn't it sounds like they could in a silent and then what's the reason why if you don't have six people who didn't D and you shouldn't D in a silent so the only reason you're repeating it really is for you say the first three that you would first say the silent and then you would say the repetition says this is called this is not really very common why we frequently are for those who come late after the silent before the why is this not M again what would he be doing kades why is this not commonly D because it sounds like they St it in after the silent before the I don't understand that so what they say twice they have to be careful when they gather on the entrance of the sh not to pass and walk in front of people ding but if it happened that they delayed coming until after daving then then they could do this whole procedure it sounds like what they used to do was in some kind of abbreviated form for the okay let's um read two more what sounds like they catch up yeah they don't not the not the but now they're caught up so that they can normally so what's not to do what to do to do with the BR of the first so what do they do they do kades they do they do but they don't do the the the uh first three Ras let's see the next two lines you want to try to find six people who did not hear thees meaning this procedure really should be for six people who did not D in with a minion you can't basically you can't do this procedure for one guy who didn't D now it's very interesting because we have a here the the and the say you could be even though everyone already daved and the opinion of sorry the opinion of the RAS is you can't do this procedure even if um if you have 10 people who daved individually because they already daved the M holds even though they daved already they you could do this procedure but it has to be you have at least six people that didn't dve in with a minion cuz if you have if you don't have six people didn't D with a minion you cannot do this procedure for uh five people who didn't D with a minion which is interesting because even the but if you have one guy who didn't DAV at all you could do this procedure but we're not talking about people didn't DAV at talking about people who daved but didn't DAV with a minion you could even do it one I will see more about this bam next time stay tuned for future scheduling okay everyone be well thank you very much you've just experienced another Torah class brought to you by Torah anytime.com